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ComRes online for Indy on Sunday/S Mirror sees CON close gap by 2
CON 30% +1
LAB 35% -1
LD 8%=
UKIP 19% +1
Very good for UKIP

Read the full story here

dr_spyn

arsenal.

TheScreamingEagles

Can you tell Jane Merrick off/give her the PB polling dunce award for her ridiculous hyperbole of this poll?

maaarsh

Just to balance out a comment I saw on here earlier, The Wolf of Wall Street, whilst rather one dimensional, is hilarious and barely feels half its length.

TheScreamingEagles

maaarsh said:

Just to balance out a comment I saw on here earlier, The Wolf of Wall Street, whilst rather one dimensional, is hilarious and barely feels half its length.

I loved it, watched it last night, enjoyed every moment of it, especially the whole drive home from the country club.

Having read the book/the stories is largely accurate, and that was the actual Jordan Belfort at the end.

megalomaniacs4u

Just been pointed at this, happiness versus school quality with the UK slap bang in the middle...

http://www.coolinfographics.com/blog/2014/1/17/where-in-the-world-are-the-best-schools-and-the-happiest-kid.html

JackW

Latest McARSE Scottish Referendum Projection - 18 Sep 2014

Should Scotland Be An Independent Country :

YES 38% .. No 62%

Turnout Projection 77%

TheScreamingEagles

Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 3m

Lab six point lead in Op/Obs poll tonight, Labn36 (-1), Conservative 30 (n/c), Liberal Democrat 8 (n/c), UKIP 17 (n/c).

dr_spyn

Bristol boy treks across Antarctica to reach South Pole.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-25794003

Some clowns are getting worked up that he isn't at school. Well done Lewis Clarke for doing something extraordinary.

PBModerator

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So no ambiguity or attempts to circumvent this rule

AveryLP

megalomaniacs4u said:

Just been pointed at this, happiness versus school quality with the UK slap bang in the middle...

http://www.coolinfographics.com/blog/2014/1/17/where-in-the-world-are-the-best-schools-and-the-happiest-kid.html

The best place for a European to be is at a Swiss Finishing School.

My experience would definitely support this conclusion.

TheScreamingEagles

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

Quincel

If UKIP are polling near 20% in Westminster VI come the Euros, they are going to destroy the competition. It could get gruesome for the Tories in particular.

AveryLP

TheScreamingEagles said:

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

Interesting.

I was rethinking OGH's (and my own) comments on Osborne stealing Cable's thunder on the minimum wage announcement.

I now think this isn't sinister intra-coalition fighting at all.

It is simply that if a major economic policy announcement is given to Vince, the press will immediately turn it into a coalition split story.

If George announces it (and Vince keeps quiet) it simply becomes an announcement of unified government policy.

Cable and the Lib Dems lose under this arrangement, so plaudits are still due to the old man's fortitude and self-denial in battle.

Sean_F

Quincel said:

If UKIP are polling near 20% in Westminster VI come the Euros, they are going to destroy the competition. It could get gruesome for the Tories in particular.

I wonder if we could see a blow-out for UKIP in the Euros.

compouter2

TheScreamingEagles said:

Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 3m

Lab six point lead in Op/Obs poll tonight, Labn36 (-1), Conservative 30 (n/c), Liberal Democrat 8 (n/c), UKIP 17 (n/c).

***Orders a few more boxes of Tramadol *****

Despite repeated promises over the last twelve months.....these polling crossover goalposts are going to be with me for a very long time, aren't they.

Scott_P

AveryLP said:

Jack W said

are Ukip now foretelling a plague on our marmalade because of gay marriage ?!?!

The end of the world is come .... Doomed I tell ye .... we're all doomed !!

If the Scots vote Yes you will have to import it from Dundee...

AveryLP

Sean_F said:

Quincel said:

If UKIP are polling near 20% in Westminster VI come the Euros, they are going to destroy the competition. It could get gruesome for the Tories in particular.

I wonder if we could see a blow-out for UKIP in the Euros.

Calm down, Mr. F.

We still have the Dave and Angela Show to come in February.

compouter2

TheScreamingEagles said:

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

*** Passes TSE a few straws to clutch at ***

"The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour ".....who are only six percent ahead in the headline poll. Yep, total disaster.

MikeK

AveryLP said:

Sean_F said:

Quincel said:

If UKIP are polling near 20% in Westminster VI come the Euros, they are going to destroy the competition. It could get gruesome for the Tories in particular.

I wonder if we could see a blow-out for UKIP in the Euros.

Calm down, Mr. F.

We still have the Dave and Angela Show to come in February.

And what a complete farce that will be.

PBModerator

The use of the world "golliwog" is not permitted.

AveryLP

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 3m

Lab six point lead in Op/Obs poll tonight, Labn36 (-1), Conservative 30 (n/c), Liberal Democrat 8 (n/c), UKIP 17 (n/c).

***Orders a few more boxes of Tramadol *****

Despite repeated promises over the last twelve months.....these polling crossover goalposts are going to be with me for a very long time, aren't they.

Compouter.

Can we have your thoughts on marmalade?

At least you would only have to state them once.

Sean_F

PBModerator said:

The use of the world "golliwog" is not permitted.

Why not?

compouter2

Quincel said:

If UKIP are polling near 20% in Westminster VI come the Euros, they are going to destroy the competition. It could get gruesome for the Tories in particular.

Nah, it will be "a major blow for Labour", because everything on PB is a "major blow for Labour", even six point leads.

foxinsoxuk

I think I must have missed a bit. Has the Fruitcake wing of UKIP come out against citrus based toast toppings?

My transatlantic leanings, are I confess, to peanut butter on my toast.

Scott_P said:

AveryLP said:

Jack W said

are Ukip now foretelling a plague on our marmalade because of gay marriage ?!?!

The end of the world is come .... Doomed I tell ye .... we're all doomed !!

If the Scots vote Yes you will have to import it from Dundee...

TheScreamingEagles

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

*** Passes TSE a few straws to clutch at ***

"The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour ".....who are only six percent ahead in the headline poll. Yep, total disaster.

There's no straw clutching going on.

The fact that Labour's lead has halved in a year seems to have missed you by.

compouter2

AveryLP said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 3m

Lab six point lead in Op/Obs poll tonight, Labn36 (-1), Conservative 30 (n/c), Liberal Democrat 8 (n/c), UKIP 17 (n/c).

***Orders a few more boxes of Tramadol *****

Despite repeated promises over the last twelve months.....these polling crossover goalposts are going to be with me for a very long time, aren't they.

Compouter.

Can we have your thoughts on marmalade?

At least you would only have to state them once.

When I find out your next prediction of a polling crossover, my back is killing me.

JackW

AveryLP said:

JackW said:

AveryLP said:

It's a sort of drop the marmalade, hold on to the golliwog result.

I favour a thick heavy cut marmalade whereas Mrs Jack W tends to a barely visible thin cut.

Tis one of the joys of a full breakfast to round off with a vast dollop of home made marmalade on hot buttered toast with the accompanied cup of tea. Oh joy.

But are Ukip now foretelling a plague on our marmalade because of gay marriage ?!?!

The end of the world is come .... Doomed I tell ye .... we're all doomed !!

Glad to hear you are a fellow marmalade, Mr W.

It is Mrs W's taste in shoes which needs preserving.

"Preserving" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL ......

Four suspiciously shoe shaped boxes appeared on the reception hall table in the week before being spirited away from sight rather expeditiously.

I bear this cross with remarkable fortitude but a somewhat thinner bank balance ....

AveryLP

Sean_F said:

PBModerator said:

The use of the world "golliwog" is not permitted.

Why not?

Looks as if PBModerator is not a marmalade.

Richard_Tyndall

PBModerator said:

The use of the world "golliwog" is not permitted.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmpppppppphhhhhhhhhhh

(assuming we are not allowed to criticise the moderators no matter what they do that is all I shall say on that subject.)

anotherDave

Quincel said:

If UKIP are polling near 20% in Westminster VI come the Euros, they are going to destroy the competition. It could get gruesome for the Tories in particular.

The local election results will set UKIP's targets for 2015 too.

stodge

Evening all

So that's six polls since Friday with three (Survation, Opinium and ComRes online) showing high UKIP numbers and the other three (Ipsos-MORI, Populus and YouGov) showing much lower UKIP numbers.

Populus has the lowest UKIP share and the highest Conservative share but otherwise the Conservatives seem to be flat lining around 30%. Labour mid to high 30s - LDs around 10 but again marked divergences related to the UKIP share.

I'm none the wiser.

compouter2

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

*** Passes TSE a few straws to clutch at ***

"The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour ".....who are only six percent ahead in the headline poll. Yep, total disaster.

There's no straw clutching going on.

The fact that Labour's lead has halved in a year seems to have missed you by.

Or gone up 5% since the start of 2012.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

Great this game of pick a date to spin your point, isn't it.

GeoffM

PBModerator said:

The use of the world "golliwog" is not permitted.

That's ridiculous.

Carnyx

Scott_P said:

AveryLP said:

Jack W said

are Ukip now foretelling a plague on our marmalade because of gay marriage ?!?!

The end of the world is come .... Doomed I tell ye .... we're all doomed !!

If the Scots vote Yes you will have to import it from Dundee...

But don't you do that already?!

(In fact, our family makes our own with Seville oranges, sweet oranges and lemons ... and it's marmalade making season now too.)

TheScreamingEagles

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

*** Passes TSE a few straws to clutch at ***

"The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour ".....who are only six percent ahead in the headline poll. Yep, total disaster.

There's no straw clutching going on.

The fact that Labour's lead has halved in a year seems to have missed you by.

Or gone up 5% since the start of 2012.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

Great this game of pick a date to spin your point, isn't it.

Not really, I listen to the advice of Sir Robert Worcester, who tells me to focus upon the share over one year, Labour's share of the vote has fallen from 41% to 36%.

compouter2

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

*** Passes TSE a few straws to clutch at ***

"The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour ".....who are only six percent ahead in the headline poll. Yep, total disaster.

There's no straw clutching going on.

The fact that Labour's lead has halved in a year seems to have missed you by.

Or gone up 5% since the start of 2012.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

Great this game of pick a date to spin your point, isn't it.

Not really, I listen to the advice of Sir Robert Worcester, who tells me to focus upon the share over one year, Labour's lead has fallen from 41% to 36%.

Keep clutching that to your chest, I will keep looking at the polls. 6% Labour lead....another major blow for Labour. Long may the Labour blows reign.

PBModerator

Some people find the word golliwog offensive.

That is the end of the matter.

TheScreamingEagles

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

*** Passes TSE a few straws to clutch at ***

"The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour ".....who are only six percent ahead in the headline poll. Yep, total disaster.

There's no straw clutching going on.

The fact that Labour's lead has halved in a year seems to have missed you by.

Or gone up 5% since the start of 2012.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

Great this game of pick a date to spin your point, isn't it.

Not really, I listen to the advice of Sir Robert Worcester, who tells me to focus upon the share over one year, Labour's lead has fallen from 41% to 36%.

Keep clutching that to your chest, I will keep looking at the polls. 6% Labour lead....another major blow for Labour. Long may the Labour blows reign.

Listen to you or to Sir Robert Worcestor when it comes to polling?

That's a difficult choice.

JackW

PBModerator said:

The use of the world "golliwog" is not permitted.

Utter nonsense.

compouter2

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

*** Passes TSE a few straws to clutch at ***

"The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour ".....who are only six percent ahead in the headline poll. Yep, total disaster.

There's no straw clutching going on.

The fact that Labour's lead has halved in a year seems to have missed you by.

Or gone up 5% since the start of 2012.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

Great this game of pick a date to spin your point, isn't it.

Not really, I listen to the advice of Sir Robert Worcester, who tells me to focus upon the share over one year, Labour's lead has fallen from 41% to 36%.

Keep clutching that to your chest, I will keep looking at the polls. 6% Labour lead....another major blow for Labour. Long may the Labour blows reign.

Listen to you or to Sir Robert Worcestor when it comes to polling?

That's a difficult choice.

As long as your happy to post links saying a six percent lead is a major blow for Labour, well I am happy as well, so we are all happy.

JosiasJessop

Off-topic:

Desperate times in Manchester, although charitable giving is still popular:

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2014/01/manchester-shop-worker-threatened-at-gunpoint-for-refusing-1-beer-discount/

foxinsoxuk

I think OGH has stated in the past that vote share is more imortant than lead, as only affected by one MOE rather than two.

Under FPTP we have a very geared system, where a vote share in the high thirties leads to government, and one in the high teens means a few powerless MPs.

I still am not at all convinced that UKIP will gain a single seat, but the drop in Labour share may mean a minority govt.

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

*** Passes TSE a few straws to clutch at ***

"The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour ".....who are only six percent ahead in the headline poll. Yep, total disaster.

There's no straw clutching going on.

The fact that Labour's lead has halved in a year seems to have missed you by.

Or gone up 5% since the start of 2012.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

Great this game of pick a date to spin your point, isn't it.

Not really, I listen to the advice of Sir Robert Worcester, who tells me to focus upon the share over one year, Labour's share of the vote has fallen from 41% to 36%.

anotherDave

"It will worry the Conservatives that 23% of people saying they would currently vote for them say that they are favourable towards UKIP.

Nor would it be easy to persuade current UKIP supporters to vote Conservative: 59% say that they are unfavourable towards the Prime Minister, and 55% say they are unfavourable towards the Conservative Party generally."

http://www.comres.co.uk/poll/1076/sunday-mirror-independent-on-sunday-political-poll.htm

Alanbrooke

AveryLP said:

Sean_F said:

PBModerator said:

The use of the world "golliwog" is not permitted.

Why not?

Looks as if PBModerator is not a marmalade.

Good evening Mr Pole, broken up any banks yet ?

It seems Osborne's in a bit of a jam over this. Miliband is dealing with things which are not quite his preserve but it's a fine cut judgement. I expect Osborne to wobble like a jelly and then cave in.

GeoffM

Richard_Tyndall said:

PBModerator said:

Some people find the word golliwog offensive.

That is the end of the matter.

I find socialism offensive. Some on here find UKIP and everything they stand for offensive. Shall we ban those as well?

Yes, let's ban everything that might offend someone.

Soap offends the bloke living in next door's shed. Ban soap.

dr_spyn

Looks as if The Indie and Observer are trying hard to keep PB posters from posting links. Both could have banned topics on their front pages.

GeoffM

PBModerator said:

Some people find the word golliwog offensive.

That is the end of the matter.

Rubbish
(go on, delete it a third time, why not, eh?)

AveryLP

Alanbrooke said:

AveryLP said:

Sean_F said:

PBModerator said:

The use of the world "golliwog" is not permitted.

Why not?

Looks as if PBModerator is not a marmalade.

Good evening Mr Pole, broken up any banks yet ?

It seems Osborne's in a bit of a jam over this. Miliband is dealing with things which are not quite his preserve but it's a fine cut judgement. I expect Osborne to wobble like a jelly and then cave in.

Congratulations, Mr. Brooke.

You win today's Enameled Bulgarian Badge for the punniest post of the day.

TheScreamingEagles

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

*** Passes TSE a few straws to clutch at ***

"The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour ".....who are only six percent ahead in the headline poll. Yep, total disaster.

There's no straw clutching going on.

The fact that Labour's lead has halved in a year seems to have missed you by.

Or gone up 5% since the start of 2012.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

Great this game of pick a date to spin your point, isn't it.

Not really, I listen to the advice of Sir Robert Worcester, who tells me to focus upon the share over one year, Labour's lead has fallen from 41% to 36%.

Keep clutching that to your chest, I will keep looking at the polls. 6% Labour lead....another major blow for Labour. Long may the Labour blows reign.

Listen to you or to Sir Robert Worcestor when it comes to polling?

That's a difficult choice.

As long as your happy to post links saying a six percent lead is a major blow for Labour, well I am happy as well, so we are all happy.

That's not what I said, as I've said before and here, Labour's share of the vote is dropping over the last year, which should be alarming for Labour, it is also alarming for the Tories that they aren't picking up the majority of that drop.

GeoffM

AveryLP said:

Alanbrooke said:

AveryLP said:

Sean_F said:

PBModerator said:

The use of the world "golliwog" is not permitted.

Why not?

Looks as if PBModerator is not a marmalade.

Good evening Mr Pole, broken up any banks yet ?

It seems Osborne's in a bit of a jam over this. Miliband is dealing with things which are not quite his preserve but it's a fine cut judgement. I expect Osborne to wobble like a jelly and then cave in.

Congratulations, Mr. Brooke.

You win today's Enameled Bulgarian Badge for the punniest post of the day.

Yes, definitely a "Like" when that button existed.

AveryLP

Carnyx said:

Scott_P said:

AveryLP said:

Jack W said

are Ukip now foretelling a plague on our marmalade because of gay marriage ?!?!

The end of the world is come .... Doomed I tell ye .... we're all doomed !!

If the Scots vote Yes you will have to import it from Dundee...

But don't you do that already?!

(In fact, our family makes our own with Seville oranges, sweet oranges and lemons ... and it's marmalade making season now too.)

Massive preserving pan full of Seville oranges on the stove at the moment.

It sure stinks out the kitchen though.

MikeK

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

compouter2

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

David Cameron and George Osborne are increasingly regarded by the public as the best team to handle the British economy, a new poll suggests.

One in three believe the Tory leadership provides the best option for the country as it emerges out its economic downturn. This compares to just 18% who believe Ed Miliband and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls would be the best custodians of the economy - down 3 points on polling carried out last summer.

Just 7% said the Nick Clegg and business secretary Vince Cable were the ones they would trust the most with the economy. The remaining 30% said they would not put their trust in any of the leadership teams in the three mainstream political parties.

The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour who last week sought to flesh out their economic vision.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/18/observer-poll-osborne-cameron-economy

*** Passes TSE a few straws to clutch at ***

"The Opinium/Observer poll will come as a major blow to Labour ".....who are only six percent ahead in the headline poll. Yep, total disaster.

There's no straw clutching going on.

The fact that Labour's lead has halved in a year seems to have missed you by.

Or gone up 5% since the start of 2012.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

Great this game of pick a date to spin your point, isn't it.

Not really, I listen to the advice of Sir Robert Worcester, who tells me to focus upon the share over one year, Labour's lead has fallen from 41% to 36%.

Keep clutching that to your chest, I will keep looking at the polls. 6% Labour lead....another major blow for Labour. Long may the Labour blows reign.

Listen to you or to Sir Robert Worcestor when it comes to polling?

That's a difficult choice.

As long as your happy to post links saying a six percent lead is a major blow for Labour, well I am happy as well, so we are all happy.

That's not what I said, as I've said before and here, Labour's share of the vote is dropping over the last year, which should be alarming for Labour, it is also alarming for the Tories that they aren't picking up the majority of that drop.

Give it a few months and your twelve month rule, just like Avery LP's polling crossover did, goes out of the window, though I am sure the PB Hodges can find a six month rule to lean on.

RodCrosby

PBModerator said:

The use of the world "golliwog" is not permitted.

There will now be a short intermission, children, while the stuffed toy is replaced...
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMrdhgWR9Zk

compouter2

MikeK said:

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

I can see why some people may find it offensive, so fully understand the reason behind PB Mods rule.

Richard_Tyndall

GeoffM said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

PBModerator said:

Some people find the word golliwog offensive.

That is the end of the matter.

I find socialism offensive. Some on here find UKIP and everything they stand for offensive. Shall we ban those as well?

Yes, let's ban everything that might offend someone.

Soap offends the bloke living in next door's shed. Ban soap.

Hey look. Now my post has been deleted as well. Apparently saying socialism and UKIP are offensive is.... offensive.

GeoffM

MikeK said:

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

It's utterly utterly mad.
One thing that I find incredibly offensive - lists of "acceptable" words and thoughts.
Very Orwellian.

MikeK

compouter2 said:

MikeK said:

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

I can see why some people may find it offensive, so fully understand the reason behind PB Mods rule.

I bet you find the word bollocks, offensive too.

foxinsoxuk

In a rare moment of agreement with Compouter, I can also see that the word is offensive to some people.

It is a word that belongs in the past even when it is not intended to cause offence..

compouter2 said:

MikeK said:

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

I can see why some people may find it offensive, so fully understand the reason behind PB Mods rule.

compouter2

MikeK said:

compouter2 said:

MikeK said:

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

I can see why some people may find it offensive, so fully understand the reason behind PB Mods rule.

I bet you find the word bollocks, offensive too.

No.

GeoffM

Richard_Tyndall said:

GeoffM said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

PBModerator said:

Some people find the word golliwog offensive.

That is the end of the matter.

I find socialism offensive. Some on here find UKIP and everything they stand for offensive. Shall we ban those as well?

Yes, let's ban everything that might offend someone.

Soap offends the bloke living in next door's shed. Ban soap.

Hey look. Now my post has been deleted as well. Apparently saying socialism and UKIP are offensive is.... offensive.

I think we are establishing boundaries here. Saying socialism and UKIP are offensive is out of bounds, but I've still got "soap" published.

Maybe if I'd said "Tramps find soap offensive" that goes too far?

Let's try that and see if it survives.

anotherDave

11% of SNP supporters like Mr Farage. (p.51)

19% of scots like Mr Farage. (p.52)

11% of SNP supporters like UKIP. (p.55)

17% of scots like UKIP. (p.56)

http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/SM_IoS_Political_Poll_19_January_2014.pdf

AveryLP

MikeK said:

compouter2 said:

MikeK said:

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

I can see why some people may find it offensive, so fully understand the reason behind PB Mods rule.

I bet you find the word bollocks, offensive too.

Personally, I find the word "goalposts" offensive.

TheScreamingEagles

@Compouter2

So you're not responding to the substantive points of my posts?

I've not been talking about any imminent crossovers, I've written a few weeks ago, why I wasn't expecting any crossover this side of the Euros, or the period thereafter.

Before Christmas, I wrote that I expected Labour leads in December 2014.

I do have £3.33 bet on there being a YouGov crossover in the first quarter of this year, but that was placed last summer, but I'm not expecting to collect.

AveryLP

TheScreamingEagles said:

@Compouter2

So you're not responding to the substantive points of my posts?

I've not been talking about any imminent crossovers, I've written a few weeks ago, why I wasn't expecting any crossover this side of the Euros, or the period thereafter.

Before Christmas, I wrote that I expected Labour leads in December 2014.

I do have £3.33 bet on there being a YouGov crossover in the first quarter of this year, but that was placed last summer, but I'm not expecting to collect.

You are too modest about your tipping skills, TSE.

End of next week, latest.

GeoffM

foxinsoxuk said:

In a rare moment of agreement with Compouter, I can also see that the word is offensive to some people.

It is a word that belongs in the past even when it is not intended to cause offence..

compouter2 said:

MikeK said:

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

I can see why some people may find it offensive, so fully understand the reason behind PB Mods rule.

And in a rare moment of disagreement with you - rubbish.

compouter2

TheScreamingEagles said:

@Compouter2

So you're not responding to the substantive points of my posts?

I've not been talking about any imminent crossovers, I've written a few weeks ago, why I wasn't expecting any crossover this side of the Euros, or the period thereafter.

Before Christmas, I wrote that I expected Labour leads in December 2014.

I do have £3.33 bet on there being a YouGov crossover in the first quarter of this year, but that was placed last summer, but I'm not expecting to collect.

As I said, your twelve month rule runs out in a few months, though I am sure there is another rule to cling on to between now and the election.

Avery LP - We agree on something, as these goalposts are bloody killing me.

RodCrosby

Remember this?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/golly-dolls-seized-by-cops-985434

Sean_F

foxinsoxuk said:

In a rare moment of agreement with Compouter, I can also see that the word is offensive to some people.

It is a word that belongs in the past even when it is not intended to cause offence..

compouter2 said:

MikeK said:

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

I can see why some people may find it offensive, so fully understand the reason behind PB Mods rule.

But what euphemism is to be used to describe a g******g?

MikeK

I propose that the ban on tim and SeanT be lifted immediately, so that choice embargoed words can be thrown (verbally) at the moderator.

maaarsh

I can understand why some people may find it offensive, but I'm completely lost as to how that means no one may use that word.

foxinsoxuk

could have been worse. They could have been extrajudicially executed!

RodCrosby said:

Remember this?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/golly-dolls-seized-by-cops-985434

TheScreamingEagles

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@Compouter2

So you're not responding to the substantive points of my posts?

I've not been talking about any imminent crossovers, I've written a few weeks ago, why I wasn't expecting any crossover this side of the Euros, or the period thereafter.

Before Christmas, I wrote that I expected Labour leads in December 2014.

I do have £3.33 bet on there being a YouGov crossover in the first quarter of this year, but that was placed last summer, but I'm not expecting to collect.

As I said, your twelve month rule runs out in a few months, though I am sure there is another rule to cling on to between now and the election.

Avery LP - We agree on something, as these goalposts are bloody killing me.

No it does not, it keeps on going.

compouter2

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@Compouter2

So you're not responding to the substantive points of my posts?

I've not been talking about any imminent crossovers, I've written a few weeks ago, why I wasn't expecting any crossover this side of the Euros, or the period thereafter.

Before Christmas, I wrote that I expected Labour leads in December 2014.

I do have £3.33 bet on there being a YouGov crossover in the first quarter of this year, but that was placed last summer, but I'm not expecting to collect.

As I said, your twelve month rule runs out in a few months, though I am sure there is another rule to cling on to between now and the election.

Avery LP - We agree on something, as these goalposts are bloody killing me.

No it does not, it keeps on going.

So in a few months how will you spin the fact that Labours 5-7% lead twelve months ago is now 5-7% is bad for Labour?

Be interesting what tonights Yougov shows, eh.

GeoffM

maaarsh said:

I can understand why some people may find it offensive, but I'm completely lost as to how that means no one may use that word.

Agreed. Words have a context.
A golliwog is a doll on the side of a car.
On the insurance docs the colour of my car is given as "Negro"
Is the (unlikely) topic of my car banned on here?

PBModerator

The prohibition on using golliwog word is a past ruling from Mike Smithson, and he doesn't like it when people ignore his rules.

compouter2

GeoffM said:

maaarsh said:

I can understand why some people may find it offensive, but I'm completely lost as to how that means no one may use that word.

Agreed. Words have a context.
A golliwog is a doll on the side of a car.
On the insurance docs the colour of my car is given as "Negro"
Is the (unlikely) topic of my car banned on here?

What car?

AveryLP

foxinsoxuk said:

In a rare moment of agreement with Compouter, I can also see that the word is offensive to some people.

It is a word that belongs in the past even when it is not intended to cause offence..

compouter2 said:

MikeK said:

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

I can see why some people may find it offensive, so fully understand the reason behind PB Mods rule.

Dr Sox

The word was used strictly in the context of a discussion on Robertson's historic use of a mascot to promote its 'Golden Shred' brand of Marmalade.

Insofar as a secondary meaning was implied it was clear criticism of party political policies which many perceive to be associated with closet racism.

But rules are rules. Ours but to do and die.

Sean_F

foxinsoxuk said:

could have been worse. They could have been extrajudicially executed!

RodCrosby said:

Remember this?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/golly-dolls-seized-by-cops-985434

They might have been sent to the Death Camp of Tolerance.

TheScreamingEagles

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@Compouter2

So you're not responding to the substantive points of my posts?

I've not been talking about any imminent crossovers, I've written a few weeks ago, why I wasn't expecting any crossover this side of the Euros, or the period thereafter.

Before Christmas, I wrote that I expected Labour leads in December 2014.

I do have £3.33 bet on there being a YouGov crossover in the first quarter of this year, but that was placed last summer, but I'm not expecting to collect.

As I said, your twelve month rule runs out in a few months, though I am sure there is another rule to cling on to between now and the election.

Avery LP - We agree on something, as these goalposts are bloody killing me.

No it does not, it keeps on going.

So in a few months how will you spin the fact that Labours 5-7% lead twelve months ago is now 5-7% is bad for Labour?

Be interesting what tonights Yougov shows, eh.

Point one, no

Point two, not really, a single yougov on its own is not interesting.

Scrapheap_as_was

Russell Brand on Ross laying in to Cammo and Ozzie (and a little bit in Clegg)... Miliband looks like he cares...

Powerful ally for Labour there....

compouter2

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

compouter2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

@Compouter2

So you're not responding to the substantive points of my posts?

I've not been talking about any imminent crossovers, I've written a few weeks ago, why I wasn't expecting any crossover this side of the Euros, or the period thereafter.

Before Christmas, I wrote that I expected Labour leads in December 2014.

I do have £3.33 bet on there being a YouGov crossover in the first quarter of this year, but that was placed last summer, but I'm not expecting to collect.

As I said, your twelve month rule runs out in a few months, though I am sure there is another rule to cling on to between now and the election.

Avery LP - We agree on something, as these goalposts are bloody killing me.

No it does not, it keeps on going.

So in a few months how will you spin the fact that Labours 5-7% lead twelve months ago is now 5-7% is bad for Labour?

Be interesting what tonights Yougov shows, eh.

Point one, no

Point two, not really, a single yougov on its own is not interesting.

There is not long to see if no really is your answer to point one.

By the way your team played like a bag of manure tonight and Gerrard looks overweight.

AveryLP

compouter2 said:

GeoffM said:

maaarsh said:

I can understand why some people may find it offensive, but I'm completely lost as to how that means no one may use that word.

Agreed. Words have a context.
A golliwog is a doll on the side of a car.
On the insurance docs the colour of my car is given as "Negro"
Is the (unlikely) topic of my car banned on here?

What car?

Model T Ford, I suspect.

GeoffM

compouter2 said:

GeoffM said:

maaarsh said:

I can understand why some people may find it offensive, but I'm completely lost as to how that means no one may use that word.

Agreed. Words have a context.
A golliwog is a doll on the side of a car.
On the insurance docs the colour of my car is given as "Negro"
Is the (unlikely) topic of my car banned on here?

What car?

http://www.meccanodinkytoys.com/drawings/golliwog3.gif

Well, a van to be fair, but that didn't let the "car" theme flow through the point elegantly.

JackW

AveryLP said:

foxinsoxuk said:

In a rare moment of agreement with Compouter, I can also see that the word is offensive to some people.

It is a word that belongs in the past even when it is not intended to cause offence..

compouter2 said:

MikeK said:

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

I can see why some people may find it offensive, so fully understand the reason behind PB Mods rule.

Dr Sox

The word was used strictly in the context of a discussion on Robertson's historic use of a mascot to promote its 'Golden Shred' brand of Marmalade.

Insofar as a secondary meaning was implied it was clear criticism of party political policies which many perceive to be associated with closet racism.

But rules are rules. Ours but to do and die.



...................................................

Some "rules" or rulings need to overturned and quickly before this farce brings the site into disrepute.

We all make mistakes but the moderator has blundered badly and Mike needs to rectify the matter urgently.

PBModerator

A notice to posters the more racially offensive N word triggers the spam trap and automatically bans you.

Even if you asterisk it out.

nigel4england

PBModerator said:

Some people find the word golliwog offensive.

That is the end of the matter.

Obviously a Lib Dem site.

Quincel

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Russell Brand on Ross laying in to Cammo and Ozzie (and a little bit in Clegg)... Miliband looks like he cares...

Powerful ally for Labour there....

Powerful amongst the group least likely to vote (doubly so for those who listen to Russell Brand).

compouter2

PBModerator said:

A notice to posters the more racially offensive N word triggers the spam trap and automatically bans you.

Even if you asterisk it out.

.....the so predictable route from one to the other..............and I assume that why the first was banned.

RodCrosby

So if I mention the dog in the Dambusters I get banned?

fitalass

Observer - Nick Clegg's former aide quits Lib Dems with attack on handling of Rennard row

JackW

RodCrosby said:

So if I mention the dog in the Dambusters I get banned?

Dam and blast !!!

GeoffM

PBModerator said:

A notice to posters the more racially offensive N word triggers the spam trap and automatically bans you.

Even if you asterisk it out.

Where did that straw man come from?
We were talking about a doll which advertised marmalade.

[Straw men, of course, stood in fields. Black workers also stood in fields. Ergo Worzel Gummidge can't be mentioned on PB either because Racism]

RodCrosby

fitalass said:

Observer - Nick Clegg's former aide quits Lib Dems with attack on handling of Rennard row

Bye...

compouter2

fitalass said:

Observer - Nick Clegg's former aide quits Lib Dems with attack on handling of Rennard row

In reality, I don't think there is much lower they can go in the polls, as like all parties, they have people who will vote for them no matter what. Cannot really see it effecting those that are left with them, though it will put the barrier higher on those that may consider them.

SouthamObserver

So not a marmalade dropper then.

PBModerator

GeoffM said:

PBModerator said:

A notice to posters the more racially offensive N word triggers the spam trap and automatically bans you.

Even if you asterisk it out.

Where did that straw man come from?
We were talking about a doll which advertised marmalade.

[Straw men, of course, stood in fields. Black workers also stood in fields. Ergo Worzel Gummidge can't be mentioned on PB either because Racism]

Because a poster in reply to your earlier post used that word.

anotherDave

"Opinium figures in the Observer are CON 30%(nc), LAB 36%(-1), LDEM 8%(nc), UKIP 17%(nc)"

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8596

Pulpstar

Starter for ten:

Famed for a daring raid in World War 2, Guy Penrose Gibson had a pet dog. What was it's colour ?

Sean_F

JackW said:

AveryLP said:

foxinsoxuk said:

In a rare moment of agreement with Compouter, I can also see that the word is offensive to some people.

It is a word that belongs in the past even when it is not intended to cause offence..

compouter2 said:

MikeK said:

Who on PB found the word "golliwog"offensive? Who complained? This is utter PC rubbish. And even JackW is appalled at such censorship, so it must be the most complete nonsense ever perpetrated by the moderator.

I can see why some people may find it offensive, so fully understand the reason behind PB Mods rule.

Dr Sox

The word was used strictly in the context of a discussion on Robertson's historic use of a mascot to promote its 'Golden Shred' brand of Marmalade.

Insofar as a secondary meaning was implied it was clear criticism of party political policies which many perceive to be associated with closet racism.

But rules are rules. Ours but to do and die.

...................................................

Some "rules" or rulings need to overturned and quickly before this farce brings the site into disrepute.

We all make mistakes but the moderator has blundered badly and Mike needs to rectify the matter urgently.



Yes. Using a word to offend other users of the site is unacceptable.

Using a factual term should not be.