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Five days on the Next CON leader betting market – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,151
edited July 2022 in General
imageFive days on the Next CON leader betting market – politicalbetting.com

The chart based on trades on the Betfair exchange says it all. The big movement on the next CON leader market has been to the former hot favourite and ex-Chancellor, Rishi Sunak who today launched what looks like a highly professional campaign to succeed Johnson.

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  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    Thems the breaks Mike ...
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,900
    edited July 2022
    First.... nearly
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Sunak's gotten a jump on the rest, even though his personal ratings are no longer sky high. They need to agree core rivals, fast.

    I'd initially wondered if he'd come to an agreement with Javid about backing him. They clearly coordinated their resignations, and Javid has not yet put himself forward formally I think.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    HYUFD said:

    Peston says 1922 cttee will require 20 MP nominations to be a leadership candidate

    Interesting - not even to get on the ballot for the first round, but just to be a candidate at all?

    Going a bit closer to the Labour system, though not all the way.

    Should weed out the Baron/Wiggins/etc also rans.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    Matthew Parris comes out for Sunak


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/only-rishi-sunak-is-smart-enough-for-tough-times-wb2zqf9cn

    I’m not sure how much stock he has in the party, he is hugely discredited by his insane reaction to Brexit, so maybe he has none at all. But he does a good run-through of the candidates. He is adamant that Truss is bonkers, albeit likeable
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    stjohn said:

    There's been a significant shortening of Sunak's price. And he and Javid are clearly working in unison. Maybe Javid isn’t even standing and will lead team Sunak’s campaign - with a view to reclaiming his old job at the Treasury? Sajid’s price has drifted considerably.

    Wallace has also drifted and may not even run?? He is well regarded and has done well at Defence in an extraordinary time for that position. But he hasn’t held any of the 4 major offices of state.

    Mourdant has also drifted and could be too “woke” for the electorate. Tug, having been the big mover yesterday has drifted back a bit. He has never held a senior cabinet position, so he seems to be a leap too far, in my view. And I can’t see why he is admired so much. Seems a bit IDS to me.

    Hunt is very slow out of the traps and is a clear Remainer, which is a big problem with the membership. Zahawi is another with support yesterday who is now drifting. Plus being Chancellor for only a few days surely doesn’t give him the required credentials?

    Truss is shortening in the betting and I think and hope will overhaul Penny as the preferred female.

    I think it may be Sunak v Truss.

    I've backed Truss at approx 11.5.

    I agree. Right now it is Sunak V Truss

    Mordaunt could have been in there, why the F has she been spouting this Woke shit? Silly woman

    We need @HYUFD to tell us who would win between the members, if it is Sunak/Truss
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    Leon said:

    Matthew Parris comes out for Sunak


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/only-rishi-sunak-is-smart-enough-for-tough-times-wb2zqf9cn

    I’m not sure how much stock he has in the party, he is hugely discredited by his insane reaction to Brexit, so maybe he has none at all. But he does a good run-through of the candidates. He is adamant that Truss is bonkers, albeit likeable

    Kiss of death for Sunak, there.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    First person out the door after Sunak and Javid (albeit they were in a minor post) backing Sunak

    Box office. I’m supporting @RishiSunak
    and will do all I can to help speed his entry into Number Ten. #Ready4Rishi

    https://twitter.com/AWMurrison

    Not on the ConHome list yet.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    Leon said:

    Matthew Parris comes out for Sunak


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/only-rishi-sunak-is-smart-enough-for-tough-times-wb2zqf9cn

    I’m not sure how much stock he has in the party, he is hugely discredited by his insane reaction to Brexit, so maybe he has none at all. But he does a good run-through of the candidates. He is adamant that Truss is bonkers, albeit likeable

    As a holder of the one of the great offices of state, Foreign Secretary, one of only two women who have a serious chance in this election, someone who is also popular with Tory party members and is viewed to have been a success in her latest two cabinet positions, I think she has a good chance of being in the final two.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,759
    Jeez that Sunak video is good. Can see that he worked in California for a while. Very much based on the American bios for candidates. Not sure if I have ever seen anything quite as polished this side of the Atlantic.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,842
    Late evening all :)

    I'm sure deals have done, promises made of great offices of state etc, etc.

    The question for the winner is do you want your friends close or your enemies closer in the new Cabinet.
  • I really hope it does end up as Sunak v Truss. My head wants Sunak, for entirely disinterested reasons, while my heart wants Truss.

    Off topic and NSFW-ish but funny, ask Alexa to translate "Boris Johnson carrot coffee bean 100" into Welsh
    Welsh accent responds with what sounds very clearly to be "Boris Johnson moron fuck off ye c*nt"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    stjohn said:

    Leon said:

    Matthew Parris comes out for Sunak


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/only-rishi-sunak-is-smart-enough-for-tough-times-wb2zqf9cn

    I’m not sure how much stock he has in the party, he is hugely discredited by his insane reaction to Brexit, so maybe he has none at all. But he does a good run-through of the candidates. He is adamant that Truss is bonkers, albeit likeable

    As a holder of the one of the great offices of state, Foreign Secretary, one of only two women who have a serious chance in this election, someone who is also popular with Tory party members and is viewed to have been a success in her latest two cabinet positions, I think she has a good chance of being in the final two.
    Parris points out (ironically, given his own views) that she was a passionate Remainer. This will hurt her

    Sunak, of course, was a Leaver

    Right now Sunak is correctly the favourite
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,922
    DavidL said:

    Jeez that Sunak video is good. Can see that he worked in California for a while. Very much based on the American bios for candidates. Not sure if I have ever seen anything quite as polished this side of the Atlantic.

    Does it wipe out all memory of him filling up someone else’s car?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    stjohn said:

    Leon said:

    Matthew Parris comes out for Sunak


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/only-rishi-sunak-is-smart-enough-for-tough-times-wb2zqf9cn

    I’m not sure how much stock he has in the party, he is hugely discredited by his insane reaction to Brexit, so maybe he has none at all. But he does a good run-through of the candidates. He is adamant that Truss is bonkers, albeit likeable

    As a holder of the one of the great offices of state, Foreign Secretary, one of only two women who have a serious chance in this election, someone who is also popular with Tory party members and is viewed to have been a success in her latest two cabinet positions, I think she has a good chance of being in the final two.
    Parris points out (ironically, given his own views) that she was a passionate Remainer. This will hurt her

    Sunak, of course, was a Leaver

    Right now Sunak is correctly the favourite
    Except Tory leavers don’t see it that way.

    They think Sunak is a high-taxer with crypto-Remain tendencies.

    Whereas Truss has successfully proven her Brexity credentials in the Foreign Office.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,728

    I really hope it does end up as Sunak v Truss. My head wants Sunak, for entirely disinterested reasons, while my heart wants Truss.

    Off topic and NSFW-ish but funny, ask Alexa to translate "Boris Johnson carrot coffee bean 100" into Welsh

    Welsh accent responds with what sounds very clearly to be "Boris Johnson moron fuck off ye c*nt"
    Can you get Mr Redwood to mouth that, just to make sure it sounds correct?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,728
    Farooq said:

    I really hope it does end up as Sunak v Truss. My head wants Sunak, for entirely disinterested reasons, while my heart wants Truss.

    Off topic and NSFW-ish but funny, ask Alexa to translate "Boris Johnson carrot coffee bean 100" into Welsh

    Welsh accent responds with what sounds very clearly to be "Boris Johnson moron fuck off ye c*nt"
    Truss? Why? She's a loon, isn't she?
    I knew self-reassignment was a thing, but surely she's presenting herself as very much a quine. If only to fit into the Maggie cosplay theme.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,943
    More than standard English summer fare next week.

    It’s probable that at least one day will exceed 35C, likely Tuesday or Wednesday. That used to be vanishingly rare but happens more often these days.

    Then a cool down on Thursday and Friday to 28-30C before a split in the models between those getting up to 39-40C on Sunday-Monday (more favoured by the ECMWF model) and those slowly cooling things down (more the vibe in the American GFS model).

    But France will see mid 40s and Iberia potentially up to 48C+.

    It’s going to be quite dry heat. Less dangerous than the 2003 heatwave even if hotter on the continent.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,759

    DavidL said:

    Jeez that Sunak video is good. Can see that he worked in California for a while. Very much based on the American bios for candidates. Not sure if I have ever seen anything quite as polished this side of the Atlantic.

    Does it wipe out all memory of him filling up someone else’s car?
    I think that he needs to worry more about his non dom wife and green card as well as being a rather successful merchant banker. He’s still vulnerable in a variety of ways but he’s the man to beat.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    The diamond hard Brexit continuity candidate appears to be Braverman. She'll go long in this contest. May be worth a trading bet?
    Be tough to outflank her on the Right.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,922
    Carnyx said:

    I really hope it does end up as Sunak v Truss. My head wants Sunak, for entirely disinterested reasons, while my heart wants Truss.

    Off topic and NSFW-ish but funny, ask Alexa to translate "Boris Johnson carrot coffee bean 100" into Welsh

    Welsh accent responds with what sounds very clearly to be "Boris Johnson moron fuck off ye c*nt"
    Can you get Mr Redwood to mouth that, just to make sure it sounds correct?
    Shome mishtake in the algorithm, it appears to have translated it into Glaswegian.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,728

    Carnyx said:

    I really hope it does end up as Sunak v Truss. My head wants Sunak, for entirely disinterested reasons, while my heart wants Truss.

    Off topic and NSFW-ish but funny, ask Alexa to translate "Boris Johnson carrot coffee bean 100" into Welsh

    Welsh accent responds with what sounds very clearly to be "Boris Johnson moron fuck off ye c*nt"
    Can you get Mr Redwood to mouth that, just to make sure it sounds correct?
    Shome mishtake in the algorithm, it appears to have translated it into Glaswegian.
    So it does ...
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,963
    edited July 2022
    Farooq said:

    I really hope it does end up as Sunak v Truss. My head wants Sunak, for entirely disinterested reasons, while my heart wants Truss.

    Off topic and NSFW-ish but funny, ask Alexa to translate "Boris Johnson carrot coffee bean 100" into Welsh

    Welsh accent responds with what sounds very clearly to be "Boris Johnson moron fuck off ye c*nt"
    Truss? Why? She's a loon, isn't she?
    I have never seen a single loony thing from Truss, that justifies that reputation.

    She's been holding major Cabinet posts for nearly a decade now, with the greatest criticism of her that people seem to be able to level is that she said "pork markets" and spoke about cheese weirdly in a speech nearly a decade ago. There doesn't seem to be any scandal at all around her handling of any of the offices she's held.

    Plus she seems to fairly consistently hold economically dry and socially liberal views, which I approve of.

    Plus she seems to be one of the few Cabinet Ministers who can seriously think through difficult issues and come up with sensible reforms after doing so. Even many of the critics here of the government's handling of the NI issue seemed to acknowledge her proposals for green lane/red lane handling of NI trade is a reasonable and sensible package of reforms.

    Finally I met her years ago, before the Brexit referendum, and I was very impressed with her. A very smart cookie, an interesting discussion about UK's productivity problems, before it was popular to discuss that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,615
    dixiedean said:

    The diamond hard Brexit continuity candidate appears to be Braverman. She'll go long in this contest. May be worth a trading bet?
    Be tough to outflank her on the Right.

    Sunak and Braverman to the membership. the latter wins as the membership are mostly mad.

    Lab landslide.

    LOL
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    dixiedean said:

    The diamond hard Brexit continuity candidate appears to be Braverman. She'll go long in this contest. May be worth a trading bet?
    Be tough to outflank her on the Right.

    Braverman and Badenoch, et al, are positioning themselves for better jobs in the Cabinet - and to be the next-leader-but-one
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    If the tories go with Truss, they are doomed. She’s also a terrible public speaker
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    A smooth transition from Bellend to Tugend?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    Clearly need to use Meta's new AI for translation rather than google...

    No Language Left Behind (NLLB) is a first-of-its-kind, AI breakthrough project that open-sources models capable of delivering evaluated, high-quality translations directly between 200 languages—including low-resource languages like Asturian, Luganda, Urdu and more

    https://ai.facebook.com/research/no-language-left-behind/

  • dixiedean said:

    The diamond hard Brexit continuity candidate appears to be Braverman. She'll go long in this contest. May be worth a trading bet?
    Be tough to outflank her on the Right.

    Sunak and Braverman to the membership. the latter wins as the membership are mostly mad.

    Lab landslide.

    LOL
    I keep hearing that the members are mad but since they have been given the vote, they have voted for the candidate who got the most MP votes on every occasion bar one. In 2005, they voted 60-40 for IDS but Clarke had a narrow lead amongst the MPs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,706
    edited July 2022
    Wallace and Tugendhat to be the final 2 MPs sent to the membership.

    Sunak to be knocked out in the final round like Portillo in 2001, with Boris lending enough of his supporters to Tugendhat to complete his revenge on Sunak. Boris himself will vote for Wallace as will the bulk of his remaining loyalists
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,959
    Grandchildren tucked up and catching up on tomorrow papers

    The Guardian reporting Rishi already has 80 - 100 backers which I assume is way ahead of anyone else
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    Musk has backed out of the Twitter deal.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287
    I assume (hope) that there will be a couple of TV debates before the MPs choose the two for us members. These could definitely have an impact: I'm thinking particularly about Truss's chances.

    Then a couple of further debates between the two.

    As an activist for almost 40 years, I'd be very cautious at this stage of predicting a Sunak-Truss fight. Could be extremely close.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813

    Musk has backed out of the Twitter deal.

    what again...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,454
    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    I am intrigued how a Rishi PM would affect UK/Indian relations.

    Would there be a weird celebration that the old imperial power was now run by “one of them” and the tables had turned? (That is not in any way meant derogatively).

    Would India bask in it?

    Would it be ignored or a bit of fun?

    But would be fascinating to see how it was received in India under a Hindu nationalist gov.
  • Musk has backed out of the Twitter deal.

    Does that mean he owes Twitter a billion dollars? That seemed an odd clause to have in the original deal, before due diligence was done.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,943
    Braverman would be the absolute worst choice for the Tories. Full on wing-nut, not greatly enamoured by the rule of law, and with objectively less charisma than Keir Starmer. Only Raab would be less electable.

    Sunak and Javid would pose more problems to Labour, though neither is a sure fire vote winner.

    Mordaunt is an unknown but I’m not sure she’ll stand anyway. Wallace, who knows?Tugendhat doesn’t stand a chance. Truss just comes across as faintly ridiculous with her Thatcher thing, fairly or not.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,326
    TimS said:

    More than standard English summer fare next week.

    It’s probable that at least one day will exceed 35C, likely Tuesday or Wednesday. That used to be vanishingly rare but happens more often these days.

    Then a cool down on Thursday and Friday to 28-30C before a split in the models between those getting up to 39-40C on Sunday-Monday (more favoured by the ECMWF model) and those slowly cooling things down (more the vibe in the American GFS model).

    But France will see mid 40s and Iberia potentially up to 48C+.

    It’s going to be quite dry heat. Less dangerous than the 2003 heatwave even if hotter on the continent.

    I’m not convinced it will be much above 32 deg, but you never know.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    JACK_W said:

    Thems the breaks Mike ...

    Are you teaching OGH to drive?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,706
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    Who would be the first elected European leader of an Asian nation? Does it really matter.

    Obama was the first non white leader of the USA but then the USA is a nation mainly composed of immigrants unlike Europe
  • HYUFD said:

    Wallace and Tugendhat to be the final 2 MPs sent to the membership.

    Sunak to be knocked out in the final round like Portillo in 2001, with Boris lending enough of his supporters to Tugendhat to complete his revenge on Sunak. Boris himself will vote for Wallace as will the bulk of his remaining loyalists

    I was thinking yesterday that that could be Tugendhat's only hope. Get enough votes to get to the final 5 and then hope for tactical voting due to being too remain-y for the members. Then hope that the other candidate blows up in some way.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,615
    Derbyshire heading Newsnight is yet another massive f-up by the BBC.

    How many shit decisions can they make in one year?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    Ben Wallace isn’t even going to stand, is he? Nor Javid, I suspect
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,326

    Derbyshire heading Newsnight is yet another massive f-up by the BBC.

    How many shit decisions can they make in one year?

    Without being too coarse, I’ve always suspected she is having relations with someone who makes decisions high up. Can’t think of any other reason for her increasing exposure.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,615
    Leon said:

    Ben Wallace isn’t even going to stand, is he? Nor Javid, I suspect

    I feel a deal has been done.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,728
    edited July 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    Who would be the first European leader of an Asian nation? Does it really matter.

    Obama was the first non white leader of the USA but then the USA is a nation mainly composed of immigrants unlike Europe
    Got news for you. Europeans are *all* immigrants.

    Unless you mean born there. But that doesn't make sense against your US stat.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    The diamond hard Brexit continuity candidate appears to be Braverman. She'll go long in this contest. May be worth a trading bet?
    Be tough to outflank her on the Right.

    Braverman and Badenoch, et al, are positioning themselves for better jobs in the Cabinet - and to be the next-leader-but-one
    Indeed they are. But think back 24 hours. Would you have had Braverman in the top 4?
    Or even top 25?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2022

    Derbyshire heading Newsnight is yet another massive f-up by the BBC.

    How many shit decisions can they make in one year?

    Without being too coarse, I’ve always suspected she is having relations with someone who makes decisions high up. Can’t think of any other reason for her increasing exposure.
    Well......remember how she leap frogged Fi Glover (who was the golden child at R5 at the time).....she was shagging Fi Glover's partner who also worked at the BBC and at the time they had shows that overlapped, Fi Glover couldn't take it and had to step away from her prime gig.



    BBC boss who left radio star wife for presenter Victoria Derbyshire is sacked over claims he sexually harassed a staff member and a probe into his expenses

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706920/BBC-boss-left-radio-star-wife-presenter-Victoria-Derbyshire-sacked-claims-sexually-harassed-staff-member-probe-expenses.html
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287
    HYUFD said:

    Wallace and Tugendhat to be the final 2 MPs sent to the membership.

    Sunak to be knocked out in the final round like Portillo in 2001, with Boris lending enough of his supporters to Tugendhat to complete his revenge on Sunak. Boris himself will vote for Wallace as will the bulk of his remaining loyalists

    I think you're letting your loathing of Sunak grossly affect your judgement here. But we shall see.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,959
    edited July 2022

    Grandchildren tucked up and catching up on tomorrow papers

    The Guardian reporting Rishi already has 80 - 100 backers which I assume is way ahead of anyone else

    I’m impressed that the grandkids are already reading the papers... :D
    I realised I would receive that comment once I had posted it as I have been on this forum for quite a while and should know how it works
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,759
    dixiedean said:

    The diamond hard Brexit continuity candidate appears to be Braverman. She'll go long in this contest. May be worth a trading bet?
    Be tough to outflank her on the Right.

    She is so grossly over promoted as AG it is almost a sick joke. An appointment that was presumably done to make the HS look a little less appalling. It didn’t work of course.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,764
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    I am intrigued how a Rishi PM would affect UK/Indian relations.

    Would there be a weird celebration that the old imperial power was now run by “one of them” and the tables had turned? (That is not in any way meant derogatively).

    Would India bask in it?

    Would it be ignored or a bit of fun?

    But would be fascinating to see how it was received in India under a Hindu nationalist gov.
    Surprisingly, Shinzo Abe's death has led to an official day of mourning in India tomorrow:
    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/shinzo-abe-assassination-india-declares-1-day-state-mourning-after-japan-ex-pm-shinzo-abes-death-3139607
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,492
    Not that much of a surprise that Steve Baker withdraws and supports Suella Braverman.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,764
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD seems desperate for Sunak not to win. Strange.

    He's even more vertically challenged??
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,959
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD seems desperate for Sunak not to win. Strange.

    He has been for a long time and his comments just confirm it
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,502
    Tugendhat would be the wrong choice. He reminds me of a British Marco Rubio.
  • Farooq said:

    HYUFD seems desperate for Sunak not to win. Strange.

    It does make me wonder who is running the HYUFD software to have them so clearly Stop Sunak.

    The software patch if Sunak wins is going to be a laugh though. We have always been at war with Eastasia.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,706

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    I am intrigued how a Rishi PM would affect UK/Indian relations.

    Would there be a weird celebration that the old imperial power was now run by “one of them” and the tables had turned? (That is not in any way meant derogatively).

    Would India bask in it?

    Would it be ignored or a bit of fun?

    But would be fascinating to see how it was received in India under a Hindu nationalist gov.
    Surprisingly, Shinzo Abe's death has led to an official day of mourning in India tomorrow:
    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/shinzo-abe-assassination-india-declares-1-day-state-mourning-after-japan-ex-pm-shinzo-abes-death-3139607
    He was a close ally of Modi
  • Baker backing Braverman is interesting - the looney fringe is getting itself together

    Her v Truss for the ballot
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,959

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD seems desperate for Sunak not to win. Strange.

    It does make me wonder who is running the HYUFD software to have them so clearly Stop Sunak.

    The software patch if Sunak wins is going to be a laugh though. We have always been at war with Eastasia.
    Boris runs it
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,971
    Badenoch has declared
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    JohnO said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wallace and Tugendhat to be the final 2 MPs sent to the membership.

    Sunak to be knocked out in the final round like Portillo in 2001, with Boris lending enough of his supporters to Tugendhat to complete his revenge on Sunak. Boris himself will vote for Wallace as will the bulk of his remaining loyalists

    I think you're letting your loathing of Sunak grossly affect your judgement here. But we shall see.
    It will be funny in the extreme to see HY become a cheerleader for Sunak if he becomes PM.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    edited July 2022
    Deleted. Obvious comment already made.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    edited July 2022
    This is Osbornites (Rishi) versus Populists (Truss), with Remainers (Tugendhat), Trad Tories (Wallace), and ERGers (Braverman) shaping up as the other blocs.

    ERGers will hope to block Rishi and Tugendhat.

    Remainers, and possibly Old Schoolers, will hope to block Truss and Braverman.

    Boris will go for Truss.
    May would go for Wallace.
    Cummings for Rishi.
    Frost for Truss.
    Gove for Rishi or Tugendhat.
    Cameron would go for Tugendhat.
    Osborn for Rishi or Tugendhat.

    Mordaunt needs to grab the Truss vote if she wants to go for it.
  • Grandchildren tucked up and catching up on tomorrow papers

    The Guardian reporting Rishi already has 80 - 100 backers which I assume is way ahead of anyone else

    I’m impressed that the grandkids are already reading the papers... :D
    That sounds a strong number already. If I am correct the magic number to guarantee a place in the members vote is 120 votes (a third of the electorate +1)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,764

    Badenoch has declared

    I stayed at the Badenoch resort in Aviemore way back in 1989.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,326

    Grandchildren tucked up and catching up on tomorrow papers

    The Guardian reporting Rishi already has 80 - 100 backers which I assume is way ahead of anyone else

    I’m impressed that the grandkids are already reading the papers... :D
    I realised I would receive that comment once I had posted it as I have been on this forum for quite a while and should know how it works
    All good fun - no offence intended! Hope you are enjoying their company.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,706
    edited July 2022
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    Who would be the first European leader of an Asian nation? Does it really matter.

    Obama was the first non white leader of the USA but then the USA is a nation mainly composed of immigrants unlike Europe
    Got news for you. Europeans are *all* immigrants.

    Unless you mean born there. But that doesn't make sense against your US stat.
    No they aren't, most Europeans have had European ancestry for at least 1,000 years. As most Asians have had Asian ancestry for at least 1000 years.

    Most US citizens however have European or African or Latin American or Asian ancestry within the last 250 years. The only non immigrant Americans are the native American Indians
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,728
    Farooq said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    I am intrigued how a Rishi PM would affect UK/Indian relations.

    Would there be a weird celebration that the old imperial power was now run by “one of them” and the tables had turned? (That is not in any way meant derogatively).

    Would India bask in it?

    Would it be ignored or a bit of fun?

    But would be fascinating to see how it was received in India under a Hindu nationalist gov.
    Surprisingly, Shinzo Abe's death has led to an official day of mourning in India tomorrow:
    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/shinzo-abe-assassination-india-declares-1-day-state-mourning-after-japan-ex-pm-shinzo-abes-death-3139607
    Is it true that Abe was a nasty little shit? Something about a fascist organisation and defending Japan's war crimes?
    Can't comment on the first bit but this perhaps helps clarify it.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-54216632
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,502
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    Who would be the first European leader of an Asian nation? Does it really matter.

    Obama was the first non white leader of the USA but then the USA is a nation mainly composed of immigrants unlike Europe
    Yes, it matters. And it’s good for Britain’s soft power for us to be seen as a welcoming, non-racist, inclusive and tolerant country: for the very good reason that we REALLY ARE all these things, certainly by the standards of 98% of the countries in the world

    This Woke discourse that Britain is some hot bed of hateful racism really fucks my noodles. We are NOT racist. Not by the standards of history, not by the standards of our peers. We are imperfect. Oh yes we are imperfect. But we are not this Nazi toilet that the Guardian CONSTANTLY tries to portray
    And because that narrative has penetrated progressive opinion on the continent and in the US, having Sunak as PM would confound a lot of people.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    Who would be the first European leader of an Asian nation? Does it really matter.

    Obama was the first non white leader of the USA but then the USA is a nation mainly composed of immigrants unlike Europe
    Yes, it matters. And it’s good for Britain’s soft power for us to be seen as a welcoming, non-racist, inclusive and tolerant country: for the very good reason that we REALLY ARE all these things, certainly by the standards of 98% of the countries in the world

    This Woke discourse that Britain is some hot bed of hateful racism really fucks my noodles. We are NOT racist. Not by the standards of history, not by the standards of our peers. We are imperfect. Oh yes we are imperfect. But we are not this Nazi toilet that the Guardian CONSTANTLY tries to portray
    A top team of Sunak, Javid and Zahawi will drive kimono fox killer absolutely bat shit crazy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    Who would be the first European leader of an Asian nation? Does it really matter.

    Obama was the first non white leader of the USA but then the USA is a nation mainly composed of immigrants unlike Europe
    Yes, it matters. And it’s good for Britain’s soft power for us to be seen as a welcoming, non-racist, inclusive and tolerant country: for the very good reason that we REALLY ARE all these things, certainly by the standards of 98% of the countries in the world

    This Woke discourse that Britain is some hot bed of hateful racism really fucks my noodles. We are NOT racist. Not by the standards of history, not by the standards of our peers. We are imperfect. Oh yes we are imperfect. But we are not this Nazi toilet that the Guardian CONSTANTLY tries to portray
    And because that narrative has penetrated progressive opinion on the continent and in the US, having Sunak as PM would confound a lot of people.
    Yes, the New York Times would probably prolapse as it tried to contort itself around the fact that racist Brexity Britain has…. An Indian prime minister? and everyone is totally cool with that?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,492

    Badenoch has declared

    Who's she supporting?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,502
    As Badenoch was Theresa May's protégée, she may get a heavyweight endorsement.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Grandchildren tucked up and catching up on tomorrow papers

    The Guardian reporting Rishi already has 80 - 100 backers which I assume is way ahead of anyone else

    They're going for a coronation. But it's not worth the whines. Just make sure the second candidate is acceptable, and the members can have their say.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    Leon said:

    stjohn said:

    Leon said:

    Matthew Parris comes out for Sunak


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/only-rishi-sunak-is-smart-enough-for-tough-times-wb2zqf9cn

    I’m not sure how much stock he has in the party, he is hugely discredited by his insane reaction to Brexit, so maybe he has none at all. But he does a good run-through of the candidates. He is adamant that Truss is bonkers, albeit likeable

    As a holder of the one of the great offices of state, Foreign Secretary, one of only two women who have a serious chance in this election, someone who is also popular with Tory party members and is viewed to have been a success in her latest two cabinet positions, I think she has a good chance of being in the final two.
    Parris points out (ironically, given his own views) that she was a passionate Remainer. This will hurt her

    Sunak, of course, was a Leaver

    Right now Sunak is correctly the favourite
    Yes she was. But since the vote she has been the best example of someone accepting the result. As International Trade Secretary she secured a number of high profile trade agreements. On Newsnight the other night the "experts" opined that the next Tory leader had to be a Brexiteer. I disagree. The best choice would be a Remainer who has accepted and embraced the result.

    In Liz we Truss.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,759
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    If he gets the Saj on board in exchange for the Chancellorship I think that he becomes unstoppable. I also think that the UK could do a hell of a lot worse given the coming economic crisis.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,848
    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    Surely you are able to reassure him that if you have a size deficiency you just have to try harder to make up for it in other ways?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    JohnO said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wallace and Tugendhat to be the final 2 MPs sent to the membership.

    Sunak to be knocked out in the final round like Portillo in 2001, with Boris lending enough of his supporters to Tugendhat to complete his revenge on Sunak. Boris himself will vote for Wallace as will the bulk of his remaining loyalists

    I think you're letting your loathing of Sunak grossly affect your judgement here. But we shall see.
    The theory that boris loyalists are a meaningful bloc is bizarre. Who are they (other than HYUFD)? I can't see even nads/jrm sticking with him once it is clear there is no profit in doing so
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734
    edited July 2022
    JohnO said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wallace and Tugendhat to be the final 2 MPs sent to the membership.

    Sunak to be knocked out in the final round like Portillo in 2001, with Boris lending enough of his supporters to Tugendhat to complete his revenge on Sunak. Boris himself will vote for Wallace as will the bulk of his remaining loyalists

    I think you're letting your loathing of Sunak grossly affect your judgement here. But we shall see.
    Who is your favoured candidate at the moment John? (I think I've asked you before, though with apologies I can't remember the answer - Hunt? If I'm right, is it still the case?)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,728
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    Who would be the first European leader of an Asian nation? Does it really matter.

    Obama was the first non white leader of the USA but then the USA is a nation mainly composed of immigrants unlike Europe
    Got news for you. Europeans are *all* immigrants.

    Unless you mean born there. But that doesn't make sense against your US stat.
    No they aren't, most Europeans have had European ancestry for at least 1,000 years. As most Asians have had Asian ancestry for at least 1000 years.

    Most US citizens however have European or African or Latin American or Asian ancestry within the last 200 years. The only non immigrant Americans are the native American Indians
    Oh? So most US citizens's lines suddenly pop iunto existence 200 years ago? Huge if true.

    Plus you didn't say anything about timing.

    I've got even more news for ytou. This chap Mr Darwin wrote some interesting books a centiry or two ago. His successors have shown that all non-African humans are immigrants from Africa.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,959

    Grandchildren tucked up and catching up on tomorrow papers

    The Guardian reporting Rishi already has 80 - 100 backers which I assume is way ahead of anyone else

    I’m impressed that the grandkids are already reading the papers... :D
    I realised I would receive that comment once I had posted it as I have been on this forum for quite a while and should know how it works
    All good fun - no offence intended! Hope you are enjoying their company.
    Of course no offence taken - indeed here is me criticising Biden for his silly teleprompt mistake, and I of a similar age have not learnt English properly yet !!!!!

    As you say all good fun and our grandchildren are the centre of our world with no 5 due on the 1st September the date Rishi travels to the Palace (maybe)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,492

    Baker backing Braverman is interesting - the looney fringe is getting itself together

    Her v Truss for the ballot

    Why is Braverman a loony?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    JohnO said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wallace and Tugendhat to be the final 2 MPs sent to the membership.

    Sunak to be knocked out in the final round like Portillo in 2001, with Boris lending enough of his supporters to Tugendhat to complete his revenge on Sunak. Boris himself will vote for Wallace as will the bulk of his remaining loyalists

    I think you're letting your loathing of Sunak grossly affect your judgement here. But we shall see.
    I have no clue how the MPs will go, but I am confused by the idea of Boris loyalists. Now he is no longer leader of the party they cannot back him so if guided by him are more supporters than loyalists I'd have thought.

    If they cause trouble for the new leader they are not party loyalists, they are rebels from then on. Which is fine, its ok to be a member of the awkward squad.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,754
    From the Guardian:

    Former equalities minister Kemi Badenoch, who resigned from government two days ago, has announced she will be joining the running to be Boris Johnson’s successor.

    She told the Times she would radically cut the size of the state and provide a “limited government focused on essentials”.

    I wonder where that would leave the Red Wall and the Levelling Up agenda?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,706
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    If the Tories go for Sunak, it would make Britain the first significant western country to have an Asian as leader

    That’s not a small thing. It is also a good thing. It shows that Britain really is inclusive, and you can go places, whoever you are. That’s a great signal to send out

    Also, it shoots a load of Labour foxes. It will be much harder for Starmer, facing Sunak

    I am tending Sunak’s way, I just wish he was 5 inches taller

    Who would be the first European leader of an Asian nation? Does it really matter.

    Obama was the first non white leader of the USA but then the USA is a nation mainly composed of immigrants unlike Europe
    Got news for you. Europeans are *all* immigrants.

    Unless you mean born there. But that doesn't make sense against your US stat.
    No they aren't, most Europeans have had European ancestry for at least 1,000 years. As most Asians have had Asian ancestry for at least 1000 years.

    Most US citizens however have European or African or Latin American or Asian ancestry within the last 200 years. The only non immigrant Americans are the native American Indians
    Oh? So most US citizens's lines suddenly pop iunto existence 200 years ago? Huge if true.

    Plus you didn't say anything about timing.

    I've got even more news for ytou. This chap Mr Darwin wrote some interesting books a centiry or two ago. His successors have shown that all non-African humans are immigrants from Africa.
    So what that doesn't change the fact most citizens of the nation of the USA are descended from immigrants and most citizens of European and Asian and African nations are not. Those nations being created centuries after humans moved out of Africa
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,326

    Grandchildren tucked up and catching up on tomorrow papers

    The Guardian reporting Rishi already has 80 - 100 backers which I assume is way ahead of anyone else

    I’m impressed that the grandkids are already reading the papers... :D
    I realised I would receive that comment once I had posted it as I have been on this forum for quite a while and should know how it works
    All good fun - no offence intended! Hope you are enjoying their company.
    Of course no offence taken - indeed here is me criticising Biden for his silly teleprompt mistake, and I of a similar age have not learnt English properly yet !!!!!

    As you say all good fun and our grandchildren are the centre of our world with no 5 due on the 1st September the date Rishi travels to the Palace (maybe)
    I love having you on the forum. You are a couple of years younger than my dad, and he needs his wife to do anything internet related.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Now, we all expect a new leader to cull plenty of members from the current Cabinet. But will the new leader go scorched earth with the fired like May? Will there be some big beasts they fear to remove? Who staying in would we consider to be a sign the new leader is a bad 'in?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    Where is Priti in all this?

    Offering support on condition she remains Home Secretary?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited July 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Baker backing Braverman is interesting - the looney fringe is getting itself together

    Her v Truss for the ballot

    Why is Braverman a loony?
    not a question which would be asked by anyone paying any attention

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo5dnxw2PGc&ab_channel=PoliticsJOE

    https://www.indy100.com/politics/suella-braverman-attorney-general-protocol
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,706
    kle4 said:

    Grandchildren tucked up and catching up on tomorrow papers

    The Guardian reporting Rishi already has 80 - 100 backers which I assume is way ahead of anyone else

    They're going for a coronation. But it's not worth the whines. Just make sure the second candidate is acceptable, and the members can have their say.
    80 to 100 is not even a third of the parliamentary party, let alone a clear majority.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,281
    edited July 2022
    kle4 said:

    Grandchildren tucked up and catching up on tomorrow papers

    The Guardian reporting Rishi already has 80 - 100 backers which I assume is way ahead of anyone else

    They're going for a coronation. But it's not worth the whines. Just make sure the second candidate is acceptable, and the members can have their say.
    He's certainly stolen a march on Truss while she was out of the country.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,959
    edited July 2022
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Grandchildren tucked up and catching up on tomorrow papers

    The Guardian reporting Rishi already has 80 - 100 backers which I assume is way ahead of anyone else

    They're going for a coronation. But it's not worth the whines. Just make sure the second candidate is acceptable, and the members can have their say.
    80 to 100 is not even a third of the parliamentary party, let alone a clear majority.

    You are beginning to sound desperate Boris - sorry @HYUFD
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    IshmaelZ said:

    JohnO said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wallace and Tugendhat to be the final 2 MPs sent to the membership.

    Sunak to be knocked out in the final round like Portillo in 2001, with Boris lending enough of his supporters to Tugendhat to complete his revenge on Sunak. Boris himself will vote for Wallace as will the bulk of his remaining loyalists

    I think you're letting your loathing of Sunak grossly affect your judgement here. But we shall see.
    The theory that boris loyalists are a meaningful bloc is bizarre. Who are they (other than HYUFD)? I can't see even nads/jrm sticking with him once it is clear there is no profit in doing so
    They might well have really liked him and his leadership. But he won't be the next leader, what reason is there to be loyal to him after that? We'd think it ridiculous for people to be loyal to Peter Bone or Theresa May to name but two random backbenchers.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295

    From the Guardian:

    Former equalities minister Kemi Badenoch, who resigned from government two days ago, has announced she will be joining the running to be Boris Johnson’s successor.

    She told the Times she would radically cut the size of the state and provide a “limited government focused on essentials”.

    I wonder where that would leave the Red Wall and the Levelling Up agenda?

    It’s already dead so…deader than dead?
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