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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited August 2022
    Just pondering the police passport check I have just gone through at Belfast City Airport.

    Well I'll go to the foot of our Brexit stairs, I've never had one of those here before.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There is no logical reason why British Railways Plc should or could not exist, beyond pointless ideology.

    Clearly all of the EU countries and Japan have got it wrong. We know better, so we pay the French...

    Isn't loads of the memories of "Bad old BR" because boomers remember train travel in the 70s, and everything was a bit shit, beige and dull (Bar the music) in the 70s ?

    One of the quickest boomer identifiers "bad old days of BR"
    I'm not a boomer and I remember the 'bad old days of BR'.

    It is staff salaries and fare costs that get prioritised in a nationalised system, which give the unions a single point of leverage, and so service quality, infrastructure and rolling stock maintenance and renewal gets deprioritised.

    That's why the train service at my local station was shit up until the mid-1990s, with only one train every hour - and those dating back to the 1960s, and not infrequently they broke down - whilst the station itself was regularly unheated, flaking and falling to pieces. Surly staff too.

    Transport (outside major capital projects) tends to be near bottom of the list for central gov funding after health, education, pensions and the like, so I'd need some convincing that a nationalised system would be "better".

    TfL is fairly good because it gets a shed-ton of funding and passenger revenue, because it's in London.
    BR was really and genuinely shit. I can remember standing as a student on the forlorn platforms of Newport Station on a winter's day, waiting to change for the train to Hereford

    Newport in winter is never great, but being in a BR station in Newport in the 1980s was dystopian
    So BR was shit because you were waiting for a train connection in Newport in the Winter? What do you want, taxi ride? Maybe you should have paid for one then.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,452
    kle4 said:

    The Globe seems to have gone horribly Woke; its plays are basically unwatchable now:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/11/globe-theatre-makes-joan-arc-non-binary-new-play/

    Artistic director argues that ‘theatres do not deal with historical reality’

    Nothing wrong with that. It depends on the type of film/play you are making - an attempt at gritty realism would benefit from versimilitude as much as possible, but that is not always the intent.
    The thing is, and we all know this, that the history will be entirely incidental to the lecture they want to deliver on gender identity.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Leon said:

    ...

    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    I have just had to delay a picnic with friends, by several hours, because it is TOO HOT AND SUNNY

    This must literally be a first in the entire history of the United Kingdom

    Sean Thomas Knox has also had to delay a picnic.

    sean thomas knox
    @thomasknox
    ·
    3m
    Just had to delay a picnic with friends, by several hours, because it is TOO HOT AND SUNNY

    This must be a first in the entire history of the United Kingdom
    I find it a remarkable coincidence how often that sean thomas knox and Leon are doing the same things at the same time.

    Sean seemed to follow Leon across the world for 3 months continually yet they claim to have never been seen in the same room together....
    Maybe Knox is the friend that Leon was having his picnic with. Both singing from the same hymnsheet is the mark of a healthy and well organised friendship.
    I actually think I saw him in the dreamy mountains of Gnishik, Armenia, about a month ago. I was quite shaken. Of all the places, there?

    He claimed he was there on a spiritual journey to find himself

    He went to find himself, and he met you...
  • Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There is no logical reason why British Railways Plc should or could not exist, beyond pointless ideology.

    Clearly all of the EU countries and Japan have got it wrong. We know better, so we pay the French...

    Isn't loads of the memories of "Bad old BR" because boomers remember train travel in the 70s, and everything was a bit shit, beige and dull (Bar the music) in the 70s ?

    One of the quickest boomer identifiers "bad old days of BR"
    I'm not a boomer and I remember the 'bad old days of BR'.

    It is staff salaries and fare costs that get prioritised in a nationalised system, which give the unions a single point of leverage, and so service quality, infrastructure and rolling stock maintenance and renewal gets deprioritised.

    That's why the train service at my local station was shit up until the mid-1990s, with only one train every hour - and those dating back to the 1960s, and not infrequently they broke down - whilst the station itself was regularly unheated, flaking and falling to pieces. Surly staff too.

    Transport (outside major capital projects) tends to be near bottom of the list for central gov funding after health, education, pensions and the like, so I'd need some convincing that a nationalised system would be "better".

    TfL is fairly good because it gets a shed-ton of funding and passenger revenue, because it's in London.
    BR was really and genuinely shit. I can remember standing as a student on the forlorn platforms of Newport Station on a winter's day, waiting to change for the train to Hereford

    Newport in winter is never great, but being in a BR station in Newport in the 1980s was dystopian
    Until it wasn't genuinely shit. When you run the *only* profitable intercity railway in the world you are not shit.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    The Truss years (or weeks) are going to be spectacular.

    BoZo will seem like a sure hand on the tiller by comparison
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,838
    edited August 2022
    Deleted. Way too late. Hey ho.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    I have just had to delay a picnic with friends, by several hours, because it is TOO HOT AND SUNNY

    This must literally be a first in the entire history of the United Kingdom

    Have you forgotten the 40 degree heatwave? Pretty sure things were put off then too.
    I wrote a report on our cricket match last saturday, suggesting that the day was too nice to play cricket -24 deg, cloudless sky, glorious. Best enjoyed with a cool drink in the garden, not playing cricket.
    Clearly you're not playing village cricket correctly if there's a lack of crossover between those two activities.
    We were very happy to wrap up the win at least an hour early and head to the bar...


    (No idea why this is upside down, the pic is fine on the PC)


    Were you playing Australia?
    Congratulations, you are the third person to crack that joke.

    Soon it will be unbeerable.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072

    Whilst doing the hoovering earlier this morning, I ended up singing Adam Ant's "Prince Charming", but replacing all the lyrics with "Rishi Sunak" or "Rishi, Rishi Sunak".

    I thought it reasonably on-topic to mention this :lol:

    If only you'd sung it to him a few weeks ago.
    ...Don't you ever, don't you ever
    Lower yourself, forgetting all your standards...
  • Scott_xP said:

    The Truss years (or weeks) are going to be spectacular.

    BoZo will seem like a sure hand on the tiller by comparison

    No other incoming PM will have had such an array of massive problrms....or maybe any suggestions from the past?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,838
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    I have just had to delay a picnic with friends, by several hours, because it is TOO HOT AND SUNNY

    This must literally be a first in the entire history of the United Kingdom

    Have you forgotten the 40 degree heatwave? Pretty sure things were put off then too.
    I wrote a report on our cricket match last saturday, suggesting that the day was too nice to play cricket -24 deg, cloudless sky, glorious. Best enjoyed with a cool drink in the garden, not playing cricket.
    Clearly you're not playing village cricket correctly if there's a lack of crossover between those two activities.
    We were very happy to wrap up the win at least an hour early and head to the bar...


    (No idea why this is upside down, the pic is fine on the PC)


    Were you playing Australia?
    Congratulations, you are the third person to crack that joke.

    Soon it will be unbeerable.
    I have withdrawn my entry from the fray.
  • Oh we're back to wokeism destroying the world.

    Byeeeee
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,838

    Scott_xP said:

    The Truss years (or weeks) are going to be spectacular.

    BoZo will seem like a sure hand on the tiller by comparison

    No other incoming PM will have had such an array of massive problrms....or maybe any suggestions from the past?
    The Coaltion government faced at least as bad an intray, arguably worse.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,452

    For clarity, I'm not a "nationalisation=good, privatisation=bad" person by default. Nor vice versa (although, to be fair, I tend to lean more towards the privatisation aspect due to the possibility of capital influx, competition raising standards, and making it more arms-length from the Government on a day-to-day basis).

    But water, after an encouraging start, has stalled and looks like failing. Nationalise.
    Rail - I remain to be convinced. Some of the private companies are crap. BR was crap. Looks to me like we need to pinpoint where the source of crapness is first.
    Energy - to be honest, the fact I'm with Octopus makes me think it could work. Maybe more engagement needed, but the fact that Octopus do seem to lean over backwards to make sure I'm on the best tariff (and I looked at there "Join Octopus" page recently, where their entire landing page consists of:

    YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS:

    Energy prices are at record highs, and most homes will be better off staying with their current energy supplier right now.

    If your fixed term is coming to an end, don't choose a new tariff or switch supplier.

    Instead, let your supplier automatically move you to their default tariff, so your prices are protected by the Government's Energy Price Cap.

    Would you like an email when prices fall?
    "

    And then, at the bottom, in smaller text

    "I've read and understood the above, and I would still like a quote to switch to Octopus"

    To me, that's really good behaviour, and they've been brilliant at smart-meter rollout with real incentives for the consumer (I have an EV tariff where I get really cheap electricity for 5 hours overnight and set the car up to charge only then). That sort of thing is exactly what privatisation is for - it's just a shame most companies aren't like that.

    Telecoms, road haulage, buses, travel agencies, aviation, parcel delivery services and car manufacturing have all been successful privatisations, IMHO. We wouldn't want to go back.

    I'd argue energy and gas has, including distribution; they are more efficient & responsive than when nationalised and deliver many private pension holders a good return through their funds.

    Railways are more ambiguous but I'd also argue is better quality now, with more investment.

    Water has been no better than when nationalised. I'm not sure about sewerage and waste either. There are some barking ideas about privatising all roads and parks as well.

    There are other, like the NHS, dentistry and social care, where there isn't enough non-state provision but it needs to be socially facilitated by the state.
  • ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    I have just had to delay a picnic with friends, by several hours, because it is TOO HOT AND SUNNY

    This must literally be a first in the entire history of the United Kingdom

    Have you forgotten the 40 degree heatwave? Pretty sure things were put off then too.
    I wrote a report on our cricket match last saturday, suggesting that the day was too nice to play cricket -24 deg, cloudless sky, glorious. Best enjoyed with a cool drink in the garden, not playing cricket.
    Clearly you're not playing village cricket correctly if there's a lack of crossover between those two activities.
    We were very happy to wrap up the win at least an hour early and head to the bar...


    (No idea why this is upside down, the pic is fine on the PC)


    Were you playing Australia?
    Congratulations, you are the third person to crack that joke.

    Soon it will be unbeerable.
    I hear you don't like cricket, oh no ...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    I have just had to delay a picnic with friends, by several hours, because it is TOO HOT AND SUNNY

    This must literally be a first in the entire history of the United Kingdom

    Have you forgotten the 40 degree heatwave? Pretty sure things were put off then too.
    I wrote a report on our cricket match last saturday, suggesting that the day was too nice to play cricket -24 deg, cloudless sky, glorious. Best enjoyed with a cool drink in the garden, not playing cricket.
    Clearly you're not playing village cricket correctly if there's a lack of crossover between those two activities.
    We were very happy to wrap up the win at least an hour early and head to the bar...


    (No idea why this is upside down, the pic is fine on the PC)


    Were you playing Australia?
    Congratulations, you are the third person to crack that joke.

    Soon it will be unbeerable.
    I have withdrawn my entry from the fray.
    Good, because it was a less than Stella performance.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Oh we're back to wokeism destroying the world.

    Byeeeee

    Why? Have you destroyed us all?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Truss years (or weeks) are going to be spectacular.

    BoZo will seem like a sure hand on the tiller by comparison

    No other incoming PM will have had such an array of massive problrms....or maybe any suggestions from the past?
    The Coaltion government faced at least as bad an intray, arguably worse.
    You are joking aren't you ?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited August 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    The Truss years (or weeks) are going to be spectacular.

    BoZo will seem like a sure hand on the tiller by comparison

    No other incoming PM will have had such an array of massive problrms....or maybe any suggestions from the past?
    Attlee, Churchill and Lloyd George would like a word here.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    On the energy stuff, what I'd really like to see from Labour is some kind of "Challenge 2027" or something along those lines to 5x our current renewable energy generation by the end of 2027. 5 years for 5x. This problem needs the full weight of government, industry and science. Not just hoping that private companies with no interest in increasing energy supply will magically invest money to increase energy supply and reduce their arbitration profits.

    Yes, this would be a way of building on one of the successes of the pandemic - the ventilator challenge. Have the same sort of thing, but for renewable energy supply.
    A good end, but the problem isn't really technology is it? There's a lot we can do pretty cheaply now with solar and wind, keeping gas for backup when neither works. The problem is more about persuading people (including would-be Prime Ministers, ahem) to stop coming up with dumb objections.
    We knew how to make medical ventilators before the ventilator challenge, but we didn't know how to make them quickly.

    I expect there's lots that can be done to speed up the installation of new turbines, grid infrastructure, storage, etc, on both a technical and administrative level.
    Yes, it's almost like a wartime effort. That's the situation I think we're in but no one's realised it yet. If we don't act today to start rapidly increasing renewable energy generation then the next 10 years we will be faced with economic ruin as industry simply shuts down every winter so homes can be heated.
    Lots of people seem to be assuming (gambling) that this is just a blip because of the war in Ukraine, and that in a year or two we will be back to more normal prices. But what if we are not? I think you are right to suggest this grand challenge.

    I just don't expect our political leaders to do it.
    It’s a win-win. In the long term, we need to move to zero-carbon energy sources, so if this is just a Ukraine-related blip, we’ve still made valuable progress moving towards that goal. And if it’s more than a blip, thank heavens we’ve increased supply this way.

    Someone (Anrew Cuomo?) punctuated his Covid briefings with "we know what to do, we just need to do it". The same thing is happinging with energy transitions. Most of the science/engineering problems are sufficiently solved; the systems are cheap enough, efficient enough, simple enough to install. Gains from here are incremental, not factors of ten.

    The limiting steps are the political ones. Truss doesn't like solar farms, because reasons. Onshore wind farms stopped under Cameron, because the public was "fed up" with them. Our homes are largely still badly insulated because... well, I'm not sure why. (I'm just as bad. When we moved here a decade ago, all the windows were single-glazed; we are getting the last ones replaced next month but should have done it long before.)

    It would be lovely to treat energy transition as a science problem, because they are relatively easy. Political mindset problems... oh dear.
    I don't get the dislike of wind turbines. Personally, I like them. Coming down the A420, rounding the corner and seeing the Watchfield Wind Farm come into view made me think, "nearly home."

    In fact: wind turbine? Big fan.
    Wind farms aren't great if you see too many at once.

    They're fine if they take it in turns.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    edited August 2022
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    There are also independent living Housing Association flats for the over 55's (sometimes 50), which are purpose built.
    With communal wardens, social facilities, laundry, gardens and the like. Which takes away many of the day-to-day problems of maintenance and provide company and support.
    We need more of them (and private ones too obviously).
    The stigma is of being moved into a "care home". But these places aren't. You just rent or own a manageable sized property in a building with peers. If we could somehow get folk to want to live in these (and it wouldn't suit everyone), it would free up a lot of housing capacity.

    I'll have a teenager when I'm 55 lol
    58
    I'm 60, soon to be 61, and my son has not long had his 19th birthday. Contrary to all the wailing and moaning on here I think having a young child in the house kept us young too. I really miss it and want my daughters to start producing grandkids for me to play with and watch cartoons with. Young kids are delightful. Teenagers are harder work but its just a phase and they turn human again in time.
    No one is moaning about your situation. You had a child at 41, I had mine at 44-45, that's a fine age to be a parent, you're still young enough to physically interact, and yet old enough to have some wisdom (and provide security)

    I started this chat by talking about a French friend of mine who has had a baby age 57. And bitterly regrets it. 57 is very old to start parenting again
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    I have just had to delay a picnic with friends, by several hours, because it is TOO HOT AND SUNNY

    This must literally be a first in the entire history of the United Kingdom

    Have you forgotten the 40 degree heatwave? Pretty sure things were put off then too.
    I wrote a report on our cricket match last saturday, suggesting that the day was too nice to play cricket -24 deg, cloudless sky, glorious. Best enjoyed with a cool drink in the garden, not playing cricket.
    Clearly you're not playing village cricket correctly if there's a lack of crossover between those two activities.
    We were very happy to wrap up the win at least an hour early and head to the bar...


    (No idea why this is upside down, the pic is fine on the PC)

    For a spy message, that sure beats chalking a mark on the back of a roadsign!

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,838
    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There is no logical reason why British Railways Plc should or could not exist, beyond pointless ideology.

    Clearly all of the EU countries and Japan have got it wrong. We know better, so we pay the French...

    Isn't loads of the memories of "Bad old BR" because boomers remember train travel in the 70s, and everything was a bit shit, beige and dull (Bar the music) in the 70s ?

    One of the quickest boomer identifiers "bad old days of BR"
    I'm not a boomer and I remember the 'bad old days of BR'.

    It is staff salaries and fare costs that get prioritised in a nationalised system, which give the unions a single point of leverage, and so service quality, infrastructure and rolling stock maintenance and renewal gets deprioritised.

    That's why the train service at my local station was shit up until the mid-1990s, with only one train every hour - and those dating back to the 1960s, and not infrequently they broke down - whilst the station itself was regularly unheated, flaking and falling to pieces. Surly staff too.

    Transport (outside major capital projects) tends to be near bottom of the list for central gov funding after health, education, pensions and the like, so I'd need some convincing that a nationalised system would be "better".

    TfL is fairly good because it gets a shed-ton of funding and passenger revenue, because it's in London.
    BR was really and genuinely shit. I can remember standing as a student on the forlorn platforms of Newport Station on a winter's day, waiting to change for the train to Hereford

    Newport in winter is never great, but being in a BR station in Newport in the 1980s was dystopian
    So BR was shit because you were waiting for a train connection in Newport in the Winter? What do you want, taxi ride? Maybe you should have paid for one then.
    lol. Are you actually ANGRY because I am criticising a Welsh railway station in the 1980s?

    I know PB can get angry about anything, but this might be a new peak
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    Selebian said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    On the energy stuff, what I'd really like to see from Labour is some kind of "Challenge 2027" or something along those lines to 5x our current renewable energy generation by the end of 2027. 5 years for 5x. This problem needs the full weight of government, industry and science. Not just hoping that private companies with no interest in increasing energy supply will magically invest money to increase energy supply and reduce their arbitration profits.

    Yes, this would be a way of building on one of the successes of the pandemic - the ventilator challenge. Have the same sort of thing, but for renewable energy supply.
    A good end, but the problem isn't really technology is it? There's a lot we can do pretty cheaply now with solar and wind, keeping gas for backup when neither works. The problem is more about persuading people (including would-be Prime Ministers, ahem) to stop coming up with dumb objections.
    We knew how to make medical ventilators before the ventilator challenge, but we didn't know how to make them quickly.

    I expect there's lots that can be done to speed up the installation of new turbines, grid infrastructure, storage, etc, on both a technical and administrative level.
    Yes, it's almost like a wartime effort. That's the situation I think we're in but no one's realised it yet. If we don't act today to start rapidly increasing renewable energy generation then the next 10 years we will be faced with economic ruin as industry simply shuts down every winter so homes can be heated.
    Lots of people seem to be assuming (gambling) that this is just a blip because of the war in Ukraine, and that in a year or two we will be back to more normal prices. But what if we are not? I think you are right to suggest this grand challenge.

    I just don't expect our political leaders to do it.
    It’s a win-win. In the long term, we need to move to zero-carbon energy sources, so if this is just a Ukraine-related blip, we’ve still made valuable progress moving towards that goal. And if it’s more than a blip, thank heavens we’ve increased supply this way.

    Someone (Anrew Cuomo?) punctuated his Covid briefings with "we know what to do, we just need to do it". The same thing is happinging with energy transitions. Most of the science/engineering problems are sufficiently solved; the systems are cheap enough, efficient enough, simple enough to install. Gains from here are incremental, not factors of ten.

    The limiting steps are the political ones. Truss doesn't like solar farms, because reasons. Onshore wind farms stopped under Cameron, because the public was "fed up" with them. Our homes are largely still badly insulated because... well, I'm not sure why. (I'm just as bad. When we moved here a decade ago, all the windows were single-glazed; we are getting the last ones replaced next month but should have done it long before.)

    It would be lovely to treat energy transition as a science problem, because they are relatively easy. Political mindset problems... oh dear.
    It’s like how the government still funds lots of research on smoking cessation, but we don’t need (much) more research,* we need policy action.

    * Obviously, more research is always good and keeps my mates employed. There are issues that are newer, e.g. around vaping, that require research. But we know how to get people to quit smoking.

    I'm yet to read a scientific paper that concludes: "So, we've sorted this. No further research is needed." :wink:
    Then you must have missed the many many studies which have concluded: "Covid came from the market. That's it. Job done. Don't even think about the lab. Debate over"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    Another place that will have a nasty knock-on effect is student loans, where some of them have interest charged at the rate of inflation.

    I might look to clear the remainder of mine if I can earn enough this year.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813

    For clarity, I'm not a "nationalisation=good, privatisation=bad" person by default. Nor vice versa (although, to be fair, I tend to lean more towards the privatisation aspect due to the possibility of capital influx, competition raising standards, and making it more arms-length from the Government on a day-to-day basis).

    But water, after an encouraging start, has stalled and looks like failing. Nationalise.
    Rail - I remain to be convinced. Some of the private companies are crap. BR was crap. Looks to me like we need to pinpoint where the source of crapness is first.
    Energy - to be honest, the fact I'm with Octopus makes me think it could work. Maybe more engagement needed, but the fact that Octopus do seem to lean over backwards to make sure I'm on the best tariff (and I looked at there "Join Octopus" page recently, where their entire landing page consists of:

    YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS:

    Energy prices are at record highs, and most homes will be better off staying with their current energy supplier right now.

    If your fixed term is coming to an end, don't choose a new tariff or switch supplier.

    Instead, let your supplier automatically move you to their default tariff, so your prices are protected by the Government's Energy Price Cap.

    Would you like an email when prices fall?
    "

    And then, at the bottom, in smaller text

    "I've read and understood the above, and I would still like a quote to switch to Octopus"

    To me, that's really good behaviour, and they've been brilliant at smart-meter rollout with real incentives for the consumer (I have an EV tariff where I get really cheap electricity for 5 hours overnight and set the car up to charge only then). That sort of thing is exactly what privatisation is for - it's just a shame most companies aren't like that.

    just think cooperatives (worker or consumer) are the best option for a lot of these services - do people complain about bad service much at building societies or the Co-op or John Lewis? No , do they with a lot of public sector services like the passport office or the NHS or the local bloody council? yes

    Remind us what happened at the Co-Op bank.
    And Credit Unions sometimes go bust.

    well they do but i doubt more often than private enterprises . Things go bust and are taken over , its an incentive knowing that to properly manage an organisation whether a cooperative or a private company. The difference is cooperatives are owned by their customers (or sometimes the workers) so when they do go bust its not generally outside forces that can be blamed - the main aim of organisations is to provide good services or goods -some will go bust , thats ok that provides the motivation to manage it well
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,838
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    There are also independent living Housing Association flats for the over 55's (sometimes 50), which are purpose built.
    With communal wardens, social facilities, laundry, gardens and the like. Which takes away many of the day-to-day problems of maintenance and provide company and support.
    We need more of them (and private ones too obviously).
    The stigma is of being moved into a "care home". But these places aren't. You just rent or own a manageable sized property in a building with peers. If we could somehow get folk to want to live in these (and it wouldn't suit everyone), it would free up a lot of housing capacity.

    I'll have a teenager when I'm 55 lol
    58
    I'm 60, soon to be 61, and my son has not long had his 19th birthday. Contrary to all the wailing and moaning on here I think having a young child in the house kept us young too. I really miss it and want my daughters to start producing grandkids for me to play with and watch cartoons with. Young kids are delightful. Teenagers are harder work but its just a phase and they turn human again in time.
    No one is moaning about your situation. You had a child at 41, I had mine at 44-45, that's a fine age to be a parent, you're still young enough to physically interact, and yet old enough to have some wisdom (and provide security)

    I started this chat by talking about a French friend of mine who has had a baby age 57. And bitterly regrets it. 57 is very old to start parenting again
    Yes, at that age you really should be grandparenting, when you get to give them back at the end of the sugar high.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,452

    Oh we're back to wokeism destroying the world.

    Byeeeee

    Bye, it's a subject you just can't handle - because you're smart, and you know there really might be something it it - so rather than deal with deep-seated prejudices that you've never really thought through, because you believe define your "values", you either aggressively dismiss it or run away from it.

    And, no, this isn't me being condescending or patronising, it's just my fair analysis of what's going on.

    Think about it.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,383
    Foxy said:

    Rather bizarre accusation by Truss seems to have annoyed the CS.

    https://twitter.com/FDAGenSec/status/1558046635233628161?t=0Y9OemilQYMn1BJy6nFT3g&s=19

    It's not a bizarre accusation, really.
    It's a gratuitously offensive accusation.
    She needs, quickly, to come up with evidence of CS anti-semitism, or retract and apologise.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    Another place that will have a nasty knock-on effect is student loans, where some of them have interest charged at the rate of inflation.

    I might look to clear the remainder of mine if I can earn enough this year.
    You have a student loan at your age?!

    Sorry - just startled: that really drives it home.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There is no logical reason why British Railways Plc should or could not exist, beyond pointless ideology.

    Clearly all of the EU countries and Japan have got it wrong. We know better, so we pay the French...

    Isn't loads of the memories of "Bad old BR" because boomers remember train travel in the 70s, and everything was a bit shit, beige and dull (Bar the music) in the 70s ?

    One of the quickest boomer identifiers "bad old days of BR"
    I'm not a boomer and I remember the 'bad old days of BR'.

    It is staff salaries and fare costs that get prioritised in a nationalised system, which give the unions a single point of leverage, and so service quality, infrastructure and rolling stock maintenance and renewal gets deprioritised.

    That's why the train service at my local station was shit up until the mid-1990s, with only one train every hour - and those dating back to the 1960s, and not infrequently they broke down - whilst the station itself was regularly unheated, flaking and falling to pieces. Surly staff too.

    Transport (outside major capital projects) tends to be near bottom of the list for central gov funding after health, education, pensions and the like, so I'd need some convincing that a nationalised system would be "better".

    TfL is fairly good because it gets a shed-ton of funding and passenger revenue, because it's in London.
    BR was really and genuinely shit. I can remember standing as a student on the forlorn platforms of Newport Station on a winter's day, waiting to change for the train to Hereford

    Newport in winter is never great, but being in a BR station in Newport in the 1980s was dystopian
    Until it wasn't genuinely shit. When you run the *only* profitable intercity railway in the world you are not shit.
    Some of what BR did was very good. Other bits... not so. There was a management mindset of managing decline; 'improvements' were often seen as things like singling lines or reducing the number of services.

    If BR had continued past 1994/7, I do wonder if we would had ended up with a similar structure to the ones we are heading towards post-Hendry. Sectorisation was just the start...
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    Another place that will have a nasty knock-on effect is student loans, where some of them have interest charged at the rate of inflation.

    I might look to clear the remainder of mine if I can earn enough this year.
    i think its been capped at about 6% ?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Presumably Truss has been misinterpreted regarding her comments on energy companies?

    Liz Truss is in Gloucestershire

    She says: "We need to get on with delivering the small modular nuclear reactors which we produce HERE IN DERBYSHIRE"

    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1557805805264674819
    So she meant HERE as the UK?

    And?
    Here as in Derbyshire. It's a direct quotation.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/truss-sunak-conservative-hustings-derbyshire-b2143431.html

    And they aren't in production yet, I believe, either.

    Edit: Not even approved as of a few months ago. Unlikely to be producing power till well after Ms Truss is out of power, in more senses than one.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/rolls-royce-expecting-uk-approval-mini-nuclear-reactor-by-mid-2024-2022-04-19/

    Rather a disconnect from reality.
    It doesn't matter if it's a direct quotation. Truss has used this line in hustings wherever she's been, whether in London, etc.. She means - 'are made here (in the UK), in Derbyshire.' To my recollection she hasn't even visited Derbyshire during the campaign. It may be an inelegant way to say it, but it's not a mistake, and it's typically pathetic of Twitter to try to make something of it.
    Not in Twitter, but the Independent. And it's a mistake if it is ambiguous - you can't read a comma aloud.

    But the nukes thing is what worries me more.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    Another place that will have a nasty knock-on effect is student loans, where some of them have interest charged at the rate of inflation.

    I might look to clear the remainder of mine if I can earn enough this year.
    You have a student loan at your age?!

    Sorry - just startled: that really drives it home.
    Remember that as I spent many years as a postgrad it was some time before I started paying it off.
  • Betfair next prime minister
    1.11 Liz Truss 90%
    9.6 Rishi Sunak 10%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.11 Liz Truss 90%
    9.4 Rishi Sunak 11%

    Slight drift on Rishi.

    Betfair next prime minister
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  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Oh we're back to wokeism destroying the world.

    Byeeeee

    Bye, it's a subject you just can't handle - because you're smart, and you know there really might be something it it - so rather than deal with deep-seated prejudices that you've never really thought through, because you believe define your "values", you either aggressively dismiss it or run away from it.

    And, no, this isn't me being condescending or patronising, it's just my fair analysis of what's going on.

    Think about it.
    You get agitated by people wearing rainbow lanyards

    Think about it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    There are also independent living Housing Association flats for the over 55's (sometimes 50), which are purpose built.
    With communal wardens, social facilities, laundry, gardens and the like. Which takes away many of the day-to-day problems of maintenance and provide company and support.
    We need more of them (and private ones too obviously).
    The stigma is of being moved into a "care home". But these places aren't. You just rent or own a manageable sized property in a building with peers. If we could somehow get folk to want to live in these (and it wouldn't suit everyone), it would free up a lot of housing capacity.

    I'll have a teenager when I'm 55 lol
    58
    I'm 60, soon to be 61, and my son has not long had his 19th birthday. Contrary to all the wailing and moaning on here I think having a young child in the house kept us young too. I really miss it and want my daughters to start producing grandkids for me to play with and watch cartoons with. Young kids are delightful. Teenagers are harder work but its just a phase and they turn human again in time.
    No one is moaning about your situation. You had a child at 41, I had mine at 44-45, that's a fine age to be a parent, you're still young enough to physically interact, and yet old enough to have some wisdom (and provide security)

    I started this chat by talking about a French friend of mine who has had a baby age 57. And bitterly regrets it. 57 is very old to start parenting again
    Yes, at that age you really should be grandparenting, when you get to give them back at the end of the sugar high.
    Yes, his big gripe was the sheer exhaustion. He said "I just can't hack it, the lack of sleep, the endless picking up, I'm too old". He sounded a little desperate

    I cannot imagine going through that again. I told him it will get better, as it does; but of course he knows this (he's been a dad before) and it didn't really help. It's quite hard to console someone who rationally believes they have made a terrible mistake
  • In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    Another place that will have a nasty knock-on effect is student loans, where some of them have interest charged at the rate of inflation.

    I might look to clear the remainder of mine if I can earn enough this year.
    You have a student loan at your age?!

    Sorry - just startled: that really drives it home.
    Remember that as I spent many years as a postgrad it was some time before I started paying it off.
    Yep, they began quite a long time ago of course (but after my time). It hadn't quite dawned on me it's not just the twenty-somethings it affects. Which, of course, makes the political salience of the usury all the more important.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,838
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Truss years (or weeks) are going to be spectacular.

    BoZo will seem like a sure hand on the tiller by comparison

    No other incoming PM will have had such an array of massive problrms....or maybe any suggestions from the past?
    The Coaltion government faced at least as bad an intray, arguably worse.
    You are joking aren't you ?
    Absolutely not. I really don't think people appreciate how close to the edge we were in 2008-2010, not just in the UK but throughout the west. We had also kicked out a government that had failed to have a spending review, who had given open ended and unaffordable largesse to the populatiion by way of election bribes and we had to make a Coalition work, something that this country had very little experience of. The government really did need to both increase taxes and decrease spending year after year carefully running the line between modest growth and acutal recession as they tried to repair the mess.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    Another place that will have a nasty knock-on effect is student loans, where some of them have interest charged at the rate of inflation.

    I might look to clear the remainder of mine if I can earn enough this year.
    i think its been capped at about 6% ?
    Depends on the loan.

    Mine, for example, is whichever is lower of the RPI in March or the base rate +1%.

    If rates rise rapidly, which I think they'll have to, that could be rather painful.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    anyone in authority would have to say they believe inflation has peaked or will soon go away because the alternative is to say it will not and then everyone will panic buy, empty bank accounts and go on strike or leave jobs - That is not to say that inflation will be a problem in 5 years but it is to say dont believe anyone in authority about it because they may be logicially lying.

    Same with if an asteroid is to hit earth, if this is known by government it will almost certianly not say and try and keep secret. - That is not to say an asteroid will hit earth soon but donr think it will not because the government have not said it will
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    I have just had to delay a picnic with friends, by several hours, because it is TOO HOT AND SUNNY

    This must literally be a first in the entire history of the United Kingdom

    Have you forgotten the 40 degree heatwave? Pretty sure things were put off then too.
    I wrote a report on our cricket match last saturday, suggesting that the day was too nice to play cricket -24 deg, cloudless sky, glorious. Best enjoyed with a cool drink in the garden, not playing cricket.
    Clearly you're not playing village cricket correctly if there's a lack of crossover between those two activities.
    We were very happy to wrap up the win at least an hour early and head to the bar...


    (No idea why this is upside down, the pic is fine on the PC)


    Were you playing Australia?
    Congratulations, you are the third person to crack that joke.

    Soon it will be unbeerable.
    I hear you don't like cricket, oh no ...
    Well, cricket doesn't like me right now. Every time I check the score, Gloucestershire lose another wicket.

    As well I'm so busy from 2 till 7 I won't have time to!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,838
    edited August 2022
    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    What was the name of the TV series about Elizabeth that you were recommending? I was trying to find it last nght with no success.

    Edit, btw, when you look at her speech at Tilbury it really is nonsense

    "I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too, and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realm; to which rather than any dishonour shall grow by me, I myself will take up arms, I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder of every one of your virtues in the field."
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,963
    edited August 2022

    Foxy said:

    Rather bizarre accusation by Truss seems to have annoyed the CS.

    https://twitter.com/FDAGenSec/status/1558046635233628161?t=0Y9OemilQYMn1BJy6nFT3g&s=19

    It's not a bizarre accusation, really.
    It's a gratuitously offensive accusation.
    She needs, quickly, to come up with evidence of CS anti-semitism, or retract and apologise.
    Feck, just read the tweet and the original accusation. Truss really is a smouldering bin fire waiting to spring into life.

    Regardless of the performative wailing about dangerous Corbyn, he never actually was PM or close, she's odds on to be in No 10 shortly.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    edited August 2022
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    What was the name of the TV series about Elizabeth that you were recommending? I was trying to find it last nght with no success.
    BECOMING ELIZABETH


    Really good. Definitely not Woke. Erotic and dark


    it is superbly cast, as well. The young woman who plays the young Elizabeth is brilliant
  • Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    Joan of Arc too!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11105319/Backlash-grows-against-Shakespeares-Globe-Theatre-new-play-depicting-Joan-Arc-non-binary.html
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    Pulpstar said:

    Monday's forecast looks glorious. Never thought I'd want to see the rain so much in the summer.

    Yes this is really something this bone dryness.

    I've just had a drink at a pub overlooking what we have to call Richmond Brown.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    Another place that will have a nasty knock-on effect is student loans, where some of them have interest charged at the rate of inflation.

    I might look to clear the remainder of mine if I can earn enough this year.
    You have a student loan at your age?!

    Sorry - just startled: that really drives it home.
    Yes, people forget they go back to the days of new labour and Blair.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    Joan of Arc too!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11105319/Backlash-grows-against-Shakespeares-Globe-Theatre-new-play-depicting-Joan-Arc-non-binary.html
    TBF there was some question of her assigned gender etc back in the 14-wotsits - male dress and all that at a time when they took male/female dress codes very seriously.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    What was the name of the TV series about Elizabeth that you were recommending? I was trying to find it last nght with no success.

    Edit, btw, when you look at her speech at Tilbury it really is nonsense

    "I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too, and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realm; to which rather than any dishonour shall grow by me, I myself will take up arms, I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder of every one of your virtues in the field."
    Also, THAT speech at Tilbury. Quite magnificent. What a woman

    It gives you tingles simply by reading it, almost 500 years later. Amazing
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Truss years (or weeks) are going to be spectacular.

    BoZo will seem like a sure hand on the tiller by comparison

    No other incoming PM will have had such an array of massive problrms....or maybe any suggestions from the past?
    The Coaltion government faced at least as bad an intray, arguably worse.
    You are joking aren't you ?
    Absolutely not. I really don't think people appreciate how close to the edge we were in 2008-2010, not just in the UK but throughout the west. We had also kicked out a government that had failed to have a spending review, who had given open ended and unaffordable largesse to the populatiion by way of election bribes and we had to make a Coalition work, something that this country had very little experience of. The government really did need to both increase taxes and decrease spending year after year carefully running the line between modest growth and acutal recession as they tried to repair the mess.
    With respect I think you're talking absolute mince. We're in a far worse position now than 2010.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Truss years (or weeks) are going to be spectacular.

    BoZo will seem like a sure hand on the tiller by comparison

    No other incoming PM will have had such an array of massive problrms....or maybe any suggestions from the past?
    The Coaltion government faced at least as bad an intray, arguably worse.
    You are joking aren't you ?
    Absolutely not. I really don't think people appreciate how close to the edge we were in 2008-2010, not just in the UK but throughout the west. We had also kicked out a government that had failed to have a spending review, who had given open ended and unaffordable largesse to the populatiion by way of election bribes and we had to make a Coalition work, something that this country had very little experience of. The government really did need to both increase taxes and decrease spending year after year carefully running the line between modest growth and acutal recession as they tried to repair the mess.
    With respect I think you're talking absolute mince. We're in a far worse position now than 2010.
    I am afraid I must agree

    2008 was pretty grim for many people, but what we face now is that times twenty, or a hundred. We have similar recessions looming, plus much bigger debts, plus the tail end of a global plague, plus a horrible war in Europe, plus a brutal energy crisis, plus an apparent speeding of climate change, plus a number of countries in deep trouble around the world (Sri Lanka, etc) the list is dark and endless

    It's difficult to believe as I stare out at a sunny, happy London, but the world is likely in the most perilous position since WW2
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    They do it deliberately just to wind you up Leon.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405

    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    Joan of Arc too!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11105319/Backlash-grows-against-Shakespeares-Globe-Theatre-new-play-depicting-Joan-Arc-non-binary.html
    I can’t say this bothers me at all. Or that black woman playing Ann Boleyn (great stunt casting to get publicity for the show) or anything along these lines. These are dramas not documentaries and creatives should be able to interpret how they want.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...
    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    Another place that will have a nasty knock-on effect is student loans, where some of them have interest charged at the rate of inflation.

    I might look to clear the remainder of mine if I can earn enough this year.
    You have a student loan at your age?!

    Sorry - just startled: that really drives it home.
    Yes, people forget they go back to the days of new labour and Blair.
    They came in before 1997. Charging students for courses was granted a New Labour project capped at £3500 p a I believe.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,838
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    Another place that will have a nasty knock-on effect is student loans, where some of them have interest charged at the rate of inflation.

    I might look to clear the remainder of mine if I can earn enough this year.
    I thought you were giving up your employment this coming year? I vaguely recall you saying that now that the Gove reforms are fully bedded in the job just wasn't challenging anymore and you were going on to pastures new with gratitude to the DFE for all its efforts (of course I was reading between the lines a bit to get what you really meant)?
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    The person who wrote that blurb doesn't seem very skilled (excuse the litotes) at using the words "strategy", "role", and "identity".

    Queen Elizabeth I had hundreds of women judicially murdered for "witchcraft".

    On a lighter note, I wonder what Michael Fawcett will think if Loony Boy ascends the throne and then adopts a similar approach?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There is no logical reason why British Railways Plc should or could not exist, beyond pointless ideology.

    Clearly all of the EU countries and Japan have got it wrong. We know better, so we pay the French...

    Isn't loads of the memories of "Bad old BR" because boomers remember train travel in the 70s, and everything was a bit shit, beige and dull (Bar the music) in the 70s ?

    One of the quickest boomer identifiers "bad old days of BR"
    I'm not a boomer and I remember the 'bad old days of BR'.

    It is staff salaries and fare costs that get prioritised in a nationalised system, which give the unions a single point of leverage, and so service quality, infrastructure and rolling stock maintenance and renewal gets deprioritised.

    That's why the train service at my local station was shit up until the mid-1990s, with only one train every hour - and those dating back to the 1960s, and not infrequently they broke down - whilst the station itself was regularly unheated, flaking and falling to pieces. Surly staff too.

    Transport (outside major capital projects) tends to be near bottom of the list for central gov funding after health, education, pensions and the like, so I'd need some convincing that a nationalised system would be "better".

    TfL is fairly good because it gets a shed-ton of funding and passenger revenue, because it's in London.
    BR was really and genuinely shit. I can remember standing as a student on the forlorn platforms of Newport Station on a winter's day, waiting to change for the train to Hereford

    Newport in winter is never great, but being in a BR station in Newport in the 1980s was dystopian
    So BR was shit because you were waiting for a train connection in Newport in the Winter? What do you want, taxi ride? Maybe you should have paid for one then.
    lol. Are you actually ANGRY because I am criticising a Welsh railway station in the 1980s?

    I know PB can get angry about anything, but this might be a new peak
    No, I'm just wondering why you're criticising BR for having to change at Newport in the Winter.

  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Truss years (or weeks) are going to be spectacular.

    BoZo will seem like a sure hand on the tiller by comparison

    No other incoming PM will have had such an array of massive problrms....or maybe any suggestions from the past?
    The Coaltion government faced at least as bad an intray, arguably worse.
    You are joking aren't you ?
    Absolutely not. I really don't think people appreciate how close to the edge we were in 2008-2010, not just in the UK but throughout the west. We had also kicked out a government that had failed to have a spending review, who had given open ended and unaffordable largesse to the populatiion by way of election bribes and we had to make a Coalition work, something that this country had very little experience of. The government really did need to both increase taxes and decrease spending year after year carefully running the line between modest growth and acutal recession as they tried to repair the mess.
    With respect I think you're talking absolute mince. We're in a far worse position now than 2010.
    I am afraid I must agree

    2008 was pretty grim for many people, but what we face now is that times twenty, or a hundred. We have similar recessions looming, plus much bigger debts, plus the tail end of a global plague, plus a horrible war in Europe, plus a brutal energy crisis, plus an apparent speeding of climate change, plus a number of countries in deep trouble around the world (Sri Lanka, etc) the list is dark and endless

    It's difficult to believe as I stare out at a sunny, happy London, but the world is likely in the most perilous position since WW2
    Leon, I enjoy your posts on the whole, especially the travelogues, but my word you’re a pessimist. I thought I was a pessimist but I’m an optimist in comparison.

    Keep an eye on Pakistan, they’re the next Sri Lanka.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    They do it deliberately just to wind you up Leon.
    I wish that were so. I don't mind being wound up

    Unfortunately I know a lot of Woke people and I know they REALLY mean it
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,963
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    Joan of Arc too!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11105319/Backlash-grows-against-Shakespeares-Globe-Theatre-new-play-depicting-Joan-Arc-non-binary.html
    TBF there was some question of her assigned gender etc back in the 14-wotsits - male dress and all that at a time when they took male/female dress codes very seriously.
    We did Shaw's St Joan at school (my Bishop of Beauvais was much commended by our drama teacher but left everyone else unmoved). It was a long time ago but istr her upsetting of gender norms was part of the case against her. There is truly nothing new under the sun.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,435

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Presumably Truss has been misinterpreted regarding her comments on energy companies?

    Liz Truss is in Gloucestershire

    She says: "We need to get on with delivering the small modular nuclear reactors which we produce HERE IN DERBYSHIRE"

    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1557805805264674819
    So she meant HERE as the UK?

    And?
    Here as in Derbyshire. It's a direct quotation.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/truss-sunak-conservative-hustings-derbyshire-b2143431.html

    And they aren't in production yet, I believe, either.

    Edit: Not even approved as of a few months ago. Unlikely to be producing power till well after Ms Truss is out of power, in more senses than one.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/rolls-royce-expecting-uk-approval-mini-nuclear-reactor-by-mid-2024-2022-04-19/

    Rather a disconnect from reality.
    It doesn't matter if it's a direct quotation. Truss has used this line in hustings wherever she's been, whether in London, etc.. She means - 'are made here (in the UK), in Derbyshire.' To my recollection she hasn't even visited Derbyshire during the campaign. It may be an inelegant way to say it, but it's not a mistake, and it's typically pathetic of Twitter to try to make something of it.
    Sounds like your just making excuses to me.
    OK, you can believe that wherever Truss goes, she believes she's in Derbyshire if you wish.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There is no logical reason why British Railways Plc should or could not exist, beyond pointless ideology.

    Clearly all of the EU countries and Japan have got it wrong. We know better, so we pay the French...

    Isn't loads of the memories of "Bad old BR" because boomers remember train travel in the 70s, and everything was a bit shit, beige and dull (Bar the music) in the 70s ?

    One of the quickest boomer identifiers "bad old days of BR"
    I'm not a boomer and I remember the 'bad old days of BR'.

    It is staff salaries and fare costs that get prioritised in a nationalised system, which give the unions a single point of leverage, and so service quality, infrastructure and rolling stock maintenance and renewal gets deprioritised.

    That's why the train service at my local station was shit up until the mid-1990s, with only one train every hour - and those dating back to the 1960s, and not infrequently they broke down - whilst the station itself was regularly unheated, flaking and falling to pieces. Surly staff too.

    Transport (outside major capital projects) tends to be near bottom of the list for central gov funding after health, education, pensions and the like, so I'd need some convincing that a nationalised system would be "better".

    TfL is fairly good because it gets a shed-ton of funding and passenger revenue, because it's in London.
    BR was really and genuinely shit. I can remember standing as a student on the forlorn platforms of Newport Station on a winter's day, waiting to change for the train to Hereford

    Newport in winter is never great, but being in a BR station in Newport in the 1980s was dystopian
    What rubbish. It would be my idea of utopia:

    https://tinyurl.com/muka7n4f
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,838

    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    anyone in authority would have to say they believe inflation has peaked or will soon go away because the alternative is to say it will not and then everyone will panic buy, empty bank accounts and go on strike or leave jobs - That is not to say that inflation will be a problem in 5 years but it is to say dont believe anyone in authority about it because they may be logicially lying.

    Same with if an asteroid is to hit earth, if this is known by government it will almost certianly not say and try and keep secret. - That is not to say an asteroid will hit earth soon but donr think it will not because the government have not said it will
    I did enjoy don't look up, even if they overdid the Trumpism a bit.

    But the credibility of the BoE is based upon them producing credible models. When they are producing rubbish they do more damage than good. I thought the last forecast was some sort of an attempt to steer towards reality even if it was therefore a disconnect from the panglossian nonsense the Bank has fed us over the last 2 years. Arguably, they went too far, especially in relation to growth.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited August 2022

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    Joan of Arc too!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11105319/Backlash-grows-against-Shakespeares-Globe-Theatre-new-play-depicting-Joan-Arc-non-binary.html
    TBF there was some question of her assigned gender etc back in the 14-wotsits - male dress and all that at a time when they took male/female dress codes very seriously.
    We did Shaw's St Joan at school (my Bishop of Beauvais was much commended by our drama teacher but left everyone else unmoved). It was a long time ago but istr her upsetting of gender norms was part of the case against her. There is truly nothing new under the sun.
    Becoming commander of the entire French Army in her teens was slightly more an overturning of gender norms than her choice of clothing or hairstyles.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Truss years (or weeks) are going to be spectacular.

    BoZo will seem like a sure hand on the tiller by comparison

    No other incoming PM will have had such an array of massive problrms....or maybe any suggestions from the past?
    The Coaltion government faced at least as bad an intray, arguably worse.
    You are joking aren't you ?
    Absolutely not. I really don't think people appreciate how close to the edge we were in 2008-2010, not just in the UK but throughout the west. We had also kicked out a government that had failed to have a spending review, who had given open ended and unaffordable largesse to the populatiion by way of election bribes and we had to make a Coalition work, something that this country had very little experience of. The government really did need to both increase taxes and decrease spending year after year carefully running the line between modest growth and acutal recession as they tried to repair the mess.
    With respect I think you're talking absolute mince. We're in a far worse position now than 2010.
    I am afraid I must agree

    2008 was pretty grim for many people, but what we face now is that times twenty, or a hundred. We have similar recessions looming, plus much bigger debts, plus the tail end of a global plague, plus a horrible war in Europe, plus a brutal energy crisis, plus an apparent speeding of climate change, plus a number of countries in deep trouble around the world (Sri Lanka, etc) the list is dark and endless

    It's difficult to believe as I stare out at a sunny, happy London, but the world is likely in the most perilous position since WW2
    Leon, I enjoy your posts on the whole, especially the travelogues, but my word you’re a pessimist. I thought I was a pessimist but I’m an optimist in comparison.

    Keep an eye on Pakistan, they’re the next Sri Lanka.
    Well, if it helps, personally I'm an optimist. I'm in a better place than I have been for several years. The knapping goes well, the kids are fine, I'm travelling again, the money flows - Ins'allah. I know I am lucky - and it could all change tomorrow - but for the moment I'm grateful to Fate for dealing me a hand I probably don't deserve

    My pessimism is macro, it is hard to look at the world and think this is all fine. We are truly in a tough spot

    However, my optimism returns when I look at the longer term. Technology is about to do amazing things that will make the world better. eg I recently discovered a remarkable idea called what3words, but I'll tell you about it later

    So we just have to get through the next few years and then life could become seriously better for many, That's what I hope but also what I believe
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There is no logical reason why British Railways Plc should or could not exist, beyond pointless ideology.

    Clearly all of the EU countries and Japan have got it wrong. We know better, so we pay the French...

    Isn't loads of the memories of "Bad old BR" because boomers remember train travel in the 70s, and everything was a bit shit, beige and dull (Bar the music) in the 70s ?

    One of the quickest boomer identifiers "bad old days of BR"
    I'm not a boomer and I remember the 'bad old days of BR'.

    It is staff salaries and fare costs that get prioritised in a nationalised system, which give the unions a single point of leverage, and so service quality, infrastructure and rolling stock maintenance and renewal gets deprioritised.

    That's why the train service at my local station was shit up until the mid-1990s, with only one train every hour - and those dating back to the 1960s, and not infrequently they broke down - whilst the station itself was regularly unheated, flaking and falling to pieces. Surly staff too.

    Transport (outside major capital projects) tends to be near bottom of the list for central gov funding after health, education, pensions and the like, so I'd need some convincing that a nationalised system would be "better".

    TfL is fairly good because it gets a shed-ton of funding and passenger revenue, because it's in London.
    BR was really and genuinely shit. I can remember standing as a student on the forlorn platforms of Newport Station on a winter's day, waiting to change for the train to Hereford

    Newport in winter is never great, but being in a BR station in Newport in the 1980s was dystopian
    So BR was shit because you were waiting for a train connection in Newport in the Winter? What do you want, taxi ride? Maybe you should have paid for one then.
    lol. Are you actually ANGRY because I am criticising a Welsh railway station in the 1980s?

    I know PB can get angry about anything, but this might be a new peak
    Hey, no dissing Newport! :wink:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eijc2tGe-zM
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    Leon said:

    Selebian said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    On the energy stuff, what I'd really like to see from Labour is some kind of "Challenge 2027" or something along those lines to 5x our current renewable energy generation by the end of 2027. 5 years for 5x. This problem needs the full weight of government, industry and science. Not just hoping that private companies with no interest in increasing energy supply will magically invest money to increase energy supply and reduce their arbitration profits.

    Yes, this would be a way of building on one of the successes of the pandemic - the ventilator challenge. Have the same sort of thing, but for renewable energy supply.
    A good end, but the problem isn't really technology is it? There's a lot we can do pretty cheaply now with solar and wind, keeping gas for backup when neither works. The problem is more about persuading people (including would-be Prime Ministers, ahem) to stop coming up with dumb objections.
    We knew how to make medical ventilators before the ventilator challenge, but we didn't know how to make them quickly.

    I expect there's lots that can be done to speed up the installation of new turbines, grid infrastructure, storage, etc, on both a technical and administrative level.
    Yes, it's almost like a wartime effort. That's the situation I think we're in but no one's realised it yet. If we don't act today to start rapidly increasing renewable energy generation then the next 10 years we will be faced with economic ruin as industry simply shuts down every winter so homes can be heated.
    Lots of people seem to be assuming (gambling) that this is just a blip because of the war in Ukraine, and that in a year or two we will be back to more normal prices. But what if we are not? I think you are right to suggest this grand challenge.

    I just don't expect our political leaders to do it.
    It’s a win-win. In the long term, we need to move to zero-carbon energy sources, so if this is just a Ukraine-related blip, we’ve still made valuable progress moving towards that goal. And if it’s more than a blip, thank heavens we’ve increased supply this way.

    Someone (Anrew Cuomo?) punctuated his Covid briefings with "we know what to do, we just need to do it". The same thing is happinging with energy transitions. Most of the science/engineering problems are sufficiently solved; the systems are cheap enough, efficient enough, simple enough to install. Gains from here are incremental, not factors of ten.

    The limiting steps are the political ones. Truss doesn't like solar farms, because reasons. Onshore wind farms stopped under Cameron, because the public was "fed up" with them. Our homes are largely still badly insulated because... well, I'm not sure why. (I'm just as bad. When we moved here a decade ago, all the windows were single-glazed; we are getting the last ones replaced next month but should have done it long before.)

    It would be lovely to treat energy transition as a science problem, because they are relatively easy. Political mindset problems... oh dear.
    It’s like how the government still funds lots of research on smoking cessation, but we don’t need (much) more research,* we need policy action.

    * Obviously, more research is always good and keeps my mates employed. There are issues that are newer, e.g. around vaping, that require research. But we know how to get people to quit smoking.

    I'm yet to read a scientific paper that concludes: "So, we've sorted this. No further research is needed." :wink:
    Then you must have missed the many many studies which have concluded: "Covid came from the market. That's it. Job done. Don't even think about the lab. Debate over"
    Yep, I missed any studies that said that. Sure it wasn't "no evidence for a lab leak"?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There is no logical reason why British Railways Plc should or could not exist, beyond pointless ideology.

    Clearly all of the EU countries and Japan have got it wrong. We know better, so we pay the French...

    Isn't loads of the memories of "Bad old BR" because boomers remember train travel in the 70s, and everything was a bit shit, beige and dull (Bar the music) in the 70s ?

    One of the quickest boomer identifiers "bad old days of BR"
    I'm not a boomer and I remember the 'bad old days of BR'.

    It is staff salaries and fare costs that get prioritised in a nationalised system, which give the unions a single point of leverage, and so service quality, infrastructure and rolling stock maintenance and renewal gets deprioritised.

    That's why the train service at my local station was shit up until the mid-1990s, with only one train every hour - and those dating back to the 1960s, and not infrequently they broke down - whilst the station itself was regularly unheated, flaking and falling to pieces. Surly staff too.

    Transport (outside major capital projects) tends to be near bottom of the list for central gov funding after health, education, pensions and the like, so I'd need some convincing that a nationalised system would be "better".

    TfL is fairly good because it gets a shed-ton of funding and passenger revenue, because it's in London.
    BR was really and genuinely shit. I can remember standing as a student on the forlorn platforms of Newport Station on a winter's day, waiting to change for the train to Hereford

    Newport in winter is never great, but being in a BR station in Newport in the 1980s was dystopian
    So BR was shit because you were waiting for a train connection in Newport in the Winter? What do you want, taxi ride? Maybe you should have paid for one then.
    lol. Are you actually ANGRY because I am criticising a Welsh railway station in the 1980s?

    I know PB can get angry about anything, but this might be a new peak
    No, I'm just wondering why you're criticising BR for having to change at Newport in the Winter.

    The privatisation was diabolical. The rolling stock was given away for practically nothing. A fraction of its value.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    Leon said:

    @turbotubbs

    “Bit worrying for me then - wife expecting early Feb, the big 50 for me in October. I am slightly worried, but also hugely excited. This is our first (and almost certainly only).”

    Good luck. You’re (just) under 50 (which was my cut-off point). I really believe it gets much more difficult, quite swiftly, after 50. It’s fairly insane after 55

    And it really matters that it’s your first 🥂🥂

    I have already had lots of thoughts about picking up from school ('is that your grandad'), touring Unis (is that your grandad) etc. Hugely excited but also terrified.
    I had an older Dad. I have no memory of him without white hair and I got the "Is that your Grandad?" shtick too. But it never bothered me and he was a fantastic father. He was so curious and interested and funny that he seemed more alive and younger than men younger than him, if that makes sense. The only disadvantage was losing him too young.

    So I would not worry. Love and happy memories. That's what will survive.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,963
    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    Joan of Arc too!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11105319/Backlash-grows-against-Shakespeares-Globe-Theatre-new-play-depicting-Joan-Arc-non-binary.html
    TBF there was some question of her assigned gender etc back in the 14-wotsits - male dress and all that at a time when they took male/female dress codes very seriously.
    We did Shaw's St Joan at school (my Bishop of Beauvais was much commended by our drama teacher but left everyone else unmoved). It was a long time ago but istr her upsetting of gender norms was part of the case against her. There is truly nothing new under the sun.
    Becoming commander of the entire French Army was slightly more an overturning of gender norms than her choice of clothing or hairstyles.
    Well yes, with hindsight it was never going to end well.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Truss years (or weeks) are going to be spectacular.

    BoZo will seem like a sure hand on the tiller by comparison

    No other incoming PM will have had such an array of massive problrms....or maybe any suggestions from the past?
    The Coaltion government faced at least as bad an intray, arguably worse.
    You are joking aren't you ?
    Absolutely not. I really don't think people appreciate how close to the edge we were in 2008-2010, not just in the UK but throughout the west. We had also kicked out a government that had failed to have a spending review, who had given open ended and unaffordable largesse to the populatiion by way of election bribes and we had to make a Coalition work, something that this country had very little experience of. The government really did need to both increase taxes and decrease spending year after year carefully running the line between modest growth and acutal recession as they tried to repair the mess.
    With respect I think you're talking absolute mince. We're in a far worse position now than 2010.
    I am afraid I must agree

    2008 was pretty grim for many people, but what we face now is that times twenty, or a hundred. We have similar recessions looming, plus much bigger debts, plus the tail end of a global plague, plus a horrible war in Europe, plus a brutal energy crisis, plus an apparent speeding of climate change, plus a number of countries in deep trouble around the world (Sri Lanka, etc) the list is dark and endless

    It's difficult to believe as I stare out at a sunny, happy London, but the world is likely in the most perilous position since WW2
    Leon, I enjoy your posts on the whole, especially the travelogues, but my word you’re a pessimist. I thought I was a pessimist but I’m an optimist in comparison.

    Keep an eye on Pakistan, they’re the next Sri Lanka.
    Well, if it helps, personally I'm an optimist. I'm in a better place than I have been for several years. The knapping goes well, the kids are fine, I'm travelling again, the money flows - Ins'allah. I know I am lucky - and it could all change tomorrow - but for the moment I'm grateful to Fate for dealing me a hand I probably don't deserve

    My pessimism is macro, it is hard to look at the world and think this is all fine. We are truly in a tough spot

    However, my optimism returns when I look at the longer term. Technology is about to do amazing things that will make the world better. eg I recently discovered a remarkable idea called what3words, but I'll tell you about it later

    So we just have to get through the next few years and then life could become seriously better for many, That's what I hope but also what I believe
    I first used what3words a few years back, prior to Covid, when we went to Tommy Banks’ restaurant the Black Swan. They said to use that instead of the postcode as it took you direct to them rather than the general area. Worked great.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There is no logical reason why British Railways Plc should or could not exist, beyond pointless ideology.

    Clearly all of the EU countries and Japan have got it wrong. We know better, so we pay the French...

    Isn't loads of the memories of "Bad old BR" because boomers remember train travel in the 70s, and everything was a bit shit, beige and dull (Bar the music) in the 70s ?

    One of the quickest boomer identifiers "bad old days of BR"
    I'm not a boomer and I remember the 'bad old days of BR'.

    It is staff salaries and fare costs that get prioritised in a nationalised system, which give the unions a single point of leverage, and so service quality, infrastructure and rolling stock maintenance and renewal gets deprioritised.

    That's why the train service at my local station was shit up until the mid-1990s, with only one train every hour - and those dating back to the 1960s, and not infrequently they broke down - whilst the station itself was regularly unheated, flaking and falling to pieces. Surly staff too.

    Transport (outside major capital projects) tends to be near bottom of the list for central gov funding after health, education, pensions and the like, so I'd need some convincing that a nationalised system would be "better".

    TfL is fairly good because it gets a shed-ton of funding and passenger revenue, because it's in London.
    BR was really and genuinely shit. I can remember standing as a student on the forlorn platforms of Newport Station on a winter's day, waiting to change for the train to Hereford

    Newport in winter is never great, but being in a BR station in Newport in the 1980s was dystopian
    So BR was shit because you were waiting for a train connection in Newport in the Winter? What do you want, taxi ride? Maybe you should have paid for one then.
    lol. Are you actually ANGRY because I am criticising a Welsh railway station in the 1980s?

    I know PB can get angry about anything, but this might be a new peak
    Hey, no dissing Newport! :wink:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eijc2tGe-zM
    Hahahaha


    That's excellent

    "Twinned with Guanxi province in China, there's no province finer"

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,644
    edited August 2022

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    It can't be long until Margaret Thatcher gets transed:

    "Their use of the plural pronoun 'we' was an unambiguous nod to their gender-queer identity. French President Francois Mitterand remarked on their masculine eyes and anyone who came into contact with them was aware of the way they would use their handbag to wield the phallus."
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    Since there are unlikely to be any links to this document in the mainstream British media, here is yesterday's press release from the UN Security Council regarding the "Situation at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant":

    https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14996.doc.htm

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157

    Foxy said:

    Rather bizarre accusation by Truss seems to have annoyed the CS.

    https://twitter.com/FDAGenSec/status/1558046635233628161?t=0Y9OemilQYMn1BJy6nFT3g&s=19

    It's not a bizarre accusation, really.
    It's a gratuitously offensive accusation.
    She needs, quickly, to come up with evidence of CS anti-semitism, or retract and apologise.
    Feck, just read the tweet and the original accusation. Truss really is a smouldering bin fire waiting to spring into life.

    Regardless of the performative wailing about dangerous Corbyn, he never actually was PM or close, she's odds on to be in No 10 shortly.
    She's basically just chuntering things like some sort of crazy reactionary chatbot. Mouth opens, words come out, they're in English and in approximately the right order and that's the only evidence of any governing intelligence at all.

    They used to call Johnson the Lucky Politician but I think it's time to revise this. Starmer is.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    ...

    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    I have just had to delay a picnic with friends, by several hours, because it is TOO HOT AND SUNNY

    This must literally be a first in the entire history of the United Kingdom

    Sean Thomas Knox has also had to delay a picnic.

    sean thomas knox
    @thomasknox
    ·
    3m
    Just had to delay a picnic with friends, by several hours, because it is TOO HOT AND SUNNY

    This must be a first in the entire history of the United Kingdom
    I find it a remarkable coincidence how often that sean thomas knox and Leon are doing the same things at the same time.

    Sean seemed to follow Leon across the world for 3 months continually yet they claim to have never been seen in the same room together....
    Maybe Knox is the friend that Leon was having his picnic with. Both singing from the same hymnsheet is the mark of a healthy and well organised friendship.
    I think it is more than a friendship. They appear to have been staying in the same hotel room on more than one occasion.
    Should I be jealous??
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    Selebian said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    On the energy stuff, what I'd really like to see from Labour is some kind of "Challenge 2027" or something along those lines to 5x our current renewable energy generation by the end of 2027. 5 years for 5x. This problem needs the full weight of government, industry and science. Not just hoping that private companies with no interest in increasing energy supply will magically invest money to increase energy supply and reduce their arbitration profits.

    Yes, this would be a way of building on one of the successes of the pandemic - the ventilator challenge. Have the same sort of thing, but for renewable energy supply.
    A good end, but the problem isn't really technology is it? There's a lot we can do pretty cheaply now with solar and wind, keeping gas for backup when neither works. The problem is more about persuading people (including would-be Prime Ministers, ahem) to stop coming up with dumb objections.
    We knew how to make medical ventilators before the ventilator challenge, but we didn't know how to make them quickly.

    I expect there's lots that can be done to speed up the installation of new turbines, grid infrastructure, storage, etc, on both a technical and administrative level.
    Yes, it's almost like a wartime effort. That's the situation I think we're in but no one's realised it yet. If we don't act today to start rapidly increasing renewable energy generation then the next 10 years we will be faced with economic ruin as industry simply shuts down every winter so homes can be heated.
    Lots of people seem to be assuming (gambling) that this is just a blip because of the war in Ukraine, and that in a year or two we will be back to more normal prices. But what if we are not? I think you are right to suggest this grand challenge.

    I just don't expect our political leaders to do it.
    It’s a win-win. In the long term, we need to move to zero-carbon energy sources, so if this is just a Ukraine-related blip, we’ve still made valuable progress moving towards that goal. And if it’s more than a blip, thank heavens we’ve increased supply this way.

    Someone (Anrew Cuomo?) punctuated his Covid briefings with "we know what to do, we just need to do it". The same thing is happinging with energy transitions. Most of the science/engineering problems are sufficiently solved; the systems are cheap enough, efficient enough, simple enough to install. Gains from here are incremental, not factors of ten.

    The limiting steps are the political ones. Truss doesn't like solar farms, because reasons. Onshore wind farms stopped under Cameron, because the public was "fed up" with them. Our homes are largely still badly insulated because... well, I'm not sure why. (I'm just as bad. When we moved here a decade ago, all the windows were single-glazed; we are getting the last ones replaced next month but should have done it long before.)

    It would be lovely to treat energy transition as a science problem, because they are relatively easy. Political mindset problems... oh dear.
    It’s like how the government still funds lots of research on smoking cessation, but we don’t need (much) more research,* we need policy action.

    * Obviously, more research is always good and keeps my mates employed. There are issues that are newer, e.g. around vaping, that require research. But we know how to get people to quit smoking.

    I'm yet to read a scientific paper that concludes: "So, we've sorted this. No further research is needed." :wink:
    Then you must have missed the many many studies which have concluded: "Covid came from the market. That's it. Job done. Don't even think about the lab. Debate over"
    Yep, I missed any studies that said that. Sure it wasn't "no evidence for a lab leak"?
    If they said there's no evidence for a lab leak, that's probably because literally no scientists have ever gone looking for evidence of a lab leak, yet thousands have spent millions trying, with a curious desperation, to prove it came from the market

    Of course there was one inspection of the Wuhan labs, by WHO. They went into the labs for about an hour, and the inspection team was led by one Peter Daszak, head of EcoHealth at, ermm, the Wuhan labs. Bet he was REALLY thorough
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Presumably Truss has been misinterpreted regarding her comments on energy companies?

    Liz Truss is in Gloucestershire

    She says: "We need to get on with delivering the small modular nuclear reactors which we produce HERE IN DERBYSHIRE"

    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1557805805264674819
    So she meant HERE as the UK?

    And?
    Here as in Derbyshire. It's a direct quotation.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/truss-sunak-conservative-hustings-derbyshire-b2143431.html

    And they aren't in production yet, I believe, either.

    Edit: Not even approved as of a few months ago. Unlikely to be producing power till well after Ms Truss is out of power, in more senses than one.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/rolls-royce-expecting-uk-approval-mini-nuclear-reactor-by-mid-2024-2022-04-19/

    Rather a disconnect from reality.
    It doesn't matter if it's a direct quotation. Truss has used this line in hustings wherever she's been, whether in London, etc.. She means - 'are made here (in the UK), in Derbyshire.' To my recollection she hasn't even visited Derbyshire during the campaign. It may be an inelegant way to say it, but it's not a mistake, and it's typically pathetic of Twitter to try to make something of it.
    Sounds like your just making excuses to me.
    OK, you can believe that wherever Truss goes, she believes she's in Derbyshire if you wish.
    I do believe she gets confused very easily, especially when challenged on her pronouncements, whether in Derbyshire or Gloucestershire.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,359

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    It can't be long until Margaret Thatcher gets transed:

    "Their use of the plural pronoun 'we' was an unambiguous nod to their gender-queer identity. French President Francois Mitterand remarked on their masculine eyes and anyone who came into contact with them was aware of the way they would use their handbag to wield the phallus."
    The writer does not seem aware of the fact that "Prince" was a gender-neutral term in the 16th century. It meant Head of State/Government.

    "The Prince", by Macchiavelli, included both male and female rulers.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592
    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    @turbotubbs

    “Bit worrying for me then - wife expecting early Feb, the big 50 for me in October. I am slightly worried, but also hugely excited. This is our first (and almost certainly only).”

    Good luck. You’re (just) under 50 (which was my cut-off point). I really believe it gets much more difficult, quite swiftly, after 50. It’s fairly insane after 55

    And it really matters that it’s your first 🥂🥂

    I have already had lots of thoughts about picking up from school ('is that your grandad'), touring Unis (is that your grandad) etc. Hugely excited but also terrified.
    I had an older Dad. I have no memory of him without white hair and I got the "Is that your Grandad?" shtick too. But it never bothered me and he was a fantastic father. He was so curious and interested and funny that he seemed more alive and younger than men younger than him, if that makes sense. The only disadvantage was losing him too young.

    So I would not worry. Love and happy memories. That's what will survive.
    I became a dad for the first time at 41. Not too old (but Mrs J was 38, and she was classed as an 'old mother', which amused her). Compared to when I was in my twenties, I am calmer and less fussed about things. I am much more financially secure. I have done a lot with my life, so don't begrudge the time spent with our son. I don't feel the need to go to the pub two or three times a week any more. I am wiser and more patient.

    All in all, I think (and hope!) I'm a far better dad than I would have been in my late teens or twenties.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Leon said:

    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    Selebian said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    On the energy stuff, what I'd really like to see from Labour is some kind of "Challenge 2027" or something along those lines to 5x our current renewable energy generation by the end of 2027. 5 years for 5x. This problem needs the full weight of government, industry and science. Not just hoping that private companies with no interest in increasing energy supply will magically invest money to increase energy supply and reduce their arbitration profits.

    Yes, this would be a way of building on one of the successes of the pandemic - the ventilator challenge. Have the same sort of thing, but for renewable energy supply.
    A good end, but the problem isn't really technology is it? There's a lot we can do pretty cheaply now with solar and wind, keeping gas for backup when neither works. The problem is more about persuading people (including would-be Prime Ministers, ahem) to stop coming up with dumb objections.
    We knew how to make medical ventilators before the ventilator challenge, but we didn't know how to make them quickly.

    I expect there's lots that can be done to speed up the installation of new turbines, grid infrastructure, storage, etc, on both a technical and administrative level.
    Yes, it's almost like a wartime effort. That's the situation I think we're in but no one's realised it yet. If we don't act today to start rapidly increasing renewable energy generation then the next 10 years we will be faced with economic ruin as industry simply shuts down every winter so homes can be heated.
    Lots of people seem to be assuming (gambling) that this is just a blip because of the war in Ukraine, and that in a year or two we will be back to more normal prices. But what if we are not? I think you are right to suggest this grand challenge.

    I just don't expect our political leaders to do it.
    It’s a win-win. In the long term, we need to move to zero-carbon energy sources, so if this is just a Ukraine-related blip, we’ve still made valuable progress moving towards that goal. And if it’s more than a blip, thank heavens we’ve increased supply this way.

    Someone (Anrew Cuomo?) punctuated his Covid briefings with "we know what to do, we just need to do it". The same thing is happinging with energy transitions. Most of the science/engineering problems are sufficiently solved; the systems are cheap enough, efficient enough, simple enough to install. Gains from here are incremental, not factors of ten.

    The limiting steps are the political ones. Truss doesn't like solar farms, because reasons. Onshore wind farms stopped under Cameron, because the public was "fed up" with them. Our homes are largely still badly insulated because... well, I'm not sure why. (I'm just as bad. When we moved here a decade ago, all the windows were single-glazed; we are getting the last ones replaced next month but should have done it long before.)

    It would be lovely to treat energy transition as a science problem, because they are relatively easy. Political mindset problems... oh dear.
    It’s like how the government still funds lots of research on smoking cessation, but we don’t need (much) more research,* we need policy action.

    * Obviously, more research is always good and keeps my mates employed. There are issues that are newer, e.g. around vaping, that require research. But we know how to get people to quit smoking.

    I'm yet to read a scientific paper that concludes: "So, we've sorted this. No further research is needed." :wink:
    Then you must have missed the many many studies which have concluded: "Covid came from the market. That's it. Job done. Don't even think about the lab. Debate over"
    Yep, I missed any studies that said that. Sure it wasn't "no evidence for a lab leak"?
    If they said there's no evidence for a lab leak, that's probably because literally no scientists have ever gone looking for evidence of a lab leak, yet thousands have spent millions trying, with a curious desperation, to prove it came from the market

    Of course there was one inspection of the Wuhan labs, by WHO. They went into the labs for about an hour, and the inspection team was led by one Peter Daszak, head of EcoHealth at, ermm, the Wuhan labs. Bet he was REALLY thorough
    It reminds me of Jim Hacker's PMQs response to a question about whether the Department for Employment fiddle the figures...
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    Wow. Sounds as if Liz Truss is weaponizing the concept of anti-Semitism as part of her crusade against the British civil service.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/12/liz-truss-protect-british-jews-antisemitism-woke-culture
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    27 degrees here in my bit of the Lakes. It is amazing. And yet the countryside is still green hereabouts.

    We have been having siestas all week and had to close the curtains in the dining area as the slate floor was getting so warm it was too hot to walk on!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,963
    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    Rather bizarre accusation by Truss seems to have annoyed the CS.

    https://twitter.com/FDAGenSec/status/1558046635233628161?t=0Y9OemilQYMn1BJy6nFT3g&s=19

    It's not a bizarre accusation, really.
    It's a gratuitously offensive accusation.
    She needs, quickly, to come up with evidence of CS anti-semitism, or retract and apologise.
    Feck, just read the tweet and the original accusation. Truss really is a smouldering bin fire waiting to spring into life.

    Regardless of the performative wailing about dangerous Corbyn, he never actually was PM or close, she's odds on to be in No 10 shortly.
    She's basically just chuntering things like some sort of crazy reactionary chatbot. Mouth opens, words come out, they're in English and in approximately the right order and that's the only evidence of any governing intelligence at all.

    They used to call Johnson the Lucky Politician but I think it's time to revise this. Starmer is.
    Her first cabinet will tell us a lot about the tenor of the Truss pmship, very likely none of it good.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,359
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    Joan of Arc too!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11105319/Backlash-grows-against-Shakespeares-Globe-Theatre-new-play-depicting-Joan-Arc-non-binary.html
    I can’t say this bothers me at all. Or that black woman playing Ann Boleyn (great stunt casting to get publicity for the show) or anything along these lines. These are dramas not documentaries and creatives should be able to interpret how they want.
    It seems to me like the worst kind of fanfiction, where the lead character just becomes the author's self-insert. Joan of Arc becomes a 21st century non-binary individual wearing medieval costume.

    I'd like to see the world through the eyes of Joan of Arc; not through the eyes of the author or lead actor.

    A 15th Frenchwoman, would take the existence of Christ and His saints for granted, and her principal concerns would be surviving the English army and ensuring she had enough to eat. She would not be remotely concerned with 21st century first world problems.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    Another place that will have a nasty knock-on effect is student loans, where some of them have interest charged at the rate of inflation.

    I might look to clear the remainder of mine if I can earn enough this year.
    You have a student loan at your age?!

    Sorry - just startled: that really drives it home.
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    In more "just like panto dames" news

    The Globe is calling Queen Elizabeth "they/them"

    WTF?


    Oh God. Oh God. Make it all go away. I fucking hate it
    Joan of Arc too!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11105319/Backlash-grows-against-Shakespeares-Globe-Theatre-new-play-depicting-Joan-Arc-non-binary.html
    I can’t say this bothers me at all. Or that black woman playing Ann Boleyn (great stunt casting to get publicity for the show) or anything along these lines. These are dramas not documentaries and creatives should be able to interpret how they want.
    Agreed.
    I'd be more concerned about whether or not it's any good.

    There's arguably been a tendency for wokeish production to get unduly favourable reviews in the past (though I'm suspicious of any favourable review at all, having often been disappointed).

    On those lines, I happily booked to see this production, as I saw Hughes in the Henry VI cycle, and he was far and away the best thing in it.
    https://amp.theguardian.com/stage/2022/jul/01/richard-iii-review-rsc-stratford-arthur-hughes

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    Anyway on the whole retirement issue, I have taken the opposite track and acquired 600 sq metres of land on rocks and a hill to turn into a garden. This will take years as I intend doing as much of it myself as possible. It will be physically demanding work but is the main way I intend staying fit and flexible and healthy. I think that if I ended up in a place where everything was to hand and there were no stairs or hills or physical stuff to do I'd turn into a puddle inside a few weeks.

    I may revisit this in my 90's of course but as that is decades hence ....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    If you think Wokeness doesn't matter, read this

    A truly extraordinary analysis of how Wokeness is invading STEM and especially medicine, in America

    This shit really matters. It is going to cripple the USA and the wider West


    https://www.city-journal.org/the-corruption-of-medicine
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,644
    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There is no logical reason why British Railways Plc should or could not exist, beyond pointless ideology.

    Clearly all of the EU countries and Japan have got it wrong. We know better, so we pay the French...

    Isn't loads of the memories of "Bad old BR" because boomers remember train travel in the 70s, and everything was a bit shit, beige and dull (Bar the music) in the 70s ?

    One of the quickest boomer identifiers "bad old days of BR"
    I'm not a boomer and I remember the 'bad old days of BR'.

    It is staff salaries and fare costs that get prioritised in a nationalised system, which give the unions a single point of leverage, and so service quality, infrastructure and rolling stock maintenance and renewal gets deprioritised.

    That's why the train service at my local station was shit up until the mid-1990s, with only one train every hour - and those dating back to the 1960s, and not infrequently they broke down - whilst the station itself was regularly unheated, flaking and falling to pieces. Surly staff too.

    Transport (outside major capital projects) tends to be near bottom of the list for central gov funding after health, education, pensions and the like, so I'd need some convincing that a nationalised system would be "better".

    TfL is fairly good because it gets a shed-ton of funding and passenger revenue, because it's in London.
    BR was really and genuinely shit. I can remember standing as a student on the forlorn platforms of Newport Station on a winter's day, waiting to change for the train to Hereford

    Newport in winter is never great, but being in a BR station in Newport in the 1980s was dystopian
    So BR was shit because you were waiting for a train connection in Newport in the Winter? What do you want, taxi ride? Maybe you should have paid for one then.
    lol. Are you actually ANGRY because I am criticising a Welsh railway station in the 1980s?

    I know PB can get angry about anything, but this might be a new peak
    Hey, no dissing Newport! :wink:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eijc2tGe-zM
    That's better than the original.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    Dynamo said:

    Since there are unlikely to be any links to this document in the mainstream British media, here is yesterday's press release from the UN Security Council regarding the "Situation at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant":

    https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14996.doc.htm

    Yet if you read the quotes under the press release you will note that everyone is calling out that the entire mess was created by Russia

    But as a Russian Troll you know that - and just wish to spread false information.

    At the same time I'm utterly unimpressed with the UN reporting here but that's a different matter....
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773

    ...

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Around here the combine harvesters are currently going around the clock. If you are out at night you see them lit up with multiple lights working away. What is really noticeable this year is that much of the wheat, oats and barley is extremely stunted, quite often not more than 1ft high whilst it would normally be at least 2ft, sometimes more. The rape was less affected in the early summer but it is intense now and we have had far more rain than most of England.

    Yields are going to be pretty bad and there is likely to be a serious shortage of fodder for livestock by the spring. Our already substantial volume of food imports is going to increase sharply and we will be paying world prices for it which are going to be significantly higher. Lost production and exports from both Ukraine and Russia won't help much either.

    The idea that this current burst of inflation is soon going to go away (as the BoE was claiming only weeks ago) is wildly optimistic. Sunak has been rather all over the place of late but he is right that inflation is probably our biggest single problem.

    Another place that will have a nasty knock-on effect is student loans, where some of them have interest charged at the rate of inflation.

    I might look to clear the remainder of mine if I can earn enough this year.
    You have a student loan at your age?!

    Sorry - just startled: that really drives it home.
    Yes, people forget they go back to the days of new labour and Blair.
    They came in before 1997. Charging students for courses was granted a New Labour project capped at £3500 p a I believe.
    I was the first year in 1998 which had to pay it . £1,000 pa.. seems such small fry now.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    My bit about the undead Tory leadership contest, “the blob”, and the government fiddling while Britain burns https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/12/warring-tories-radical-change-mythical-liz-truss-rishi-sunak?CMP=share_btn_tw
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    edited August 2022
    I take back my long term optimism. Wokeness is going to destroy us. That essay is devastating


    https://www.city-journal.org/the-corruption-of-medicine


    It gets worse and worse as you read on


    "In May 2022, a physician-scientist lost her NIH funding for a drug trial because the trial population did not contain enough blacks. The drug under review was for a type of cancer that blacks rarely get. There were almost no black patients with that disease to enroll in the trial, therefore. Better, however, to foreclose development of a therapy that might help predominantly white cancer patients than to conduct a drug trial without black participants."



    "The proponents of the systemic racism hypotheses are making a large bet with potentially lethal consequences. In accordance with the idea that racism causes racial health disparities, they are changing the direction of medical research, the composition of medical faculty, the curriculum of medical schools, the criteria for hiring researchers and for publishing research, and the standards for assessing professional excellence. They are substituting training in political advocacy for training in basic science. They are taking doctors out of the classroom, clinic, and lab and parking them in front of antiracism lecturers. Their preferential policies discourage individuals from pariah groups from going into medicine, regardless of their scientific potential. They have shifted billions of dollars from the investigation of pathophysiology to the production of tracts on microaggressions."
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