@Klee4 "On average, I would say the Tories are self conscious about the fact they are out of touch, and try to overcompensate as a result."
Overcompensate for being out of touch by making membership of the Bullingdon Club a first step to advancement in the Party? Is this post a spoof? Look at their latest recruit and feel embarrassed.
Surely Eton would be the first step, and the Bullingdon later.
Regardless, I mean overcompensate in displays of 'in touchness' rather than actually making themselves less out of touch. Meaning they appear more likely to engage in those embarrasing politician moments where they pretend to like band x of the day, or how they are totally down with the young people. They all do it, and it is always funny, but my sense is Tories worry more about such things - you may think with cause, but since I don't believe being out of touch is itself a problem, it is still mostly unnecessary.
Someone belong to a university group known for being prats doesn't bother me in the slightest though. I imagine many people would say belonging to a young Labour/Conservatives group would be even more embarrasing!
I couldn't care less about Cameron's pledges, but I do care more about holding incompetent Ministers and other politicians to account. Burnham is not fit to hold office.
@Klee4 "On average, I would say the Tories are self conscious about the fact they are out of touch, and try to overcompensate as a result."
Overcompensate for being out of touch by choosing half their staff from ex members of the Bullingdon Club? Is this post a spoof? Look at their latest recruit. He gives the word 'louche' a bad name
Roger, Have you ever met the person you are slagging off? I think your comment says more about you and your personal prejudices than anything about the object of your rather nasty comment. Of course when it comes to out of touch, the hypocrisy of your comments contrasting to your personal lifestyle as expressed on here does not go unnoticed.
Has anyone an explanation or a link to an explanation as to why the Lib Dems will have a NEV vote significantly higher than UKIP? It is what most expect, but I would be interested in the analysis of others.
Is the R&T forecast based on much older by election data than the reality of recent months?
And if UKIP get 18%, rather than 11%, what would that do to their projected seat haul?
"A gunman who shot and seriously injured two policemen outside the Italian PM's office in Rome was acting out of anger at politicians, prosecutors allege.
A suspect named as 49-year-old Luigi Preiti was arrested at the scene.
Rome prosecutor, Pierfilippo Laviani, said the gunman had hoped to target politicians but as he was unable to, he shot the police officers instead."
Has anyone an explanation or a link to an explanation as to why the Lib Dems will have a NEV vote significantly higher than UKIP? It is what most expect, but I would be interested in the analysis of others.
Is the R&T forecast based on much older by election data than the reality of recent months?
And if UKIP get 18%, rather than 11%, what would that do to their projected seat haul?
R and T and the BBC have no past experience to go on in taking UKIP actual votes in the local elections and converting them into a NEV . I would guess that they will assume that UKIP would not perform as well in Scotland , Wales , London and the Mets as they will do in the counties therefore an NEV of 11% would reflect an actual vote share next Thursday of around 14% . As R and T and the BBC keep their methodology for calculating NEV a secret , this is just conjecture . As I have posted before the actual Labour vote share next Thursday will be around 24/25% which will somehow be recalculated as a NEV of 35 - 38% without any meaningful explanation of the calculation(s) involved .
The UKIP counter attack: A furious Mr Farage responded by saying that Mr Clarke is a member of “of the bloated self-satisfied political machine”. “It is obvious that Mr Clarke holds millions of people in this country in utter contempt. Ukip are attracting supporters from all three main parties and significantly those who have either not voted for over 10 years or have never voted before in their lives. “Instead of slagging them off maybe he should try to wrap his head around the idea that Ukip are appealing to people due to the failure of the bloated self-satisfied political machine of which he is such a typical member. “He obviously doesn't care and isn't at all interested in attracting those millions to vote for the Conservatives, well so be it. The way things are going they won't be doing so any time soon. “ Mr Farage added: “So stuck in his rut is he that he cannot understand that national independence, choice in education, lower simple taxes, direct democracy, serious border control, proper criminal justice and a host of other things make a positive program for national renewal. “To him, like so many in the ossified elite these things are negative, well Mr Clarke they are not so to the general public.”
Ukip has accused the Tories of running a "morally reprehensible" smear campaign by trawling through would-be councillors' Twitter and Facebook posts. The party - which is investigating a handful of candidates over links to groups such as the BNP and alleged racist and homophobic comments - said it did not condone "unpalatable views". A Ukip spokesman said there is “evidence that Conservative Campaign Head Quarters has been scrutinising each and every one of our 1,732 candidates, monitoring every social media output over the last few years”.
Patrick McLoughlin, the Transport Secretary, said Ukip candidates were being put under the same scrutiny as those from other parties. “Candidates are always put under scrutiny and I think it's right. Why should Ukip candidates get away without any scrutiny when other parties have scrutiny as far as their candidates are concerned?" he told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show. "I don't know anything about a smear campaign." Asked whether it was right to trawl through would-be councillors' social media accounts, he said: "I don't know whether that's happened, I'm just saying it happens to all parties and candidates are put under scrutiny."
And you thought the only stupid people in the Tories were Etonians?
Not at all. PB is all the proof you need that some of the most moronic and cretinous tories to be found are the tea party tories with the always hilarious stupidity from the inept public relations tory spinners
One of your favourite riffs is that you are prepared to raise things that the other parties brush under the carpet. But in your own way, you do the same. You know the world can’t be changed back to the way many of your supporters would like it to be. But rather than say so, you pretend that our problems could be solved – and we could increase defence spending, cut tax and balance the budget all at once – if only we did a handful of apparently simple things, like leave the EU and clamp down on immigration.
(Making unkeepable promises in the expectation of never having to keep them is another qualification in the Heir to Clegg stakes). As it happens, your supporters know the world is more complicated than that; a vote for UKIP is a vote against the complication.
It seems to be working for the time being. But to keep your momentum up, you must continue to cultivate disaffection, disillusionment, anxiety, distrust and grumpiness – and no longer for a cause, but as an end in itself. I can’t believe that’s what you went into politics to do. And as I say, it must be demoralising for someone of your talent. So why on earth do you do it?
"Roger, Have you ever met the person you are slagging off? I think your comment says more about you and your personal prejudices than anything about the object of your rather nasty comment."
I actually stole the sentiment from Peter Oborne someone I normally find unreadable but his description of Cameron and his henchmen as "an incestuous collection of louche, affluent, power-hungry and amoral Londoners" shows how wrong I was
PS. What was your most recent username before "Square Root"?
And you thought the only stupid people in the Tories were Etonians?
Not at all. PB is all the proof you need that some of the most moronic and cretinous tories to be found are the tea party tories with the always hilarious stupidity from the inept public relations tory spinners
moronic cretinous tea party hilarious stupidity inept spinners
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Regardless, I mean overcompensate in displays of 'in touchness' rather than actually making themselves less out of touch. Meaning they appear more likely to engage in those embarrasing politician moments where they pretend to like band x of the day, or how they are totally down with the young people. They all do it, and it is always funny, but my sense is Tories worry more about such things - you may think with cause, but since I don't believe being out of touch is itself a problem, it is still mostly unnecessary.
Someone belong to a university group known for being prats doesn't bother me in the slightest though. I imagine many people would say belonging to a young Labour/Conservatives group would be even more embarrasing!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22117380
Mitchell's bike up for sale.
http://www.murdermap.co.uk/pages/cases/case.asp?CID=229560091&VID=923&Case=Eltham-stabbing:-Shaun-Hayes
I couldn't care less about Cameron's pledges, but I do care more about holding incompetent Ministers and other politicians to account. Burnham is not fit to hold office.
Of course when it comes to out of touch, the hypocrisy of your comments contrasting to your personal lifestyle as expressed on here does not go unnoticed.
A suspect named as 49-year-old Luigi Preiti was arrested at the scene.
Rome prosecutor, Pierfilippo Laviani, said the gunman had hoped to target politicians but as he was unable to, he shot the police officers instead."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22330952
As I have posted before the actual Labour vote share next Thursday will be around 24/25% which will somehow be recalculated as a NEV of 35 - 38% without any meaningful explanation of the calculation(s) involved .
Make them taxable
A furious Mr Farage responded by saying that Mr Clarke is a member of “of the bloated self-satisfied political machine”.
“It is obvious that Mr Clarke holds millions of people in this country in utter contempt. Ukip are attracting supporters from all three main parties and significantly those who have either not voted for over 10 years or have never voted before in their lives.
“Instead of slagging them off maybe he should try to wrap his head around the idea that Ukip are appealing to people due to the failure of the bloated self-satisfied political machine of which he is such a typical member.
“He obviously doesn't care and isn't at all interested in attracting those millions to vote for the Conservatives, well so be it. The way things are going they won't be doing so any time soon. “
Mr Farage added: “So stuck in his rut is he that he cannot understand that national independence, choice in education, lower simple taxes, direct democracy, serious border control, proper criminal justice and a host of other things make a positive program for national renewal.
“To him, like so many in the ossified elite these things are negative, well Mr Clarke they are not so to the general public.”
Ukip has accused the Tories of running a "morally reprehensible" smear campaign by trawling through would-be councillors' Twitter and Facebook posts.
The party - which is investigating a handful of candidates over links to groups such as the BNP and alleged racist and homophobic comments - said it did not condone "unpalatable views".
A Ukip spokesman said there is “evidence that Conservative Campaign Head Quarters has been scrutinising each and every one of our 1,732 candidates, monitoring every social media output over the last few years”.
Patrick McLoughlin, the Transport Secretary, said Ukip candidates were being put under the same scrutiny as those from other parties.
“Candidates are always put under scrutiny and I think it's right. Why should Ukip candidates get away without any scrutiny when other parties have scrutiny as far as their candidates are concerned?" he told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show.
"I don't know anything about a smear campaign."
Asked whether it was right to trawl through would-be councillors' social media accounts, he said: "I don't know whether that's happened, I'm just saying it happens to all parties and candidates are put under scrutiny."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10023734/Nigel-Farage-attacks-Ken-Clarke-for-calling-Ukip-voters-racists.html
What - government cases of incompetence? That would bring in a fair amount, no question.
Actually on this one I don't think IDS said anything that should have gotten all his colleagues jumpy, it was cautiously enough phrased I think.
Time for a new (scratched) record...
What in God's name are you talking about, woman? More rambling for Blighty?
http://www.panelbase.com/news/GreenPartyforpublication09042013.pdf
There listed on the news section of their website.. http://www.panelbase.com/news/
Edit: That example one does seem a bit sparse with only one question. The other pdfs on that link have much more info.
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2013/04/a-memo-to-nigel-farage/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-memo-to-nigel-farage
One of your favourite riffs is that you are prepared to raise things that the other parties brush under the carpet. But in your own way, you do the same. You know the world can’t be changed back to the way many of your supporters would like it to be. But rather than say so, you pretend that our problems could be solved – and we could increase defence spending, cut tax and balance the budget all at once – if only we did a handful of apparently simple things, like leave the EU and clamp down on immigration.
(Making unkeepable promises in the expectation of never having to keep them is another qualification in the Heir to Clegg stakes). As it happens, your supporters know the world is more complicated than that; a vote for UKIP is a vote against the complication.
It seems to be working for the time being. But to keep your momentum up, you must continue to cultivate disaffection, disillusionment, anxiety, distrust and grumpiness – and no longer for a cause, but as an end in itself. I can’t believe that’s what you went into politics to do. And as I say, it must be demoralising for someone of your talent. So why on earth do you do it?
Maybe you could explain it to me over a pint.
YouGov usually publishes all the questions....
"Roger, Have you ever met the person you are slagging off? I think your comment says more about you and your personal prejudices than anything about the object of your rather nasty comment."
I actually stole the sentiment from Peter Oborne someone I normally find unreadable but his description of Cameron and his henchmen as "an incestuous collection of louche, affluent, power-hungry and amoral Londoners" shows how wrong I was
PS. What was your most recent username before "Square Root"?
cretinous
tea party
hilarious
stupidity
inept
spinners
Damn!
Missed
Osbrowne
Fops
Otherwise it would have been 'PORCINE BINGO!'
Calm down dear. You're sounding quite unhinged again.
You need to save your eccentric hysteria for May the 3rd like the other inept tory PR spinners.