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Weasels are weirdly exciting to see in the wild. Likewise stoats. They are so devilish and quickOldKingCole said:
A hare ran along the road as we were heading out to dinner last Tuesday at a pleasant country pub about five miles away. Hadn't seen one for ages.Foxy said:
Lots of hares around my way, more than I have seen for some years, but alas the mole has returned to my garden.OldKingCole said:
No, don't do that; comparison of wildlife observations are always interesting!JosiasJessop said:
Oh dear; in case correlation == causation I shall refrain from mentioning the chicks. Hope you feel better soon - sounds like it could have been worse.OldKingCole said:O/t but. Just after asking Mr Jessop about his wildlife observations yesterday morning yesterday stopped being a GOOD DAY. Because I fell ….. tripped an uneven pavement…., en route to the paper shop, was carted off, by a very cheerful and positive ambulance crew, to hospital, was checked over quite thoroughly, including by the frailty team …..84 year old has nasty fall…… and was finally picked up, still unsteady on my feet by my wife, at about 3pm. Broke my glasses, have two black eyes and various other grazes on my face and arms. Looks dreadful!
So life has changed again.
However, most of the blue-tit chicks seem fit and healthy!
And, indeed, could have been worse. Only my glasses are broken, no bones!
We had a mole in our garden for a while at our former house. Tried all sorts to get rid of it, in vain. Eventually the cat caught it.
Played with it for a bit, as cats do, with my wife urging 'kill, kill'!1 -
Mr. Abode, ha, I was somewhat tempted by that bet (edited extra bit: a Russell podium) but preferred the group one, which is not entirely unrelated.0
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I agree but it does require a sensible labour platformCasino_Royale said:
By 2024 (and remember: the election could be as late as January 2025) the Conservatives will have been in power over 14 years - that's longer than New Labour were, which felt like a very long time, and who governed during a period of far more benign conditions and looked invincible for much of it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morningHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
On the face of it the direction of travel is to the conservatives experiencing a heavy defeat in 24
I watch in dismay as they put their fingers in their ears and just cannot decide on how to address this cost of living crisis, as people are experiencing rising costs that are frightening them, and they need their government to be on their side, which at present they are not
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
Eventually, in any sensibly functioning democracy, you run out of road. But Boris has certainly pressed the pedal to the floor and careered the car to the end of the track heedless of collateral damage along the way.0 -
Fair enough. Apology acceptedHeathener said:
I've already said sorry for having a dig and do so again.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
However, Leon, to describe yourself as a saint on this forum really is to stretch things a little far. Some of your (mostly late night) rants can be really vicious and full of invective in my opinion.
You are no nicer than I but we cause a spark of electricity because of our very different perspectives on life.
And your travel blogs irritate me a) because they're boastful and b) because I'm jealous.
Actually, the real problem for me is that I've spent much of my life travelling and right now I can't so it's more deep envy. And vicarious annoyance.
etc.
You should still take a look at yourself. Tsk3 -
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.1 -
That's why I'm easy
Albanese like Sunday morning0 -
Yes very very painful, particularly sneezing and I struggled to sleep, particularly turning over and sitting up in the morning was awful. But it was a family holiday on blue slopes teaching the kids to ski so it was easier and smoother than walking. I couldn't have done a black run or mogul field. And I am mean and stubborn which helps.Heathener said:
That's really impressive that you carried on skiing. It's supposed to be one of the most painful things going: according to my GP which I'm not sure helped reassure me.kjh said:
I broke a rib skiing. A pathetic fall but onto my pole. I carried on skiing (I'm that mean I wasn't going to waste the snow), but I was heavily dosed up with painkillers and coughing, sneezing, laughing or hiccups were so painful.Heathener said:
I'm in my 50's and some of you may recall I slipped and fell, breaking a rib. It has taken six weeks for me even to be able to begin sleeping on that side.kjh said:
Sorry to hear that. Hope you shake it off quickly. By the sounds of it you will be shaking a fall off quicker than me and I have nearly 20 years advantage over you so try thinking of that to keep positive.OldKingCole said:O/t but. Just after asking Mr Jessop about his wildlife observations yesterday morning yesterday stopped being a GOOD DAY. Because I fell ….. tripped an uneven pavement…., en route to the paper shop, was carted off, by a very cheerful and positive ambulance crew, to hospital, was checked over quite thoroughly, including by the frailty team …..84 year old has nasty fall…… and was finally picked up, still unsteady on my feet by my wife, at about 3pm. Broke my glasses, have two black eyes and various other grazes on my face and arms. Looks dreadful!
So life has changed again.
However, most of the blue-tit chicks seem fit and healthy!
It shakes one up a bit too.
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Mine was also pathetic. A loss of concentration and lack of grip underfoot but the really pathetic part was falling onto my chest ... in the pocket of which was my mobile phone. It was that which broke the rib.
I suppose if I had been walking whilst looking at political betting I wouldn't have broken a bone
I was actually not moving when I fell. Just standing there and not concentrating and fell downhill rather than uphill and fell on the handle of my pole. A real freak accident. A bit akin to my recent accident.
It appears I can pitch pole catamarans and wipeout on black and yellow runs without injury but walking and standing still appears to be a challenge for me.1 -
It did come up, in the context of holidays. Pet passports at the chunnel, but otherwise not mentioned. Lots of covid and lockdown related chat, but in a bunch of healthworkers processing what has been a gruelling couple of years that was to be expected. Mostly people were clearly relishing being out on the town again.turbotubbs said:
Did you talk about Brexit?Foxy said:
One curious issue, on my night out we talked of many things in a party of about 40 staff, and no one mentioned any "Woke" issue at all, either way. Its almost as if no one is bothered.Jonathan said:
The right are the masters of Woke, they invented it after all.Leon said:
And yet, the Culture Wars are working for the Right in the USA (abortion excepted, as always)Heathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I suggest this is because the Horror that is Woke is much further advanced in the USA than anywhere else, but it is spreading quickly in the UK, Canada, Oz, and is now creeping into the EU1 -
We have those too. Buzzards I mean.Heathener said:Re. the pair of kestrels, where I have been walking there's a pair of buzzards. Always a wonderful sight, unless you're a mouse.
It amazes me too how they get mobbed by the crows.
Very close by is Hodbarrow Bird Reserve so this is a fantastic place to be for bird watchers. And while I am not a twitcher, I do love seeing them. One of the loveliest things about living here is the day long bird song. I am woken at 4:30 / 5:00 by the dawn chorus and it goes on pretty much all day until it's dark. It's like having Nature's Mozart as the accompaniment to daily life.
On the evening I first moved in to the barn I lived in during Covid, driving up the path leading to it past another working barn, a snowy white barn owl flew out from it and in front of my car almost at eye level. I got such a good view of it. It was magical.
I used to see that owl regularly during my time living there. But that first view was special. Almost as if she was welcoming me to her territory.
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I'd expect the Conservatives to win about 40% in 2024, which may or may not be enough to eke out a majority.LostPassword said:
I haven't looked at the recent polls in detail, but earlier in the year the dominant feature was that a disproportionate fraction of the Tory 2019 vote was telling pollsters that they didn't know who they would vote for. You can get quite a bit of swingback just from these voters reluctantly being prodded into Tory-voting action to stop the onward march of woke. You wouldn't need anyone currently saying they would vote for an opposition party to change their mind.Foxy said:
Yes, one of the issues.Stuartinromford said:Isn't the big question what votes are moving where?
If (say) Labour are losing votes in Hackney but gaining in Southampton, that's useful for them.
The other thing that I notice is that there isn't much of the current Lab/LD/Green vote that would consider voting Tory. Not much room for swingback if you take people at their word.0 -
The BBC has biases. The key is whether it makes a genuine effort toward maintaining impartiality, not that it achieves it perfectly all the time. I think it does.Casino_Royale said:I see the BBC news website can barely contain its glee over the Australian Labor victory this morning.
Two leading articles, the second of which says politics will be greener, more feminine and more emphatically Australian before calling Morrison a small-T Trump.
And people say this organisation has no bias.
Can't speak for this example, but I think they seem to make less effort on foreign affairs. Those I was very surprised to see its report on 'gaffe prone Biden' once.0 -
We have kites, and a vast array of songbirds, and the occasional pheasant, or deer.Cyclefree said:
We have those too. Buzzards I mean.Heathener said:Re. the pair of kestrels, where I have been walking there's a pair of buzzards. Always a wonderful sight, unless you're a mouse.
It amazes me too how they get mobbed by the crows.
Very close by is Hodbarrow Bird Reserve so this is a fantastic place to be for bird watchers. And while I am not a twitcher, I do love seeing them. One of the loveliest things about living here is the day long bird song. I am woken at 4:30 / 5:00 by the dawn chorus and it goes on pretty much all day until it's dark. It's like having Nature's Mozart as the accompaniment to daily life.
On the evening I first moved in to the barn I lived in during Covid, driving up the path leading to it past another working barn, a snowy white barn owl flew out from it and in front of my car almost at eye level. I got such a good view of it. It was magical.
I used to see that owl regularly during my time living there. But that first view was special. Almost as if she was welcoming me to her territory.1 -
A rather nasty and unpleasant view. Are you by any chance suffering from Wokepox?Casino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.0 -
This is because Americans are infected with religion and will do whatever the chap they see each Sunday morning tells them.Leon said:
And yet, the Culture Wars are working for the Right in the USA (abortion excepted, as always)Heathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I suggest this is because the Horror that is Woke is much further advanced in the USA than anywhere else, but it is spreading quickly in the UK, Canada, Oz, and is now creeping into the EU0 -
I think it tries on most things, but on green topics it is now verboten to deviate from the accepted line. One of the reasons they are so cock a hoop about labour winning in Australia.kle4 said:
The BBC has biases. The key is whether it makes a genuine effort toward maintaining impartiality, not that it achieves it perfectly all the time. I think it does.Casino_Royale said:I see the BBC news website can barely contain its glee over the Australian Labor victory this morning.
Two leading articles, the second of which says politics will be greener, more feminine and more emphatically Australian before calling Morrison a small-T Trump.
And people say this organisation has no bias.
Can't speak for this example, but I think they seem to make less effort on foreign affairs. Those I was very surprised to see its report on 'gaffe prone Biden' once.0 -
How glorious. It sounds (literally) absolutely wonderful.Cyclefree said:
We have those too. Buzzards I mean.Heathener said:Re. the pair of kestrels, where I have been walking there's a pair of buzzards. Always a wonderful sight, unless you're a mouse.
It amazes me too how they get mobbed by the crows.
Very close by is Hodbarrow Bird Reserve so this is a fantastic place to be for bird watchers. And while I am not a twitcher, I do love seeing them. One of the loveliest things about living here is the day long bird song. I am woken at 4:30 / 5:00 by the dawn chorus and it goes on pretty much all day until it's dark. It's like having Nature's Mozart as the accompaniment to daily life.
On the evening I first moved in to the barn I lived in during Covid, driving up the path leading to it past another working barn, a snowy white barn owl flew out from it and in front of my car almost at eye level. I got such a good view of it. It was magical.
I used to see that owl regularly during my time living there. But that first view was special. Almost as if she was welcoming me to her territory.0 -
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly2 -
There could still be a leadership challenge against Johnson if the Tories lose both by-elections by big margins.0
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I hope you are right, if China sorts itself out quickly then possibly.Foxy said:
Yes, probably. Though quite a few have saved a fair bit over lockdown, what with no holidays and the like, so have a bit of a cushion. Not everyone of course.Taz said:
All the best OkC, get well soon.OldKingCole said:O/t but. Just after asking Mr Jessop about his wildlife observations yesterday morning yesterday stopped being a GOOD DAY. Because I fell ….. tripped an uneven pavement…., en route to the paper shop, was carted off, by a very cheerful and positive ambulance crew, to hospital, was checked over quite thoroughly, including by the frailty team …..84 year old has nasty fall…… and was finally picked up, still unsteady on my feet by my wife, at about 3pm. Broke my glasses, have two black eyes and various other grazes on my face and arms. Looks dreadful!
So life has changed again.
However, most of the blue-tit chicks seem fit and healthy!Foxy said:Interesting night out in town for a works leaving do (ward housekeeper retiring). Town very lively with hen parties, shortie playsuits seem to be the fashion here. Matron surprisingly good at the kareoke and a good time had by all.
LEICESTER IS BACK!
For the time being. Same with Newcastle yesterday. When the cost of living crisis truly bites hospitality will be devastated. Discretionary spend will fall off a cliff.
Economically, things are never as good as they seem, nor as bad as they seem. I think the external inflationary pressures will pass fairly quickly.
However I expect little good in the next 12 months economically.0 -
Is this true or are you merely repeating some tripe you read in the Daily Mail?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that the three RMT leaders are Putin apologists and easily identified as such therefore providing a gift to Boris and a nightmare for labourHeathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.0 -
Jeremy Hunt coming over well on Sophie Ridge this morning0
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Yes, motivation to vote will be critical, and that undecided population too. I think too that even these "certain" voterrs will move about a bit inthe next couple of years.LostPassword said:
I haven't looked at the recent polls in detail, but earlier in the year the dominant feature was that a disproportionate fraction of the Tory 2019 vote was telling pollsters that they didn't know who they would vote for. You can get quite a bit of swingback just from these voters reluctantly being prodded into Tory-voting action to stop the onward march of woke. You wouldn't need anyone currently saying they would vote for an opposition party to change their mind.Foxy said:
Yes, one of the issues.Stuartinromford said:Isn't the big question what votes are moving where?
If (say) Labour are losing votes in Hackney but gaining in Southampton, that's useful for them.
The other thing that I notice is that there isn't much of the current Lab/LD/Green vote that would consider voting Tory. Not much room for swingback if you take people at their word.
Labour cannot continue the policy vacuum much longer, though I do understand why they appear to be keeping their powder dry. If they have any powder at all.0 -
It is a bit OTT but...Casino_Royale said:I see the BBC news website can barely contain its glee over the Australian Labor victory this morning.
Two leading articles, the second of which says politics will be greener, more feminine and more emphatically Australian before calling Morrison a small-T Trump.
And people say this organisation has no bias.
First, news judgements are always a bit off overnight at weekends because the senior staff are at home in bed. Second, Australia is an English-speaking Commonwealth country with which most of us are familiar. Third, this may well be a landmark election. Fourth, news is always relative and not much else has happened. Fifth, I would not completely rule out an Australian editor on the overnight news team.0 -
I think there's a difference between "on-air" and the BBC news website.kle4 said:
The BBC has biases. The key is whether it makes a genuine effort toward maintaining impartiality, not that it achieves it perfectly all the time. I think it does.Casino_Royale said:I see the BBC news website can barely contain its glee over the Australian Labor victory this morning.
Two leading articles, the second of which says politics will be greener, more feminine and more emphatically Australian before calling Morrison a small-T Trump.
And people say this organisation has no bias.
Can't speak for this example, but I think they seem to make less effort on foreign affairs. Those I was very surprised to see its report on 'gaffe prone Biden' once.
The latter is no better than the Guardian.1 -
Fine. And will you? I just looked back and, I kid you not, you have done @Heathener numerous times in the past days when I haven't been on this forum. I won't bother to repeat the quotes on here but I have them open in tabs so take it as a read. When you go off on one, usually after a glass or two, you can get pretty vicious especially against the Left and Remainers - even though I understand that up until the very last minute you were genuinely conflicted?Leon said:
Fair enough. Apology acceptedHeathener said:
I've already said sorry for having a dig and do so again.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
However, Leon, to describe yourself as a saint on this forum really is to stretch things a little far. Some of your (mostly late night) rants can be really vicious and full of invective in my opinion.
You are no nicer than I but we cause a spark of electricity because of our very different perspectives on life.
And your travel blogs irritate me a) because they're boastful and b) because I'm jealous.
Actually, the real problem for me is that I've spent much of my life travelling and right now I can't so it's more deep envy. And vicarious annoyance.
etc.
You should still take a look at yourself. Tsk
As for Casino Royale's comment just now about woke people ... what a snide, nasty, comment that was. A really vile piece of invective.
So there's a lot of pot, kettle, black about this. The Right sometimes seem to claim the moral high ground and when, as in the US, they drag poor old God into it, it because truly bilious.0 -
A true left leaner would support the RMT standing up for the 2,500 safety critical employees threatened with dismissal and dedicated rail staff who have been offered a wage increase that is effectively a massive pay cut. If there is a strike it is due to management failing to engage. The RMT want a fair solution.Heathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.0 -
Hunt's "I wouldn't have locked down in 2020" line is interesting because it shows he's on a wooing mission to the Steve Baker's of this world and thus keen to build up a following amongst the parliamentary right as well as his one nation core.Andy_JS said:There could still be a leadership challenge against Johnson if the Tories lose both by-elections by big margins.
There's no doubt in my mind that he's entirely serious.1 -
It maybe true, but that won't get the workers to vote to strike. A 2% payrise and 9% inflation will. In some ways a return to the Seventies, where some union leaders were marxists, but the workers just wanted to improve their living standards and incomes.Tres said:
Is this true or are you merely repeating some tripe you read in the Daily Mail?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that the three RMT leaders are Putin apologists and easily identified as such therefore providing a gift to Boris and a nightmare for labourHeathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.3 -
Oo-er, Missus!!Big_G_NorthWales said:Jeremy Hunt coming over well on Sophie Ridge this morning
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We know Omicron blows through quickly, even in unimmunised countries like most of Africa, so I think it will be gone in China soon.Taz said:
I hope you are right, if China sorts itself out quickly then possibly.Foxy said:
Yes, probably. Though quite a few have saved a fair bit over lockdown, what with no holidays and the like, so have a bit of a cushion. Not everyone of course.Taz said:
All the best OkC, get well soon.OldKingCole said:O/t but. Just after asking Mr Jessop about his wildlife observations yesterday morning yesterday stopped being a GOOD DAY. Because I fell ….. tripped an uneven pavement…., en route to the paper shop, was carted off, by a very cheerful and positive ambulance crew, to hospital, was checked over quite thoroughly, including by the frailty team …..84 year old has nasty fall…… and was finally picked up, still unsteady on my feet by my wife, at about 3pm. Broke my glasses, have two black eyes and various other grazes on my face and arms. Looks dreadful!
So life has changed again.
However, most of the blue-tit chicks seem fit and healthy!Foxy said:Interesting night out in town for a works leaving do (ward housekeeper retiring). Town very lively with hen parties, shortie playsuits seem to be the fashion here. Matron surprisingly good at the kareoke and a good time had by all.
LEICESTER IS BACK!
For the time being. Same with Newcastle yesterday. When the cost of living crisis truly bites hospitality will be devastated. Discretionary spend will fall off a cliff.
Economically, things are never as good as they seem, nor as bad as they seem. I think the external inflationary pressures will pass fairly quickly.
However I expect little good in the next 12 months economically.0 -
It is widely reported that the leaders are Putin apologists and a strike led by them will be a gift to BorisTres said:
Is this true or are you merely repeating some tripe you read in the Daily Mail?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that the three RMT leaders are Putin apologists and easily identified as such therefore providing a gift to Boris and a nightmare for labourHeathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/telegraph-links-rmt-union-to-putins-russia-following-tube-strike-314472/0 -
We walked past a group of birdwatchers who were watching a bird, small thing, which had drifted off course into the U.K. that was pretty rare here.Carnyx said:
For me, perhaps what must have been a Minke Whale sounding near our yacht in the Sound of Eigg.Heathener said:
Thanks so much for this. A very useful map.Flatlander said:
Not terribly rare, although they like specific places - round here usually limestone or lime rich.Heathener said:On the topic of nature and wildlife, I was delighted the other day to find an Early Purple orchid (orchis mascula). It was growing all by itself, so far as I could tell, in a shady and damp bank underneath hanging branches and in a place few would walk. Really beautiful.
https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/trees-woods-and-wildlife/plants/wild-flowers/early-purple-orchid/
Does anyone know how rare they are?
The BSBI have public (although low resolution) maps available :
https://bsbi.org/maps?taxonid=2cd4p9h.caq
I spotted a Long-eared owl this time last year which I think is one of my rarest UK sightings. I suppose the Golden Eagle in the Highlands was rarer still.
What is the rarest flora or fauna to have been sighted by others in the UK?
Egyptian Goose also comer to think of that (though the last was nesting about 2m from the visitor centre shop at Rutland Water reserve).0 -
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.0 -
This is interesting because it is something that would really irritate me if I come across it (as mentioned before I come from the Jeremy Clarkson wing of the LDs), yet it never crops up. Now you may say I'm in my own bubble yet it appears most here don't come across it in their lives either.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly2 -
I’m lucky enough to live in a part of the world where red kites have become a very common sight, both high up and low enough to see the feathers. I’m been distracted a time it two while teaching when one has glided (glid?) past the windows of the lab.Cyclefree said:
Lots of birds feeding in my garden and quite a variety too. But the real beauty is seeing kestrels soar high above. It's not the first time I've seen them round here but it never fails to impress.StillWaters said:
You are the only person who felt the need to make a dig at another poster in an otherwise friendly and concerned series of posts. What does that say about you?Heathener said:
Personally I would far rather read your calming and beautiful wildlife postings than yet another tipsy travel boast from Leon.JosiasJessop said:
Oh dear; in case correlation == causation I shall refrain from mentioning the chicks. Hope you feel better soon - sounds like it could have been worse.OldKingCole said:O/t but. Just after asking Mr Jessop about his wildlife observations yesterday morning yesterday stopped being a GOOD DAY. Because I fell ….. tripped an uneven pavement…., en route to the paper shop, was carted off, by a very cheerful and positive ambulance crew, to hospital, was checked over quite thoroughly, including by the frailty team …..84 year old has nasty fall…… and was finally picked up, still unsteady on my feet by my wife, at about 3pm. Broke my glasses, have two black eyes and various other grazes on my face and arms. Looks dreadful!
So life has changed again.
However, most of the blue-tit chicks seem fit and healthy!0 -
Yup, it should run out of people to infect.Foxy said:
We know Omicron blows through quickly, even in unimmunised countries like most of Africa, so I think it will be gone in China soon.Taz said:
I hope you are right, if China sorts itself out quickly then possibly.Foxy said:
Yes, probably. Though quite a few have saved a fair bit over lockdown, what with no holidays and the like, so have a bit of a cushion. Not everyone of course.Taz said:
All the best OkC, get well soon.OldKingCole said:O/t but. Just after asking Mr Jessop about his wildlife observations yesterday morning yesterday stopped being a GOOD DAY. Because I fell ….. tripped an uneven pavement…., en route to the paper shop, was carted off, by a very cheerful and positive ambulance crew, to hospital, was checked over quite thoroughly, including by the frailty team …..84 year old has nasty fall…… and was finally picked up, still unsteady on my feet by my wife, at about 3pm. Broke my glasses, have two black eyes and various other grazes on my face and arms. Looks dreadful!
So life has changed again.
However, most of the blue-tit chicks seem fit and healthy!Foxy said:Interesting night out in town for a works leaving do (ward housekeeper retiring). Town very lively with hen parties, shortie playsuits seem to be the fashion here. Matron surprisingly good at the kareoke and a good time had by all.
LEICESTER IS BACK!
For the time being. Same with Newcastle yesterday. When the cost of living crisis truly bites hospitality will be devastated. Discretionary spend will fall off a cliff.
Economically, things are never as good as they seem, nor as bad as they seem. I think the external inflationary pressures will pass fairly quickly.
However I expect little good in the next 12 months economically.0 -
I'd be surprised if they polled that high to be honest.Sean_F said:
I'd expect the Conservatives to win about 40% in 2024, which may or may not be enough to eke out a majority.LostPassword said:
I haven't looked at the recent polls in detail, but earlier in the year the dominant feature was that a disproportionate fraction of the Tory 2019 vote was telling pollsters that they didn't know who they would vote for. You can get quite a bit of swingback just from these voters reluctantly being prodded into Tory-voting action to stop the onward march of woke. You wouldn't need anyone currently saying they would vote for an opposition party to change their mind.Foxy said:
Yes, one of the issues.Stuartinromford said:Isn't the big question what votes are moving where?
If (say) Labour are losing votes in Hackney but gaining in Southampton, that's useful for them.
The other thing that I notice is that there isn't much of the current Lab/LD/Green vote that would consider voting Tory. Not much room for swingback if you take people at their word.
At the moment I'm thinking 36-38%.1 -
Being widely reported doesn't equal true!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is widely reported that the leaders are Putin apologists and a strike led by them will be a gift to BorisTres said:
Is this true or are you merely repeating some tripe you read in the Daily Mail?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that the three RMT leaders are Putin apologists and easily identified as such therefore providing a gift to Boris and a nightmare for labourHeathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/telegraph-links-rmt-union-to-putins-russia-following-tube-strike-314472/
Though they may be some MPs who regret opening the doors to going back to see whatever everyone was saying about Russia and Ukraine in 2014.....0 -
Yep a really nasty and unpleasant view, and supported by Leon.Foxy said:
A rather nasty and unpleasant view. Are you by any chance suffering from Wokepox?Casino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
I don't see a particular difference between nastiness on Left or Right but I happen to think the latter are more hypocritical and have more Chutzpah about it. They seem to lack self-awareness that they are being vile.
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Sivota is pleasant (if you like Yachties). I strongly reccomend nearby Parga.Leon said:
And a very good morning to you too, @Heathener from my semi-permanent office in sunny Sivota, EpirusHeathener said:
Personally I would far rather read your calming and beautiful wildlife postings than yet another tipsy travel boast from Leon.JosiasJessop said:
Oh dear; in case correlation == causation I shall refrain from mentioning the chicks. Hope you feel better soon - sounds like it could have been worse.OldKingCole said:O/t but. Just after asking Mr Jessop about his wildlife observations yesterday morning yesterday stopped being a GOOD DAY. Because I fell ….. tripped an uneven pavement…., en route to the paper shop, was carted off, by a very cheerful and positive ambulance crew, to hospital, was checked over quite thoroughly, including by the frailty team …..84 year old has nasty fall…… and was finally picked up, still unsteady on my feet by my wife, at about 3pm. Broke my glasses, have two black eyes and various other grazes on my face and arms. Looks dreadful!
So life has changed again.
However, most of the blue-tit chicks seem fit and healthy!
No booze, just an excellent cappuccino
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Under a FPTP system like the UK if the Greens are polling high then that will likely doom Labour for as the Yougov poll shows the Greens will take votes from those who would most likely vote Labour otherwise.
However under an AV or PR or runoff system it would not matter. Hence in Australia yesterday Labor got just 32% on first preferences with the Greens on 12% and the Coalition on 35%. Yet once Green preferences were taken into account Labor were able to get to 52% to 48% for the Coalition and win the election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Australian_federal_election
What saved Cameron in 2015 of course under FPTP was winning over centrist voters and squeezing the LD vote which had declined by 15% since 2010, thus he was able to survive leakage to his right to UKIP0 -
You're the one being really deeply unpleasant and toxic this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
Have a nice day everyone.
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I just can't work those touchpads. I need a mouse.Leon said:
And a very good morning to you too, @Heathener from my semi-permanent office in sunny Sivota, EpirusHeathener said:
Personally I would far rather read your calming and beautiful wildlife postings than yet another tipsy travel boast from Leon.JosiasJessop said:
Oh dear; in case correlation == causation I shall refrain from mentioning the chicks. Hope you feel better soon - sounds like it could have been worse.OldKingCole said:O/t but. Just after asking Mr Jessop about his wildlife observations yesterday morning yesterday stopped being a GOOD DAY. Because I fell ….. tripped an uneven pavement…., en route to the paper shop, was carted off, by a very cheerful and positive ambulance crew, to hospital, was checked over quite thoroughly, including by the frailty team …..84 year old has nasty fall…… and was finally picked up, still unsteady on my feet by my wife, at about 3pm. Broke my glasses, have two black eyes and various other grazes on my face and arms. Looks dreadful!
So life has changed again.
However, most of the blue-tit chicks seem fit and healthy!
No booze, just an excellent cappuccino0 -
That's why I'm easyCasino_Royale said:I see the BBC news website can barely contain its glee over the Australian Labor victory this morning.
Two leading articles, the second of which says politics will be greener, more feminine and more emphatically Australian before calling Morrison a small-T Trump.
And people say this organisation has no bias.
Albanese like Sunday morning0 -
It’s more of an online magazine these days. It is pretty obvious what it’s editorial biases are but then it is desperately trying to appeal to da yoof as is the whole of the BBC. Hence bringing back, with disastrous results, BBC3.Casino_Royale said:
I think there's a difference between "on-air" and the BBC news website.kle4 said:
The BBC has biases. The key is whether it makes a genuine effort toward maintaining impartiality, not that it achieves it perfectly all the time. I think it does.Casino_Royale said:I see the BBC news website can barely contain its glee over the Australian Labor victory this morning.
Two leading articles, the second of which says politics will be greener, more feminine and more emphatically Australian before calling Morrison a small-T Trump.
And people say this organisation has no bias.
Can't speak for this example, but I think they seem to make less effort on foreign affairs. Those I was very surprised to see its report on 'gaffe prone Biden' once.
The latter is no better than the Guardian.1 -
I must find out where Daughter is today ......Penddu2 said:
Sivota is pleasant (if you like Yachties). I strongly reccomend nearby Parga.Leon said:
And a very good morning to you too, @Heathener from my semi-permanent office in sunny Sivota, EpirusHeathener said:
Personally I would far rather read your calming and beautiful wildlife postings than yet another tipsy travel boast from Leon.JosiasJessop said:
Oh dear; in case correlation == causation I shall refrain from mentioning the chicks. Hope you feel better soon - sounds like it could have been worse.OldKingCole said:O/t but. Just after asking Mr Jessop about his wildlife observations yesterday morning yesterday stopped being a GOOD DAY. Because I fell ….. tripped an uneven pavement…., en route to the paper shop, was carted off, by a very cheerful and positive ambulance crew, to hospital, was checked over quite thoroughly, including by the frailty team …..84 year old has nasty fall…… and was finally picked up, still unsteady on my feet by my wife, at about 3pm. Broke my glasses, have two black eyes and various other grazes on my face and arms. Looks dreadful!
So life has changed again.
However, most of the blue-tit chicks seem fit and healthy!
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To face a landslide defeat the Conservatives would need to fall to 30% or less like 1997, currently they are on around 33 to 35%, in part because of the culture wars, which while not enough to win re election, would be enough to avoid a landslide defeatHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.0 -
I'm not going to be dragged down into the gutter with you.Heathener said:
Fine. And will you? I just looked back and, I kid you not, you have done @Heathener numerous times in the past days when I haven't been on this forum. I won't bother to repeat the quotes on here but I have them open in tabs so take it as a read. When you go off on one, usually after a glass or two, you can get pretty vicious especially against the Left and Remainers - even though I understand that up until the very last minute you were genuinely conflicted?Leon said:
Fair enough. Apology acceptedHeathener said:
I've already said sorry for having a dig and do so again.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
However, Leon, to describe yourself as a saint on this forum really is to stretch things a little far. Some of your (mostly late night) rants can be really vicious and full of invective in my opinion.
You are no nicer than I but we cause a spark of electricity because of our very different perspectives on life.
And your travel blogs irritate me a) because they're boastful and b) because I'm jealous.
Actually, the real problem for me is that I've spent much of my life travelling and right now I can't so it's more deep envy. And vicarious annoyance.
etc.
You should still take a look at yourself. Tsk
As for Casino Royale's comment just now about woke people ... what a snide, nasty, comment that was. A really vile piece of invective.
So there's a lot of pot, kettle, black about this. The Right sometimes seem to claim the moral high ground and when, as in the US, they drag poor old God into it, it because truly bilious.
Your hyperbolic response is because you recognised something of yourself in what I said and are thus upset about it.
Reconsider your approach to life.
Think about it.2 -
Maybe disprove the allegations thenTres said:
Being widely reported doesn't equal true!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is widely reported that the leaders are Putin apologists and a strike led by them will be a gift to BorisTres said:
Is this true or are you merely repeating some tripe you read in the Daily Mail?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that the three RMT leaders are Putin apologists and easily identified as such therefore providing a gift to Boris and a nightmare for labourHeathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/telegraph-links-rmt-union-to-putins-russia-following-tube-strike-314472/
Though they may be some MPs who regret opening the doors to going back to see whatever everyone was saying about Russia and Ukraine in 2014.....0 -
Yes, the BBC always has an excuse.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It is a bit OTT but...Casino_Royale said:I see the BBC news website can barely contain its glee over the Australian Labor victory this morning.
Two leading articles, the second of which says politics will be greener, more feminine and more emphatically Australian before calling Morrison a small-T Trump.
And people say this organisation has no bias.
First, news judgements are always a bit off overnight at weekends because the senior staff are at home in bed. Second, Australia is an English-speaking Commonwealth country with which most of us are familiar. Third, this may well be a landmark election. Fourth, news is always relative and not much else has happened. Fifth, I would not completely rule out an Australian editor on the overnight news team.
I'd just like to see more balance from their editorial team.0 -
Give him a break. The moment he stands down from his vigil the nation's rivers will be choked with toppled statues.Heathener said:
You're the one being really deeply unpleasant and toxic this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
Have a nice day everyone.
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Just one last thought.
There are a lot of throwaway "jokes" made about trans people but as Professor van der Kolk states, 'often people use jokes to hide their own prejudices'.
Perhaps a lot more self-awareness of the fact that you are doing it, little less invective, and some more graciousness and understanding from those on the Right towards those who are different from them might make society a much nicer and kinder place.
It might also help stop the Indignant Left from feeling the need to defend their corner quite so stridently.
Ciao xx-1 -
It's that time of year in the garden when the young fluff-ball tawny owls have left the nest and spend all night squeaking. And all day snoozing....
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I saw a horrible one years back. I was walking on (I think) Milk Hill, Wiltshire's highest point. A mountain biker passed me; no problems, he gave me a wide berth, then approached a stile. He got off his bike, hoisted it onto his shoulder, and went over the stile. Except he mis stepped and ended up badly twisting his ankle. A friend of his soon arrived on another bike to help us out.Leon said:
Lord luvaduckOldKingCole said:O/t but. Just after asking Mr Jessop about his wildlife observations yesterday morning yesterday stopped being a GOOD DAY. Because I fell ….. tripped an uneven pavement…., en route to the paper shop, was carted off, by a very cheerful and positive ambulance crew, to hospital, was checked over quite thoroughly, including by the frailty team …..84 year old has nasty fall…… and was finally picked up, still unsteady on my feet by my wife, at about 3pm. Broke my glasses, have two black eyes and various other grazes on my face and arms. Looks dreadful!
So life has changed again.
However, most of the blue-tit chicks seem fit and healthy!
Nasty. Hope you get well sharpish
On the subject of falls, I was walking around a monastery in Meteora a couple of days ago and I saw a fit, healthy thirty something Asian-American woman take a tremendous clattering fall, onto hard stone, scattering all her cameras and bags and everything - because she missed just one step
Luckily she got away with a sprained ankle and a big scare (for everyone: it looked horrific) but she was inches away from a smashed face, lost teeth, broken bones - and maybe something worse. A fall onto stone can severely injure or kill you - a friend of mine got frontal lobe brain damage exactly this way (he was sober, BTW, but a bit frail from an illness, hence the fall)
We are all moments from disaster. Eat drink and be merry, and scatter ye rosebuds
From my perspective as an onlooker, it almost looked like it happened in slow motion.0 -
I'm convinced the same people who lecture people on holding the correct Woke attitudes today would have been the most conservative and religious people in, say, Victorian times. Their beliefs change over the generations, but their hectoring and lecturing doesn't.3
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Ah the old classic, have you stopped having your photograph taken with Russian backed militias?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe disprove the allegations thenTres said:
Being widely reported doesn't equal true!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is widely reported that the leaders are Putin apologists and a strike led by them will be a gift to BorisTres said:
Is this true or are you merely repeating some tripe you read in the Daily Mail?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that the three RMT leaders are Putin apologists and easily identified as such therefore providing a gift to Boris and a nightmare for labourHeathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/telegraph-links-rmt-union-to-putins-russia-following-tube-strike-314472/
Though they may be some MPs who regret opening the doors to going back to see whatever everyone was saying about Russia and Ukraine in 2014.....
Have the dozens of Tory MPs who accepted donations from mysterious Russians apologised for their poor judgement? I wonder if the Daily Mail will run a smear story about that.2 -
Egyptian Geese? They're two a penny in London! Whether in Ilford's Valentine's Park or St James's Park in the city centre!Carnyx said:
For me, perhaps what must have been a Minke Whale sounding near our yacht in the Sound of Eigg.Heathener said:
Thanks so much for this. A very useful map.Flatlander said:
Not terribly rare, although they like specific places - round here usually limestone or lime rich.Heathener said:On the topic of nature and wildlife, I was delighted the other day to find an Early Purple orchid (orchis mascula). It was growing all by itself, so far as I could tell, in a shady and damp bank underneath hanging branches and in a place few would walk. Really beautiful.
https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/trees-woods-and-wildlife/plants/wild-flowers/early-purple-orchid/
Does anyone know how rare they are?
The BSBI have public (although low resolution) maps available :
https://bsbi.org/maps?taxonid=2cd4p9h.caq
I spotted a Long-eared owl this time last year which I think is one of my rarest UK sightings. I suppose the Golden Eagle in the Highlands was rarer still.
What is the rarest flora or fauna to have been sighted by others in the UK?
Egyptian Goose also comer to think of that (though the last was nesting about 2m from the visitor centre shop at Rutland Water reserve).
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Mr. Royale, the Conservatives may do even worse than that, I think.0
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Your wife is right and we all come across people like this. Nothing to do with wokeness and all to do with insecurity as your wife says.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
I do think you have gone over the top re @Heathener this morning. Done the same myself with others in the past so not a criticism, just saying.2 -
Your problem is that you make the political personal, because you think the facts only point one way and therefore if someone disagrees with you they must be a deeply unpleasant individual. This then means that you can get personal responses in kind which validate your prejudices but also upset and depress you in turn - because they're not nice.Heathener said:
You're the one being really deeply unpleasant and toxic this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
Have a nice day everyone.
xx
Only you are responsible for your own behaviour and it's up to you whether you want to break the circle or not.
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It seems you cannot disprove the allegations against the 3 RMT leaders, and it is not just the daily mail reporting on the pro Putin loyalties of these leadersTres said:
Ah the old classic, have you stopped having your photograph taken with Russian backed militias?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe disprove the allegations thenTres said:
Being widely reported doesn't equal true!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is widely reported that the leaders are Putin apologists and a strike led by them will be a gift to BorisTres said:
Is this true or are you merely repeating some tripe you read in the Daily Mail?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that the three RMT leaders are Putin apologists and easily identified as such therefore providing a gift to Boris and a nightmare for labourHeathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/telegraph-links-rmt-union-to-putins-russia-following-tube-strike-314472/
Though they may be some MPs who regret opening the doors to going back to see whatever everyone was saying about Russia and Ukraine in 2014.....
Have the dozens of Tory MPs who accepted donations from mysterious Russians apologised for their poor judgement? I wonder if the Daily Mail will run a smear story about that.0 -
We have 5 young foxes playing in the garden. It seems a wheelbarrow full of cut daffodils and bluebells are great fun.MarqueeMark said:It's that time of year in the garden when the young fluff-ball tawny owls have left the nest and spend all night squeaking. And all day snoozing....
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I haven't gone over the top at all.kjh said:
Your wife is right and we all come across people like this. Nothing to do with wokeness and all to do with insecurity as your wife says.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
I do think you have gone over the top re @Heathener this morning. Done the same myself with others in the past so not a criticism, just saying.
My comment wasn't directed at anyone but rather the Woke in general. It was in response to one that was but that's quite a different thing.
It some have responded to take it personally then that says quite a lot about them, in my view.1 -
Put out a football if you want to see great fun!kjh said:
We have 5 young foxes playing in the garden. It seems a wheelbarrow full of cut daffodils and bluebells are great fun.MarqueeMark said:It's that time of year in the garden when the young fluff-ball tawny owls have left the nest and spend all night squeaking. And all day snoozing....
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Advice for those on either extreme of the woke debate.Heathener said:Just one last thought.
There are a lot of throwaway "jokes" made about trans people but as Professor van der Kolk states, 'often people use jokes to hide their own prejudices'.
Perhaps a lot more self-awareness of the fact that you are doing it, little less invective, and some more graciousness and understanding from those on the Right towards those who are different from them might make society a much nicer and kinder place.
It might also help stop the Indignant Left from feeling the need to defend their corner quite so stridently.
Ciao xx
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Jesus the lack of self-awareness from you is staggering. You have posted a really vile post, even criticised by others more of your persuasion.Casino_Royale said:
Your problem is that you make the political personal, because you think the facts only point one way and therefore if someone disagrees with you they must be a deeply unpleasant individual. This then means that you can get personal responses in kind which validate your prejudices but also upset and depress you in turn - because they're not nice.Heathener said:
You're the one being really deeply unpleasant and toxic this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
Have a nice day everyone.
xx
Only you are responsible for your own behaviour and it's up to you whether you want to break the circle or not.
Log off and have a good think about it xx
I know you are annoyed about the Aussie result and the BBC and anyone left ... but go away and take a look at yourself.
If I leave this forum it won't be because you tell me to.0 -
Are you happy for Johnson's cabinet to be stuffed full of MPs who have accepted donations from mysterious Russians?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems you cannot disprove the allegations against the 3 RMT leaders, and it is not just the daily mail reporting on the pro Putin loyalties of these leadersTres said:
Ah the old classic, have you stopped having your photograph taken with Russian backed militias?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe disprove the allegations thenTres said:
Being widely reported doesn't equal true!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is widely reported that the leaders are Putin apologists and a strike led by them will be a gift to BorisTres said:
Is this true or are you merely repeating some tripe you read in the Daily Mail?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that the three RMT leaders are Putin apologists and easily identified as such therefore providing a gift to Boris and a nightmare for labourHeathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/telegraph-links-rmt-union-to-putins-russia-following-tube-strike-314472/
Though they may be some MPs who regret opening the doors to going back to see whatever everyone was saying about Russia and Ukraine in 2014.....
Have the dozens of Tory MPs who accepted donations from mysterious Russians apologised for their poor judgement? I wonder if the Daily Mail will run a smear story about that.3 -
seems contact is enough so you just need to use same towel I assume touch same things etc.moonshine said:
Who knows what she gets up to her in spare time.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
A relative of Mrs J has just got something that sounds suspiciously like Monkey Pox, during a trip to Switzerland. She's getting better now.
It'll be interesting to find out if it was or not, especially as I don't think any cases have been reported in either Turkey or Switzerland...
Interestingly, the lady in question does not seem to fit the rumoured demographic for this outbreak.0 -
Watching Sunday Morning on BBC1, I wish the bloody interviewer would just let Nadim Zahawi speak and make his point and reply to the question.0
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What excuse and what balance? I've long been critical of the BBC news site for its disproportionate coverage of American domestic stories, especially overnight and at weekends. This is the same, except for Australia rather than America. If the story were ignored, there'd be complaints the BBC was Euro-centric for giving the re-election of President Macron more prominence than the Australian election.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, the BBC always has an excuse.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It is a bit OTT but...Casino_Royale said:I see the BBC news website can barely contain its glee over the Australian Labor victory this morning.
Two leading articles, the second of which says politics will be greener, more feminine and more emphatically Australian before calling Morrison a small-T Trump.
And people say this organisation has no bias.
First, news judgements are always a bit off overnight at weekends because the senior staff are at home in bed. Second, Australia is an English-speaking Commonwealth country with which most of us are familiar. Third, this may well be a landmark election. Fourth, news is always relative and not much else has happened. Fifth, I would not completely rule out an Australian editor on the overnight news team.
I'd just like to see more balance from their editorial team.0 -
Boris and the cabinet by their actions against the war criminal Putin speaks for itselfTres said:
Are you happy for Johnson's cabinet to be stuffed full of MPs who have accepted donations from mysterious Russians?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems you cannot disprove the allegations against the 3 RMT leaders, and it is not just the daily mail reporting on the pro Putin loyalties of these leadersTres said:
Ah the old classic, have you stopped having your photograph taken with Russian backed militias?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe disprove the allegations thenTres said:
Being widely reported doesn't equal true!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is widely reported that the leaders are Putin apologists and a strike led by them will be a gift to BorisTres said:
Is this true or are you merely repeating some tripe you read in the Daily Mail?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that the three RMT leaders are Putin apologists and easily identified as such therefore providing a gift to Boris and a nightmare for labourHeathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/telegraph-links-rmt-union-to-putins-russia-following-tube-strike-314472/
Though they may be some MPs who regret opening the doors to going back to see whatever everyone was saying about Russia and Ukraine in 2014.....
Have the dozens of Tory MPs who accepted donations from mysterious Russians apologised for their poor judgement? I wonder if the Daily Mail will run a smear story about that.0 -
My irony meter just exploded. Does anyone know a good repair shop?Casino_Royale said:
Your problem is that you make the political personal, because you think the facts only point one way and therefore if someone disagrees with you they must be a deeply unpleasant individual. This then means that you can get personal responses in kind which validate your prejudices but also upset and depress you in turn - because they're not nice.Heathener said:
You're the one being really deeply unpleasant and toxic this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
Have a nice day everyone.
xx
Only you are responsible for your own behaviour and it's up to you whether you want to break the circle or not.
Log off and have a good think about it xx1 -
You can't dehumanise someone and then get upset when you're called out on it.Casino_Royale said:
I haven't gone over the top at all.kjh said:
Your wife is right and we all come across people like this. Nothing to do with wokeness and all to do with insecurity as your wife says.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
I do think you have gone over the top re @Heathener this morning. Done the same myself with others in the past so not a criticism, just saying.
My comment wasn't directed at anyone but rather the Woke in general. It was in response to one that was but that's quite a different thing.
It some have responded to take it personally then that says quite a lot about them, in my view.
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@OldKingCole
Sorry to hear about your fall OKC, hopefuly you are fit and well soon.1 -
It is a fundamental issue with all the media and the object is to achieve a 'gotcha' rather than listen to the responses to their questionsTaz said:Watching Sunday Morning on BBC1, I wish the bloody interviewer would just let Nadim Zahawi speak and make his point and reply to the question.
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Hectoring is always tiresome. But anti-woke hectoring is common too, and in electoral terms can be just as off-putting. This quote from an Australian Liberal MP may give pause for thought to some Tories here:Andy_JS said:I'm convinced the same people who lecture people on holding the correct Woke attitudes today would have been the most conservative and religious people in, say, Victorian times. Their beliefs change over the generations, but their hectoring and lecturing doesn't.
"Morrisonism is economic populism and culture wars – that was poison for us in the city. We’ve got to return to economic rationalism and social liberalism."
Fundamentally, most people want (a) a decent standard of living and (b) enough social concern that they feel comfortable about their government. We all differ in the details, but if politicians veer off into obsessing about woke or anti-woke attitudes, most of us just switch off. Moreover, I don't think there is anything like a majority for aggressive reactionary attitudes. The overwhelming British attitude today is "live and let live" - applying to minorities, trans people, believers in different religions and anyone else. In the election debates, if Keir says "I want to improve your standard of living" and Boris says "Haha, he can't even definie a woman", Boris isn't going to come out of it well.5 -
Ah witch-hunts for some, jelly and ice cream for others. Never change BigG.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris and the cabinet by their actions against the war criminal Putin speaks for itselfTres said:
Are you happy for Johnson's cabinet to be stuffed full of MPs who have accepted donations from mysterious Russians?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems you cannot disprove the allegations against the 3 RMT leaders, and it is not just the daily mail reporting on the pro Putin loyalties of these leadersTres said:
Ah the old classic, have you stopped having your photograph taken with Russian backed militias?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe disprove the allegations thenTres said:
Being widely reported doesn't equal true!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is widely reported that the leaders are Putin apologists and a strike led by them will be a gift to BorisTres said:
Is this true or are you merely repeating some tripe you read in the Daily Mail?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that the three RMT leaders are Putin apologists and easily identified as such therefore providing a gift to Boris and a nightmare for labourHeathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/telegraph-links-rmt-union-to-putins-russia-following-tube-strike-314472/
Though they may be some MPs who regret opening the doors to going back to see whatever everyone was saying about Russia and Ukraine in 2014.....
Have the dozens of Tory MPs who accepted donations from mysterious Russians apologised for their poor judgement? I wonder if the Daily Mail will run a smear story about that.1 -
This from the man who said, only the other day, that his life philosophy was to never accept blame and never apologize.Dura_Ace said:
Give him a break. The moment he stands down from his vigil the nation's rivers will be choked with toppled statues.Heathener said:
You're the one being really deeply unpleasant and toxic this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
Have a nice day everyone.
xx
Mine is the precise opposite.
I am comfortable with my integrity and honour, and thus myself.
Are you?1 -
Is there anyone stupid enough to give them it though. 6 figure salaries are rarer than rocking horse shit.StillWaters said:
I’m seeing kids a couple of years out of school demanding 6 figure salariesJonathan said:
That is true, there are signs that things are seriously overheating. The market for IT contractors in London is overheating even by its own rather special standards. I was discussing a figure of £350k/pa last week. (Fortunately it was only a discussion). Graduates with a couple of years experience are demanding senior salaries.edmundintokyo said:
If he knew what the stock market was going to do then he wouldn't be working for the Daily Telegraph (or at all).Heathener said:And, second one, is Matthew Lynn's about the inevitability of a stock market crash and recession:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/21/stock-market-crash-has-just-begun/
Looks like a bubble to me.0 -
What's the point of a Union if you get a pay offer 6.5% below the rate of inflation and the leadership just shrugs and says that sounds good?
I wouldn't be renewing my subs in that case.2 -
Woah. I haven't dehumanised anyone and there's nothing to be "called out" on. My comment is an entirely reasonable one and I stand by it.Tres said:
You can't dehumanise someone and then get upset when you're called out on it.Casino_Royale said:
I haven't gone over the top at all.kjh said:
Your wife is right and we all come across people like this. Nothing to do with wokeness and all to do with insecurity as your wife says.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
I do think you have gone over the top re @Heathener this morning. Done the same myself with others in the past so not a criticism, just saying.
My comment wasn't directed at anyone but rather the Woke in general. It was in response to one that was but that's quite a different thing.
It some have responded to take it personally then that says quite a lot about them, in my view.
This is simply the left-wing herd rallying to defend one of their own because they think they've been targeted and have been triggered by the use of the word Woke.1 -
There will be no landslide, unless Johnson can rejuvenate himself and his party and it is a Conservative landslide.HYUFD said:
To face a landslide defeat the Conservatives would need to fall to 30% or less like 1997, currently they are on around 33 to 35%, in part because of the culture wars, which while not enough to win re election, would be enough to avoid a landslide defeatHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
Johnson has control of the electoral timetable now, and whereas Spring 2024 doesn't seem so far away January 2025 does.
In 1997 the Media including the Sun, the Mail and the Express was four square behind Blair. Johnson owns the press today, and they own him.
I am fairly sure that a manifesto promise of a return to capital punishment for traitors, Islamic terrorists and nonces will seal the deal for him. At that point the question is to where outside these shores do I retire?
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However if the Liberals went too far back in favour of economic conservatives and social liberalism, a la Malcolm Turnbull or David Cameron, they would face a surge in the One Nation vote, the UKIP of Australia, in outer suburbs and rural areas and small towns even if they won back upper middle class voters from Independents in wealthy inner city areas. One Nation was already up 2% from 2019 to 5% yesterday on the primary voteNickPalmer said:
Hectoring is always tiresome. But anti-woke hectoring is common too, and in electoral terms can be just as off-putting. This quote from an Australian Liberal MP may give pause for thought to some Tories here:Andy_JS said:I'm convinced the same people who lecture people on holding the correct Woke attitudes today would have been the most conservative and religious people in, say, Victorian times. Their beliefs change over the generations, but their hectoring and lecturing doesn't.
"Morrisonism is economic populism and culture wars – that was poison for us in the city. We’ve got to return to economic rationalism and social liberalism."
Fundamentally, most people want (a) a decent standard of living and (b) enough social concern that they feel comfortable about their government. We all differ in the details, but if politicians veer off into obsessing about woke or anti-woke attitudes, most of us just switch off. Moreover, I don't think there is anything like a majority for aggressive reactionary attitudes. The overwhelming British attitude today is "live and let live" - applying to minorities, trans people, believers in different religions and anyone else. In the election debates, if Keir says "I want to improve your standard of living" and Boris says "Haha, he can't even definie a woman", Boris isn't going to come out of it well.1 -
Hope you feel better soon OKC.1
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Oh, the story shouldn't be ignored but I'd expect the editorial to put both sides of it. And not to give a heavily propagandised take of one side.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What excuse and what balance? I've long been critical of the BBC news site for its disproportionate coverage of American domestic stories, especially overnight and at weekends. This is the same, except for Australia rather than America. If the story were ignored, there'd be complaints the BBC was Euro-centric for giving the re-election of President Macron more prominence than the Australian election.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, the BBC always has an excuse.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It is a bit OTT but...Casino_Royale said:I see the BBC news website can barely contain its glee over the Australian Labor victory this morning.
Two leading articles, the second of which says politics will be greener, more feminine and more emphatically Australian before calling Morrison a small-T Trump.
And people say this organisation has no bias.
First, news judgements are always a bit off overnight at weekends because the senior staff are at home in bed. Second, Australia is an English-speaking Commonwealth country with which most of us are familiar. Third, this may well be a landmark election. Fourth, news is always relative and not much else has happened. Fifth, I would not completely rule out an Australian editor on the overnight news team.
I'd just like to see more balance from their editorial team.0 -
We don't have to, they bring their own! Over years we have collected dozens of big balls, hundreds of golf balls, loads of gloves and shoes, several children's lunch bags and one set of diving goggles.MarqueeMark said:
Put out a football if you want to see great fun!kjh said:
We have 5 young foxes playing in the garden. It seems a wheelbarrow full of cut daffodils and bluebells are great fun.MarqueeMark said:It's that time of year in the garden when the young fluff-ball tawny owls have left the nest and spend all night squeaking. And all day snoozing....
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To be fair in terms of population size and economy size and membership of international bodies like the G7 and UN Security Council, the French election while not as important as the US election is more important than the Australian election in global terms, as is the German election and as is ours.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What excuse and what balance? I've long been critical of the BBC news site for its disproportionate coverage of American domestic stories, especially overnight and at weekends. This is the same, except for Australia rather than America. If the story were ignored, there'd be complaints the BBC was Euro-centric for giving the re-election of President Macron more prominence than the Australian election.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, the BBC always has an excuse.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It is a bit OTT but...Casino_Royale said:I see the BBC news website can barely contain its glee over the Australian Labor victory this morning.
Two leading articles, the second of which says politics will be greener, more feminine and more emphatically Australian before calling Morrison a small-T Trump.
And people say this organisation has no bias.
First, news judgements are always a bit off overnight at weekends because the senior staff are at home in bed. Second, Australia is an English-speaking Commonwealth country with which most of us are familiar. Third, this may well be a landmark election. Fourth, news is always relative and not much else has happened. Fifth, I would not completely rule out an Australian editor on the overnight news team.
I'd just like to see more balance from their editorial team.
It is more ties of culture and language that give the Australian election more prominence in the UK2 -
I am very self aware; it's you who are not. Like @Leon said you started this morning with a spiteful and nasty post that was totally uncalled for and that's your style.Heathener said:
Jesus the lack of self-awareness from you is staggering. You have posted a really vile post, even criticised by others more of your persuasion.Casino_Royale said:
Your problem is that you make the political personal, because you think the facts only point one way and therefore if someone disagrees with you they must be a deeply unpleasant individual. This then means that you can get personal responses in kind which validate your prejudices but also upset and depress you in turn - because they're not nice.Heathener said:
You're the one being really deeply unpleasant and toxic this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
Have a nice day everyone.
xx
Only you are responsible for your own behaviour and it's up to you whether you want to break the circle or not.
Log off and have a good think about it xx
I know you are annoyed about the Aussie result and the BBC and anyone left ... but go away and take a look at yourself.
If I leave this forum it won't be because you tell me to.
The solution for me is simple: you add precisely no value to this forum so I will simply ignore everything you say from this point forth until you sort yourself out.
Good day.0 -
You've got to pick up transfers.HYUFD said:
However if the Liberals went too far back in favour of economic conservatives and social liberalism, a la Malcolm Turnbull or David Cameron, they would face a surge in the One Nation vote, the UKIP of Australia, in outer suburbs and rural areas and small towns even if they won back upper middle class voters from Independents in wealthy inner city areas. One Nation was already up 2% from 2019 to 5% yesterday on the primary voteNickPalmer said:
Hectoring is always tiresome. But anti-woke hectoring is common too, and in electoral terms can be just as off-putting. This quote from an Australian Liberal MP may give pause for thought to some Tories here:Andy_JS said:I'm convinced the same people who lecture people on holding the correct Woke attitudes today would have been the most conservative and religious people in, say, Victorian times. Their beliefs change over the generations, but their hectoring and lecturing doesn't.
"Morrisonism is economic populism and culture wars – that was poison for us in the city. We’ve got to return to economic rationalism and social liberalism."
Fundamentally, most people want (a) a decent standard of living and (b) enough social concern that they feel comfortable about their government. We all differ in the details, but if politicians veer off into obsessing about woke or anti-woke attitudes, most of us just switch off. Moreover, I don't think there is anything like a majority for aggressive reactionary attitudes. The overwhelming British attitude today is "live and let live" - applying to minorities, trans people, believers in different religions and anyone else. In the election debates, if Keir says "I want to improve your standard of living" and Boris says "Haha, he can't even definie a woman", Boris isn't going to come out of it well.
You don't have to here.2 -
Jo Coburn is usually quite good when I catch daily politics show.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is a fundamental issue with all the media and the object is to achieve a 'gotcha' rather than listen to the responses to their questionsTaz said:Watching Sunday Morning on BBC1, I wish the bloody interviewer would just let Nadim Zahawi speak and make his point and reply to the question.
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Yes she can beTaz said:
Jo Coburn is usually quite good when I catch daily politics show.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is a fundamental issue with all the media and the object is to achieve a 'gotcha' rather than listen to the responses to their questionsTaz said:Watching Sunday Morning on BBC1, I wish the bloody interviewer would just let Nadim Zahawi speak and make his point and reply to the question.
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Yes, they make a serious effort where an issue is the subject of intense domestic controversy - Partygate and Beergate, for example. They don't bother if there is a broad national consensus (Ukraine - how much time do they give the Russian view? Trump - how often do you see a pro-Trump Republican interviewed?). I'd prefer them to give both sides all the time, just so we're properly informed, since I think that lack of information leads us into mistakes and anyway, who wants to be ignorant? But many journalists like to have a coherent story, which they see as just presenting one side, interviewing a few people who agree, and leaving it at that.kle4 said:
The BBC has biases. The key is whether it makes a genuine effort toward maintaining impartiality, not that it achieves it perfectly all the time. I think it does.Casino_Royale said:I see the BBC news website can barely contain its glee over the Australian Labor victory this morning.
Two leading articles, the second of which says politics will be greener, more feminine and more emphatically Australian before calling Morrison a small-T Trump.
And people say this organisation has no bias.
Can't speak for this example, but I think they seem to make less effort on foreign affairs. Those I was very surprised to see its report on 'gaffe prone Biden' once.1 -
Morning Taz. I was surprised to read yesterday that on Scotrail , once qualified and past probation period train drivers get 48K and Doctor's once qualified get 40K.Taz said:
A true left leaner would support the RMT standing up for the 2,500 safety critical employees threatened with dismissal and dedicated rail staff who have been offered a wage increase that is effectively a massive pay cut. If there is a strike it is due to management failing to engage. The RMT want a fair solution.Heathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.
Doctors may have advantages later but it seems from that to me at least that train drivers are not badly paid.0 -
Name of first pet ?Andy_Cooke said:Right.
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Like - so, you asked me years ago a question when Eldest Daughter started out and I gave an answer - but it's considered polite to give a clue as to WHAT THE BLOODY QUESTION WAS!!!
Mother' maiden name didn't work
Dream job as a child didn't work
Town of birth didn't work.
GIVE ME A SODDING CLUE YOU MORONS!1 -
I don't think that is right CR. You are coming over as very very angry this morning. Honestly.Casino_Royale said:
Woah. I haven't dehumanised anyone and there's nothing to be "called out" on. My comment is an entirely reasonable one and I stand by it.Tres said:
You can't dehumanise someone and then get upset when you're called out on it.Casino_Royale said:
I haven't gone over the top at all.kjh said:
Your wife is right and we all come across people like this. Nothing to do with wokeness and all to do with insecurity as your wife says.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
I do think you have gone over the top re @Heathener this morning. Done the same myself with others in the past so not a criticism, just saying.
My comment wasn't directed at anyone but rather the Woke in general. It was in response to one that was but that's quite a different thing.
It some have responded to take it personally then that says quite a lot about them, in my view.
This is simply the left-wing herd rallying to defend one of their own because they think they've been targeted and have been triggered by the use of the word Woke.0 -
He was right though the woke idiots are a nasty bunch.Tres said:
You can't dehumanise someone and then get upset when you're called out on it.Casino_Royale said:
I haven't gone over the top at all.kjh said:
Your wife is right and we all come across people like this. Nothing to do with wokeness and all to do with insecurity as your wife says.Casino_Royale said:
I have a primary client at the moment is precisely like this.Leon said:
This is absolutely true and completely accords with my experienceCasino_Royale said:
It's typical of the Woke.Leon said:
Yes you're on the Woke left and I'm on the non-Woke right, but for all your loudly avowed good intentions and self-regarding progressive values, the weird thing is that I am obviously nicer than youHeathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
eg there is no way I would join the board of a morning and make some random, tiny, aimless yet spiteful aside about a poster not even present. Simply wouldn't occur to me. Not in my nature.
Yet it is in yours. Something to ponder, I suggest
They are actually rather nasty and unpleasant (and secretly hate themselves for it) so wear the Wokery as a public cloak to make themselves feel better and communicate what they'd like others to think about them.
Doesn't work, of course - because they know it's vacuous and insincere.
For the purposes of clarity and kindness, this is not aimed at @Heathener - I simply don't know her well enough to say anything serious about her - but yes, the Woke-iest people I know in real life are often the nastiest. Bitchy, resentful, humourless, with a tendency to supercilious preaching and, if they can get away with it, bullying
This is one reason why Wokeness is so corrosive and aggressive and gets such a strong reaction. It is often pressed by the most annoying types: they would have been the hectoring, ultra-conservative prudes in Victorian times
This is also a reason why the Trans-Terf wars are so vicious, they are prosecuted by the Woke on both sides, so they try and bully each other. Ugly
A deeply unpleasant and self-obsessed woman who spends all her time briefing heavily against others behind their backs and creating a toxic environment - she is entirely untrustworthy and absolutely a bully - whilst brandishing her credentials for every national/international day for this and that under the sun all over LinkedIn.
My wife, shrewd as she is, continually points out to me that this means she has deep-seated insecurities and issues - not those who she targets.
I do think you have gone over the top re @Heathener this morning. Done the same myself with others in the past so not a criticism, just saying.
My comment wasn't directed at anyone but rather the Woke in general. It was in response to one that was but that's quite a different thing.
It some have responded to take it personally then that says quite a lot about them, in my view.1 -
Name of first school?another_richard said:
Name of first pet ?Andy_Cooke said:Right.
That's it.
Burn down the Student Loans Company. They're too stupid to exist.
--> Email to me to support Middle Child's continued student finance.
That's fine, no problem.
-> Please log in with email address and password.
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-> "What is your secret answer?"
To WHAT?
Like - so, you asked me years ago a question when Eldest Daughter started out and I gave an answer - but it's considered polite to give a clue as to WHAT THE BLOODY QUESTION WAS!!!
Mother' maiden name didn't work
Dream job as a child didn't work
Town of birth didn't work.
GIVE ME A SODDING CLUE YOU MORONS!0 -
yes a bunch of crooked shysters, take anyone's money, greedy grubby wasters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris and the cabinet by their actions against the war criminal Putin speaks for itselfTres said:
Are you happy for Johnson's cabinet to be stuffed full of MPs who have accepted donations from mysterious Russians?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems you cannot disprove the allegations against the 3 RMT leaders, and it is not just the daily mail reporting on the pro Putin loyalties of these leadersTres said:
Ah the old classic, have you stopped having your photograph taken with Russian backed militias?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe disprove the allegations thenTres said:
Being widely reported doesn't equal true!Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is widely reported that the leaders are Putin apologists and a strike led by them will be a gift to BorisTres said:
Is this true or are you merely repeating some tripe you read in the Daily Mail?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The problem is that the three RMT leaders are Putin apologists and easily identified as such therefore providing a gift to Boris and a nightmare for labourHeathener said:
Yes I totally agree with you about this.Big_G_NorthWales said:Heathener said:
It's really little wonder that you and I dislike each other!Leon said:
the Horror that is WokeHeathener said:The best hope the Conservatives now have is to ride out the storm and hope it has blown through by 2024.
It's probably too late now to save things by ditching the oaf at the top. The more he ramps up the culture wars and whips the Daily Mail into propaganda, the more hardened but smaller their voter base will become. We've seen this all before and it NEVER works.
Prepare for a landslide defeat.
I note that Australia has just booted out the right. I suspect, fairly strongly, that voters are turning left as usually happens during an economic downturn which the Right have failed to stem.
The cost of living crisis is going to do for the Conservatives but the likelihood, or inevitability according to the Telegraph, of recession will really screw them. Hence why I think a landslide defeat is on the cards.
Appealing to culture wars in a time of economic crisis is a well-worn tactic. It might have worked in Germany in the 1930s but recent history suggests it won't now.
The only caution I would make is that a RMT rail strike led by 3 Putin apologists paralysing the country would play into Boris's hands (or whoever is conservative leader) and at the same time Rishi comes to his senses and delivers a fair and sensible package of measures to address some of the worst effects of our current col crisis could well change the narrative
As a Left-leaner the thought of a national rail strike fills me with political dread, for the very reason you suggest.
It could play right into Boris' hands.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/telegraph-links-rmt-union-to-putins-russia-following-tube-strike-314472/
Though they may be some MPs who regret opening the doors to going back to see whatever everyone was saying about Russia and Ukraine in 2014.....
Have the dozens of Tory MPs who accepted donations from mysterious Russians apologised for their poor judgement? I wonder if the Daily Mail will run a smear story about that.0 -
Dear me - a Sunday morning and here we are with a personal spat taking up space.
Very dreary.
Off to write an article about the Boeing 737 Max. There is some Scottish country dancing later on. It's all happening here, you know!1
