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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Only three years younger than my dad. Unbelievable
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    Macca is soooooo old.

    Live and Let Live :)
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Yepp. It was shot even back at the Olympics opening ceremony: that was just cringeworthy.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548
    No question that Boris Johnson's Tories DO know a thing or two (really WAY more) about stabs in the back.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    All part of the current state of the world. Biden, Trump, Macca - 80 year old boomers not leaving the stage.

    Pity His Bobness isn't just dictator.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    Foxy said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    Well past his best, but a legend.

    I have seen a few dinosaurs in my time. The Stones were old when I saw them in 82, but by 2018 were ancient. Still worth seeing though.
    I swa them at Murrayfield in 1999. Was just incredible. Probably the best concert I have ever been to.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Scott_xP said:

    Compare and contrast...

    Reality is closing in on Boris Johnson | Sonia Purnell https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/25/reality-is-closing-in-on-boris-johnson-narcissist

    Oh yeah?

    New: Boris Johnson wants to lead Britain into the "mid-2030s"

    Speaking in Kigali, he said: "At the moment I am thinking actively about the third term and what could happen then. But I will review that when I get to it.”

    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1540809987462758400

    "I am thinking actively"

    Massive LOL.

    Yeh, right.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    Foxy said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    Well past his best, but a legend.

    I have seen a few dinosaurs in my time. The Stones were old when I saw them in 82, but by 2018 were ancient. Still worth seeing though.
    I rather thought the stones looked like animatronic puppets in 2018. I gather the bbc only showed the less popular hits, but it wasn’t great.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    This is a poor version of “Letting Go” which was not the greatest song to begin with.
    The original is anguished, not self-congratulatorily plodding.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Only three years younger than my dad. Unbelievable
    That veggie diet has kept him in good fettle tbf
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Yepp. It was shot even back at the Olympics opening ceremony: that was just cringeworthy.
    We agree!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Only three years younger than my dad. Unbelievable
    That veggie diet has kept him in good fettle tbf
    Yep, plus all the medical care etc that money can buy.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Only three years younger than my dad. Unbelievable
    That veggie diet has kept him in good fettle tbf
    Yep, plus all the medical care etc that money can buy.
    A lot of yoga.
    And basically nobody in the industry has a bad word to say about him.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    Scott_xP said:

    Between this and his "I won't change" stuff earlier, it's like he's goading the Tory rebels into having another go at bringing him down. https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1540809987462758400

    He's making them confront the truth - he will not make it easy for them by quitting or improving himself.

    They need to stop hoping for either and decide if they can live with that.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Only three years younger than my dad. Unbelievable
    That veggie diet has kept him in good fettle tbf
    Being super rich helps.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Only three years younger than my dad. Unbelievable
    That veggie diet has kept him in good fettle tbf
    Yep, plus all the medical care etc that money can buy.
    A lot of yoga.
    And basically nobody in the industry has a bad word to say about him.
    He's also the only Beatle who stayed in the country and actually paid his taxes here.
    That and being an Evertonian.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    Scott_xP said:

    Between this and his "I won't change" stuff earlier, it's like he's goading the Tory rebels into having another go at bringing him down. https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1540809987462758400

    Yeah maybe he's just having a laugh now.

    Sorry what do I mean "now"?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,353

    Apologies for missing the Opinium. We were dancing.

    Now this is interesting. Below mini thread is two weeks old. It’s where Sunil - aw bless him - called PBs Psephology Eminence “lucky” for calling the last Opinium spot on - so I gave him todays poll outcome two weeks ago - again, spot on.


    Sunil_Prasannan said:
    « hide previous quotes
    MoonRabbit said:
    dixiedean said:
    EPG said:
    MoonRabbit said:
    HYUFD said:
    Johnson cuts the Labour lead to just 2% with Opinium tonight after winning his VONC last week.

    Still yet another PB thread predicting his demise

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1535698379703037952?s=20&t=g5Q5K-mgRBs0Yp4BeQrdKQ
    From 3% last time you are referring to? And admitting the 34 and 33 Tory % in last two polls from this firm have swing back built in that possibly might never happen if Johnson is still there splitting the party?

    How more helpful and polite can I say this? 😆
    What exactly have Opinium done to the headline figures?
    They've got new methodology.
    They call it building in swingback. They get the raw figures sort of in line with the 6 7 8’s everyone else reporting, and work under the bonnet on idea governments “always” get a certain swing back once elections are announced and campaigns underway, this firm reckon they can say know how much and adjust it into the figures their survey actually returned. I think the mainstream media are more grown up about this these days so you won’t see any silly “labour lead slashed to two” headlines from them like some posts here this evening.

    I love this poll, and the fact it’s two a month, because it’s always so predictable for the better and smarter poll analysts (like I was spot on tonight) so I really feel if the headline figures for each party show a consistent shift in this one we can believe it’s going on.
    I call it luck! :lol:
    It’s actually easy Sunhil. The gaps never been more than 4, labour never more than 38, Tories never lower than the 33 last time that was 33 playing 36, and post vonc polls from other firms, though not many, have been static (let’s see what happens after two weeks) It was easy, and why this poll will be the one to quickly reveal the % for each party is on the move.

    I’ll show you how easy it is by telling you the result of the next Opinium poll right here right now. Labour 37/38, Tories 34/33. And I’ll explain why. The post vonc narrative now building and will dominate next few weeks of a governing party split and at war, with awful impact on policies, will feed into that next poll, but it will be surprising if it shifts this methodology more than into gap of 3 or 4.

    By all means keep this.

    "I call it luck!" - Han Solo in the original Star Wars (1977).
    “Feel the force, Luke.” Same film.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Only three years younger than my dad. Unbelievable
    That veggie diet has kept him in good fettle tbf
    Yep, plus all the medical care etc that money can buy.
    A lot of yoga.
    And basically nobody in the industry has a bad word to say about him.
    He does seem like a really nice person.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,183
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    Well past his best, but a legend.

    I have seen a few dinosaurs in my time. The Stones were old when I saw them in 82, but by 2018 were ancient. Still worth seeing though.
    I swa them at Murrayfield in 1999. Was just incredible. Probably the best concert I have ever been to.
    Heard Bruce Springsteen live about 30 years ago. I was sitting in my garden in Stoke Newington while he was appearing in Finsbury Park. No need to buy a ticket. Curious business plan: charge a small fortune then give it away...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Only three years younger than my dad. Unbelievable
    That veggie diet has kept him in good fettle tbf
    Not so good for poor old Linda.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Only three years younger than my dad. Unbelievable
    That veggie diet has kept him in good fettle tbf
    Yep, plus all the medical care etc that money can buy.
    A lot of yoga.
    And basically nobody in the industry has a bad word to say about him.
    He's also the only Beatle who stayed in the country and actually paid his taxes here.
    That and being an Evertonian.
    I’ve actually been to his house in Maida Vale.
    He leads as “normal” a life it’s possible to do when you’re a Beatle.

    I think one of the reasons I love him is that he reminds me of my Dad (born 1935 in Birkenhead).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    All part of the current state of the world. Biden, Trump, Macca - 80 year old boomers not leaving the stage.

    Pity His Bobness isn't just dictator.
    Who is the oldest seriously active rock/pop musician?

    Dylan is 81.

    Paul Simon is 80, but not really active.



  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Only three years younger than my dad. Unbelievable
    That veggie diet has kept him in good fettle tbf
    Yep, plus all the medical care etc that money can buy.
    A lot of yoga.
    And basically nobody in the industry has a bad word to say about him.
    They wouldn't, about someone who was absolutely no challenge
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,851
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Between this and his "I won't change" stuff earlier, it's like he's goading the Tory rebels into having another go at bringing him down. https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1540809987462758400

    He's making them confront the truth - he will not make it easy for them by quitting or improving himself.

    They need to stop hoping for either and decide if they can live with that.
    The longer he plays this game the worse it becomes with the electorate for the tories.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    Haha very good spoof.

    McCartney's an absolute musical genius and you know it!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    So you occasionally say.
    Deafness is a terrible scourge.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    So you occasionally say.
    Deafness is a terrible scourge.

    I fear a new fault line in the PB culture wars has just been opened.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Between this and his "I won't change" stuff earlier, it's like he's goading the Tory rebels into having another go at bringing him down. https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1540809987462758400

    He's making them confront the truth - he will not make it easy for them by quitting or improving himself.

    They need to stop hoping for either and decide if they can live with that.
    The longer he plays this game the worse it becomes with the electorate for the tories.
    Indeed. I am so torn!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    Haha very good spoof.

    McCartney's an absolute musical genius and you know it!
    Paul Simon wrote better songs.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    Apologies for missing the Opinium. We were dancing.

    Now this is interesting. Below mini thread is two weeks old. It’s where Sunil - aw bless him - called PBs Psephology Eminence “lucky” for calling the last Opinium spot on - so I gave him todays poll outcome two weeks ago - again, spot on.


    Sunil_Prasannan said:
    « hide previous quotes
    MoonRabbit said:
    dixiedean said:
    EPG said:
    MoonRabbit said:
    HYUFD said:
    Johnson cuts the Labour lead to just 2% with Opinium tonight after winning his VONC last week.

    Still yet another PB thread predicting his demise

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1535698379703037952?s=20&t=g5Q5K-mgRBs0Yp4BeQrdKQ
    From 3% last time you are referring to? And admitting the 34 and 33 Tory % in last two polls from this firm have swing back built in that possibly might never happen if Johnson is still there splitting the party?

    How more helpful and polite can I say this? 😆
    What exactly have Opinium done to the headline figures?
    They've got new methodology.
    They call it building in swingback. They get the raw figures sort of in line with the 6 7 8’s everyone else reporting, and work under the bonnet on idea governments “always” get a certain swing back once elections are announced and campaigns underway, this firm reckon they can say know how much and adjust it into the figures their survey actually returned. I think the mainstream media are more grown up about this these days so you won’t see any silly “labour lead slashed to two” headlines from them like some posts here this evening.

    I love this poll, and the fact it’s two a month, because it’s always so predictable for the better and smarter poll analysts (like I was spot on tonight) so I really feel if the headline figures for each party show a consistent shift in this one we can believe it’s going on.
    I call it luck! :lol:
    It’s actually easy Sunhil. The gaps never been more than 4, labour never more than 38, Tories never lower than the 33 last time that was 33 playing 36, and post vonc polls from other firms, though not many, have been static (let’s see what happens after two weeks) It was easy, and why this poll will be the one to quickly reveal the % for each party is on the move.

    I’ll show you how easy it is by telling you the result of the next Opinium poll right here right now. Labour 37/38, Tories 34/33. And I’ll explain why. The post vonc narrative now building and will dominate next few weeks of a governing party split and at war, with awful impact on policies, will feed into that next poll, but it will be surprising if it shifts this methodology more than into gap of 3 or 4.

    By all means keep this.

    "I call it luck!" - Han Solo in the original Star Wars (1977).
    “Feel the force, Luke.” Same film.
    Picking up scales and broken chords
    Puppy dog tails in the House of Lords
    Tell me darlin'
    What can it mean?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Between this and his "I won't change" stuff earlier, it's like he's goading the Tory rebels into having another go at bringing him down. https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1540809987462758400

    He's making them confront the truth - he will not make it easy for them by quitting or improving himself.

    They need to stop hoping for either and decide if they can live with that.
    The longer he plays this game the worse it becomes with the electorate for the tories.
    Why would he care about the impact of the game if he is no longer on the board? It's why he cannot be shamed to go.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    Haha very good spoof.

    McCartney's an absolute musical genius and you know it!
    Yeah good point except for any evidence

    In the age of the Grateful Dead, Doors, Dylan, Neil Young and Nirvana, bigging up the loveable mopheads is British exceptionalism at its most embarrassing
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    All part of the current state of the world. Biden, Trump, Macca - 80 year old boomers not leaving the stage.

    Pity His Bobness isn't just dictator.
    Who is the oldest seriously active rock/pop musician?

    Dylan is 81.

    Paul Simon is 80, but not really active.



    Dylan's still on his never ending tour.

    https://www.bobdylan.com/on-tour/

    No one can moan his voice is shot. He still releases material. Intermittently.
    Too intelligent.to die.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    All part of the current state of the world. Biden, Trump, Macca - 80 year old boomers not leaving the stage.

    Pity His Bobness isn't just dictator.
    Who is the oldest seriously active rock/pop musician?

    Dylan is 81.

    Paul Simon is 80, but not really active.
    Jerry Lee Lewis is 86, dunno if he performs.
    Mavis Staples does, aged 82.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Between this and his "I won't change" stuff earlier, it's like he's goading the Tory rebels into having another go at bringing him down. https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1540809987462758400

    He's making them confront the truth - he will not make it easy for them by quitting or improving himself.

    They need to stop hoping for either and decide if they can live with that.
    The longer he plays this game the worse it becomes with the electorate for the tories.
    The rebels have so fecked up by not delaying their letters until this weekend.

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    You can shine your shoes and wear a suit
    You can comb your hair and look quite cute
    You can hide your face behind a smile
    One thing you can't hide
    Is when you're crippled inside

    You can wear a mask and paint your face
    You can call yourself the human race
    You can wear a collar and a tie
    One thing you can't hide
    Is when you're crippled inside

    Well now, you know
    That your cat has nine lives, babe
    Nine lives to itself
    You only got one
    And a dog's life ain't fun
    Momma, take a look outside
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    Haha very good spoof.

    McCartney's an absolute musical genius and you know it!
    Paul Simon wrote better songs.

    You can call me "Pal" :lol:
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    So you occasionally say.
    Deafness is a terrible scourge.

    Yeah, it was Lennon's downfall
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    All part of the current state of the world. Biden, Trump, Macca - 80 year old boomers not leaving the stage.

    Pity His Bobness isn't just dictator.
    Who is the oldest seriously active rock/pop musician?

    Dylan is 81.

    Paul Simon is 80, but not really active.



    Willie Nelson is 89.

    Still going.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    Haha very good spoof.

    McCartney's an absolute musical genius and you know it!
    Paul Simon wrote better songs.

    You can call me "Pal" :lol:
    Nice one mate
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    Haha very good spoof.

    McCartney's an absolute musical genius and you know it!
    Yeah good point except for any evidence

    In the age of the Grateful Dead, Doors, Dylan, Neil Young and Nirvana, bigging up the loveable mopheads is British exceptionalism at its most embarrassing
    All made possible by the Beatles.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    NEW: A Tory donor has been given a senior position within the honours system.

    John Booth, who has given the party more than £200k, has been made chair of the committee overseeing arts and media honours. He also has a place on the overall honours committee. 1/4

    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1540816986724253699
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    Nick Mason is 78 and still touring. Saucerful of Secrets is a great show, with plenty of self depreciating humour.

    He looks like my uncle Gordon though.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    .@ShippersUnbound political read: ‘The immediate threat to Johnson remains from his own party. Just three weeks after winning the no-confidence vote, several dozen letters demanding another have already been submitted to Sir Graham Brady.’ That’s 36 letters. On Saturday… Monday?
    https://twitter.com/emilysheffield/status/1540817055917772804
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    Haha very good spoof.

    McCartney's an absolute musical genius and you know it!
    Yeah good point except for any evidence

    In the age of the Grateful Dead, Doors, Dylan, Neil Young and Nirvana, bigging up the loveable mopheads is British exceptionalism at its most embarrassing
    All made possible by the Beatles.
    Hang on.
    Dylan made possible by the Beatles?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    Haha very good spoof.

    McCartney's an absolute musical genius and you know it!
    Paul Simon wrote better songs.

    I'm a big fan of Paul Simon. Some fantastic songs too of course.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: A Tory donor has been given a senior position within the honours system.

    John Booth, who has given the party more than £200k, has been made chair of the committee overseeing arts and media honours. He also has a place on the overall honours committee. 1/4

    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1540816986724253699

    Used to play centre alongside John Booth. Assume it isn't him?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    Andy_JS said:

    🚨LATEST @OpiniumResearch/
    @ObserverUK poll🚨

    Labour's lead edges up to 3 points over the Tories:

    Con 34% (n/c)
    Lab 37% (+1)
    Lib Dem 11% (-2)
    Green 6% (n/c)

    Fieldwork was conducted June 22nd-24th https://t.co/75FriC9q7N

    The boredom is real

    That's a poor opinion poll for both main parties.
    Don't forget Opinium accounts for Tory swing back.

    This has got to be the polling organisation to give us our first Tory crossover on Starmer and Rayner's imminent convictions.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    dixiedean said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    Haha very good spoof.

    McCartney's an absolute musical genius and you know it!
    Yeah good point except for any evidence

    In the age of the Grateful Dead, Doors, Dylan, Neil Young and Nirvana, bigging up the loveable mopheads is British exceptionalism at its most embarrassing
    All made possible by the Beatles.
    Hang on.
    Dylan made possible by the Beatles?
    Well, I'll give you Dylan. Missed him in that list.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    All part of the current state of the world. Biden, Trump, Macca - 80 year old boomers not leaving the stage.

    Pity His Bobness isn't just dictator.
    Who is the oldest seriously active rock/pop musician?

    Dylan is 81.

    Paul Simon is 80, but not really active.
    Jerry Lee Lewis is 86, dunno if he performs.


    Last man standing!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    Haha very good spoof.

    McCartney's an absolute musical genius and you know it!
    Paul Simon wrote better songs.

    You can call me "Pal" :lol:
    Nice one mate
    Careful bud, people have been banned for less.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965
    2030? That was over two and a half hours ago and we still aren't rid of the lying fecker.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    There are a few Beatles refuseniks in the population. They are to be pitied.

    Same as people who don’t “get” Bach, Shakespeare, Miles Davis, Kubrick, Picasso, or Michelangelo.

    McCartney is a weak lyricist but Shakespeare’s comedies aren’t especially funny either.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Between this and his "I won't change" stuff earlier, it's like he's goading the Tory rebels into having another go at bringing him down. https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1540809987462758400

    He's making them confront the truth - he will not make it easy for them by quitting or improving himself.

    They need to stop hoping for either and decide if they can live with that.
    The longer he plays this game the worse it becomes with the electorate for the tories.
    The rebels have so fecked up by not delaying their letters until this weekend.

    "You weren't on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you!"
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,353

    Andy_JS said:

    🚨LATEST @OpiniumResearch/
    @ObserverUK poll🚨

    Labour's lead edges up to 3 points over the Tories:

    Con 34% (n/c)
    Lab 37% (+1)
    Lib Dem 11% (-2)
    Green 6% (n/c)

    Fieldwork was conducted June 22nd-24th https://t.co/75FriC9q7N

    The boredom is real

    That's a poor opinion poll for both main parties.
    Don't forget Opinium accounts for Tory swing back.

    This has got to be the polling organisation to give us our first Tory crossover on Starmer and Rayner's imminent convictions.
    Have you got your patter in the bag in the case they don’t get them?

    I think Mail and others pushed it thinking it would help Boris, but it turns out there will be much inherent vice in that if Starmer has to quit leaving Boris still there. What could be the pro Boris line? “Starmer doesn’t actually need to quit?”
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    He was a comically talentless wanker from birth

    Owe me shell
    Owe me bell
    Song day mow key von tray been on somble

    Etc. I wouldn't mention the fact, it's just the slightly more talented Lennon agreed with me.
    Haha very good spoof.

    McCartney's an absolute musical genius and you know it!
    Paul Simon wrote better songs.

    You can call me "Pal" :lol:
    Nice one mate
    Careful bud, people have been banned for less.
    50 ways to be banned by @rcs1000
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    My Valentine easily the best one yet. His voice is almost coping with it and he is sincere.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153
    edited June 2022
    DavidL said:

    My Valentine easily the best one yet. His voice is almost coping with it and he is sincere.

    Natalie Portman and Johnny Depp on screen?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    All part of the current state of the world. Biden, Trump, Macca - 80 year old boomers not leaving the stage.

    Pity His Bobness isn't just dictator.
    Who is the oldest seriously active rock/pop musician?

    Dylan is 81.

    Paul Simon is 80, but not really active.



    Willie Nelson is 89.

    Still going.
    Christ alone knows how.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    DavidL said:

    My Valentine easily the best one yet. His voice is almost coping with it and he is sincere.

    I'm hoping we get Sand On The Bum at some point.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,708

    There are a few Beatles refuseniks in the population. They are to be pitied.

    Same as people who don’t “get” Bach, Shakespeare, Miles Davis, Kubrick, Picasso, or Michelangelo.

    McCartney is a weak lyricist but Shakespeare’s comedies aren’t especially funny either.

    Can't say I'm much of a fan of Kubrick.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Elvis of course is the oldest living performer.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Jonathan said:

    Elvis of course is the oldest living performer.

    only on the moon.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Good article by James Fallows.

    The Supreme Court's power depends on its legitimacy. It has given that away.
    https://fallows.substack.com/p/a-branch-of-government-self-destructs
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
    ·
    45m
    Tory MP Andrew Bridgen says: "I don’t mind if the PM stays till 2030, he can resign at 9pm if he wants."
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488
    GIN1138 said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    All part of the current state of the world. Biden, Trump, Macca - 80 year old boomers not leaving the stage.

    Pity His Bobness isn't just dictator.
    Who is the oldest seriously active rock/pop musician?

    Dylan is 81.

    Paul Simon is 80, but not really active.
    Jerry Lee Lewis is 86, dunno if he performs.


    Last man standing!
    All killer no filler.

    Tony Bennett retired last year at 95.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    There are a few Beatles refuseniks in the population. They are to be pitied.

    Same as people who don’t “get” Bach, Shakespeare, Miles Davis, Kubrick, Picasso, or Michelangelo.

    McCartney is a weak lyricist but Shakespeare’s comedies aren’t especially funny either.

    Can't say I'm much of a fan of Kubrick.
    Gentlemen! You can't discuss politics in here! This is PB.com!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153
    Love Me Do - This is what the Glasto crowd were waiting for lol!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    GIN1138 said:

    Love Me Do - This is what the Glasto crowd were waiting for lol!

    Nicely done though
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153

    GIN1138 said:

    Love Me Do - This is what the Glasto crowd were waiting for lol!

    Nicely done though
    Oh yeah it was.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    All part of the current state of the world. Biden, Trump, Macca - 80 year old boomers not leaving the stage.

    Pity His Bobness isn't just dictator.
    Who is the oldest seriously active rock/pop musician?

    Dylan is 81.

    Paul Simon is 80, but not really active.



    Willie Nelson is 89.

    Still going.
    Christ alone knows how.
    This commercial current running in USA:

    Willie Nelson - Legalize Skechers
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLniw4PvLj8
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Love Me Do - This is what the Glasto crowd were waiting for lol!

    Nicely done though
    Oh yeah it was.
    He's warming up. Getting a lot better as the night rolls on.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    carnforth said:

    GIN1138 said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    All part of the current state of the world. Biden, Trump, Macca - 80 year old boomers not leaving the stage.

    Pity His Bobness isn't just dictator.
    Who is the oldest seriously active rock/pop musician?

    Dylan is 81.

    Paul Simon is 80, but not really active.
    Jerry Lee Lewis is 86, dunno if he performs.


    Last man standing!
    All killer no filler.

    Tony Bennett retired last year at 95.

    So, come back tour next year then?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Wow. Here Today.

    Now he's getting going.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,503
    Calling Richard Tyndall - does this account of an oil rig town sound plausible, or is she just hyping her book?

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jun/25/cocaine-class-everyone-in-this-town-takes-drugs-all-the-time
  • DayTripperDayTripper Posts: 137
    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Well I've just seen the Stones in Hyde Park and they were *phenomenal*.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167
    O/T

    Interesting documentary from 1991 about local people who weren't fans of the Docklands / Canary Wharf development.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMwesTFo8vM
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,638

    DavidL said:

    Macca is soooooo old.

    He looks pretty good for 80 but his voice is completely shot.
    Slightly depressing for a man who had amazing vocal control and range. He can still scream well, by the sounds of Junior’s Farm.

    I fucking love him though.
    To put it in perspective, it would be like Billie Eilish headlining Glasto in 2082.
    Paul McCartney is an all time great 👍👍
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,062
    So, judges who swore that Roe v Wade was settled law, perjured themselves. So.. it. is impeachment thzt
    is clearly right.....
  • Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Interesting documentary from 1991 about local people who weren't fans of the Docklands / Canary Wharf development.

    https://www.youtube.com/watchv=uMwesTFo8vM

    Years later, I think CW may suffer most after Covid
  • Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
    ·
    45m
    Tory MP Andrew Bridgen says: "I don’t mind if the PM stays till 2030, he can resign at 9pm if he wants."

    That’s quite good for Boggis/Bunce/Bean
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153
    edited June 2022

    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
    ·
    45m
    Tory MP Andrew Bridgen says: "I don’t mind if the PM stays till 2030, he can resign at 9pm if he wants."

    Andrew Bridgen is a very, very, very strange person.

    Like politics attracts odd people (no disrespect PB) but usually they don't actually get to Parliament... but sometimes they do...
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    80 year old and he hasn’t taken a minute to go for a slash.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    edited June 2022

    Andy_JS said:

    🚨LATEST @OpiniumResearch/
    @ObserverUK poll🚨

    Labour's lead edges up to 3 points over the Tories:

    Con 34% (n/c)
    Lab 37% (+1)
    Lib Dem 11% (-2)
    Green 6% (n/c)

    Fieldwork was conducted June 22nd-24th https://t.co/75FriC9q7N

    The boredom is real

    That's a poor opinion poll for both main parties.
    Don't forget Opinium accounts for Tory swing back.

    This has got to be the polling organisation to give us our first Tory crossover on Starmer and Rayner's imminent convictions.
    Have you got your patter in the bag in the case they don’t get them?

    I think Mail and others pushed it thinking it would help Boris, but it turns out there will be much inherent vice in that if Starmer has to quit leaving Boris still there. What could be the pro Boris line? “Starmer doesn’t actually need to quit?”
    Of course I can't be sure, but the Chief Constable has a point to prove. Her predecessor suggested not following the Cummings line of "move along, nothing to see" was an error. A conviction vindicates her call

    If FPNs are issued, both Starmer and Rayner will absolutely fall on their swords. The Mail have made a monumental error in demanding Starmer appears more guilty than Johnson. Johnson is then faced with a LOTO less lacklustre than Starmer.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,686

    Calling Richard Tyndall - does this account of an oil rig town sound plausible, or is she just hyping her book?

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jun/25/cocaine-class-everyone-in-this-town-takes-drugs-all-the-time

    the thing about cocaine is everyone on it thinks everyone else is on it too
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167
    edited June 2022
    GIN1138 said:

    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
    ·
    45m
    Tory MP Andrew Bridgen says: "I don’t mind if the PM stays till 2030, he can resign at 9pm if he wants."

    Andrew Bridgen is a very, very, very strange person.

    Like politics attracts odd people (no disrespect PB) but usually they don't actually get to Parliament... but sometimes they do...
    NW Leicestershire is an interesting constituency. The main towns are Coalville and Ashby-de-la-Zouch.

    It had the highest turnout in the country in 1992: 86%.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,686
    I never realised Jesus and Mary Chain reformed. Unexpected saturday night entertainment
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080
    OnboardG1 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    stodge said:

    Burnham declares his desire to lead Labour and introduce PR

    So many posts on here supporting PR maybe he has a point

    And he would at least be an improvement on the present leader of the opposition

    No he wouldn't. He is not the politician he thinks he is
    Nor is his PR what he thinks it is if he is just knocking on about AV (which, after all, was rejected by the electorate in 2011).

    I think there's a strong argument for extending proportionality at local level - Labour won 61.5% of the vote in Newham in May but 97% of the seats (64). The Greens won 17% of the vote and just 3% of the seats (2) - the Conservatives got 14% and nothing.

    Under strict proportionality, Labour would have had 41 seats, 11 for the Greens, 9 for the Conservatives, 3 for the LDs and 2 for the TUSC. Labour would still be in charge of course but you would hear a plurality and diversity of opinion in the Council chamber rather than mostly the same voices with the occasional Green response.

    I am much less convinced about Westminster elections where there is a special and historic relationship between "the member" and "the constituency" and the risk is of establishing two "classes" of MP though that happens in many other countries seemingly without a problem so perhaps it's not as significant as we think, or is it?
    In my personal experience it works really well in Scotland.
    It's a measure of how bad FPTP is that, while the Holyrood system combines some of the worst aspects of FPTP with some of the worst variants of PR (closed lists) I still prefer it to FPTP alone.

    There are several alternatives for Westminster that would be better, and I'd be delighted if the system at Holyrood was improved.
    I guess I’m weird in that I like the compromise it brings to the table between a constituency MP and proportionality. How would you improve it? Explain like I’m five since a lot of voting system terminology is a bit over my head.
    The worst thing about the current Scottish system is that it encourages voters to game the system. At the beginning of Holyrood the game was to vote tactically for Labour in the constituencies (to keep the Tories out) and then for another non-Tory party on the list. Now Independence supporters can play the same game voting SNP in the constituencies and Green on the list. A voting system shouldn't reward voters for thinking deeply about how to manipulate the voting system - it should simply be a way of translating public opinion into a legislature to represent it.

    This is similar to one of the things that I don't like about FPTP - that it rewards tactical voting, and encourages voters to vote against parties, rather than for them.

    Ideally the voting system should not get in the way of the voter clearly expressing their opinion about the candidates. They shouldn't have to guess how other people are going to vote, or understand the nuances of the voting system to work out how to best exploit it to make the most use of their vote.

    No voting system is perfect, but one attraction of STV is that I can't think of any way in which a voter can vote tactically. The best approach for a voter is simply to do what the voting paper asks them to do - to rank the candidates in order of preference. There are tactical considerations for the parties, in terms of how many candidates they stand, and we saw some of the drawbacks that can result in the recent Scottish local council elections, but for the voter they can concentrate on the candidates and the policies they advocate.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167
    "Boris Johnson 'actively thinking about' third term as PM

    By Alex Forsyth
    Political correspondent, BBC News"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61939938
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080

    There are a few Beatles refuseniks in the population. They are to be pitied.

    Same as people who don’t “get” Bach, Shakespeare, Miles Davis, Kubrick, Picasso, or Michelangelo.

    McCartney is a weak lyricist but Shakespeare’s comedies aren’t especially funny either.

    Shakespeare's comedies aren't especially funny to you or me because we miss most of the references that would have been obvious to a contemporary audience. Try showing the best comedies of the 20th century - the best Monty Python or National Lampoon stuff, say - to an audience in 400 years and see if they find it funny.

    The whole point about comedy is that it subverts what is expected, and so how can you expect to find it funny if you don't understand what is expected?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153
    Hey Jude!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Andy_JS said:

    "Boris Johnson 'actively thinking about' third term as PM

    By Alex Forsyth
    Political correspondent, BBC News"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61939938

    Utterly deluded.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,353
    edited June 2022

    Andy_JS said:

    🚨LATEST @OpiniumResearch/
    @ObserverUK poll🚨

    Labour's lead edges up to 3 points over the Tories:

    Con 34% (n/c)
    Lab 37% (+1)
    Lib Dem 11% (-2)
    Green 6% (n/c)

    Fieldwork was conducted June 22nd-24th https://t.co/75FriC9q7N

    The boredom is real

    That's a poor opinion poll for both main parties.
    Don't forget Opinium accounts for Tory swing back.

    This has got to be the polling organisation to give us our first Tory crossover on Starmer and Rayner's imminent convictions.
    Have you got your patter in the bag in the case they don’t get them?

    I think Mail and others pushed it thinking it would help Boris, but it turns out there will be much inherent vice in that if Starmer has to quit leaving Boris still there. What could be the pro Boris line? “Starmer doesn’t actually need to quit?”
    Of course I can't be sure, but the Chief Constable has a point to prove. Her predecessor suggested not following the Cummings line of "move along, nothing to see" was an error. A conviction vindicates her call

    If FPNs are issued, both Starmer and Rayner will absolutely fall on their swords. The Mail have made a monumental error in demanding Starmer appears more guilty than Johnson. Johnson is then faced with a LOTO less lacklustre than Starmer.
    Any Starmer replacement comes with their own inherent vices, voting history, and personality downsides - you do accept this Mr Mexican grass is always greener on other side Pete. As a right of centre Libdem supporter I have no problem with Starmer becoming Primeminister. If neither party leader changes I’m confident he beats Boris by at least four points. Boring ain’t a issue in a PM if they are quietly effective and on top of things behind the desk in Downing Street, and there’s no attack or revelation so far that makes me think he won’t be.

    Maybe boring is best way to fight interesting, and boring best antidote to politics which had become far too interesting for too long. If you try to fight interesting with interesting it might just prove a leveller as in Paper Scissors Stone.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    edited June 2022

    There are a few Beatles refuseniks in the population. They are to be pitied.

    Same as people who don’t “get” Bach, Shakespeare, Miles Davis, Kubrick, Picasso, or Michelangelo.

    McCartney is a weak lyricist but Shakespeare’s comedies aren’t especially funny either.

    Shakespeare's comedies aren't especially funny to you or me because we miss most of the references that would have been obvious to a contemporary audience. Try showing the best comedies of the 20th century - the best Monty Python or National Lampoon stuff, say - to an audience in 400 years and see if they find it funny.

    The whole point about comedy is that it subverts what is expected, and so how can you expect to find it funny if you don't understand what is expected?
    Na, na, na, na-na-na.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,272
    edited June 2022
    If you are pro life the main gain is for the Supreme Court to have shifted the issue of abortion to the states. That way even if you cannot make abortion mostly illegal US wide as the polling shows, you can do so in GOP controlled states where anti abortion sentiment is stronger, especially in the South.

    As the polling also shows most Republican voters back the SC's decision
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Boris Johnson 'actively thinking about' third term as PM

    By Alex Forsyth
    Political correspondent, BBC News"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61939938

    Is that counting 2019 as the first term?
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