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Now Grant Shapps is being talked up as BoJo’s successor – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,162
edited July 2022 in General
Now Grant Shapps is being talked up as BoJo’s successor – politicalbetting.com

Why Tory MPs are talking up @grantshapps as next Tory leader:?unites party with attacks on Labour over strikes ?Tory chairman when party won 2015 elxn ?won his seat from Labour ? one of best media performers in Cabinet?economic+social liberal https://t.co/fYlffeLYgQ

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  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,904
    edited June 2022
    First..... And a thought.... Shapps has the qualities that Johnson lacks..... you say..... such as honesty perhaps????? I don't think so.....
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    The politician otherwise known as Michael Green?
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    "Liberal"? Jesus wept. Free beer and bingo maybe.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    There is no question to which "Grant Shapps" is a sensible answer
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    I like Grant, but Team 2020 story should put any chance of him becoming Tory leader or PM.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,503
    wooliedyed said:

    In the interests of political balance as well as Dehenna i have a big boy crush on Kate Forbes.

    Oh no! 😦



  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    MoonRabbit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    In the interests of political balance as well as Dehenna i have a big boy crush on Kate Forbes.

    Oh no! 😦



    Leave Kate alone shes a wee cutey!!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Scott_xP said:

    There is no question to which "Grant Shapps" is a sensible answer

    I dunno, how about "Who's the worst possible replacement for Johnson the Tories could choose apart from JRM, Patel or Dorries?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    Benpointer said:

    Scott_xP said:

    There is no question to which "Grant Shapps" is a sensible answer

    I dunno, how about "Who's the worst possible replacement for Johnson the Tories could choose apart from JRM, Patel or Dorries?
    Mogg. I've sworn off voting Labour again for life, but I'd vote Labour again if Mogg led the Tories. I hate him more than Boris.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Benpointer said:

    Scott_xP said:

    There is no question to which "Grant Shapps" is a sensible answer

    I dunno, how about "Who's the worst possible replacement for Johnson the Tories could choose apart from JRM, Patel or Dorries?
    Or Siri, what is the political equivalent of dry muesli for breakfast?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    I had to check the date when I read this headline.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,523
    FPT
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    From Njegos, by Djilas (not other way around) -

    The land is one of utter destitution and forlorn silence. It's billowing crags engulf all that is alive and all that human hand has build and cultivated. Every sound is dashed against the jagged rock, and every ray of light is ground into gravel.

    [clearly Djilas was NOT writing on behalf of Montenegro Tourist Board]

    . . . a crucified wilderness! That is Montenegro, that is the Nahi of Katuni [homeland of Njegos]: a wilderness and a sea of stone, but one lifted high upon a confusion of peaks, gashed by canyons and gorges, and gouged by gaping precipices burrowing into stone cracked by heat and frost.

    It lacks the serenity of the desert of the spaciousness of the sea. It has some of both - but the silence is stony and the spaciousness is overhead in the endless heavens.

    How strange to see that name on here. The ghost of Petar Petrovic Njegos is a character in one of my books.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    CatMan said:

    Well since as long as I can remember every Prime Minister has been worse than the last, so kudos to the Tory party for trying to continue that tradition

    It's a bit early for the silly season, isn't it?

    On the other hand, someone has got to take the job on, and he's probably less unsutiable than many of the alternatives.

    But a combination of the firestorms of 2016-19, and Johnson's paranoia about cultivating a successor / rival has left the Conservative cupboard pretty bare.

    And is it too much to ask that "has a reasonable chance of being up to the job of Prime Minister" should be on the checklist?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    CatMan said:

    Well since as long as I can remember every Prime Minister has been worse than the last, so kudos to the Tory party for trying to continue that tradition

    Gave this a like but my actual considered opinion is that nobody could be worse. Johnson is very special. We will not see his like again.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    FPT

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    From Njegos, by Djilas (not other way around) -

    The land is one of utter destitution and forlorn silence. It's billowing crags engulf all that is alive and all that human hand has build and cultivated. Every sound is dashed against the jagged rock, and every ray of light is ground into gravel.

    [clearly Djilas was NOT writing on behalf of Montenegro Tourist Board]

    . . . a crucified wilderness! That is Montenegro, that is the Nahi of Katuni [homeland of Njegos]: a wilderness and a sea of stone, but one lifted high upon a confusion of peaks, gashed by canyons and gorges, and gouged by gaping precipices burrowing into stone cracked by heat and frost.

    It lacks the serenity of the desert of the spaciousness of the sea. It has some of both - but the silence is stony and the spaciousness is overhead in the endless heavens.

    How strange to see that name on here. The ghost of Petar Petrovic Njegos is a character in one of my books.
    Interesting! How & why?
  • ThePoliticalPartyThePoliticalParty Posts: 446
    If Grant Shapps is the answer, you are asking the wrong question.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    edited June 2022
    wooliedyed said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    In the interests of political balance as well as Dehenna i have a big boy crush on Kate Forbes.

    Oh no! 😦



    Leave Kate alone shes a wee cutey!!
    Forbes to lead SNP, Streeting to lead Labour. What is it about Selwyn historians?

    Both would be a massive improvement.

  • ThePoliticalPartyThePoliticalParty Posts: 446
    Scott_xP said:

    There is no question to which "Grant Shapps" is a sensible answer

    Beaten to it!
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    On topic, time to add "who should be Johnson's successor" to the lengthy list of questions to which the answer definitely isn't Grant effing Shapps.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,958
    The most FFS-ed PB headline evah.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Shant Grapps!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    MoonRabbit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    In the interests of political balance as well as Dehenna i have a big boy crush on Kate Forbes.

    Oh no! 😦



    I'm not that desperate :lol:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,715
    No 10 briefing operation imho.

    Sow doubt. Sow fear. Sow confusion.

    If you kill the king who knows what you will get.

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Also, in the spirit of shortening names, if we have BoJo then we can have GraSha. OR SOMETHING.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    edited June 2022
    I thought the time I wrote a thread about Gavin Williamson succeeding Boris Johnson would never be outdone.

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/04/17/light-the-beacons-of-gondor-gavin-williamson-may-have-just-come-up-with-a-competent-and-popular-policy/

    (FWIW I was advising laying Gavin Williamson at 159/1)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,627
    rottenborough said:

    No 10 briefing operation imho.

    Sow doubt. Sow fear. Sow confusion.

    If you kill the king who knows what you will get.

    In that case expect them to tout Gavin Williamson next.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    solarflare said:

    Also, in the spirit of shortening names, if we have BoJo then we can have GraSha. OR SOMETHING.

    Grasp?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    williamglenn said:

    rottenborough said:

    No 10 briefing operation imho.

    Sow doubt. Sow fear. Sow confusion.

    If you kill the king who knows what you will get.

    In that case expect them to tout Gavin Williamson next.

    That's Sir Gavin Williamson.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Everything about him and his career and his get rich quick scheme and his wikipedia editing is utterly naff.
    You might as well anoint Matt fucking Hancock if you want a soft milky shit in charge.
    Stop with this inanity!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    MoonRabbit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    In the interests of political balance as well as Dehenna i have a big boy crush on Kate Forbes.

    Oh no! 😦



    She's rocking that Featherstone Rovers dommy kink.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,715
    edited June 2022
    Neil Henderson @hendopolis

    ...is back doing the newspaper front pages!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    solarflare said:

    Also, in the spirit of shortening names, if we have BoJo then we can have GraSha. OR SOMETHING.

    Hed probably hope for Shappers or something. He'll get Cockwomble.

    *in Jim Bowen voice*
    Shappers you want...... cockwomble you've got
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,958
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    solarflare said:

    Also, in the spirit of shortening names, if we have BoJo then we can have GraSha. OR SOMETHING.

    Grasp?
    GraspShaft.

    Then recoil in horror,
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    wooliedyed said:

    solarflare said:

    Also, in the spirit of shortening names, if we have BoJo then we can have GraSha. OR SOMETHING.

    Hed probably hope for Shappers or something. He'll get Cockwomble.

    *in Jim Bowen voice*
    Shappers you want...... cockwomble you've got
    I'd already copyrighted my "Brimful of GraSha" tabloid headline. Probably prematurely.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    FPT: Foxy may find these patterns of interest:
    "Teen birth rates in the U.S. are at the lowest level in U.S. history.[210] In fact, teen birth rates in the U.S. have consistently decreased since 1991 through 2011, except for a brief increase between 2005 and 2007.[210] The other aberration from this otherwise steady decline in teen birth rates is the 6% decrease in birth rates for 15- to 19-year-olds between 2008 and 2009.[210] Despite these years of decrease, U.S. teen birth rates are still higher than in other developed nations.[210] Racial differences prevail with teen birth and pregnancy rates as well. The American Indian/Alaska Native, Hispanic, and non-Hispanic Black teen pregnancy rates are more than double the non-Hispanic white teen birth rate.[211]"
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

    Are those patterns broadly similar to those in the UK? Very broadly, perhaps?

    (One unusual pattern in US demographics: During the George W. Bush presidency, fertility rates rose above 2.1 in 2006 and 2007. I don't know of any other advanced nation that has seen a similar increase, since 2000.)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,958
    edited June 2022
    Can the Con party get more arseholey?

    Oh yes.


  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    edited June 2022
    Cyclefree said:

    Grant Shapps???

    Has the Tory party gone quite mad?

    Put it this way.

    Is there any evidence that the Tory party hasn't gone quite mad some years ago?

    On the other hand, the campaign song would be easy to choose;

    Who's the cat that won't cop out
    When there's danger rail strikes all about?
    Shapps
    Right on
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Daveyboy1961 said:

    Is this an April Fool?

    That is what I thought too....
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Cyclefree said:

    Grant Shapps???

    Has the Tory party gone quite mad?

    Statistically there must be a finite but mindbogglingly tiny probability that they're right and it's just the rest of the Universe that's quite wrong.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,432
    HYUFD said:

    This has to be a windup, Shapps would be over promoted leading a district council, let alone PM. He is just about treading water as a middle ranking minister nothing more.

    An economic and social liberal is also not what the Tories need to hold the redwall

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Can the Con party get more arseholey?

    Oh yes.


    Yes, it could elect Grant Shaps as leader.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Got to say I've got some sympathy for John Major.
    I had multiple full blood transfusions in the mid 80's, on the North American West Coast from untested blood. Often taken for money from those without many other sources of income.
    I didn't contract HIV. Essentially, I was lucky. I didn't draw the wrong ball from the jar.
    Those who did did.
    So that makes them "unlucky" does it not?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,715
    imho every single media interview Johnson gives makes his position worse.

    Starmer should try and persuade the BBC, Sky and ITV to not interview Johnson for a period of purdah.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,715
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    HYUFD said:

    This has to be a windup, Shapps would be over promoted leading a district council, let alone PM. He is just about treading water as a middle ranking minister nothing more.

    An economic and social liberal is also not what the Tories need to hold the redwall

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Can the Con party get more arseholey?

    Oh yes.


    Yes, it could elect Grant Shaps as leader.
    Would that be Lee Anderson there in the middle, who defected from... checks notes... Ashfield Labour where he was Gloria's office manager for years?

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    edited June 2022
    Gardening stuff




    Probably make a better PM too.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    Presumably this was put about by Boris's people as some sort of scare tactic: get rid of Boris and you might well end up with globalist Remainer Shapps. Can't think of any other explanation.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,715
    solarflare said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Grant Shapps???

    Has the Tory party gone quite mad?

    Statistically there must be a finite but mindbogglingly tiny probability that they're right and it's just the rest of the Universe that's quite wrong.
    Nah, as I posted earlier this is No 10 briefing bollocks to try and scare rebels away from lobbying 1922.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    I mean Shapps is Anna Soubry, leader of Change UK (non LD splitters, and not the racist one with funny tinge obsession) levels of political giantism
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited June 2022
    Clucking bell, the Heather Watson match is taking place in front of a mostly empty court at Wimbledon. Millions of people would love to be sitting there.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Well, I suppose Mr Shapps is sitting on a bigger majority than Boris, but is 11,000 safe enough given the current state of politics?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Grant Shapps???

    Has the Tory party gone quite mad?

    Put it this way.

    Is there any evidence that the Tory party hasn't gone quite mad some years ago?

    On the other hand, the campaign song would be easy to choose;

    Who's the cat that won't cop out
    When there's danger rail strikes all about?
    Shapps
    Right on
    'Shappiness, Shappiness,
    The greatest git, that we possess'
    Shappy talky talky,
    Shappy talk,
    Talk about things you like to do (with your new Brexit freedoms).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Grant Shapps???

    Has the Tory party gone quite mad?

    Put it this way.

    Is there any evidence that the Tory party hasn't gone quite mad some years ago?

    On the other hand, the campaign song would be easy to choose;

    Who's the cat that won't cop out
    When there's danger rail strikes all about?
    Shapps
    Right on
    'Shappiness, Shappiness,
    The greatest git, that we possess'
    Crappyness, crappyness - I thank the lord the Tories are blessed with more than their share of crappyness.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Cyclefree said:

    Gardening stuff



    Probably make a better PM too.

    I see you’ve weeded out the Shapps.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Cyclefree said:

    Gardening stuff



    Probably make a better PM too.

    No - it is way too smart to go into politics
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,627
    Tonight @HouseofCommons has backed the NI Protocol Bill.

    It provides practical solutions to problems caused by the Protocol and protects the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement.

    While a negotiated outcome remains our preference - the EU must accept changes to the Protocol itself.

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1541531045908172801
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,715
    edited June 2022
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Presumably this was put about by Boris's people as some sort of scare tactic: get rid of Boris and you might well end up with globalist Remainer Shapps. Can't think of any other explanation.

    Yep.

    It is all so pathetic and obvious and see through.

    But as ever, the most important thing about Johnson and his team at No 10 is they really do believe they can take the voting public for fools.

    Or in this case the voting public of the 1922 committee.



  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Gardening stuff



    Probably make a better PM too.

    No - it is way too smart to go into politics
    Next PM, Borage Johnson.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited June 2022
    Shapps Theme Song
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEaRCAcfOEQ

    Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about?
    - Shapps!
    Right on
    They say this cat Shapps is a bad mother
    - Shut your mouth!
    I'm talkin' 'bout
    - Shapps!
    Then we can dig it
    He's a complicated man . . .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,715
    What I said earlier...


  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited June 2022
    This is really quite extraordinary, in multiple ways: A transcript, which appears to be genuine, of a telephone conversation between Macron and Putin just before the invasion (in French):

    https://www.letemps.ch/monde/emmanuel-macron-vladimir-poutine-quatre-jours-guerre-ne-sais-juriste-appris-droit

    Macron comes out of it quite well IMO.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited June 2022
    "Stephen Thornton
    @Thornton_health

    How come there are so many empty seats
    @Wimbledon for the Andy Murray match tonight when the likes of me can’t get tickets?

    9:01 PM · Jun 27, 2022·Twitter for iPhone"

    https://twitter.com/Thornton_health/status/1541511961040625667

    "Nia Jones
    @niajones92

    Own up. Who has hogged Wimbledon tickets and NOT EVEN GONE? Totally sold out online yet there are more empty seats at Murray’s match on Centre Court than at a netball match during covid"

    https://twitter.com/niajones92/status/1541503253057347584
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Jim_Miller said:

    FPT: Foxy may find these patterns of interest:
    "Teen birth rates in the U.S. are at the lowest level in U.S. history.[210] In fact, teen birth rates in the U.S. have consistently decreased since 1991 through 2011, except for a brief increase between 2005 and 2007.[210] The other aberration from this otherwise steady decline in teen birth rates is the 6% decrease in birth rates for 15- to 19-year-olds between 2008 and 2009.[210] Despite these years of decrease, U.S. teen birth rates are still higher than in other developed nations.[210] Racial differences prevail with teen birth and pregnancy rates as well. The American Indian/Alaska Native, Hispanic, and non-Hispanic Black teen pregnancy rates are more than double the non-Hispanic white teen birth rate.[211]"
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

    Are those patterns broadly similar to those in the UK? Very broadly, perhaps?

    (One unusual pattern in US demographics: During the George W. Bush presidency, fertility rates rose above 2.1 in 2006 and 2007. I don't know of any other advanced nation that has seen a similar increase, since 2000.)

    The USA pattern is broadly similar, with a drop of nearly 75% over the last 3 decades. A number of factors are surely involved, but smartphones are part of it IMO.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Weather report, Seattle - as of 2.30pm Pacific time, temp on my porch (in direct sunlight) = 104F, indoor temp 79F.

    According to web actual air temp here = 90F, with 33% humidity. BUT tomorrow's high forecast in low 60sF.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    Nigelb said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Gardening stuff



    Probably make a better PM too.

    No - it is way too smart to go into politics
    Next PM, Borage Johnson.
    He's more like the Japanese knotweed of the Tory party. More or less impossible to get rid of, he's destroying it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,715
    williamglenn said:

    Tonight @HouseofCommons has backed the NI Protocol Bill.

    It provides practical solutions to problems caused by the Protocol and protects the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement.

    While a negotiated outcome remains our preference - the EU must accept changes to the Protocol itself.

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1541531045908172801

    Good luck in the Lords Lizz.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,958
    rottenborough said:

    What I said earlier...


    Can’t read the small print, is army chief suggesting we should avoid the spineless, fash sympathetic 1937 moment of HMG and their opposition regarding Spain?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,432
    Nigelb said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Gardening stuff



    Probably make a better PM too.

    No - it is way too smart to go into politics
    Next PM, Borage Johnson.
    Borage, de petal, Johnson.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Now down to one,.

    At least one Tory MP from 2019 intake in advanced talks to defect to Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/27/at-least-one-tory-mp-from-2019-intake-in-advanced-talks-to-defect-to-labour

    Labour quality control ?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,971
    This has to be a bad joke, right?

    Anyway, good to see that Truss's sensible Protocol reforms have made it through the first stages of the Commons. Unsurprising to see that fool May, who created the NI mess in the first place with her moronic sequencing, is against reforms.

    Truss has come up with a good solution and has to keep the pressure up to ensure this is resolved and the Parliament Act is invoked, if needed.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Foxy said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    FPT: Foxy may find these patterns of interest:
    "Teen birth rates in the U.S. are at the lowest level in U.S. history.[210] In fact, teen birth rates in the U.S. have consistently decreased since 1991 through 2011, except for a brief increase between 2005 and 2007.[210] The other aberration from this otherwise steady decline in teen birth rates is the 6% decrease in birth rates for 15- to 19-year-olds between 2008 and 2009.[210] Despite these years of decrease, U.S. teen birth rates are still higher than in other developed nations.[210] Racial differences prevail with teen birth and pregnancy rates as well. The American Indian/Alaska Native, Hispanic, and non-Hispanic Black teen pregnancy rates are more than double the non-Hispanic white teen birth rate.[211]"
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

    Are those patterns broadly similar to those in the UK? Very broadly, perhaps?

    (One unusual pattern in US demographics: During the George W. Bush presidency, fertility rates rose above 2.1 in 2006 and 2007. I don't know of any other advanced nation that has seen a similar increase, since 2000.)

    The USA pattern is broadly similar, with a drop of nearly 75% over the last 3 decades. A number of factors are surely involved, but smartphones are part of it IMO.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/
    Smartphones? What's the thinking there?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited June 2022
    Nigelb said:

    Now down to one,.

    At least one Tory MP from 2019 intake in advanced talks to defect to Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/27/at-least-one-tory-mp-from-2019-intake-in-advanced-talks-to-defect-to-labour

    Labour quality control ?

    At this rate Starmer will be a Tory by Friday
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    rottenborough said:

    What I said earlier...


    I see that @Leon is moonlighting as the Telegraph's picture editor.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    HYUFD said:

    This has to be a windup, Shapps would be over promoted leading a district council, let alone PM. He is just about treading water as a middle ranking minister nothing more.

    An economic and social liberal is also not what the Tories need to hold the redwall

    Hello H. Not to send you into a fug of envy or anything but I'm going to the Eton Harrow match at Lords tomorrow. It's the last ever one at the home of cricket. They'll have to play it somewhere else from now on. Perhaps at Eton or Harrow. Another casualty of woke. If it aint broke don't fix it, they used to say. No longer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    wooliedyed said:

    Nigelb said:

    Now down to one,.

    At least one Tory MP from 2019 intake in advanced talks to defect to Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/27/at-least-one-tory-mp-from-2019-intake-in-advanced-talks-to-defect-to-labour

    Labour quality control ?

    At this rate Starmer will be a Tory by Friday
    Labour quality control ?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,971
    edited June 2022
    Benpointer said:

    Foxy said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    FPT: Foxy may find these patterns of interest:
    "Teen birth rates in the U.S. are at the lowest level in U.S. history.[210] In fact, teen birth rates in the U.S. have consistently decreased since 1991 through 2011, except for a brief increase between 2005 and 2007.[210] The other aberration from this otherwise steady decline in teen birth rates is the 6% decrease in birth rates for 15- to 19-year-olds between 2008 and 2009.[210] Despite these years of decrease, U.S. teen birth rates are still higher than in other developed nations.[210] Racial differences prevail with teen birth and pregnancy rates as well. The American Indian/Alaska Native, Hispanic, and non-Hispanic Black teen pregnancy rates are more than double the non-Hispanic white teen birth rate.[211]"
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

    Are those patterns broadly similar to those in the UK? Very broadly, perhaps?

    (One unusual pattern in US demographics: During the George W. Bush presidency, fertility rates rose above 2.1 in 2006 and 2007. I don't know of any other advanced nation that has seen a similar increase, since 2000.)

    The USA pattern is broadly similar, with a drop of nearly 75% over the last 3 decades. A number of factors are surely involved, but smartphones are part of it IMO.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/
    Smartphones? What's the thinking there?
    Bored teens are going on their phones to chat/play games/watch videos/TikTok/browse the web etc instead of having sex.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Nigelb said:

    Now down to one,.

    At least one Tory MP from 2019 intake in advanced talks to defect to Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/27/at-least-one-tory-mp-from-2019-intake-in-advanced-talks-to-defect-to-labour

    Labour quality control ?

    Surely it can't be GB News presenter Dehenna Davison.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited June 2022
    wooliedyed said:

    Nigelb said:

    Now down to one,.

    At least one Tory MP from 2019 intake in advanced talks to defect to Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/27/at-least-one-tory-mp-from-2019-intake-in-advanced-talks-to-defect-to-labour

    Labour quality control ?

    At this rate Starmer will be a Tory by Friday
    Defections are almost always a surprise.
    They rarely have pre- publicity.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,627
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    This has to be a bad joke, right?

    Anyway, good to see that Truss's sensible Protocol reforms have made it through the first stages of the Commons. Unsurprising to see that fool May, who created the NI mess in the first place with her moronic sequencing, is against reforms.

    Truss has come up with a good solution and has to keep the pressure up to ensure this is resolved and the Parliament Act is invoked, if needed.

    May abstained in the vote rather than voting with the opposition.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Someone who has the wisdom to know when to call it quits….
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/27/the-best-weve-ever-had-eoin-morgan-set-to-call-time-on-england-career

    … and will be celebrated as a transformative, successful and well loved leader.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    dixiedean said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Nigelb said:

    Now down to one,.

    At least one Tory MP from 2019 intake in advanced talks to defect to Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/27/at-least-one-tory-mp-from-2019-intake-in-advanced-talks-to-defect-to-labour

    Labour quality control ?

    At this rate Starmer will be a Tory by Friday
    Defections are almost always a surprise.
    They rarely have pre- publicity.
    Corbyn to the DUP?
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874
    solarflare said:

    Scott_xP said:

    There is no question to which "Grant Shapps" is a sensible answer

    QTWTAIWTF
    Question to which the answer is wireless telecommunications facility?
    I don't get it.........
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,971
    williamglenn said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    This has to be a bad joke, right?

    Anyway, good to see that Truss's sensible Protocol reforms have made it through the first stages of the Commons. Unsurprising to see that fool May, who created the NI mess in the first place with her moronic sequencing, is against reforms.

    Truss has come up with a good solution and has to keep the pressure up to ensure this is resolved and the Parliament Act is invoked, if needed.

    May abstained in the vote rather than voting with the opposition.
    That wasn't clear from this article. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61959526

    Funny how the BBC is leading on its website about criticism from a backbencher who abstained, but they don't mention that in the article (unless its been edited since).
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Benpointer said:

    Foxy said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    FPT: Foxy may find these patterns of interest:
    "Teen birth rates in the U.S. are at the lowest level in U.S. history.[210] In fact, teen birth rates in the U.S. have consistently decreased since 1991 through 2011, except for a brief increase between 2005 and 2007.[210] The other aberration from this otherwise steady decline in teen birth rates is the 6% decrease in birth rates for 15- to 19-year-olds between 2008 and 2009.[210] Despite these years of decrease, U.S. teen birth rates are still higher than in other developed nations.[210] Racial differences prevail with teen birth and pregnancy rates as well. The American Indian/Alaska Native, Hispanic, and non-Hispanic Black teen pregnancy rates are more than double the non-Hispanic white teen birth rate.[211]"
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

    Are those patterns broadly similar to those in the UK? Very broadly, perhaps?

    (One unusual pattern in US demographics: During the George W. Bush presidency, fertility rates rose above 2.1 in 2006 and 2007. I don't know of any other advanced nation that has seen a similar increase, since 2000.)

    The USA pattern is broadly similar, with a drop of nearly 75% over the last 3 decades. A number of factors are surely involved, but smartphones are part of it IMO.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/
    Smartphones? What's the thinking there?
    Bored teens are going on their phones to chat/play games/watch videos/TikTok/browse the web etc instead of having sex.
    Also applies to regulars on obscure blogs.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Now down to one,.

    At least one Tory MP from 2019 intake in advanced talks to defect to Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/27/at-least-one-tory-mp-from-2019-intake-in-advanced-talks-to-defect-to-labour

    Labour quality control ?

    Surely it can't be GB News presenter Dehenna Davison.
    Its not Dehenna. Her seat isnt marginal.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,971
    Nigelb said:

    Someone who has the wisdom to know when to call it quits….
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/27/the-best-weve-ever-had-eoin-morgan-set-to-call-time-on-england-career

    … and will be celebrated as a transformative, successful and well loved leader.

    He probably ought to have called it quits about a year or so ago, but he's done a very good job and will be fondly remembered. 👍
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Benpointer said:

    Foxy said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    FPT: Foxy may find these patterns of interest:
    "Teen birth rates in the U.S. are at the lowest level in U.S. history.[210] In fact, teen birth rates in the U.S. have consistently decreased since 1991 through 2011, except for a brief increase between 2005 and 2007.[210] The other aberration from this otherwise steady decline in teen birth rates is the 6% decrease in birth rates for 15- to 19-year-olds between 2008 and 2009.[210] Despite these years of decrease, U.S. teen birth rates are still higher than in other developed nations.[210] Racial differences prevail with teen birth and pregnancy rates as well. The American Indian/Alaska Native, Hispanic, and non-Hispanic Black teen pregnancy rates are more than double the non-Hispanic white teen birth rate.[211]"
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

    Are those patterns broadly similar to those in the UK? Very broadly, perhaps?

    (One unusual pattern in US demographics: During the George W. Bush presidency, fertility rates rose above 2.1 in 2006 and 2007. I don't know of any other advanced nation that has seen a similar increase, since 2000.)

    The USA pattern is broadly similar, with a drop of nearly 75% over the last 3 decades. A number of factors are surely involved, but smartphones are part of it IMO.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/
    Smartphones? What's the thinking there?
    Bored teens are going on their phones to chat/play games/watch videos/TikTok/browse the web etc instead of having sex.
    Haven't they heard of multitasking?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    This has to be a windup, Shapps would be over promoted leading a district council, let alone PM. He is just about treading water as a middle ranking minister nothing more.

    An economic and social liberal is also not what the Tories need to hold the redwall

    Hello H. Not to send you into a fug of envy or anything but I'm going to the Eton Harrow match at Lords tomorrow. It's the last ever one at the home of cricket. They'll have to play it somewhere else from now on. Perhaps at Eton or Harrow. Another casualty of woke. If it aint broke don't fix it, they used to say. No longer.
    Yes sad news, my father was an old Harrovian and was a great summer fixture, only 1 day after all
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    wooliedyed said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Now down to one,.

    At least one Tory MP from 2019 intake in advanced talks to defect to Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/27/at-least-one-tory-mp-from-2019-intake-in-advanced-talks-to-defect-to-labour

    Labour quality control ?

    Surely it can't be GB News presenter Dehenna Davison.
    Its not Dehenna. Her seat isnt marginal.
    If Labour won a majority they would win Bishop Auckland
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,971
    HYUFD said:

    This has to be a windup, Shapps would be over promoted leading a district council, let alone PM. He is just about treading water as a middle ranking minister nothing more.

    An economic and social liberal is also not what the Tories need to hold the redwall

    An economic and social liberal could be quite positive, but if you're going for that, go for Truss.

    Schapps is just a million times no.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874
    Andy_JS said:

    "Stephen Thornton
    @Thornton_health

    How come there are so many empty seats
    @Wimbledon for the Andy Murray match tonight when the likes of me can’t get tickets?

    9:01 PM · Jun 27, 2022·Twitter for iPhone"

    https://twitter.com/Thornton_health/status/1541511961040625667

    "Nia Jones
    @niajones92

    Own up. Who has hogged Wimbledon tickets and NOT EVEN GONE? Totally sold out online yet there are more empty seats at Murray’s match on Centre Court than at a netball match during covid"

    https://twitter.com/niajones92/status/1541503253057347584

    I can't speak specifically for Wimbledon, but it'll probably be Corporate. Allocated loads of seats, most won't turn up (they didn't pay for them anyway - and aren't interested in the tennis).

    Corporate is ruining a lot of sports. Huge amounts of tickets allocated to them, and barely any turn up.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Nigelb said:

    Now down to one,.

    At least one Tory MP from 2019 intake in advanced talks to defect to Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/27/at-least-one-tory-mp-from-2019-intake-in-advanced-talks-to-defect-to-labour

    Labour quality control ?

    Nice thought. But I think we're only blocking from the left atm. Other door is open.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    HYUFD said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Now down to one,.

    At least one Tory MP from 2019 intake in advanced talks to defect to Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/27/at-least-one-tory-mp-from-2019-intake-in-advanced-talks-to-defect-to-labour

    Labour quality control ?

    Surely it can't be GB News presenter Dehenna Davison.
    Its not Dehenna. Her seat isnt marginal.
    If Labour won a majority they would win Bishop Auckland
    That doesn't make her seat a marginal does it?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Nigelb said:

    Someone who has the wisdom to know when to call it quits….
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/27/the-best-weve-ever-had-eoin-morgan-set-to-call-time-on-england-career

    … and will be celebrated as a transformative, successful and well loved leader.

    He probably ought to have called it quits about a year or so ago, but he's done a very good job and will be fondly remembered. 👍
    No harm in his trying to regain form - and it’s hardly held back the team.
    He’s timed it very well, leaving plenty time for his successor to bed in.

    One hesitates to draw comparisons with contemporary politicians, but…
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