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Kaboom! Javid resigns once more, but is he first of many? – politicalbetting.com

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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,041
    Raab staying put
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    glw said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow, lets do this! Get the c*** out!

    Is that you saying that or are you quoting Truss?
    Penny for her thoughts at the moment...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719

    Sunak's letter is fascinating.

    It sounds like Johnson wanted to splash the cash next week and Sunak has refused.

    Blimey yes.

    He has gone over policy.

    Javid gone over ethics.

    Double act as I said earlier.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    This is Labour worst nightmare

    It really isn't

    Boris staying on was ideal for them, but they still get the 2nd prize, total turmoil in the Tory Party

    OTOH Starmer may yet get a FPN
    Talk about icing on the cake for excitement - PM goes, but the LOTO has already promised to resign if X happens. Step up Sir Ed wotsisname?
    Starmer going would be good for the UK

    We need to draw the Brexit poison, finally. Boris going is half the job. Starmer the 2nd Voter needs to go as well

    Then perhaps we can all - at last - move on. A new generation
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    This is Labour's worst nightmare

    No, they got rid of their last leader.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    ohnotnow said:
    Key sentence - he’s been opposing the clown privately while backing him publicly.

    Hat still in the ring…
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    RH1992 said:
    Even then not necessarily fatal, Sunak is now clearly on the left of the party
    But a flesh wound

    That is a killer letter. Nothing about Pincher and lying, exclusively says you can't be trusted with economy

    Actum est de puero pinguido
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874

    This is Labour worst nightmare

    Really?

    However desperate the news for the Conservatives, we can always rely on someone to offer a more positive spin.

    This is the catastrophic implosion of a Conservative Government, Cabinet and Party - but apparently it's bad news for Labour.

    Even if there's a new leader, the economic headwinds are still there. I suspect it won't be much of an inheritance for the next non-Conservative Government.

    Presumably IF Sunak gets the top leader, Javid will be Chancellor and perhaps Dowden will get a senior role.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    I assume we can expect one of two things from HY once he receives his instructions from whoever is left in Downing Street:
    1. Sunak and Javid were never real Tories
    2. Johnson has a majority of 80 and the public's opinion doesn't matter
    3. Anyway he is safe for a year
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Better late than never.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Leon said:

    By election in Uxbridge is a certainty

    Indeed. No way he stays in the Commons as a backbencher. Off to earn shagloads of cash
    I doubt he will even stay for the leadership contest.
    My caretaker May prediction looks fucking spot on now
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    It's probably a good time now for Durham Police to issue Starmer and Rayner with their FPNs! ;-)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Johnson out by morning. In fact, possibly by 9pm.

    He cannot survive this.
    Unless they have the votes amongst Tory MPs to remove him he will, he is as stubborn as Corbyn and Trump and will just appoint a new Health Secretary and Chancellor
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Taz said:

    ‘Pincher Movement’ !! Very good

    The next thread is going to be headlined with 'The cabinet are revolting as they prepare to get their Johnson out'
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    “Dominic Raab is loyal to the prime minister”

    He has nothing to lose now that he’s losing his seat at the next election
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Pincher for chancellor?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    Sky News made the point that Javid is mates with Carrie. Has she finally had enough of BJ?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    glw said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow, lets do this! Get the c*** out!

    Is that you saying that or are you quoting Truss?
    Do you mean the blond growler?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    TOPPING said:

    I'm on Raab next Cons leader. Betting doesn't seem to have moved. What are the rules/criteria?

    You have a position where you don't know the rules ?

    I know, we've all been there.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719

    Raab staying put

    To be honest, he probably should as Deputy PM as it is clear there is going to be need of an interim.

    Although all a bit murky as there is no such role in constitution.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    Yep, gone before PMQs, maybe.
    I for one want him gone, and I am a Con supporter.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    Truss has been totally outmanoeuvred here. Bless her.

    Not if she gets appointed Chancellor, Boris clings on for a while longer, and she repeats John Major's trajectory from Foreign Secretary to Number 10.
    I do wish you wouldn't say 'cling on'. It reminds me of the old Mr Spock joke.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592
    kle4 said:

    It's barely 2.5 years since the GE, which he won handsomely. Covid disrupted his intended plans, but also meant 'normal' politics was more or less suspended.

    How the heck has he gotten himself in a position where a majority of backbenchers and now many in the Cabinet want him out? No one who wins that big should make themselves so vulnerable.

    It's worse than that: a year ago the Conservatives were well ahead of Labour. The blows that have laid him low were totally self-inflicted, and also the sort of stuff that got him in trouble *before* he became PM.

    The only surprising this about his fall is people's evident surprise that it happened this way. The Garden Bridge debacle showed many of the same character flaws that have led him to this position.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    The rebel alliance?

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652

    Truss has been totally outmanoeuvred here. Bless her.

    Not if she gets appointed Chancellor, Boris clings on for a while longer, and she repeats John Major's trajectory from Foreign Secretary to Number 10.

    Anyone who sticks with Johnson now will be utterly contaminated.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    darkage said:

    Pincher for chancellor?

    If I were Ellis I would be pretty pissed off if I didn't get a big promotion. Even if it did last a week.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Bloody hell!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.

    Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.

    Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.

    Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    I assume we can expect one of two things from HY once he receives his instructions from whoever is left in Downing Street:
    1. Sunak and Javid were never real Tories
    2. Johnson has a majority of 80 and the public's opinion doesn't matter
    3. Anyway he is safe for a year

    Tomorrow Nadine will be chancellor, and Bone in charge of our health…
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901

    “Dominic Raab is loyal to the prime minister”

    He has nothing to lose now that he’s losing his seat at the next election

    Raab will be Prime Minister shortly. Once Boris is thrust onto the erect phallus of the political sword, he will quit. Not just as PM, as an MP. Gone. So Raab becomes PM by means of being deputy PM whilst the Tories do a leadership slaughter.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    kle4 said:

    The rebel alliance?

    Don't give Disney+ ideas.....
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Betfair Boris out in 2022 now 1.1.

    I am on for a pitiful sum at 4. The one slender bulwark of my fortune after a disastrous year backing Boris out by x date
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994
    Omnium said:

    This is Labour worst nightmare

    Perhaps G bloke, but it's not far off a Tory nightmare and this one is real!
    Would be a cause of Labour discomfort if there were an obvious star waiting in the wings. But there’s not. There are loonies even less respected than Boris, and then there are half competent people whose austerity era economic ideas are totally at odds with public opinion.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    This is Labour worst nightmare

    It really isn't

    Boris staying on was ideal for them, but they still get the 2nd prize, total turmoil in the Tory Party

    OTOH Starmer may yet get a FPN
    Talk about icing on the cake for excitement - PM goes, but the LOTO has already promised to resign if X happens. Step up Sir Ed wotsisname?
    I think Davey is a lovely name....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    My sources tell me that Steve Barclay is likely to be the next Chancellor.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594

    “Dominic Raab is loyal to the prime minister”

    He has nothing to lose now that he’s losing his seat at the next election

    Raab is maybe thinking he/she who wields the knife never wears the crown?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,041
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Johnson out by morning. In fact, possibly by 9pm.

    He cannot survive this.
    Unless they have the votes amongst Tory MPs to remove him he will, he is as stubborn as Corbyn and Trump and will just appoint a new Health Secretary and Chancellor
    Not a chance

    When will you accept it is over for Johnson
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Leon said:

    Why would you STAY in the Cabinet now?

    Anyone who does looks like a craven fool

    More than they did before, you mean ?
  • Tree Frog, Mad Nad, Bone, Fabricunt and Raab - he doesn’t need anymore of a cabinet than that
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    I reckon Priti Patel might also resign?

    I think she has looked thoroughly pissed off with Johnson.

    I wouldn't now rule out Sunak for the top spot. @BartholomewRoberts would be very pleased!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    I assume we can expect one of two things from HY once he receives his instructions from whoever is left in Downing Street:
    1. Sunak and Javid were never real Tories
    2. Johnson has a majority of 80 and the public's opinion doesn't matter
    3. Anyway he is safe for a year

    ...that's three things.

    But in fact I think he might surprise us. If the winds have changed so dramatically, he knows what the party needs to do.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,761

    kle4 said:

    It's barely 2.5 years since the GE, which he won handsomely. Covid disrupted his intended plans, but also meant 'normal' politics was more or less suspended.

    How the heck has he gotten himself in a position where a majority of backbenchers and now many in the Cabinet want him out? No one who wins that big should make themselves so vulnerable.

    It's worse than that: a year ago the Conservatives were well ahead of Labour. The blows that have laid him low were totally self-inflicted, and also the sort of stuff that got him in trouble *before* he became PM.

    The only surprising this about his fall is people's evident surprise that it happened this way. The Garden Bridge debacle showed many of the same character flaws that have led him to this position.
    Handed a 20% lead, and delivered a catastrophe. I'm sure his publishers can handle it.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,041
    jayfdee said:

    Yep, gone before PMQs, maybe.
    I for one want him gone, and I am a Con supporter.

    And me
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Omnium said:

    kle4 said:

    It's barely 2.5 years since the GE, which he won handsomely. Covid disrupted his intended plans, but also meant 'normal' politics was more or less suspended.

    How the heck has he gotten himself in a position where a majority of backbenchers and now many in the Cabinet want him out? No one who wins that big should make themselves so vulnerable.

    It's worse than that: a year ago the Conservatives were well ahead of Labour. The blows that have laid him low were totally self-inflicted, and also the sort of stuff that got him in trouble *before* he became PM.

    The only surprising this about his fall is people's evident surprise that it happened this way. The Garden Bridge debacle showed many of the same character flaws that have led him to this position.
    Handed a 20% lead, and delivered a catastrophe. I'm sure his publishers can handle it.
    I'd be more interested in Mrs J's memoirs.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Kwarteng ties himself to the Tiranics last funnel
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,652
    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.

    Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.

    Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.

    Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
    We can just be hopeful of a repeat...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    Text from President Zelenskyy: “Oh God, he’s going to want to do another visit, isn’t he? We’ve got a lot going on over here at the moment TBH”

    https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/1544372281522126849?s=20&t=5E0h9OzckhlXY16bNNSIoQ
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.

    Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.

    Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.

    Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
    Calm yerself

    Boris is not Thatcher. Starmer is not Blair

    If Labour scrape a NOM win in 2024 and have to govern in the face of economic storms, while riven by Woke madness, I can easily see the Tories romping back in 2028

    Besides, Boris was leading your team to terrible defeat, anyway. Look at Tiverton
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Source close to Jacob Rees-Mogg confirms he is NOT quitting Cabinet

    "Jacob is standing firm with the PM"


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1544371083503190017
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Omnium said:

    kle4 said:

    It's barely 2.5 years since the GE, which he won handsomely. Covid disrupted his intended plans, but also meant 'normal' politics was more or less suspended.

    How the heck has he gotten himself in a position where a majority of backbenchers and now many in the Cabinet want him out? No one who wins that big should make themselves so vulnerable.

    It's worse than that: a year ago the Conservatives were well ahead of Labour. The blows that have laid him low were totally self-inflicted, and also the sort of stuff that got him in trouble *before* he became PM.

    The only surprising this about his fall is people's evident surprise that it happened this way. The Garden Bridge debacle showed many of the same character flaws that have led him to this position.
    Handed a 20% lead, and delivered a catastrophe. I'm sure his publishers can handle it.
    Rot set in with the Paterson saga, IIRC.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Nat King Cole - The Party's Over
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l12iPj-TQrM
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288

    Source close to Jacob Rees-Mogg confirms he is NOT quitting Cabinet

    "Jacob is standing firm with the PM"


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1544371083503190017

    The Downfall Parody writes itself. JRM is Goebbels in the Bunker
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    “Dominic Raab is loyal to the prime minister”

    He has nothing to lose now that he’s losing his seat at the next election

    You're right. His reputation went south some time since.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    edited July 2022

    Source close to Jacob Rees-Mogg confirms he is NOT quitting Cabinet

    "Jacob is standing firm with the PM"


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1544371083503190017

    He will promote Dorries to chancellor and Rees-Mogg to Heath
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Priti stays
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.

    Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.

    Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.

    Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
    That even now you don't get it speaks a lot about your own values.

    It isn't just about "he won an election". You're supposed to be a Christian. Which means you are supposed to have a deep-rooted understanding of right and wrong. So why don't you?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited July 2022
    Heathener said:

    I reckon Priti Patel might also resign?

    I think she has looked thoroughly pissed off with Johnson.

    I wouldn't now rule out Sunak for the top spot. @BartholomewRoberts would be very pleased!

    Near zero chance of that, Wallace trounced Sunak 59% to 25% in this week's Conhome survey, Truss beat Sunak 50% to 35% and Mordaunt beat Sunak 58% to 33% and it is Tory members and Tory members alone who get the final say on the next PM and Tory leader if Johnson goes

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/04/next-tory-leader-play-offs-sixth-rishi-sunak/
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,761
    Heathener said:

    I reckon Priti Patel might also resign?

    I think she has looked thoroughly pissed off with Johnson.

    I wouldn't now rule out Sunak for the top spot. @BartholomewRoberts would be very pleased!

    Well she has some (few) fans. I would genuinely like to see her as next PM.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Whilst you lot are watching the news, Cameron is about to serve for the 4th set.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Some Tory MPs now speculating Boris might try to bring recess forward to head off new contest.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    kle4 said:

    It's barely 2.5 years since the GE, which he won handsomely. Covid disrupted his intended plans, but also meant 'normal' politics was more or less suspended.

    How the heck has he gotten himself in a position where a majority of backbenchers and now many in the Cabinet want him out? No one who wins that big should make themselves so vulnerable.

    It's worse than that: a year ago the Conservatives were well ahead of Labour. The blows that have laid him low were totally self-inflicted, and also the sort of stuff that got him in trouble *before* he became PM.

    The only surprising this about his fall is people's evident surprise that it happened this way. The Garden Bridge debacle showed many of the same character flaws that have led him to this position.
    It feels a bit like Corbyn in that the same attacks which didn't work in 2017 worked in 2019, as the atmosphere was very different (yes Brexit was a big part of it too).

    Boris has always been very flawed, but he also brought enthusiasm, a certain boosterist vision (albeit a confused one). But for whatever reason since a little before the Paterson debacle (which remains a shameful episode for all involved), it has begin to really stick.

    He retains fans, and people who fear a replacement cannot match his appeal in the Red Wall. But MPs since sick of his chaotic shit.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    At this stage, if you’re a Cabinet Minister with hopes of a post-Boris career, why wouldn’t you resign this evening too? You don’t want to be left alone standing next to Dorries and Mogg.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,332
    Men in grey suits will swing this. I know Boris is one of those who will be inclined to slug it out until he is voted out by his own party, but even he knows the bunker walls are crumbling.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Priti stays

    Loyalist candidate in the leadership contest.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,962

    Truss has been totally outmanoeuvred here. Bless her.

    Not if she gets appointed Chancellor, Boris clings on for a while longer, and she repeats John Major's trajectory from Foreign Secretary to Number 10.

    Anyone who sticks with Johnson now will be utterly contaminated.
    The question is how contaminated will the whole bunch be that stuck with him for months & months under a constant stream of sewage from the broken BJ soil pipe.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    "On behalf of Her Majesty, the Office of the PM announces the appointment of Peppa Pig as Chancellor of the Exchequer."
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361

    My sources tell me that Steve Barclay is likely to be the next Chancellor.

    Interesting. I thought he was the biggest of the Sunak allies. Perhaps he's been asked to stay on and mind the shop to make sure Johnson didn't do anything too wrong in his final days.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    This is Labour worst nightmare

    It really isn't

    Boris staying on was ideal for them, but they still get the 2nd prize, total turmoil in the Tory Party

    OTOH Starmer may yet get a FPN
    Talk about icing on the cake for excitement - PM goes, but the LOTO has already promised to resign if X happens. Step up Sir Ed wotsisname?
    I think Davey is a lovely name....
    I was only teasing, I like Davey.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288

    Truss has been totally outmanoeuvred here. Bless her.

    Not if she gets appointed Chancellor, Boris clings on for a while longer, and she repeats John Major's trajectory from Foreign Secretary to Number 10.

    Anyone who sticks with Johnson now will be utterly contaminated.
    Ergo: it will only be people who think they have no chance in a new Tory Cabinet

    JRM, Dorries, of course. Kwarteng is a surprise
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Johnson out by morning. In fact, possibly by 9pm.

    He cannot survive this.
    Unless they have the votes amongst Tory MPs to remove him he will, he is as stubborn as Corbyn and Trump and will just appoint a new Health Secretary and Chancellor
    Not a chance

    When will you accept it is over for Johnson
    When he either resigns or loses a VONC
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Hah


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    edited July 2022
    Applicant said:

    Whilst you lot are watching the news, Cameron is about to serve for the 4th set.

    Is Dave playing with a Russian Oligarch again?
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    Applicant said:

    Whilst you lot are watching the news, Cameron is about to serve for the 4th set.

    David Cameron...??
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    2 sets all.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    biggles said:

    At this stage, if you’re a Cabinet Minister with hopes of a post-Boris career, why wouldn’t you resign this evening too? You don’t want to be left alone standing next to Dorries and Mogg.

    Give them an hour to write their letters etc .........
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,790
    Good evening, everyone.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    Leon said:

    Truss has been totally outmanoeuvred here. Bless her.

    Not if she gets appointed Chancellor, Boris clings on for a while longer, and she repeats John Major's trajectory from Foreign Secretary to Number 10.

    Anyone who sticks with Johnson now will be utterly contaminated.
    Ergo: it will only be people who think they have no chance in a new Tory Cabinet

    JRM, Dorries, of course. Kwarteng is a surprise
    Truss?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    Truss has been totally outmanoeuvred here. Bless her.

    Not if she gets appointed Chancellor, Boris clings on for a while longer, and she repeats John Major's trajectory from Foreign Secretary to Number 10.

    Anyone who sticks with Johnson now will be utterly contaminated.
    Ergo: it will only be people who think they have no chance in a new Tory Cabinet

    JRM, Dorries, of course. Kwarteng is a surprise
    Kwarteng is very surprising, as he was never first choice for any job under Boris, so despite being a Brexit supporter isn't one of Boris Boys.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,652

    Good evening, everyone.

    It is definitely improving!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Good evening, everyone.

    Quiet one
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    Just come in from the garden. Feck about!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Is Boris really clinging on??

    Wallace must surely resign
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.

    Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.

    Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.

    Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
    Maybe by then you will have learned to put the country’s health and prosperity ahead of your party’s narrow and petty political obsessions?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    One -two punch.
    Propriety.
    Policy.
    Not getting up.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    Some Tory MPs now speculating Boris might try to bring recess forward to head off new contest.

    That was posted earlier today because I remember joking about it...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    “Dominic Raab is loyal to the prime minister”

    He has nothing to lose now that he’s losing his seat at the next election

    Raab will be Prime Minister shortly. Once Boris is thrust onto the erect phallus of the political sword, he will quit. Not just as PM, as an MP. Gone. So Raab becomes PM by means of being deputy PM whilst the Tories do a leadership slaughter.
    Whilst it has been noted to death that just because he is deputy PM there is no reason he must become PM in the event of the PM suddenly going, I'm not sure who else the Queen would be advised to pick in such a scenario among the current crop of MPs. May would be an obvious choice as a temporary one, but would be a bit political of a choice.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    MISTY said:

    Leon said:

    Truss has been totally outmanoeuvred here. Bless her.

    Not if she gets appointed Chancellor, Boris clings on for a while longer, and she repeats John Major's trajectory from Foreign Secretary to Number 10.

    Anyone who sticks with Johnson now will be utterly contaminated.
    Ergo: it will only be people who think they have no chance in a new Tory Cabinet

    JRM, Dorries, of course. Kwarteng is a surprise
    Truss?
    "100% behind the PM"
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,041
    Truss staying
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    JRM will be CotE. Short of PM I doubt there is any job he wants more.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Yokes said:

    Men in grey suits will swing this. I know Boris is one of those who will be inclined to slug it out until he is voted out by his own party, but even he knows the bunker walls are crumbling.

    Time for those Downfall parodies.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    MISTY said:

    “Dominic Raab is loyal to the prime minister”

    He has nothing to lose now that he’s losing his seat at the next election

    Raab is maybe thinking he/she who wields the knife never wears the crown?
    Yet there are lots of politicians with no cutlery in their hands who never got any dinner.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,358
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the end. What the hell took them so long? It's not as though we've learnt anything about Boris this week that we didn't know last month, or last year, or in 2019 when he was chosen as leader.

    Still, it's progress. Getting rid of him is the necessary first stage - but only the first stage - of putting things right.

    Yes, back to opposition, probably for at least a decade if not more.

    Last time the Tories toppled an election winning PM, Thatcher in 1990, they lost 3 out of 4 of the following general elections and it took them until Boris in 2019 to win a big majority again
    Maybe by then you will have learned to put the country’s health and prosperity ahead of your party’s narrow and petty political obsessions?
    Even from a purely partisan viewpoint, the Conservatives would be well rid of him.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Great photo on the BBC of Boris - looks stunned and hurt.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited July 2022
    Truss, Patel, Wallace, Kwarteng declare loyalty.
    Bonkers. He'll try to hold on if it's only two.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Jeez

    The worst possible result for everyone in the UK is that Boris stays on, bleeding out in Number 10

    Enough! Get rid! And I am a Leaver that liked Boris
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    What's more important is that the next PM inherits a lot of power with a 74 seat majority. More than enough to implement policies that might bring them back into play. Labour must be praying for a miracle right now.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Leon said:

    Truss has been totally outmanoeuvred here. Bless her.

    Not if she gets appointed Chancellor, Boris clings on for a while longer, and she repeats John Major's trajectory from Foreign Secretary to Number 10.

    Anyone who sticks with Johnson now will be utterly contaminated.
    Ergo: it will only be people who think they have no chance in a new Tory Cabinet

    JRM, Dorries, of course. Kwarteng is a surprise
    Kwarteng is very surprising, as he was never first choice for any job under Boris, so despite being a Brexit supporter isn't Boris inner circle.
    Usually someone in the inner (or magic) circle who wields the dagger.

    Was the Roman way. And is still the Tory way (as with Sir Anthony and Maggie back in their day)?
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