If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
Portsmouth to Santander takes 23 hours.
Harwich to Hook of Holland takes 6 1/2 hours.
Dover-Calais can become a lot less convenient and it will still be the most plausible driving route from England to Europe. Geography- distance and time- wins.
It took us an hour to get out of Santander ferry terminal when we travelled down recently as they had to check and stamp every passport. The good news is that there’s only one arrival every couple of days, so nothing stacks up.
"Refugees pour into Ireland as Dublin blames Britain’s Rwanda policy An increase in people seeking asylum in Ireland is causing an accommodation crisis that has forced Ukrainians to be put in tents" (£)
If he has a problem with the UK's Rwanda policy, perhaps he needs to have a word with himself about his EU's multiyear policy of paying a militia to take them off the Med when en route to Europe and put them in camps in North Africa.
Why is this all Dover? I know it's the busiest, but are they having the same issues at, say, North Shields, where there is only one ferry a day, and therefore, presumably, no full time border staff either there, nor at Ijmuiden?
And if you think it’s bad this year, wait for next year - when all third country citizens have to be photographed and fingerprinted on initial entry to the EU. It will be annoying at airports and will be disastrous at ferry ports.
Are they doing that at all the Swiss border crossings?
And in Ireland?
Isn’t Switzerland inside Schenghen? We have the CTA with Ireland, so it shouldn’t be an issue there.
How about we get the productive people in the economy working and able to spend unlike giving pensioners hands out for doing fuck all
Pensioners by and large believe they have 'paid in' via their working life and deserve what is coming to them
And to be fair, that is what the labour party has told them all their lives.
Brexit peer Lord Moylan says they need to come out of retirement and get working in hotels, care homes, coffee shops and picking vegetables, to solve the labour shortage!
Since PB is having a normal one about Dover I’ll swing in on the less controversial thread topic.
My Grandmother, who I love dearly and hope continues her march to the gates of the tonne, has a similar opinion to the lady mentioned upthread: she paid tax all her life and why should she pay more?
This is, with the greatest respect to dear old Nan, bloody silly and a good example of why our politics is as gerontocratic as it is. She expects and deserves good quality care in her old age. She should get it. One of the tenets of any good socialist should always be “from each according to his ability to each according to his need” but far too many people forget the first bit. I had an argument with my mother about this, as Nan pays for her own social care. However, she regularly attends the GP, has regular medical interventions, was the beneficiary of the vaccine programme and had emergency treatment at an NHS hospital, without which she would be dead.
None of that is cheap, and wealth is heavily distributed towards older people in the UK. Because we tax income and like to use NI to sneakily raise income tax, we massively increase the burden on working people (a shrinking demographic) to pay for social care for the elderly. I don’t mind paying more tax if the burden of public service gets heavier, but I expect work to be done to enhance productivity to compensate and for the elderly to pay their share, rather than expecting to opt out of contributing when they hit 65. That isn’t just or reasonable to the young and the middle aged.
If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
Portsmouth to Santander takes 23 hours.
Harwich to Hook of Holland takes 6 1/2 hours.
Dover-Calais can become a lot less convenient and it will still be the most plausible driving route from England to Europe.
Geography- distance and time- wins.
Or don’t drive unless you really have/need to.
Not arguing it’s better not to use that route, just that we will have to, and France won’t like it much.
If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
There seems to be something of a fallacy that all Calais traffic is heading for a final destination in France. And that we have airport capacity for those who wish to switch to just hop on a plane. We don't. This may be the French playing silly buggers or not, but the fact is our government has done precious little to alleviate the situation.
There's a lot of silly buggers telling fairy stories - for example the MP for Calais alleging that there 'weren't enough kiosks' so it had jammed up due to insufficient capacity, when his own authorities had already stated that they had diverted border staff to deal with a 'technical issue' in the Chunnel (whatever that means).
It rather reminds me of the French police claiming that blind people in a disabled queue at the Stade were fans to blame for being tear gassed by police.
I’ve seen this type of meme a lot. No one expects freedom of movement. What they expect is for France to want to accept our tourists in numbers, in their own interests, and manage the flow. If they do not, the market will act and others will. They might not enjoy the result.
It's almost certainly a political marker.
France wants to make a statement in the existing Tory leadership race that it won't be trifled with.
If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
Portsmouth to Santander takes 23 hours.
Harwich to Hook of Holland takes 6 1/2 hours.
Dover-Calais can become a lot less convenient and it will still be the most plausible driving route from England to Europe. Geography- distance and time- wins.
It took us an hour to get out of Santander ferry terminal when we travelled down recently as they had to check and stamp every passport. The good news is that there’s only one arrival every couple of days, so nothing stacks up.
They always had to check every passport, we've always been outside Schengen.
If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
Portsmouth to Santander takes 23 hours.
Harwich to Hook of Holland takes 6 1/2 hours.
Dover-Calais can become a lot less convenient and it will still be the most plausible driving route from England to Europe.
Geography- distance and time- wins.
I live in Hampshire, so do Portsmouth-Caen or Porstmouth-Cherbourg. Dover-Calais has never attracted me.
The only travel problem I've had in the last few years has been flying (back) from Switzerland (non-EU) to the UK because non of the buggers work on a Sunday and it took 2 hours to get checked-in and through control.
"Refugees pour into Ireland as Dublin blames Britain’s Rwanda policy An increase in people seeking asylum in Ireland is causing an accommodation crisis that has forced Ukrainians to be put in tents" (£)
If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
Portsmouth to Santander takes 23 hours.
Harwich to Hook of Holland takes 6 1/2 hours.
Dover-Calais can become a lot less convenient and it will still be the most plausible driving route from England to Europe. Geography- distance and time- wins.
It took us an hour to get out of Santander ferry terminal when we travelled down recently as they had to check and stamp every passport. The good news is that there’s only one arrival every couple of days, so nothing stacks up.
They always had to check every passport, we've always been outside Schengen.
They often didn’t and when they did it was cursory. Now they have to be stamped, so they’re always checked visually and scanned.
And if you think it’s bad this year, wait for next year - when all third country citizens have to be photographed and fingerprinted on initial entry to the EU. It will be annoying at airports and will be disastrous at ferry ports.
If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
Portsmouth to Santander takes 23 hours.
Harwich to Hook of Holland takes 6 1/2 hours.
Dover-Calais can become a lot less convenient and it will still be the most plausible driving route from England to Europe. Geography- distance and time- wins.
It took us an hour to get out of Santander ferry terminal when we travelled down recently as they had to check and stamp every passport. The good news is that there’s only one arrival every couple of days, so nothing stacks up.
They always had to check every passport, we've always been outside Schengen.
Except that they didn't. Passports so often got waved vaguely in their direction and would be accepted. The busier it got, the less interest in actually looking at them. Now? they *have* to stamp. And the real fun comes when they have to do biometric scans too.
We could negotiate a bilateral agreement to get around that. But won't, because we hold all the cards.
That is not me trying to get us to rejoin. But some acknowledgement of the truth would be good.
It’s not Brexit per se, it’s the Brexit this government chose that’s the issue, plus the government not wanting to concede there may be problems so not allocating resources to deal with them.
How about we get the productive people in the economy working and able to spend unlike giving pensioners hands out for doing fuck all
Pensioners by and large believe they have 'paid in' via their working life and deserve what is coming to them
And to be fair, that is what the labour party has told them all their lives.
Brexit peer Lord Moylan says they need to come out of retirement and get working in hotels, care homes, coffee shops and picking vegetables, to solve the labour shortage!
Since PB is having a normal one about Dover I’ll swing in on the less controversial thread topic.
My Grandmother, who I love dearly and hope continues her march to the gates of the tonne, has a similar opinion to the lady mentioned upthread: she paid tax all her life and why should she pay more?
This is, with the greatest respect to dear old Nan, bloody silly and a good example of why our politics is as gerontocratic as it is. She expects and deserves good quality care in her old age. She should get it. One of the tenets of any good socialist should always be “from each according to his ability to each according to his need” but far too many people forget the first bit. I had an argument with my mother about this, as Nan pays for her own social care. However, she regularly attends the GP, has regular medical interventions, was the beneficiary of the vaccine programme and had emergency treatment at an NHS hospital, without which she would be dead.
None of that is cheap, and wealth is heavily distributed towards older people in the UK. Because we tax income and like to use NI to sneakily raise income tax, we massively increase the burden on working people (a shrinking demographic) to pay for social care for the elderly. I don’t mind paying more tax if the burden of public service gets heavier, but I expect work to be done to enhance productivity to compensate and for the elderly to pay their share, rather than expecting to opt out of contributing when they hit 65. That isn’t just or reasonable to the young and the middle aged.
That is not me trying to get us to rejoin. But some acknowledgement of the truth would be good.
They didn't lie. They just didn't know any details. Or cared. Witness Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab expressing his "who knew" shock at just how important Dover-Calais was.
A lie is deliberately saying x when you know y. Most of them simply didn't know. Knew that most of us didn't know either. And anyway whatever the problems there would be a concession from the EU because we held all the cards.
I’ve seen this type of meme a lot. No one expects freedom of movement. What they expect is for France to want to accept our tourists in numbers, in their own interests, and manage the flow. If they do not, the market will act and others will. They might not enjoy the result.
It's almost certainly a political marker.
France wants to make a statement in the existing Tory leadership race that it won't be trifled with.
The question is whether the French failure to send enough passport officers to Dover is an accident or deliberate.
It's deliberate.
The French Government want to make a statement in the Conservative Party leadership contest that they are not to be trifled with.
All the usual shite from Brexit apologists. Let me make this very easy to understand, so that even someone with the IQ of the average leave voter can understand.
Brexit has meant each passport has to be stamped. The extra time needed for this in busy time periods is immense. this then stacks up the busier it gets. In times gone by (before the collective insanity of the silliness called Brexit) they could wave us through when times were busy. No check, no stamp. This was because we were part of this thing called the EU.
After we left the EU, we became, through our own choice (well the choice of 52%) a third country, and therefore the French are obliged (as a result of our choice) to stamp each passport, thus making busy times a lot busier.
Therefore, sorry zealots, it may have been exacerbated by the French (and I am sure the buggers find it very amusing) but it is actually the fault of people who persuaded the a thoroughly gullible section of the population to vote for something totally pointless and without benefit top the average Briton
And before you pile on the nationalistic abuse, thickos, I am not in favour of rejoin. However, I will continue to point out the total stupidity of what you and your silly little Daily Express world, and that you are still being conned by the same bullshitters who fooled you in the first place. Duh!
Time for some lunch./ Sorry I wont be able to read your gammony responses xenophobes!
If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
Portsmouth to Santander takes 23 hours.
Harwich to Hook of Holland takes 6 1/2 hours.
Dover-Calais can become a lot less convenient and it will still be the most plausible driving route from England to Europe.
Geography- distance and time- wins.
I live in Hampshire, so do Portsmouth-Caen or Porstmouth-Cherbourg. Dover-Calais has never attracted me.
The only travel problem I've had in the last few years has been flying (back) from Switzerland (non-EU) to the UK because non of the buggers work on a Sunday and it took 2 hours to get checked-in and through control.
I’ve not had many issues. If you choose your dates and ports of entry carefully, you can mitigate most of the problems. Obviously, families with school-aged kids and freight businesses have less flexibility. Hence the pressure points.
If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
Portsmouth to Santander takes 23 hours.
Harwich to Hook of Holland takes 6 1/2 hours.
Dover-Calais can become a lot less convenient and it will still be the most plausible driving route from England to Europe. Geography- distance and time- wins.
It took us an hour to get out of Santander ferry terminal when we travelled down recently as they had to check and stamp every passport. The good news is that there’s only one arrival every couple of days, so nothing stacks up.
They always had to check every passport, we've always been outside Schengen.
Yep, when I was going back and forward to Holland when my daughter was there on Erasmus my passport was checked every time in both directions before we left. IIRC the delays were never more than about 40 minutes, the worst being back in this country when, like yesterday, there were not enough people checking passports, Border Force on that occasion.
What I'd find really helpful for my betting is a breakdown of Conservative Party membership demographics.
I'm assuming those still in work and paying off mortgages will go for Sunak, but will be outnumbered by those 55+ who do neither and rather fancy higher interest on their savings.
I’d love to see a breakdown of Con membership by country.
Guesstimate: England 90% Wales 5% Scotland 2% NI + overseas 3%
There are plenty of figures here:
Scotland membership is a chart, so not sure exactly, although I think I remember 5-6% which does look to match.
I question that. More like 10% of Conservative Members in Scotland. Tories have the largest % of Scottish members of any major UK-wide party - Greens are 4 parties and IMO don't count as major.
If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
Portsmouth to Santander takes 23 hours.
Harwich to Hook of Holland takes 6 1/2 hours.
Dover-Calais can become a lot less convenient and it will still be the most plausible driving route from England to Europe. Geography- distance and time- wins.
It took us an hour to get out of Santander ferry terminal when we travelled down recently as they had to check and stamp every passport. The good news is that there’s only one arrival every couple of days, so nothing stacks up.
They always had to check every passport, we've always been outside Schengen.
If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
Portsmouth to Santander takes 23 hours.
Harwich to Hook of Holland takes 6 1/2 hours.
Dover-Calais can become a lot less convenient and it will still be the most plausible driving route from England to Europe. Geography- distance and time- wins.
It took us an hour to get out of Santander ferry terminal when we travelled down recently as they had to check and stamp every passport. The good news is that there’s only one arrival every couple of days, so nothing stacks up.
They always had to check every passport, we've always been outside Schengen.
Except that they didn't. Passports so often got waved vaguely in their direction and would be accepted. The busier it got, the less interest in actually looking at them. Now? they *have* to stamp. And the real fun comes when they have to do biometric scans too.
We could negotiate a bilateral agreement to get around that. But won't, because we hold all the cards.
Nonsense. It takes 2-3 seconds.
I tested this "theory" recently in flying to Bulgaria and back. It took me 9 minutes to get through control (same as it's always taken) and there were no discernible differences between me and anyone else.
If only there was some organisation we were members of that would reduce these problems. Oh well.
Tweeting and attacking the French will surely resolve this
I’m not persuaded in the case to join the EU in order to fix the fringe issue of these queues. Like I say, if the French don’t want our tourists then the market will act and in a few years they won’t have them. It’s already made me think twice about that route.
We had Operation Stack, regularly, whenever there was a labour dispute in France.
Rejoiners simply want to argue that all our problems will be solved if we Rejoin because, um, they want us to Rejoin.
I think Operation Stack smoothed out peaks and troughs in a perfectly good system. I think we need plan B now, or Operation "oh, Shit, what have we done?".....
Operation “gosh isn’t Spain lovely this time of year - leave Dover for freight”.
Portsmouth to Santander takes 23 hours.
Harwich to Hook of Holland takes 6 1/2 hours.
Dover-Calais can become a lot less convenient and it will still be the most plausible driving route from England to Europe. Geography- distance and time- wins.
It took us an hour to get out of Santander ferry terminal when we travelled down recently as they had to check and stamp every passport. The good news is that there’s only one arrival every couple of days, so nothing stacks up.
They always had to check every passport, we've always been outside Schengen.
Yep, when I was going back and forward to Holland when my daughter was there on Erasmus my passport was checked every time in both directions before we left. IIRC the delays were never more than about 40 minutes, the worst being back in this country when, like yesterday, there were not enough people checking passports, Border Force on that occasion.
Exactly, the only poor experience I've ever had is at the UK border - returning.
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If he has a problem with the UK's Rwanda policy, perhaps he needs to have a word with himself about his EU's multiyear policy of paying a militia to take them off the Med when en route to Europe and put them in camps in North Africa.
My Grandmother, who I love dearly and hope continues her march to the gates of the tonne, has a similar opinion to the lady mentioned upthread: she paid tax all her life and why should she pay more?
This is, with the greatest respect to dear old Nan, bloody silly and a good example of why our politics is as gerontocratic as it is. She expects and deserves good quality care in her old age. She should get it. One of the tenets of any good socialist should always be “from each according to his ability to each according to his need” but far too many people forget the first bit. I had an argument with my mother about this, as Nan pays for her own social care. However, she regularly attends the GP, has regular medical interventions, was the beneficiary of the vaccine programme and had emergency treatment at an NHS hospital, without which she would be dead.
None of that is cheap, and wealth is heavily distributed towards older people in the UK. Because we tax income and like to use NI to sneakily raise income tax, we massively increase the burden on working people (a shrinking demographic) to pay for social care for the elderly. I don’t mind paying more tax if the burden of public service gets heavier, but I expect work to be done to enhance productivity to compensate and for the elderly to pay their share, rather than expecting to opt out of contributing when they hit 65. That isn’t just or reasonable to the young and the middle aged.
Not arguing it’s better not to use that route, just that we will have to, and France won’t like it much.
It rather reminds me of the French police claiming that blind people in a disabled queue at the Stade were fans to blame for being tear gassed by police.
Gotit.
The only travel problem I've had in the last few years has been flying (back) from Switzerland (non-EU) to the UK because non of the buggers work on a Sunday and it took 2 hours to get checked-in and through control.
Least surprising twist in the leadership contest so far.
That is not me trying to get us to rejoin. But some acknowledgement of the truth would be good.
https://youtu.be/s4p7mIQ4x50
ROFL
We could negotiate a bilateral agreement to get around that. But won't, because we hold all the cards.
If I were French my loins would gird every time I heard La Marseillaise.
A lie is deliberately saying x when you know y. Most of them simply didn't know. Knew that most of us didn't know either. And anyway whatever the problems there would be a concession from the EU because we held all the cards.
Brexit has meant each passport has to be stamped. The extra time needed for this in busy time periods is immense. this then stacks up the busier it gets. In times gone by (before the collective insanity of the silliness called Brexit) they could wave us through when times were busy. No check, no stamp. This was because we were part of this thing called the EU.
After we left the EU, we became, through our own choice (well the choice of 52%) a third country, and therefore the French are obliged (as a result of our choice) to stamp each passport, thus making busy times a lot busier.
Therefore, sorry zealots, it may have been exacerbated by the French (and I am sure the buggers find it very amusing) but it is actually the fault of people who persuaded the a thoroughly gullible section of the population to vote for something totally pointless and without benefit top the average Briton
And before you pile on the nationalistic abuse, thickos, I am not in favour of rejoin. However, I will continue to point out the total stupidity of what you and your silly little Daily Express world, and that you are still being conned by the same bullshitters who fooled you in the first place. Duh!
Time for some lunch./ Sorry I wont be able to read your gammony responses xenophobes!
NEW THREAD
Let the French resolve it, or don't travel to France.
Guardian Aug 2019:
Commons Library 2019 reporting 2017
:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/more-than-half-of-tory-members-would-ruin-party-over-brexit
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05125/SN05125.pdf
I tested this "theory" recently in flying to Bulgaria and back. It took me 9 minutes to get through control (same as it's always taken) and there were no discernible differences between me and anyone else.
I'm tired of Remainer lies.