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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,348
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is a somewhat misleading post. From 1997 to 2015 the LDs won almost every seat in Devon and Cornwall and plenty of other seats in Dorset and Somerset too.

    It was not Cameron that won them for the Tories as most of them stayed LD in 2010, it was the coalition which saw leftwing LD voters switch en masse to Labour dividing the anti Tory vote in the SW and enabling the Tories to win them. The SW also voted for Brexit and hence both May and Johnson won more seats in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Somerset in 2017 and 2019 than Cameron did in 2010.

    The only seats in the SW Cameron really made a difference was Remain seats like Bath which were Tory in 2015 but went LD in 2017 after the Brexit vote

    The SW and Scotland though are largely responsible for the huge shift in vote efficiency from Labour to Tory in 2015.
    That needs to unwind to unseat the government. This is a start if no more.
    The SW maybe Scotland less so as the SNP would put Labour in government anyway
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,676
    The Sunday Rawnsley - on (previous) topic:

    It is sometimes said that the Conservative party is capable of only two emotions: complacency and panic. At the moment, it exists in both conditions simultaneously.

    The most alarming development for them is the clear evidence that the anti-Tory majority is learning anew how to use its votes most efficiently. As the distinguished psephologist Peter Kellner remarks: “Tactical voting is back with a vengeance.” One senior Tory says: “The worry for us is that these byelections are teaching people how to hurt us.”

    A shiver is going around members of the cabinet looking for a spine to run down.

    For most Conservative MPs, the debate about whether to remove him has never been about morality. He would have been long gone if that was the test. The argument has been about electability.

    Brexit sorcery has ceased to work for Mr Johnson. In the run-up to these byelections, he attempted to firm up the Tory vote by picking a fight with the bishops over the scheme to export asylum seekers to Rwanda and another one with Europe over the Northern Ireland protocol. Rather than do anything to resolve the rail strikes, he sought to exploit them to wound Labour. None of that could save the Tories in either Devon or Yorkshire. If he ever was an electoral magician, he now looks like a wizard with a broken wand.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,297
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed ?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,214
    Carnyx said:

    Richardr said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Rumours are circulating that the PM offered steel tariffs to certain MPs in the hours leading up to the no confidence vote earlier this month to ensure his survival. This angers other MPs who see a dodgy deal. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-a-row-over-steel-blow-up-the-tory-party-

    and presumably, especially at at a time of inflation, raising the cost of several industries that use steel as an important input - from car manufacturing (and most other manufacturing), and construction, as examples, is less important than retaining support of a few MPs.
    It does seem a great headline policy, putting Britain First, 👍🏻

    but with more inherent vice than TSE’s pornhub history when you click the button and look at the detail. 🫦 🍆

    Firstly, we are breaking international law, the ministerial code say you must adhere to.
    Secondly screws emerging economies likely prompting retaliation and trade war. “No one wants a trade war” Boris will say. Then why did you fire the first shot?
    Thirdly, it screws British business relying on steel imports on price their business model is based on.
    Fourth! It makes a mockery of what I posted in previous thread, about Boris takes this rubbish with him, here he saddles the next leader with policy which only exists because of operation save big dog, or else it wouldn’t be happening as well as lots of crap wouldn’t be happening.

    A government only existing to save the boss is not a government at all.
    PS What is the aubergine picture for??
    Is this a serious question 🥹
  • stodgestodge Posts: 11,244
    LATE AFTERNOON DRAMA !!

    Nothing to do with the cricket, a grass fire raging at the end of the road - fortunately, the wind blowing it all away from Stodge Towers but we have Police and Fire in attendance and there's copious amounts of smoke blowing over the A406 where the traffic is solid (nothing to do with the fire).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,829

    Carnyx said:

    Richardr said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Rumours are circulating that the PM offered steel tariffs to certain MPs in the hours leading up to the no confidence vote earlier this month to ensure his survival. This angers other MPs who see a dodgy deal. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-a-row-over-steel-blow-up-the-tory-party-

    and presumably, especially at at a time of inflation, raising the cost of several industries that use steel as an important input - from car manufacturing (and most other manufacturing), and construction, as examples, is less important than retaining support of a few MPs.
    It does seem a great headline policy, putting Britain First, 👍🏻

    but with more inherent vice than TSE’s pornhub history when you click the button and look at the detail. 🫦 🍆

    Firstly, we are breaking international law, the ministerial code say you must adhere to.
    Secondly screws emerging economies likely prompting retaliation and trade war. “No one wants a trade war” Boris will say. Then why did you fire the first shot?
    Thirdly, it screws British business relying on steel imports on price their business model is based on.
    Fourth! It makes a mockery of what I posted in previous thread, about Boris takes this rubbish with him, here he saddles the next leader with policy which only exists because of operation save big dog, or else it wouldn’t be happening as well as lots of crap wouldn’t be happening.

    A government only existing to save the boss is not a government at all.
    PS What is the aubergine picture for??
    Is this a serious question 🥹
    Oh, yes, if only for intellectual satisfaction. Aslo the little box, also in your latest, which looks like a car numberplate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,567

    Why is it ok to be derogatory about us Celts? Substitute that word with many other ethnic identifiers and you’d be facing prosecution.

    For a “lawyer” to be doing so is particularly repugnant.

    Why is lawyer in quotes?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,570

    Lloyds, Halifax, Bank of Scotland are all sticking with VISA for the time being.

    First Direct are switching over to Mastercard and it is expected their parent HSBC will do so as well. RBS and Natwest are moving over as well.

    TSB do have plans (since 2018) to move over to Mastercard but they've been on hold because of their epic IT fuck up.

    What's happened is VISA Europe were taken over by VISA Inc, previously VISA Europe were owned by UK and European banks and now they are owned by Yanks who are taking the piss with their fees.

    Mastercard have taken advantage, it is expected VISA Inc will start taking the piss over credit card fees, they want to charge AMEX level of fees.

    I can confirm my new Lloyd’s is Visa.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,908
    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 43,344
    G7 leaders have coordinated their outfits.

    image
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 35,866
    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Leech bite? Though unlikely in your beddy byes.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 49,017
    pigeon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bizarrely PM did NOT raise small boats in talks with Macron. Not sure that's going to land well at home.

    Also French say Boris showed "beacoup d'enthousiasme" for Macron's 2 speed EU plan that could see UK re-engage with bloc.

    No10 failed to even mention it had been discussed.

    Nor did PM raise NIP.

    Clear attempt to avoid a dust up like last year's G7... but something of a missed opportunity.

    For months HMG have privately been saying relations will get easier once Macron re-elected.

    But abject surrender today to Paris on big issues other than UKR.


    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1541071746085933057

    This is Harry "Tory Bear" Cole. If even he is unhappy with the Big Dog there may be trouble ahead...

    Sounds like Boris and Macron are colluding on some kind of plot to cancel Brexit.
    There's plenty of scope for re-engagement if the outer orbit that Macron wants to design excludes the free movement of people. Produce the appropriate compromise and everyone in Parliament except the Tory right would vote for it tomorrow.

    Whether such a compromise ever comes to pass is, of course, anyone's guess.
    It's what the median British voter was looking for in 2016, IMHO.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,631
    Crawley. Sigh
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,908

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Leech bite? Though unlikely in your beddy
    byes.
    Don’t think so - he’s busy skittling Kiwis at Headingly.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,348
    edited June 2022

    G7 leaders have coordinated their outfits.

    image

    First G7 summit where Johnson is the only conservative leader left (unless you include the Japanese LD party as conservative)
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,190

    G7 leaders have coordinated their outfits.

    image

    Biden come straight from the set of Top Gun 2, has he.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 24,023
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/26/mp-patrick-grady-quits-snp-after-being-accused-of-sexual-assault

    A senior Scottish National party MP accused of sexual assault has quit the party and will sit as an independent after the Metropolitan police said they were investigating the allegations.

    The Met said it had received a complaint from a third party about Patrick Grady’s alleged sexual assault of a 19-year-old party worker at the Water Poet pub on Folgate Street, London, in October 2016.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,570
    Leon said:

    Crawley. Sigh

    Some of our young batsmen would benefit from a few sessions watching Mitchell and Blundell bat. Oh wait, they’ve been doing that all series. It’s really about choosing the right balls to attack. Crawley’s just wasn’t there for that shot.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 49,017


    I'm at Jack Bar necking a pint whilst I have 15 mins off from childcare duty.

    They don't have the cricket on but they do have the rodeo, and they're playing Depeche Mode - A Question of Time as well, which I thought was delightful if rather random.
  • FlannerFlanner Posts: 359
    HYUFD said:

    T
    It was not Cameron that won them for the Tories as most of them stayed LD in 2010, it was the coalition which saw leftwing LD voters switch en masse to Labour [in 2015]

    ...Heavily assisted by aggressive Tory targeting (and campaign overspending) in LibDem parliamentary seats in the year before the 2015 election.

    And, in the 2015 GE and the 2016 referendum, repeated UKIP/Tory claims - in both LD and Tory seats - that ConKip policies would help SW agriculture and fisheries.

    Resulting in a 10,000 vote loss for the LDs in T&H between 2010 and 2015. Of which UKIP collected 5,500, Tories 1,500, Greens 2,600 and Labour 2,000. HYFUD's analysis is as nonsensical as the claims the ConKips made in the last decade to justify their determination to destroy the UK economy.

    It's not just Johnson's obsession with dishonouring obligations that'll take decades to be forgotten. It's his party's commercial illiteracy and complete disregard for the national interest.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,643
    edited June 2022
    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/26/mp-patrick-grady-quits-snp-after-being-accused-of-sexual-assault

    A senior Scottish National party MP accused of sexual assault has quit the party and will sit as an independent after the Metropolitan police said they were investigating the allegations.

    The Met said it had received a complaint from a third party about Patrick Grady’s alleged sexual assault of a 19-year-old party worker at the Water Poet pub on Folgate Street, London, in October 2016.

    Was a decent pub, the Water Poet.
    Now sadly gone, due to philistinic redevelopment.

    Edit; I see Vanilla is a bit fritzy again.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 6,773

    pigeon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bizarrely PM did NOT raise small boats in talks with Macron. Not sure that's going to land well at home.

    Also French say Boris showed "beacoup d'enthousiasme" for Macron's 2 speed EU plan that could see UK re-engage with bloc.

    No10 failed to even mention it had been discussed.

    Nor did PM raise NIP.

    Clear attempt to avoid a dust up like last year's G7... but something of a missed opportunity.

    For months HMG have privately been saying relations will get easier once Macron re-elected.

    But abject surrender today to Paris on big issues other than UKR.


    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1541071746085933057

    This is Harry "Tory Bear" Cole. If even he is unhappy with the Big Dog there may be trouble ahead...

    Sounds like Boris and Macron are colluding on some kind of plot to cancel Brexit.
    There's plenty of scope for re-engagement if the outer orbit that Macron wants to design excludes the free movement of people. Produce the appropriate compromise and everyone in Parliament except the Tory right would vote for it tomorrow.

    Whether such a compromise ever comes to pass is, of course, anyone's guess.
    It's what the median British voter was looking for in 2016, IMHO.
    Yes.

    One of a list of missed opportunities -

    Remain would have won with only small compromise derogations on FoM.

    UK should never have accepted unfettered FoM (or the Euro for anyone) in the first place.

    There was no plan in place in advance for leaving the EU.

    Having Brexited a more moderate agreement should have been parliament's aim.

    And more recently the Tory MPs missed only days ago their big chance of a bloodless coup against Boris. They won't get another as easy.

    And perhaps most important, NATO and the west missed the chance to say to the Russians "We will treat an attack on Ukraine as an attack on NATO so don't". (As they have now done, too late, about Finland and Sweden).

    Politicians job is to be good at this stuff. I don't think they are doing well

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 8,685

    pigeon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bizarrely PM did NOT raise small boats in talks with Macron. Not sure that's going to land well at home.

    Also French say Boris showed "beacoup d'enthousiasme" for Macron's 2 speed EU plan that could see UK re-engage with bloc.

    No10 failed to even mention it had been discussed.

    Nor did PM raise NIP.

    Clear attempt to avoid a dust up like last year's G7... but something of a missed opportunity.

    For months HMG have privately been saying relations will get easier once Macron re-elected.

    But abject surrender today to Paris on big issues other than UKR.


    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1541071746085933057

    This is Harry "Tory Bear" Cole. If even he is unhappy with the Big Dog there may be trouble ahead...

    Sounds like Boris and Macron are colluding on some kind of plot to cancel Brexit.
    There's plenty of scope for re-engagement if the outer orbit that Macron wants to design excludes the free movement of people. Produce the appropriate compromise and everyone in Parliament except the Tory right would vote for it tomorrow.

    Whether such a compromise ever comes to pass is, of course, anyone's guess.
    It's what the median British voter was looking for in 2016, IMHO.
    Probably yes.

    However, the trickier question remains what is the UK prepared to give up in order to get that?

    Quick, probably over simplistic, example, but it shows the principle. Most of the faff of the current arrangements could be done away with if the UK agreed to mirror the EU's standards for goods, agriculture and trade deals for the forseeable future. The quid and the quo are pretty clear there- more British control over immigration in exchange for less control over banana curvature standards. Actually, it begins to look a fair bit like the May plan.

    And whilst the main problem with the May plan was that it got in the way of B Johnson Esq. being Prime Minister, there were a couple of other flaws that needed finessing. One was that some of the 52 % really wanted control over banana curvature standards and would have jettisoned control of immigration to get that. The other is that a lot of the 52 % were presuaded that there was a deal to be done that was lots of quid and minimal quo. That the UK could do what it liked and the EU would swallow it consequence-free becuase German Cars and Italian Prosecco.

    Cake and eat it was never an option, and it was bloody irresponsible of Johnson to run with it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Leech bite? Though unlikely in your beddy
    byes.
    Don’t think so - he’s busy skittling Kiwis at Headingly.
    Do they look like Lyme disease at all?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,829
    edited June 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Leech bite? Though unlikely in your beddy
    byes.
    Don’t think so - he’s busy skittling Kiwis at Headingly.
    Do they look like Lyme disease at all?
    Not tick, and too early (presumably). Plus the Lyme rash is [edit] logically distinct from the actual bite.itchiness/etc, if only in terms of its occurrence (albeit in the same spot). But it is a good point. And if the distinctive rash appears - GP pronto.

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lyme-disease/
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 6,773
    edited June 2022

    pigeon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bizarrely PM did NOT raise small boats in talks with Macron. Not sure that's going to land well at home.

    Also French say Boris showed "beacoup d'enthousiasme" for Macron's 2 speed EU plan that could see UK re-engage with bloc.

    No10 failed to even mention it had been discussed.

    Nor did PM raise NIP.

    Clear attempt to avoid a dust up like last year's G7... but something of a missed opportunity.

    For months HMG have privately been saying relations will get easier once Macron re-elected.

    But abject surrender today to Paris on big issues other than UKR.


    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1541071746085933057

    This is Harry "Tory Bear" Cole. If even he is unhappy with the Big Dog there may be trouble ahead...

    Sounds like Boris and Macron are colluding on some kind of plot to cancel Brexit.
    There's plenty of scope for re-engagement if the outer orbit that Macron wants to design excludes the free movement of people. Produce the appropriate compromise and everyone in Parliament except the Tory right would vote for it tomorrow.

    Whether such a compromise ever comes to pass is, of course, anyone's guess.
    It's what the median British voter was looking for in 2016, IMHO.
    Probably yes.

    However, the trickier question remains what is the UK prepared to give up in order to get that?

    Quick, probably over simplistic, example, but it shows the principle. Most of the faff of the current arrangements could be done away with if the UK agreed to mirror the EU's standards for goods, agriculture and trade deals for the forseeable future. The quid and the quo are pretty clear there- more British control over immigration in exchange for less control over banana curvature standards. Actually, it begins to look a fair bit like the May plan.

    And whilst the main problem with the May plan was that it got in the way of B Johnson Esq. being Prime Minister, there were a couple of other flaws that needed finessing. One was that some of the 52 % really wanted control over banana curvature standards and would have jettisoned control of immigration to get that. The other is that a lot of the 52 % were presuaded that there was a deal to be done that was lots of quid and minimal quo. That the UK could do what it liked and the EU would swallow it consequence-free becuase German Cars and Italian Prosecco.

    Cake and eat it was never an option, and it was bloody irresponsible of Johnson to run with it.
    Cake and eating was never an option once we had allowed the EU to be shaped in a way which would never be comfortable with vast swathes of UK opinion. The cake and eating option was available for decades through robust use of referendums and vetoes.

    Even now we are no longer in the EU the problem remains. It still has flag, anthem, central bank, ambassadors, single currency, overriding law making powers, overruling courts, bogus parliament etc; but still does not have democracy, a single economic plan and defence policy and lots of other elements that make for a stable unit. Its population is 3 times that of Russia and it has no useful levers in this terrible war.

  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,908
    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Leech bite? Though unlikely in your beddy
    byes.
    Don’t think so - he’s busy skittling Kiwis at Headingly.
    Do they look like Lyme disease at all?
    Not tick, and too early (presumably). Plus the Lyme rash is [edit] logically distinct from the actual bite.itchiness/etc, if only in terms of its occurrence (albeit in the same spot). But it is a good point. And if the distinctive rash appears - GP pronto.

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lyme-disease/
    Definitely not that. Just some inept insect clearly tried to bite me, took a taste, got pissed on the pure alcohol running through my system and kept trying again - like when you decide to have a shot of tequila and it turns into 8……

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,348
    edited June 2022
    Flanner said:

    HYUFD said:

    T
    It was not Cameron that won them for the Tories as most of them stayed LD in 2010, it was the coalition which saw leftwing LD voters switch en masse to Labour [in 2015]

    ...Heavily assisted by aggressive Tory targeting (and campaign overspending) in LibDem parliamentary seats in the year before the 2015 election.

    And, in the 2015 GE and the 2016 referendum, repeated UKIP/Tory claims - in both LD and Tory seats - that ConKip policies would help SW agriculture and fisheries.

    Resulting in a 10,000 vote loss for the LDs in T&H between 2010 and 2015. Of which UKIP collected 5,500, Tories 1,500, Greens 2,600 and Labour 2,000. HYFUD's analysis is as nonsensical as the claims the ConKips made in the last decade to justify their determination to destroy the UK economy.

    It's not just Johnson's obsession with dishonouring obligations that'll take decades to be forgotten. It's his party's commercial illiteracy and complete disregard for the national interest.
    So even on your figures more 2010 LDs went Labour than Cameron's Tories in a SW seat like T and H in 2015. The rest dividing between UKIP and the Greens
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,676
    edited June 2022
    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Leech bite? Though unlikely in your beddy
    byes.
    Don’t think so - he’s busy skittling Kiwis at Headingly.
    Do they look like Lyme disease at all?
    Not tick, and too early (presumably). Plus the Lyme rash is [edit] logically distinct from the actual bite.itchiness/etc, if only in terms of its occurrence (albeit in the same spot). But it is a good point. And if the distinctive rash appears - GP pronto.

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lyme-disease/
    It is unlikely to be a tick - my dog gets them now and again. You don't feel it because it injects anaesthetic for the first 24 hours, but you might notice the hard lump and, if you try to get rid of it (or it gets detached accidentally) the head normally stays in such that you have a lump left, which takes a week or two then to go away.

    In humans the symptoms are pretty similar - and all of this before Lyme disease is a potential issue.

    None of that sounds like what you have at all.

    If I had to guess, I'd say a nasty sort of ant got in your bed. You feel their bites - not immediately but not long after they are made - they can bite multiple times - and they are expert at being hard to find.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,370

    Why is it ok to be derogatory about us Celts? Substitute that word with many other ethnic identifiers and you’d be facing prosecution.

    For a “lawyer” to be doing so is particularly repugnant.

    It’s a play on words. The Celts are revolting against Boris Johnson.
    So are the English. Tiv & Hon is not particularly Celtic. With the map, the headline defines Celticness as all the way to Southampton.... Rather sloppy work, especially from a lawyer.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,908
    IanB2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Leech bite? Though unlikely in your beddy
    byes.
    Don’t think so - he’s busy skittling Kiwis at Headingly.
    Do they look like Lyme disease at all?
    Not tick, and too early (presumably). Plus the Lyme rash is [edit] logically distinct from the actual bite.itchiness/etc, if only in terms of its occurrence (albeit in the same spot). But it is a good point. And if the distinctive rash appears - GP pronto.

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lyme-disease/
    It is unlikely to be a tick - my dog gets them now and again. You don't feel it because it injects anaesthetic for the first 24 hours, but you might notice the hard lump and, if you try to get rid of it (or it gets detached accidentally) the head normally stays in such that you have a lump left, which takes a week or two then to go away.

    In humans the symptoms are pretty similar - and all of this before Lyme disease is a potential issue.

    None of that sounds like what you have at all.

    If I had to guess, I'd say a nasty sort of ant
    got in your bed. You feel their bites - not immediately but not long after they are made - they can bite multiple times - and they are expert at being hard to find.
    Here we go - it’s about the area of a 2p coin.




  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,604
    Looks like I’ve been sacked by my bank for being lax with security
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,908
    Very disappointed not to see Leon in this article - must have been travelling and unavailable for interview.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jun/26/tricks-of-their-trade-meet-the-uks-most-unusual-master-crafters
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,822
    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Flea bites are often in clusters. Very itchy too.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,643
    I sense we’re moving to another stage in the Kübler-Ross ladder of Bregret.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,631
    That bite looks like a spider to me @boulay
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,908
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Flea bites are often in clusters. Very itchy too.

    Nothing else apart from that cluster and nothing since thankfully. Also not raised or swollen just cuts at each bite point….
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,423
    Never heard of the likes of Bournemouth and Dorset being described as "Celtic" before.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,631
    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,570
    boulay said:

    Very disappointed not to see Leon in this article - must have been travelling and unavailable for interview.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jun/26/tricks-of-their-trade-meet-the-uks-most-unusual-master-crafters

    I think it may be because the flint knapping is just a cover story, and @Leon really spends his time reviewing airport lounges for the airport lounge trade magazine.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,822
    On the subject of the revolting Celts, it isn't just a West Country phenomenon. Polling for the Tories is pretty grim in Wales and Scotland too.

  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,370
    HYUFD said:

    Flanner said:

    HYUFD said:

    T
    It was not Cameron that won them for the Tories as most of them stayed LD in 2010, it was the coalition which saw leftwing LD voters switch en masse to Labour [in 2015]

    ...Heavily assisted by aggressive Tory targeting (and campaign overspending) in LibDem parliamentary seats in the year before the 2015 election.

    And, in the 2015 GE and the 2016 referendum, repeated UKIP/Tory claims - in both LD and Tory seats - that ConKip policies would help SW agriculture and fisheries.

    Resulting in a 10,000 vote loss for the LDs in T&H between 2010 and 2015. Of which UKIP collected 5,500, Tories 1,500, Greens 2,600 and Labour 2,000. HYFUD's analysis is as nonsensical as the claims the ConKips made in the last decade to justify their determination to destroy the UK economy.

    It's not just Johnson's obsession with dishonouring obligations that'll take decades to be forgotten. It's his party's commercial illiteracy and complete disregard for the national interest.
    So even on your figures more 2010 LDs went Labour than Cameron's Tories in a SW seat like T and H in 2015. The rest dividing between UKIP and the Greens
    And then UKIP (who took most of them) took over the Conservative Party and took the votes with them.

    But you must not forget, young HY, the vicious aggression from the Conservative Party and their illegal overspending, which Mr Flanner mentions.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,949
    DougSeal said:

    Looks like I’ve been sacked by my bank for being lax with security

    Or the naughty people who took over your bank account have locked you out of it. All hail the cashless society.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,908

    boulay said:

    Very disappointed not to see Leon in this article - must have been travelling and unavailable for interview.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jun/26/tricks-of-their-trade-meet-the-uks-most-unusual-master-crafters

    I think it may be because the flint knapping is just a cover story, and @Leon really spends his time reviewing airport lounges for the airport lounge trade magazine.
    Would that be “Lounge Lizard Monthly” for when Garfunkel’s and Boots just aren’t enough when you start your holiday.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,423
    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
  • EPGEPG Posts: 5,272
    HYUFD said:

    G7 leaders have coordinated their outfits.

    image

    First G7 summit where Johnson is the only conservative leader left (unless you include the Japanese LD party as conservative)
    Of course the LDP is conservative, albeit inclusive of enough clientelist local machines to let them govern Japan for all but four of the last 65 years.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ClippP said:

    Why is it ok to be derogatory about us Celts? Substitute that word with many other ethnic identifiers and you’d be facing prosecution.

    For a “lawyer” to be doing so is particularly repugnant.

    It’s a play on words. The Celts are revolting against Boris Johnson.
    So are the English. Tiv & Hon is not particularly Celtic. With the map, the headline defines Celticness as all the way to Southampton.... Rather sloppy work, especially from a lawyer.
    It's a yougov definition

    "These seats make up the ‘Conservative Celtic Fringe’, a group of 41 constituencies which fit under the umbrella of being in the South West region, have returned a Conservative MP since at least 2015, and voted Leave in 2016"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,348
    edited June 2022
    ClippP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Flanner said:

    HYUFD said:

    T
    It was not Cameron that won them for the Tories as most of them stayed LD in 2010, it was the coalition which saw leftwing LD voters switch en masse to Labour [in 2015]

    ...Heavily assisted by aggressive Tory targeting (and campaign overspending) in LibDem parliamentary seats in the year before the 2015 election.

    And, in the 2015 GE and the 2016 referendum, repeated UKIP/Tory claims - in both LD and Tory seats - that ConKip policies would help SW agriculture and fisheries.

    Resulting in a 10,000 vote loss for the LDs in T&H between 2010 and 2015. Of which UKIP collected 5,500, Tories 1,500, Greens 2,600 and Labour 2,000. HYFUD's analysis is as nonsensical as the claims the ConKips made in the last decade to justify their determination to destroy the UK economy.

    It's not just Johnson's obsession with dishonouring obligations that'll take decades to be forgotten. It's his party's commercial illiteracy and complete disregard for the national interest.
    So even on your figures more 2010 LDs went Labour than Cameron's Tories in a SW seat like T and H in 2015. The rest dividing between UKIP and the Greens
    And then UKIP (who took most of them) took over the Conservative Party and took the votes with them.

    But you must not forget, young HY, the vicious aggression from the Conservative Party and their illegal overspending, which Mr Flanner mentions.
    Yes, so in that case it was more Brexit that won the SW seats for the Tories from the LDs coupled with the coalition than Cameron.

    Seats which Cameron had more appeal than Boris in were the Bluewall Remain seats like Chesham and Amersham and in Surrey and West London and Oxfordshire.

    While Boris and getting Brexit done and fear of Corbyn was what won the redwall seats for the Tories in 2019
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,423
    edited June 2022
    Foxy said:

    On the subject of the revolting Celts, it isn't just a West Country phenomenon. Polling for the Tories is pretty grim in Wales and Scotland too.

    It would be interesting to have a by-election in somewhere like Derbyshire/Staffordshire/Leicestershire to see if the Tory vote is holding up much better in those types of places, because there has been a big movement from Labour to the Conservatives in the central Midlands over the last 3 or 4 general elections.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,631
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,676
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Flea bites are often in clusters. Very itchy too.

    But not normally in bed - typically fleas are in the carpet (if you have pets) and you get bites around the ankle.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 49,017
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    On the subject of the revolting Celts, it isn't just a West Country phenomenon. Polling for the Tories is pretty grim in Wales and Scotland too.

    It would be interesting to have a by-election in somewhere like Derbyshire/Staffordshire/Leicestershire to see if the Tory vote is holding up much better in those types of places, because there has been a big movement from Labour to the Conservatives in the central Midlands over the last 3 or 4 general elections.
    There hasn't but the Conservatives are doomed to defeat unless Boris goes.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,676
    Leon said:

    That bite looks like a spider to me @boulay

    I’m surprised you haven’t concluded it’s some sort of alien, collecting samples for analysis back on the mothership?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,676
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 3,808
    edited June 2022
    HYUFD said:

    This is a somewhat misleading post. From 1997 to 2015 the LDs won almost every seat in Devon and Cornwall and plenty of other seats in Dorset and Somerset too.

    It was not Cameron that won them for the Tories as most of them stayed LD in 2010, it was the coalition which saw leftwing LD voters switch en masse to Labour dividing the anti Tory vote in the SW and enabling the Tories to win them. The SW also voted for Brexit and hence both May and Johnson won more seats in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Somerset in 2017 and 2019 than Cameron did in 2010.

    The only seats in the SW Cameron really made a difference was Remain seats like Bath which were Tory in 2015 but went LD in 2017 after the Brexit vote

    Yes. The LibDems did pretty well against Cameron in 2010. Government meant that the LDs' fundamental dishonesty, pitching themselves as non-Labour anti-Tories in the South and non-Tory anti-Labour in the North, wouldn't work any more. They couldn't be the party of protest for the smug but dishonest, who now had to choose, and were devastated as a result. Not for a few years, anyway - people may be starting to buy it again. But it was that that doomed the LDs in 2015.

    It was an unexpected result of Cameron's poor showing at the 2010 election, at which he failed to win a majority against Gordon Bloody Brown after a devastating finanical crisis for Christ's sake. I'm still not sure how he managed that.

    Still, at least Cameron's mediocre campaigning skills got us out of the EU. He'll have that on his grave if nothing else.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 2,930
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:

    On the subject of the revolting Celts, it isn't just a West Country phenomenon. Polling for the Tories is pretty grim in Wales and Scotland too.

    It would be interesting to have a by-election in somewhere like Derbyshire/Staffordshire/Leicestershire to see if the Tory vote is holding up much better in those types of places, because there has been a big movement from Labour to the Conservatives in the central Midlands over the last 3 or 4 general elections.
    As a Staffordian by birth and youth I can say that outside the cities and conubations, the Tories have always been strong in the county areas mentioned, Notts has moved I would agree, and the Black Country became stronger for them. Not surprised really, they became so depressed and grotty under Labour, along with Stoke.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,631
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.

    Mate, I’ve been travelling for TEN WEEKS

    Kotor will still be out there tomorrow. Root might not
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,570
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.
    It’s a few hours out your day, and you can alternate with the nice view outside on the balcony. I listen to TMS whenever it’s on, holiday or not.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,631

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.
    It’s a few hours out your day, and you can alternate with the nice view outside on the balcony. I listen to TMS whenever it’s on, holiday or not.
    Watching excellent British sport live while in a cheap sunny foreign country is one of the great pleasures of modern travel. Only really do-able with top notch wifi and VPNs

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,676
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.
    It’s a few hours out your day, and you can alternate with the nice view outside on the balcony. I listen to TMS whenever it’s on, holiday or not.
    Watching excellent British sport live while in a cheap sunny foreign country is one of the great pleasures of modern travel. Only really do-able with top notch wifi and VPNs

    Yet you decide to watch the cricket.

    Case rests.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,604

    DougSeal said:

    Looks like I’ve been sacked by my bank for being lax with security

    Or the naughty people who took over your bank account have locked you out of it. All hail the cashless society.
    No, definitely the bank. They say I don’t keep my password secure enough - which is bollocks. I use #dfg-Ekpo-@7j2 for all my online passwords. Four special characters, seven different letters, one capitalised, in a random order. What more do they want?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,631
    England are set up sweetly here
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,604
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.
    It’s a few hours out your day, and you can alternate with the nice view outside on the balcony. I listen to TMS whenever it’s on, holiday or not.
    Watching excellent British sport live while in a cheap sunny foreign country is one of the great pleasures of modern travel. Only really do-able with top notch wifi and VPNs

    I spent a memorable summer in 1995 in Paris listening to TMS on R4 longwave
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 11,082

    G7 leaders have coordinated their outfits.

    image

    They almost always do, at least certainly no novelty.

    Recall one when Reagan was POTUS and G7 host, where big (white?) cowboy hats were part of undress uniform.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,682
    edited June 2022
    Ok, I may be missing something, but in amongst all the vast coverage of Glasto available on the BBC iPlayer site is there a way to watch last night's Macca set again?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,676
    edited June 2022
    The time to watch cricket is when you are indoors in your flat looking at the grey drizzle outside the window, and can’t face venturing out into the litter-strewn graffiti-ridden cesspit that is Camden Town, not least because your local drug debts remain unpaid; your Netflix and Amazon subscriptions have expired, and you have broken your right wrist such that no other source of entertainment is available, neither can you invest the time into practicing how to flick tiddlywinks into an old jam-jar. And you’ve lost the remote so can’t change the channel. And your ceilings are already free of spider fluff.

    Otherwise, just no.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,631
    edited June 2022
    To be fair to @IanB2 this is the view I am missing, from my balcony, as I watch the cricket. Perhaps foolish


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,348
    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is a somewhat misleading post. From 1997 to 2015 the LDs won almost every seat in Devon and Cornwall and plenty of other seats in Dorset and Somerset too.

    It was not Cameron that won them for the Tories as most of them stayed LD in 2010, it was the coalition which saw leftwing LD voters switch en masse to Labour dividing the anti Tory vote in the SW and enabling the Tories to win them. The SW also voted for Brexit and hence both May and Johnson won more seats in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Somerset in 2017 and 2019 than Cameron did in 2010.

    The only seats in the SW Cameron really made a difference was Remain seats like Bath which were Tory in 2015 but went LD in 2017 after the Brexit vote

    Yes. The LibDems did pretty well against Cameron in 2010. Government meant that the LDs' fundamental dishonesty, pitching themselves as non-Labour anti-Tories in the South and non-Tory anti-Labour in the North, wouldn't work any more. They couldn't be the party of protest for the smug but dishonest, who now had to choose, and were devastated as a result. Not for a few years, anyway - people may be starting to buy it again. But it was that that doomed the LDs in 2015.

    It was an unexpected result of Cameron's poor showing at the 2010 election, at which he failed to win a majority against Gordon Bloody Brown after a devastating finanical crisis for Christ's sake. I'm still not sure how he managed that.

    Still, at least Cameron's mediocre campaigning skills got us out of the EU. He'll have that on his grave if nothing else.
    Sir Keir Starmer is the Labour David Cameron discuss
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 11,082
    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Flea bites are often in clusters. Very itchy too.

    Nothing else apart from that cluster and nothing since thankfully. Also not raised or swollen just cuts at each bite point….
    Perhaps you are toxic for such vermin? Too intrinsically mean & nasty for the poor little bug(ger)s?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 11,082
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.

    Mate, I’ve been travelling for TEN WEEKS

    Kotor will still be out there tomorrow. Root might not
    Sliver of view of Kotor seen through your balcony door looks pretty damn amazing. Ditto the weather.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Looks like I’ve been sacked by my bank for being lax with security

    Or the naughty people who took over your bank account have locked you out of it. All hail the cashless society.
    No, definitely the bank. They say I don’t keep my password secure enough - which is bollocks. I use #dfg-Ekpo-@7j2 for all my online passwords. Four special characters, seven different letters, one capitalised, in a random order. What more do they want?
    Thanks for sharing...
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 24,023

    Ok, I may be missing something, but in amongst all the vast coverage of Glasto available on the BBC iPlayer site is there a way to watch last night's Macca set again?

    Not that I can see. The BBC took some flak for their delayed coverage last night. The BBC said that it was their choice, but I seem to recall their being issues around rights at Glastonbury.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 32,802
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.
    It’s a few hours out your day, and you can alternate with the nice view outside on the balcony. I listen to TMS whenever it’s on, holiday or not.
    Watching excellent British sport live while in a cheap sunny foreign country is one of the great pleasures of modern travel. Only really do-able with top notch wifi and VPNs

    I spent a memorable summer in 1995 in Paris listening to TMS on R4 longwave
    I once spent a few hours in northwest Scotland listening to some sport. I had no idea what it was, because it was in Gaelic. I think.

    Still more interesting than listening to cricket. ;)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,682
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Looks like I’ve been sacked by my bank for being lax with security

    Or the naughty people who took over your bank account have locked you out of it. All hail the cashless society.
    No, definitely the bank. They say I don’t keep my password secure enough - which is bollocks. I use #dfg-Ekpo-@7j2 for all my online passwords. Four special characters, seven different letters, one capitalised, in a random order. What more do they want?
    Hah! Same as mine! What are the chances, eh?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,604
    IshmaelZ said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Looks like I’ve been sacked by my bank for being lax with security

    Or the naughty people who took over your bank account have locked you out of it. All hail the cashless society.
    No, definitely the bank. They say I don’t keep my password secure enough - which is bollocks. I use #dfg-Ekpo-@7j2 for all my online passwords. Four special characters, seven different letters, one capitalised, in a random order. What more do they want?
    Thanks for sharing...
    I know. And “DougSeal” is my username for most sites (gmail etc) - not even my real name. It’s a farce what these banks get away with.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.
    Curious attack line from someone who spends a fortune driving a dog to Italy.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 32,135

    pigeon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bizarrely PM did NOT raise small boats in talks with Macron. Not sure that's going to land well at home.

    Also French say Boris showed "beacoup d'enthousiasme" for Macron's 2 speed EU plan that could see UK re-engage with bloc.

    No10 failed to even mention it had been discussed.

    Nor did PM raise NIP.

    Clear attempt to avoid a dust up like last year's G7... but something of a missed opportunity.

    For months HMG have privately been saying relations will get easier once Macron re-elected.

    But abject surrender today to Paris on big issues other than UKR.


    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1541071746085933057

    This is Harry "Tory Bear" Cole. If even he is unhappy with the Big Dog there may be trouble ahead...

    Sounds like Boris and Macron are colluding on some kind of plot to cancel Brexit.
    There's plenty of scope for re-engagement if the outer orbit that Macron wants to design excludes the free movement of people. Produce the appropriate compromise and everyone in Parliament except the Tory right would vote for it tomorrow.

    Whether such a compromise ever comes to pass is, of course, anyone's guess.
    It's what the median British voter was looking for in 2016, IMHO.
    Raising the cross channel boats with the French government is pointless. They will sign any number of agreements, but stopping the boats is not what the people living near the coast in France want. So nothing will happen.

    Raising the subject just increases the chance of another row. Remember when Chirac accused Blair of being ill-bred for suggesting that a promise to look at the CAP meant that the CAP should be looked at?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 43,011
    What's so "Celtic" about Devon and Somerset?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 24,023
    Leon said:

    To be fair to @IanB2 this is the view I am missing, from my balcony, as I watch the cricket. Perhaps foolish


    Perhaps at the end of each over you should check that the view is still there.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    What's so "Celtic" about Devon and Somerset?

    Those smooth talking, marauding Cornishmen spreading their seed?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,682

    What's so "Celtic" about Devon and Somerset?

    ...or Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, or Dorset for that matter?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2022

    https://unherd.com/2022/06/our-russia-strategy-has-backfired/

    Important reading on Ukraine.

    I am also reading recently (and I don't have sources or even know that this is a fact), that one of the reasons that Russia is gaining ground is that they have massive missile stockpiles and that their production speed is such that they can carry this on indefinitely. The West doesn't have huge stockpiles, and the production process is a lot slower and more expensive - like years. This would make sense - it's not shortage of sophisticated weaponry to send; it's physically not having the ammo.


    Are they gaining ground net or are they concentrating all their forced in one small space at the expense of Ukrainian advances elsewhere?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,604
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.

    Mate, I’ve been travelling for TEN WEEKS

    Kotor will still be out there tomorrow. Root might not
    Careful. Someone got banned on here yesterday for using the “M” word.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,570
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.

    Mate, I’ve been travelling for TEN WEEKS

    Kotor will still be out there tomorrow. Root might not
    Careful. Someone got banned on here yesterday for using the “M” word.
    They really didn’t. That was just the icing on the cake.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:

    This is a somewhat misleading post. From 1997 to 2015 the LDs won almost every seat in Devon and Cornwall and plenty of other seats in Dorset and Somerset too.

    It was not Cameron that won them for the Tories as most of them stayed LD in 2010, it was the coalition which saw leftwing LD voters switch en masse to Labour dividing the anti Tory vote in the SW and enabling the Tories to win them. The SW also voted for Brexit and hence both May and Johnson won more seats in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Somerset in 2017 and 2019 than Cameron did in 2010.

    The only seats in the SW Cameron really made a difference was Remain seats like Bath which were Tory in 2015 but went LD in 2017 after the Brexit vote

    ???

    North Cornwall 2010 - LD Hold
    LD: 22,512
    Lab: 1,971

    North Cornwall 2015 - Con Gain
    LD: 15,068 (-16.9)
    Lab: 2,621 (+1.2)
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,604

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.

    Mate, I’ve been travelling for TEN WEEKS

    Kotor will still be out there tomorrow. Root might not
    Careful. Someone got banned on here yesterday for using the “M” word.
    They really didn’t. That was just the icing on the cake.
    I was making a very small joke.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,348
    Alistair said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is a somewhat misleading post. From 1997 to 2015 the LDs won almost every seat in Devon and Cornwall and plenty of other seats in Dorset and Somerset too.

    It was not Cameron that won them for the Tories as most of them stayed LD in 2010, it was the coalition which saw leftwing LD voters switch en masse to Labour dividing the anti Tory vote in the SW and enabling the Tories to win them. The SW also voted for Brexit and hence both May and Johnson won more seats in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Somerset in 2017 and 2019 than Cameron did in 2010.

    The only seats in the SW Cameron really made a difference was Remain seats like Bath which were Tory in 2015 but went LD in 2017 after the Brexit vote

    ???

    North Cornwall 2010 - LD Hold
    LD: 22,512
    Lab: 1,971

    North Cornwall 2015 - Con Gain
    LD: 15,068 (-16.9)
    Lab: 2,621 (+1.2)
    So still LD to Labour swing even there, even if not as much as the LD to UKIP swing there, UKIP's vote up 7.8%.

    So again it was more Brexit and the coalition that won the SW for the Tories not Cameron
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 49,017
    HYUFD said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is a somewhat misleading post. From 1997 to 2015 the LDs won almost every seat in Devon and Cornwall and plenty of other seats in Dorset and Somerset too.

    It was not Cameron that won them for the Tories as most of them stayed LD in 2010, it was the coalition which saw leftwing LD voters switch en masse to Labour dividing the anti Tory vote in the SW and enabling the Tories to win them. The SW also voted for Brexit and hence both May and Johnson won more seats in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Somerset in 2017 and 2019 than Cameron did in 2010.

    The only seats in the SW Cameron really made a difference was Remain seats like Bath which were Tory in 2015 but went LD in 2017 after the Brexit vote

    Yes. The LibDems did pretty well against Cameron in 2010. Government meant that the LDs' fundamental dishonesty, pitching themselves as non-Labour anti-Tories in the South and non-Tory anti-Labour in the North, wouldn't work any more. They couldn't be the party of protest for the smug but dishonest, who now had to choose, and were devastated as a result. Not for a few years, anyway - people may be starting to buy it again. But it was that that doomed the LDs in 2015.

    It was an unexpected result of Cameron's poor showing at the 2010 election, at which he failed to win a majority against Gordon Bloody Brown after a devastating finanical crisis for Christ's sake. I'm still not sure how he managed that.

    Still, at least Cameron's mediocre campaigning skills got us out of the EU. He'll have that on his grave if nothing else.
    Sir Keir Starmer is the Labour David Cameron discuss
    He isn't.

    End of discussion.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,751
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN

    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.

    Mate, I’ve been travelling for TEN WEEKS

    Kotor will still be out there tomorrow. Root might not
    Careful. Someone got banned on here yesterday for using the “M” word.
    They really didn’t. That was just the icing on the cake.
    I was making a very small joke.
    It pal led quickly…

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 49,017

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Looks like I’ve been sacked by my bank for being lax with security

    Or the naughty people who took over your bank account have locked you out of it. All hail the cashless society.
    No, definitely the bank. They say I don’t keep my password secure enough - which is bollocks. I use #dfg-Ekpo-@7j2 for all my online passwords. Four special characters, seven different letters, one capitalised, in a random order. What more do they want?
    Hah! Same as mine! What are the chances, eh?
    I use [email protected]$hAft69.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 49,017
    Leon said:

    To be fair to @IanB2 this is the view I am missing, from my balcony, as I watch the cricket. Perhaps foolish


    Do you no longer need to work?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,682
    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN

    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.

    Mate, I’ve been travelling for TEN WEEKS

    Kotor will still be out there tomorrow. Root might not
    Careful. Someone got banned on here yesterday for using the “M” word.
    They really didn’t. That was just the icing on the cake.
    I was making a very small joke.
    It pal led quickly…

    You've nipped that in the, Bud.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,829

    What's so "Celtic" about Devon and Somerset?

    ...or Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, or Dorset for that matter?
    Wel, not since about 600 CE or thereabouts.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,829

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good stuff from England

    Have I jinxed it?

    Is it possible to watch the cricket from Montenegro
    The joys of Sky Go plus VPN



    Going all the way to Montenegro to spend your time watching cricket must be the absolute definition of stupidity.
    It’s a few hours out your day, and you can alternate with the nice view outside on the balcony. I listen to TMS whenever it’s on, holiday or not.
    Watching excellent British sport live while in a cheap sunny foreign country is one of the great pleasures of modern travel. Only really do-able with top notch wifi and VPNs

    I spent a memorable summer in 1995 in Paris listening to TMS on R4 longwave
    I once spent a few hours in northwest Scotland listening to some sport. I had no idea what it was, because it was in Gaelic. I think.

    Still more interesting than listening to cricket. ;)
    Camanachd, probably.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,949

    Leon said:

    To be fair to @IanB2 this is the view I am missing, from my balcony, as I watch the cricket. Perhaps foolish


    Do you no longer need to work?
    He is working. You see hills and mountains in @Leon's photos — he sees limitless supplies of flint.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 32,802
    Alistair said:

    https://unherd.com/2022/06/our-russia-strategy-has-backfired/

    Important reading on Ukraine.

    I am also reading recently (and I don't have sources or even know that this is a fact), that one of the reasons that Russia is gaining ground is that they have massive missile stockpiles and that their production speed is such that they can carry this on indefinitely. The West doesn't have huge stockpiles, and the production process is a lot slower and more expensive - like years. This would make sense - it's not shortage of sophisticated weaponry to send; it's physically not having the ammo.


    Are they gaining ground net or are they concentrating all their forced in one small space at the expense of Ukrainian advances elsewhere?
    Is LuckyGuy typing from a St Petersburg office room? ;)

    (In all seriousness he, and others, should read "We are Bellingcat". A very good story of how Bellingcat started, and how the likes of LuckyGuy are worse than the 'useful idiot' moniker they usually get called.)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,829
    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    O/T with apologies but PB is the place most likely to host a random expert on insect bites!

    I was bitten a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep - felt it at the time, almost like a bee or wasp sting without the dull ache afterwards. Couldn’t see the culprit by the time I had light.

    What I now have is about 8 or ten puncture wounds that are like small cuts in an almost circular area the size of a two pence piece. No swelling just scabbing around the punctures.

    Cannot find anything similar online so was intrigued and thought someone here might have had similar and know what it was. Thanks and apologies!

    Spider?

    Wasps like to hide in the bed. They fly through the window, say what’s all this then. Oh, that looks cosy
    Have had lots of spider bites in past but this is different as lots of random individual punctures in a set area rather than pairs of punctures. Very weird

    Did you drop a lamprey in the bed
    Weirdly it doesn’t look dissimilar to a Lamprey’s mouth/bite!

    Or a tiny vampire.

    Flea bites are often in clusters. Very itchy too.

    Nothing else apart from that cluster and nothing since thankfully. Also not raised or swollen just cuts at each bite point….
    Cut rather than puncture? I do wonder about ladybirds, for instance. They have biting rather than puncturing mouths, but then so do ants.
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