Brexit Hawk Liz Looks ready to lead us into the latest Brexit war with EU. Here we go then folks, it’s happening. Big Dog saved, now to win that General Election by getting the big calls right, and send Labour heads into ground like Ostriches at mere mention of Brexit
Look at that bloody jacket. Dynasty revisited.
She's got a touch of the Linda Evans ca 1985 about her
An example of how the market is working right now, the cafe local to work has got a £750 sign-on bonus payable after three months and a £250 referral bounty. A cafe.
Doesn't that show what a shit Brexit has turned our hospitality industry into? I'm surprised anyone eats out in the UK anymore.
Service ihas gone down the pan now so many of the decent foreign staff have left and been replaced by English who have no interest or aptitude whatsoever.
It's odd for a country to have to rely on foreign workers in order to have a decent hospitality industry.
Don't get Rog started on strawberry picking....
Isn't it about time for the yearly wall to wall stories in the guardian that there will be widespread strawberry shortages....
They are busy at the moment promoting the word hepeating as another trait of evil 'cis' males
Jesus. Can’t they just fuck off.
No, the narrative must be boosted, maintained and advanced They had a few women who have suffered this abysmal crime sharing their stories too (the story being this bloke copied what I said once)
An example of how the market is working right now, the cafe local to work has got a £750 sign-on bonus payable after three months and a £250 referral bounty. A cafe.
Doesn't that show what a shit Brexit has turned our hospitality industry into? I'm surprised anyone eats out in the UK anymore.
Service ihas gone down the pan now so many of the decent foreign staff have left and been replaced by English who have no interest or aptitude whatsoever.
It's odd for a country to have to rely on foreign workers in order to have a decent hospitality industry.
Don't get Rog started on strawberry picking....
Isn't it about time for the yearly wall to wall stories in the guardian that there will be widespread strawberry shortages....
They are busy at the moment promoting the word hepeating as another trait of evil 'cis' males
Jesus. Can’t they just fuck off.
No, the narrative must be boosted, maintained and advanced They had a few women who have suffered this abysmal crime sharing their stories too (the story being this bloke copied what I said once)
Let’s hope their is a safe space for them all.
And that they mark themselves safe on Facebook so we all know.
The DUP aren't interested. Their only aim is to run the clock down to fresh elections. They've implied as much. Yet no one seems to have read between the lines.
That is their prerogative. That is how power sharing in the Good Friday Agreement works.
Either make the DUP happy to share power by compromising enough to please them, or Stormont can't sit. That is what the GFA says.
So what is the EU's proposal to make the DUP happy?
Strange idea that the losers of an election should get their manifesto implemented.
Only strange if you think PR systems should operate on the basis of FPTP taken to extremes.
The GFA is based on power sharing and a PR based electoral system that forces coalitions, it is not winner takes all FPTP majoritarianism.
The DUP won the race to be the first party for the unionist community, therefore they won the right to have their manifesto implemented. If you want that to be different, advocate for electoral reform to First Past the Post and the abolition of the Good Friday Agreement.
Yes but. You can't implement the DUP plan for the border and SF's plan for the border. For the simple reason that they are mutually exclusive. Therefore there is no cross-community consent.
And that's why there need to be negotiations to find a solution that both can live with!
Well absolutely! And it absolutely isn't the job of those who are happy to find a solution. It's the job of those who aren't to propose some ideas that the other side can live with. Which was happening slowly. But now isn't. And changes are being unilaterally announced which don't have cross-community support.
Hang on weren't you one of those who voted remain and said it was leavers job to bring remainers on board. Leavers were happy so surely from your argument remainers job to propose a solition brexiters could live with
Truss is certainly due the Sunak solution from biggus doggus She's at the head of the Field as it stands
Look at what Johnson says and does these days and I don't think its Liz he fears.
Its Frost. And so he should.
As Tory leader? Interesting to see how he'd manage that. First up can he legally renounce his peerage? He'd then have to force a by-election with himself as candidate - tricky enough in itself, but compounded by the fact there are few, if any, safe Tory seats left.
An example of how the market is working right now, the cafe local to work has got a £750 sign-on bonus payable after three months and a £250 referral bounty. A cafe.
Doesn't that show what a shit Brexit has turned our hospitality industry into? I'm surprised anyone eats out in the UK anymore.
Service ihas gone down the pan now so many of the decent foreign staff have left and been replaced by English who have no interest or aptitude whatsoever.
It's odd for a country to have to rely on foreign workers in order to have a decent hospitality industry.
Don't get Rog started on strawberry picking....
Isn't it about time for the yearly wall to wall stories in the guardian that there will be widespread strawberry shortages....
They are busy at the moment promoting the word hepeating as another trait of evil 'cis' males
Jesus. Can’t they just fuck off.
Arabella Weir did the running gag about it in The Fast Show in the nineties.
It's quite hard to find so here is the Pass Notes article:
Truss is certainly due the Sunak solution from biggus doggus She's at the head of the Field as it stands
No, that is now Ben Wallace.
Though having survived the local elections and with Labour's poll lead narrowing, Boris is almost certainly secure now until the next general election
Labour poll lead narrowing?
The Lab Lib Grn combo shrinking?
You not comparing a latest Redfield with a newer opinium or Kantor are you?
The current Conservative poll rating in all polls taken since the local elections is 33% to 35% ie still higher than the nadir of Spring 2019 which forced May out and also higher than Major got in 1997, Hague got in 2001 and IDS and Howard polled from 2001 to 2005.
An example of how the market is working right now, the cafe local to work has got a £750 sign-on bonus payable after three months and a £250 referral bounty. A cafe.
Doesn't that show what a shit Brexit has turned our hospitality industry into? I'm surprised anyone eats out in the UK anymore.
Service ihas gone down the pan now so many of the decent foreign staff have left and been replaced by English who have no interest or aptitude whatsoever.
It's odd for a country to have to rely on foreign workers in order to have a decent hospitality industry.
Don't get Rog started on strawberry picking....
Isn't it about time for the yearly wall to wall stories in the guardian that there will be widespread strawberry shortages....
They are busy at the moment promoting the word hepeating as another trait of evil 'cis' males
New name, maybe, but an old concept (1988 cartoon, I think)
The critical comparison is their relationship to the GE2019 vote totals where the Tories have shed about quarter of their support. That means seat losses.
For an alternative take on the NI protocol, see here...
On Brexit, a real cost to business is the fact that if you export from say France to Germany for a project (Or any two countries within the EU), the goods can no longer be zero rated across between the EU countries if you're an ex EU (As we are now) supplier.
We're in the process of sorting this by obtaining Dutch VAT status for our companies - and potentially we'll have to grab other EU nation VAT status depending on stuff only tax specialists fully grasp. I do VAT returns, though intra-EU VAT is a bit of a dark art even for myself.
The upshot is it will probably cost us between 2 and 10 grand a year to administer what was previously a simple intrastat declaration which took about an hour of my time every quarter. The alternative would be our business being completely unviable.
A real cost of Brexit for British business, and not needed when general inflation on metals etc is through the roof.
I believe businesses within Northern Ireland avoid this nonsense as they're part of the EU VAT orbit so can carry on with intrastat
Obviously noone cares about this, but it's a pain for British exporters where you're buying and selling within the EU.
And the reason you didn't have to pay when we were in the eu was because every damn taxpayer in the country was having money taken off them to pay the club fees so your company didn't have to pay the same fees as companies that had to export to non eu countries. Tax payers many of whom saw no benefit whatsoever from us being in the eu apart from spending 10 minutes less in a queue when flying to spain for their two weeks holiday. Your company is not entitled to corporate welfare where you get taxpayers to foot the bill to save you money .
Tldr; fuck business.
Wow call yourself a lefty. You think I shouldn't object when I am taxed so a business can make more profit?
The critical comparison is their relationship to the GE2019 vote totals where the Tories have shed about quarter of their support. That means seat losses.
So what, the polls also show a hung parliament not a Labour majority.
As long as that continues Boris stays, especially as there is little evidence any alternative Tory leader would poll any better v Starmer and most would probably poll worse eg Truss, Patel, Rees Mogg, Raab maybe even Sunak now
An example of how the market is working right now, the cafe local to work has got a £750 sign-on bonus payable after three months and a £250 referral bounty. A cafe.
Doesn't that show what a shit Brexit has turned our hospitality industry into? I'm surprised anyone eats out in the UK anymore.
Service ihas gone down the pan now so many of the decent foreign staff have left and been replaced by English who have no interest or aptitude whatsoever.
It's odd for a country to have to rely on foreign workers in order to have a decent hospitality industry.
Don't get Rog started on strawberry picking....
Isn't it about time for the yearly wall to wall stories in the guardian that there will be widespread strawberry shortages....
They are busy at the moment promoting the word hepeating as another trait of evil 'cis' males
Jesus. Can’t they just fuck off.
No, the narrative must be boosted, maintained and advanced They had a few women who have suffered this abysmal crime sharing their stories too (the story being this bloke copied what I said once)
aren't you somewhat misrepresenting it? it's obviously supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek article - as are all the Pass Notes series, and it doesn't seem to actually contain any examples?
You must surely mean a completely different article that I can't find on the guardian website
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
They may be the subjects of your wet dreams, but they inhabit my night terrors!
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
They may be the subjects of your wet dreams, but they inhabit my night terrors!
Not my dreams! Thinking of betting aspects, as usual.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
I think 'proper conservative' Frost would beat Hunt, Truss, Boris, Sunak and all comers with the tory membership right now.
An example of how the market is working right now, the cafe local to work has got a £750 sign-on bonus payable after three months and a £250 referral bounty. A cafe.
Doesn't that show what a shit Brexit has turned our hospitality industry into? I'm surprised anyone eats out in the UK anymore.
Service ihas gone down the pan now so many of the decent foreign staff have left and been replaced by English who have no interest or aptitude whatsoever.
It's odd for a country to have to rely on foreign workers in order to have a decent hospitality industry.
Don't get Rog started on strawberry picking....
Isn't it about time for the yearly wall to wall stories in the guardian that there will be widespread strawberry shortages....
They are busy at the moment promoting the word hepeating as another trait of evil 'cis' males
Jesus. Can’t they just fuck off.
No, the narrative must be boosted, maintained and advanced They had a few women who have suffered this abysmal crime sharing their stories too (the story being this bloke copied what I said once)
aren't you somewhat misrepresenting it? it's obviously supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek article - as are all the Pass Notes series, and it doesn't seem to actually contain any examples?
You must surely mean a completely different article that I can't find on the guardian website
I might have made up the examples, using their 'where might it be used' as inspiration to be completely frank, also because I only read it once and filled in the gaps in my assaulted mind. It's tongue in cheek but not dismissive. Hence referencing 'any woman who has ever been in a meeting with men' In other words, the typical Guardian dig at men disguised as light entertainment. I don't feel the need to be scrupulously fair to the Guardian as it's the shittest publication widely available,
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
Thinking about the next GE, what do you make of the new factors coming into play this time - I'm thinking of the boundary changes and also - ahem - differentially have more Tory voters been lost to Covid in proportion to other parties supporters do you think, given that most victims were elderly?
The critical comparison is their relationship to the GE2019 vote totals where the Tories have shed about quarter of their support. That means seat losses.
So what, the polls also show a hung parliament not a Labour majority.
As long as that continues Boris stays, especially as there is little evidence any alternative Tory leader would poll any better v Starmer and most would probably poll worse eg Truss, Patel, Rees Mogg, Raab maybe even Sunak now
Starmer could very well be gone by June so you might have to remodel your polling. How does JRM poll against Nandy, Reeves or Streeting?
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
I think 'proper conservative' Frost would beat Hunt, Truss, Boris, Sunak and all comers with the tory membership right now.
The country? dunno.
Frost is a more likely Tory leader than Hunt certainly but he has to be elected as an MP first.
While the Tory membership would certainly vote for Frost over Hunt or Sunak now there is also little evidence yet he polls better than Boris with the public which is the only way Boris will be removed. Plus he needs to become an MP first
Brexit Hawk Liz Looks ready to lead us into the latest Brexit war with EU. Here we go then folks, it’s happening. Big Dog saved, now to win that General Election by getting the big calls right, and send Labour heads into ground like Ostriches at mere mention of Brexit
If Article 16 is already part of the Protocol, why do we need this performative activity in Parliament? Why not just invoke Article 16?
Because finality isn't possible on this or any other 'island of Ireland' question, the trick is to keep the work in progress as just that - a work in progress - for as long as possible. This has, from an English perspective, been a continuing work in progress since 1169. This current stuff sub specie aeternitatis hardly counts as a bump in the road. As Gladstone would happily confirm.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
They may be the subjects of your wet dreams, but they inhabit my night terrors!
Oh - I see what you mean - you were thinking of Truss/Sunak in an entirely different way?
An example of how the market is working right now, the cafe local to work has got a £750 sign-on bonus payable after three months and a £250 referral bounty. A cafe.
Doesn't that show what a shit Brexit has turned our hospitality industry into? I'm surprised anyone eats out in the UK anymore.
Service ihas gone down the pan now so many of the decent foreign staff have left and been replaced by English who have no interest or aptitude whatsoever.
It's odd for a country to have to rely on foreign workers in order to have a decent hospitality industry.
Don't get Rog started on strawberry picking....
Isn't it about time for the yearly wall to wall stories in the guardian that there will be widespread strawberry shortages....
They are busy at the moment promoting the word hepeating as another trait of evil 'cis' males
Jesus. Can’t they just fuck off.
Arabella Weir did the running gag about it in The Fast Show in the nineties.
It's quite hard to find so here is the Pass Notes article:
Brexit Hawk Liz Looks ready to lead us into the latest Brexit war with EU. Here we go then folks, it’s happening. Big Dog saved, now to win that General Election by getting the big calls right, and send Labour heads into ground like Ostriches at mere mention of Brexit
If Article 16 is already part of the Protocol, why do we need this performative activity in Parliament? Why not just invoke Article 16?
Because finality isn't possible on this or any other 'island of Ireland' question, the trick is to keep the work in progress as just that - a work in progress - for as long as possible. This has, from an English perspective, been a continuing work in progress since 1169. This current stuff sub specie aeternitatis hardly counts as a bump in the road. As Gladstone would happily confirm.
“Gladstone .. spent his declining years trying to guess the answer to the Irish Question; unfortunately, whenever he was getting warm, the Irish secretly changed the Question, ...” ― W.C. Sellar, 1066 and All That: A Memorable History of England
[edit] Though it now seems that the GOM's successors in No. 10 have taken on that mission for themselves, of changing the I. Q. without telling anyone.
The critical comparison is their relationship to the GE2019 vote totals where the Tories have shed about quarter of their support. That means seat losses.
So what, the polls also show a hung parliament not a Labour majority.
As long as that continues Boris stays, especially as there is little evidence any alternative Tory leader would poll any better v Starmer and most would probably poll worse eg Truss, Patel, Rees Mogg, Raab maybe even Sunak now
Starmer could very well be gone by June so you might have to remodel your polling. How does JRM poll against Nandy, Reeves or Streeting?
I doubt Starmer will be fined and a win in the Wakefield by election for Labour next month will secure him too until the next general election. Though if he was fined and did go Steeeting would likely be elected to replace him as Labour leader
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
I think 'proper conservative' Frost would beat Hunt, Truss, Boris, Sunak and all comers with the tory membership right now.
The country? dunno.
Frost is a more likely Tory leader than Hunt certainly but he has to be elected as an MP first.
While the Tory membership would certainly vote for Frost over Hunt there is also little evidence yet he polls better than Boris with the public which us the only way Boris will be removed. Plus he needs to become an MP first
Doesn't he need to become an MP first? Why did you miss that out?
Lords have to be cringed and grovelled to. They automastically deserve the best, including the PMship as opposed to the plebeians in the HoC.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
Thinking about the next GE, what do you make of the new factors coming into play this time - I'm thinking of the boundary changes and also - ahem - differentially have more Tory voters been lost to Covid in proportion to other parties supporters do you think, given that most victims were elderly?
The boundary changes might give the Tories a net 10 seats extra but will likely make little difference to the likely hung parliament we will get at the next general election.
An example of how the market is working right now, the cafe local to work has got a £750 sign-on bonus payable after three months and a £250 referral bounty. A cafe.
Doesn't that show what a shit Brexit has turned our hospitality industry into? I'm surprised anyone eats out in the UK anymore.
Service ihas gone down the pan now so many of the decent foreign staff have left and been replaced by English who have no interest or aptitude whatsoever.
It's odd for a country to have to rely on foreign workers in order to have a decent hospitality industry.
Don't get Rog started on strawberry picking....
Isn't it about time for the yearly wall to wall stories in the guardian that there will be widespread strawberry shortages....
They are busy at the moment promoting the word hepeating as another trait of evil 'cis' males
Jesus. Can’t they just fuck off.
Arabella Weir did the running gag about it in The Fast Show in the nineties.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
Brexit Hawk Liz Looks ready to lead us into the latest Brexit war with EU. Here we go then folks, it’s happening. Big Dog saved, now to win that General Election by getting the big calls right, and send Labour heads into ground like Ostriches at mere mention of Brexit
If Article 16 is already part of the Protocol, why do we need this performative activity in Parliament? Why not just invoke Article 16?
Because finality isn't possible on this or any other 'island of Ireland' question, the trick is to keep the work in progress as just that - a work in progress - for as long as possible. This has, from an English perspective, been a continuing work in progress since 1169. This current stuff sub specie aeternitatis hardly counts as a bump in the road. As Gladstone would happily confirm.
“Gladstone .. spent his declining years trying to guess the answer to the Irish Question; unfortunately, whenever he was getting warm, the Irish secretly changed the Question, ...” ― W.C. Sellar, 1066 and All That: A Memorable History of England
[edit] Though it now seems that the GOM's successors in No. 10 have taken on that mission for themselves, of changing the I. Q. without telling anyone.
That is actually a rather good summation of Gladstone's efforts on Ireland, incidentally
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
I think 'proper conservative' Frost would beat Hunt, Truss, Boris, Sunak and all comers with the tory membership right now.
The country? dunno.
Frost is a more likely Tory leader than Hunt certainly but he has to be elected as an MP first.
While the Tory membership would certainly vote for Frost over Hunt there is also little evidence yet he polls better than Boris with the public which us the only way Boris will be removed. Plus he needs to become an MP first
Doesn't he need to become an MP first? Why did you miss that out?
An example of how the market is working right now, the cafe local to work has got a £750 sign-on bonus payable after three months and a £250 referral bounty. A cafe.
Doesn't that show what a shit Brexit has turned our hospitality industry into? I'm surprised anyone eats out in the UK anymore.
Service ihas gone down the pan now so many of the decent foreign staff have left and been replaced by English who have no interest or aptitude whatsoever.
It's odd for a country to have to rely on foreign workers in order to have a decent hospitality industry.
Don't get Rog started on strawberry picking....
Isn't it about time for the yearly wall to wall stories in the guardian that there will be widespread strawberry shortages....
They are busy at the moment promoting the word hepeating as another trait of evil 'cis' males
Jesus. Can’t they just fuck off.
Arabella Weir did the running gag about it in The Fast Show in the nineties.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
I think 'proper conservative' Frost would beat Hunt, Truss, Boris, Sunak and all comers with the tory membership right now.
The country? dunno.
Frost is a more likely Tory leader than Hunt certainly but he has to be elected as an MP first.
While the Tory membership would certainly vote for Frost over Hunt there is also little evidence yet he polls better than Boris with the public which us the only way Boris will be removed. Plus he needs to become an MP first
Doesn't he need to become an MP first? Why did you miss that out?
I didn't
You, HYUFD, make me smile and laugh more than any other poster, I think. Never change.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
An example of how the market is working right now, the cafe local to work has got a £750 sign-on bonus payable after three months and a £250 referral bounty. A cafe.
Doesn't that show what a shit Brexit has turned our hospitality industry into? I'm surprised anyone eats out in the UK anymore.
Service ihas gone down the pan now so many of the decent foreign staff have left and been replaced by English who have no interest or aptitude whatsoever.
It's odd for a country to have to rely on foreign workers in order to have a decent hospitality industry.
Don't get Rog started on strawberry picking....
Isn't it about time for the yearly wall to wall stories in the guardian that there will be widespread strawberry shortages....
They are busy at the moment promoting the word hepeating as another trait of evil 'cis' males
Jesus. Can’t they just fuck off.
Arabella Weir did the running gag about it in The Fast Show in the nineties.
It's quite hard to find so here is the Pass Notes article:
The DUP aren't interested. Their only aim is to run the clock down to fresh elections. They've implied as much. Yet no one seems to have read between the lines.
That is their prerogative. That is how power sharing in the Good Friday Agreement works.
Either make the DUP happy to share power by compromising enough to please them, or Stormont can't sit. That is what the GFA says.
So what is the EU's proposal to make the DUP happy?
They say ‘no compromise’
The DUP swears and shouts… which they rather enjoy… therefore making them happy
Good response by the Labour bloke (how sweet the Lab Shad Foreign Sec is "self isolating" - whatever that means).
Can't have EU checks on cheese and ham sandwiches moving between Lincs and Strabane but the bigger picture is that the UK now seeks to dismantle the NI Protocol which was trumpeted by BoJo as being a fantastic deal.
Brexit Hawk Liz Looks ready to lead us into the latest Brexit war with EU. Here we go then folks, it’s happening. Big Dog saved, now to win that General Election by getting the big calls right, and send Labour heads into ground like Ostriches at mere mention of Brexit
What could possibly go wrong.
I think nothing really. What do you suggest will go wrong?
Oh dear. And there I was thinking you were parodying.
You are ACTUALLY being serious that nothing where Liz Truss is involved could possibly go wrong?
She's not known as The Human Hand Grenade for nothing you know. The last person you want involved in negotiating anything.
On the other hand, if you think lobbing grenades into delicate situations is good for winning Labour red wall votes then you're clearly going to take some persuading.
Calm down, and answer honestly.
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I stopped right there and didn't read anything else.
Any man telling a lady to 'calm down' (dear) isn't worthy of a response.
Then take it from a girly! 🤣
Answer the questions. It will do you good to realise what actually going on.
I guess you confused that individual with your frequent references to your other half as "she"...
The critical comparison is their relationship to the GE2019 vote totals where the Tories have shed about quarter of their support. That means seat losses.
So what, the polls also show a hung parliament not a Labour majority.
As long as that continues Boris stays, especially as there is little evidence any alternative Tory leader would poll any better v Starmer and most would probably poll worse eg Truss, Patel, Rees Mogg, Raab maybe even Sunak now
Starmer could very well be gone by June so you might have to remodel your polling. How does JRM poll against Nandy, Reeves or Streeting?
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
I think 'proper conservative' Frost would beat Hunt, Truss, Boris, Sunak and all comers with the tory membership right now.
The country? dunno.
Frost is a more likely Tory leader than Hunt certainly but he has to be elected as an MP first.
While the Tory membership would certainly vote for Frost over Hunt there is also little evidence yet he polls better than Boris with the public which us the only way Boris will be removed. Plus he needs to become an MP first
Doesn't he need to become an MP first? Why did you miss that out?
By recent convention yes. By law still no as far as I can see. The last Lord as PM was 1902. The rules say the PM must be able to command a majority in the HoC but strictly does not have to be a member themselves.
Practically of course they would have to be. But of course if there was a shining, brilliant member of the Lords who a majority party wanted as PM they could give them the job in the interim until such times as a suitable By election came along.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
I think 'proper conservative' Frost would beat Hunt, Truss, Boris, Sunak and all comers with the tory membership right now.
The country? dunno.
Frost is a more likely Tory leader than Hunt certainly but he has to be elected as an MP first.
While the Tory membership would certainly vote for Frost over Hunt there is also little evidence yet he polls better than Boris with the public which us the only way Boris will be removed. Plus he needs to become an MP first
Doesn't he need to become an MP first? Why did you miss that out?
By recent convention yes. By law still no as far as I can see. The last Lord as PM was 1902. The rules say the PM must be able to command a majority in the HoC but strictly does not have to be a member themselves.
Practically of course they would have to be. But of course if there was a shining, brilliant member of the Lords who a majority party wanted as PM they could give them the job in the interim until such times as a suitable By election came along.
AIUI the Conservative and Labour (and LD) rules require the leader to be an MP.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
No. It is about cross-community involvement (ie power sharing) at the executive level within Northern Ireland. WITHIN NORTHERN IRELAND. The RoI has no input into the govt of NI.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Edit: and if you think it is perfectly legitimate for a foreign power to have input into government of part of the UK then that explains a lot about your posts.
Brexit Hawk Liz Looks ready to lead us into the latest Brexit war with EU. Here we go then folks, it’s happening. Big Dog saved, now to win that General Election by getting the big calls right, and send Labour heads into ground like Ostriches at mere mention of Brexit
What could possibly go wrong.
I think nothing really. What do you suggest will go wrong?
Oh dear. And there I was thinking you were parodying.
You are ACTUALLY being serious that nothing where Liz Truss is involved could possibly go wrong?
She's not known as The Human Hand Grenade for nothing you know. The last person you want involved in negotiating anything.
On the other hand, if you think lobbing grenades into delicate situations is good for winning Labour red wall votes then you're clearly going to take some persuading.
Calm down, and answer honestly.
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I stopped right there and didn't read anything else.
Any man telling a lady to 'calm down' (dear) isn't worthy of a response.
Then take it from a girly! 🤣
Answer the questions. It will do you good to realise what actually going on.
I guess you confused that individual with your frequent references to your other half as "she"...
“She” is thankfully talking to me again today, after I ill advisedly consoled her last night with “but Tottenham are the much stronger team anyway right now.”
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
I think 'proper conservative' Frost would beat Hunt, Truss, Boris, Sunak and all comers with the tory membership right now.
The country? dunno.
Frost is a more likely Tory leader than Hunt certainly but he has to be elected as an MP first.
While the Tory membership would certainly vote for Frost over Hunt there is also little evidence yet he polls better than Boris with the public which us the only way Boris will be removed. Plus he needs to become an MP first
Doesn't he need to become an MP first? Why did you miss that out?
By recent convention yes. By law still no as far as I can see. The last Lord as PM was 1902. The rules say the PM must be able to command a majority in the HoC but strictly does not have to be a member themselves.
Practically of course they would have to be. But of course if there was a shining, brilliant member of the Lords who a majority party wanted as PM they could give them the job in the interim until such times as a suitable By election came along.
iirc baldwin got the job over Lord Curzon because he was in the commons.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
No. It is about cross-community involvement (ie power sharing) at the executive level within Northern Ireland. WITHIN NORTHERN IRELAND. The RoI has no input into the govt of NI.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Yes but Sinn Fein at the executive level want an open border with the Republic, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into NI achieves that for Sinn Fein within Northern Ireland.
The DUP want an open border with GB, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into GB achieves that for the DUP within Northern Ireland.
So win/win. Allow NI to have as legal whatever is legal in the EU or Great Britain thus keeping Sinn Fein and DUP on board.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
No. It is about cross-community involvement (ie power sharing) at the executive level within Northern Ireland. WITHIN NORTHERN IRELAND. The RoI has no input into the govt of NI.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Yes but Sinn Fein at the executive level want an open border with the Republic, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into NI achieves that for Sinn Fein within Northern Ireland.
The DUP want an open border with GB, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into GB achieves that for the DUP within Northern Ireland.
So win/win. Allow NI to have as legal whatever is legal in the EU or Great Britain thus keeping Sinn Fein and DUP on board.
Mate if you thought that power sharing meant that the RoI was part of the NI govt then I'm not sure why we are having this discussion. Away to ConHome for you.
As to your point about what Sinn Fein wants that is beside the point.
NI is currently has (and I hope continues to have) the best of both worlds by straddling both the EU and the UK. Was there as study which showed that they have outperformed other parts of the UK perhaps as a result?
We shall see what legislation Truss puts forward (she did say she wants to determine this via negotiation) but the overarching point is that the Protocol was lauded by the same government that now seeks to dismantle elements of it.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
I think 'proper conservative' Frost would beat Hunt, Truss, Boris, Sunak and all comers with the tory membership right now.
The country? dunno.
Frost is a more likely Tory leader than Hunt certainly but he has to be elected as an MP first.
While the Tory membership would certainly vote for Frost over Hunt there is also little evidence yet he polls better than Boris with the public which us the only way Boris will be removed. Plus he needs to become an MP first
Doesn't he need to become an MP first? Why did you miss that out?
By recent convention yes. By law still no as far as I can see. The last Lord as PM was 1902. The rules say the PM must be able to command a majority in the HoC but strictly does not have to be a member themselves.
Practically of course they would have to be. But of course if there was a shining, brilliant member of the Lords who a majority party wanted as PM they could give them the job in the interim until such times as a suitable By election came along.
AIUI the Conservative and Labour (and LD) rules require the leader to be an MP.
Although again the PM does not have to be the leader of the majority party. In practice of course yes.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
No. It is about cross-community involvement (ie power sharing) at the executive level within Northern Ireland. WITHIN NORTHERN IRELAND. The RoI has no input into the govt of NI.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Yes but Sinn Fein at the executive level want an open border with the Republic, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into NI achieves that for Sinn Fein within Northern Ireland.
The DUP want an open border with GB, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into GB achieves that for the DUP within Northern Ireland.
So win/win. Allow NI to have as legal whatever is legal in the EU or Great Britain thus keeping Sinn Fein and DUP on board.
Mate if you thought that power sharing meant that the RoI was part of the NI govt then I'm not sure why we are having this discussion. Away to ConHome for you.
As to your point about what Sinn Fein wants that is beside the point.
NI is currently has (and I hope continues to have) the best of both worlds by straddling both the EU and the UK. Was there as study which showed that they have outperformed other parts of the UK perhaps as a result?
We shall see what legislation Truss puts forward (she did say she wants to determine this via negotiation) but the overarching point is that the Protocol was lauded by the same government that now seeks to dismantle elements of it.
What's wrong with dismantling elements of it after introducing it?
I believe in iteration and evolution. You introduce something, see what works, drop what doesn't, change what needs changing, but keep what is working.
Do you object to that? Should we have ossification so that once something is introduced it is sclerotically kept forever?
Besides as @MaxPB has repeatedly pointed out the scheduling of this was always to deal with the Irish issue first, get Brexit done, get a trade deal, then revisit the Irish issue post trade deal. We're at the final stage of that process now.
Until the 1926 Re-election of Ministers Act, any MP appointed to a ministerial position at any time other than a general election had to call a by-election to confirm their new position.
DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson says Truss's plan to overwrite parts of the NI protocol is not yet enough to persuade him back into power-sharing at Stormont.
The gov shat the bed, signed the Protocol deal because it didn't care about Northern Ireland, lost the trust of everyone in NI and has now locked itself in box with people in self destruct mode who are running rings around it. https://twitter.com/Saraita101/status/1526506622289338369
R4, Johnny Diamond speaking veery sloowly and simply interviewing Ukranian and Russian spokesmen whose English is absolutely fluent. Why? Sounds stupid.
DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson says Truss's plan to overwrite parts of the NI protocol is not yet enough to persuade him back into power-sharing at Stormont.
The gov shat the bed, signed the Protocol deal because it didn't care about Northern Ireland, lost the trust of everyone in NI and has now locked itself in box with people in self destruct mode who are running rings around it. https://twitter.com/Saraita101/status/1526506622289338369
DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson says Truss's plan to overwrite parts of the NI protocol is not yet enough to persuade him back into power-sharing at Stormont.
The gov shat the bed, signed the Protocol deal because it didn't care about Northern Ireland, lost the trust of everyone in NI and has now locked itself in box with people in self destruct mode who are running rings around it. https://twitter.com/Saraita101/status/1526506622289338369
Jeffrey Donaldson is entirely sensible there. The plan needs to be put into action first.
Even if the legislation proposed is perfect, the DUP would be wise to remain blocking power-sharing until it receives Royal Assent - so if the Lords plays silly buggers over the legislation then it is the Lords blocking power-sharing being resumed.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
No. It is about cross-community involvement (ie power sharing) at the executive level within Northern Ireland. WITHIN NORTHERN IRELAND. The RoI has no input into the govt of NI.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Yes but Sinn Fein at the executive level want an open border with the Republic, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into NI achieves that for Sinn Fein within Northern Ireland.
The DUP want an open border with GB, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into GB achieves that for the DUP within Northern Ireland.
So win/win. Allow NI to have as legal whatever is legal in the EU or Great Britain thus keeping Sinn Fein and DUP on board.
Mate if you thought that power sharing meant that the RoI was part of the NI govt then I'm not sure why we are having this discussion. Away to ConHome for you.
As to your point about what Sinn Fein wants that is beside the point.
NI is currently has (and I hope continues to have) the best of both worlds by straddling both the EU and the UK. Was there as study which showed that they have outperformed other parts of the UK perhaps as a result?
We shall see what legislation Truss puts forward (she did say she wants to determine this via negotiation) but the overarching point is that the Protocol was lauded by the same government that now seeks to dismantle elements of it.
What's wrong with dismantling elements of it after introducing it?
I believe in iteration and evolution. You introduce something, see what works, drop what doesn't, change what needs changing, but keep what is working.
Do you object to that? Should we have ossification so that once something is introduced it is sclerotically kept forever?
Besides as @MaxPB has repeatedly pointed out the scheduling of this was always to deal with the Irish issue first, get Brexit done, get a trade deal, then revisit the Irish issue post trade deal. We're at the final stage of that process now.
The point was that it was perfectly obvious (a feature, not a bug) that the NI Protocol would introduce intra-UK checks on ham and cheese sandwiches. If something is not working as intended then of course change it, who wouldn't. But the NI Protocol was/is working exactly as intended.
And scheduling is irrelevant save for the fact that it is another misstep from the government that you appear to continue to have so much faith in.
Talk about fool some of the people all of the time.
R4, Johnny Diamond speaking veery sloowly and simply interviewing Ukranian and Russian spokesmen whose English is absolutely fluent. Why? Sounds stupid.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
No. It is about cross-community involvement (ie power sharing) at the executive level within Northern Ireland. WITHIN NORTHERN IRELAND. The RoI has no input into the govt of NI.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Yes but Sinn Fein at the executive level want an open border with the Republic, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into NI achieves that for Sinn Fein within Northern Ireland.
The DUP want an open border with GB, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into GB achieves that for the DUP within Northern Ireland.
So win/win. Allow NI to have as legal whatever is legal in the EU or Great Britain thus keeping Sinn Fein and DUP on board.
Mate if you thought that power sharing meant that the RoI was part of the NI govt then I'm not sure why we are having this discussion. Away to ConHome for you.
As to your point about what Sinn Fein wants that is beside the point.
NI is currently has (and I hope continues to have) the best of both worlds by straddling both the EU and the UK. Was there as study which showed that they have outperformed other parts of the UK perhaps as a result?
We shall see what legislation Truss puts forward (she did say she wants to determine this via negotiation) but the overarching point is that the Protocol was lauded by the same government that now seeks to dismantle elements of it.
What's wrong with dismantling elements of it after introducing it?
I believe in iteration and evolution. You introduce something, see what works, drop what doesn't, change what needs changing, but keep what is working.
Do you object to that? Should we have ossification so that once something is introduced it is sclerotically kept forever?
Besides as @MaxPB has repeatedly pointed out the scheduling of this was always to deal with the Irish issue first, get Brexit done, get a trade deal, then revisit the Irish issue post trade deal. We're at the final stage of that process now.
The point was that it was perfectly obvious (a feature, not a bug) that the NI Protocol would introduce intra-UK checks on ham and cheese sandwiches. If something is not working as intended then of course change it, who wouldn't. But the NI Protocol was/is working exactly as intended.
And scheduling is irrelevant save for the fact that it is another misstep from the government that you appear to continue to have so much faith in.
Talk about fool some of the people all of the time.
The scheduling was a fait accompli a couple of years before the current government took office - and, indeed, agreeing to it was one of the biggest missteps by the previous government. That being in place is why the current government really had no option but to sign the TCA ASAP and then get on with fixing May's fuck up.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
No. It is about cross-community involvement (ie power sharing) at the executive level within Northern Ireland. WITHIN NORTHERN IRELAND. The RoI has no input into the govt of NI.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Yes but Sinn Fein at the executive level want an open border with the Republic, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into NI achieves that for Sinn Fein within Northern Ireland.
The DUP want an open border with GB, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into GB achieves that for the DUP within Northern Ireland.
So win/win. Allow NI to have as legal whatever is legal in the EU or Great Britain thus keeping Sinn Fein and DUP on board.
Mate if you thought that power sharing meant that the RoI was part of the NI govt then I'm not sure why we are having this discussion. Away to ConHome for you.
As to your point about what Sinn Fein wants that is beside the point.
NI is currently has (and I hope continues to have) the best of both worlds by straddling both the EU and the UK. Was there as study which showed that they have outperformed other parts of the UK perhaps as a result?
We shall see what legislation Truss puts forward (she did say she wants to determine this via negotiation) but the overarching point is that the Protocol was lauded by the same government that now seeks to dismantle elements of it.
What's wrong with dismantling elements of it after introducing it?
I believe in iteration and evolution. You introduce something, see what works, drop what doesn't, change what needs changing, but keep what is working.
Do you object to that? Should we have ossification so that once something is introduced it is sclerotically kept forever?
Besides as @MaxPB has repeatedly pointed out the scheduling of this was always to deal with the Irish issue first, get Brexit done, get a trade deal, then revisit the Irish issue post trade deal. We're at the final stage of that process now.
The point was that it was perfectly obvious (a feature, not a bug) that the NI Protocol would introduce intra-UK checks on ham and cheese sandwiches. If something is not working as intended then of course change it, who wouldn't. But the NI Protocol was/is working exactly as intended.
And scheduling is irrelevant save for the fact that it is another misstep from the government that you appear to continue to have so much faith in.
Talk about fool some of the people all of the time.
I have no faith in the government, I quit the party, as did Max and others I agree with on this subject incidentally.
If the EU had interpreted the Protocol flexibly there'd be no reason for sandwiches to be checked since there was supposed to be a risk assessment on what needed checking and there'd be no reason for sandwiches to be part of the risk that needs checking.
Scheduling is entirely relevant. Brexit is done, the TCA is agreed (including arbitration) so its entirely appropriate to evolve the Protocol onto its next stage now.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
No. It is about cross-community involvement (ie power sharing) at the executive level within Northern Ireland. WITHIN NORTHERN IRELAND. The RoI has no input into the govt of NI.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Yes but Sinn Fein at the executive level want an open border with the Republic, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into NI achieves that for Sinn Fein within Northern Ireland.
The DUP want an open border with GB, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into GB achieves that for the DUP within Northern Ireland.
So win/win. Allow NI to have as legal whatever is legal in the EU or Great Britain thus keeping Sinn Fein and DUP on board.
Mate if you thought that power sharing meant that the RoI was part of the NI govt then I'm not sure why we are having this discussion. Away to ConHome for you.
As to your point about what Sinn Fein wants that is beside the point.
NI is currently has (and I hope continues to have) the best of both worlds by straddling both the EU and the UK. Was there as study which showed that they have outperformed other parts of the UK perhaps as a result?
We shall see what legislation Truss puts forward (she did say she wants to determine this via negotiation) but the overarching point is that the Protocol was lauded by the same government that now seeks to dismantle elements of it.
What's wrong with dismantling elements of it after introducing it?
I believe in iteration and evolution. You introduce something, see what works, drop what doesn't, change what needs changing, but keep what is working.
Do you object to that? Should we have ossification so that once something is introduced it is sclerotically kept forever?
Besides as @MaxPB has repeatedly pointed out the scheduling of this was always to deal with the Irish issue first, get Brexit done, get a trade deal, then revisit the Irish issue post trade deal. We're at the final stage of that process now.
The point was that it was perfectly obvious (a feature, not a bug) that the NI Protocol would introduce intra-UK checks on ham and cheese sandwiches. If something is not working as intended then of course change it, who wouldn't. But the NI Protocol was/is working exactly as intended.
And scheduling is irrelevant save for the fact that it is another misstep from the government that you appear to continue to have so much faith in.
Talk about fool some of the people all of the time.
The scheduling was a fait accompli a couple of years before the current government took office - and, indeed, agreeing to it was one of the biggest missteps by the previous government. That being in place is why the current government really had no option but to sign the TCA ASAP and then get on with fixing May's fuck up.
They still came up with the NI Protocol, sold it as a fantastic deal, saw it implemented exactly as per design, and subsequently are now attempting to dismantle it.
Until the 1926 Re-election of Ministers Act, any MP appointed to a ministerial position at any time other than a general election had to call a by-election to confirm their new position.
That would stop pointless reshuffles.
I prefer my solution. Cabinet level ministers have to have 3 years experience as ministers, shadow ministers or on the select committee of their relevant departments.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
No. It is about cross-community involvement (ie power sharing) at the executive level within Northern Ireland. WITHIN NORTHERN IRELAND. The RoI has no input into the govt of NI.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Yes but Sinn Fein at the executive level want an open border with the Republic, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into NI achieves that for Sinn Fein within Northern Ireland.
The DUP want an open border with GB, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into GB achieves that for the DUP within Northern Ireland.
So win/win. Allow NI to have as legal whatever is legal in the EU or Great Britain thus keeping Sinn Fein and DUP on board.
Mate if you thought that power sharing meant that the RoI was part of the NI govt then I'm not sure why we are having this discussion. Away to ConHome for you.
As to your point about what Sinn Fein wants that is beside the point.
NI is currently has (and I hope continues to have) the best of both worlds by straddling both the EU and the UK. Was there as study which showed that they have outperformed other parts of the UK perhaps as a result?
We shall see what legislation Truss puts forward (she did say she wants to determine this via negotiation) but the overarching point is that the Protocol was lauded by the same government that now seeks to dismantle elements of it.
What's wrong with dismantling elements of it after introducing it?
I believe in iteration and evolution. You introduce something, see what works, drop what doesn't, change what needs changing, but keep what is working.
Do you object to that? Should we have ossification so that once something is introduced it is sclerotically kept forever?
Besides as @MaxPB has repeatedly pointed out the scheduling of this was always to deal with the Irish issue first, get Brexit done, get a trade deal, then revisit the Irish issue post trade deal. We're at the final stage of that process now.
The point was that it was perfectly obvious (a feature, not a bug) that the NI Protocol would introduce intra-UK checks on ham and cheese sandwiches. If something is not working as intended then of course change it, who wouldn't. But the NI Protocol was/is working exactly as intended.
And scheduling is irrelevant save for the fact that it is another misstep from the government that you appear to continue to have so much faith in.
Talk about fool some of the people all of the time.
I have no faith in the government, I quit the party, as did Max and others I agree with on this subject incidentally.
If the EU had interpreted the Protocol flexibly there'd be no reason for sandwiches to be checked since there was supposed to be a risk assessment on what needed checking and there'd be no reason for sandwiches to be part of the risk that needs checking.
Scheduling is entirely relevant. Brexit is done, the TCA is agreed (including arbitration) so its entirely appropriate to evolve the Protocol onto its next stage now.
It is irrelevant because it didn't make them sign a deal which worked as per design and which they now want to change.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
No. It is about cross-community involvement (ie power sharing) at the executive level within Northern Ireland. WITHIN NORTHERN IRELAND. The RoI has no input into the govt of NI.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Yes but Sinn Fein at the executive level want an open border with the Republic, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into NI achieves that for Sinn Fein within Northern Ireland.
The DUP want an open border with GB, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into GB achieves that for the DUP within Northern Ireland.
So win/win. Allow NI to have as legal whatever is legal in the EU or Great Britain thus keeping Sinn Fein and DUP on board.
Mate if you thought that power sharing meant that the RoI was part of the NI govt then I'm not sure why we are having this discussion. Away to ConHome for you.
As to your point about what Sinn Fein wants that is beside the point.
NI is currently has (and I hope continues to have) the best of both worlds by straddling both the EU and the UK. Was there as study which showed that they have outperformed other parts of the UK perhaps as a result?
We shall see what legislation Truss puts forward (she did say she wants to determine this via negotiation) but the overarching point is that the Protocol was lauded by the same government that now seeks to dismantle elements of it.
What's wrong with dismantling elements of it after introducing it?
I believe in iteration and evolution. You introduce something, see what works, drop what doesn't, change what needs changing, but keep what is working.
Do you object to that? Should we have ossification so that once something is introduced it is sclerotically kept forever?
Besides as @MaxPB has repeatedly pointed out the scheduling of this was always to deal with the Irish issue first, get Brexit done, get a trade deal, then revisit the Irish issue post trade deal. We're at the final stage of that process now.
The point was that it was perfectly obvious (a feature, not a bug) that the NI Protocol would introduce intra-UK checks on ham and cheese sandwiches. If something is not working as intended then of course change it, who wouldn't. But the NI Protocol was/is working exactly as intended.
And scheduling is irrelevant save for the fact that it is another misstep from the government that you appear to continue to have so much faith in.
Talk about fool some of the people all of the time.
The scheduling was a fait accompli a couple of years before the current government took office - and, indeed, agreeing to it was one of the biggest missteps by the previous government. That being in place is why the current government really had no option but to sign the TCA ASAP and then get on with fixing May's fuck up.
They still came up with the NI Protocol, sold it as a fantastic deal, saw it implemented exactly as per design, and subsequently are now attempting to dismantle it.
But you keep cheering.
Nope, May came up with the NI Protocol, which was a fait accompli when the current government took office.
I'm not cheering - just pointing out that HMG is at last trying to do something to hold the EU to its promises.
Businesses in NI to be able to choose to follow EU or UK regulations.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
Insane. For at least two very obvious reasons: enforcement, and what happens if the rules fiverge? NI loses its current advantages which are the only thing keeping it in the UK.
How is enforcement as issue? You enforce the lowest common denominator.
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
The EU would be setting law in Northern Ireland then?
Ireland would partially be doing so yes, that's the entire frigging point of power sharing and the Good Friday Agreement.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
Er, power sharing is power over part of the UK shared between two UK political parties, not between the UK and a foreign entity.
Oh really?
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
No. It is about cross-community involvement (ie power sharing) at the executive level within Northern Ireland. WITHIN NORTHERN IRELAND. The RoI has no input into the govt of NI.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Yes but Sinn Fein at the executive level want an open border with the Republic, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into NI achieves that for Sinn Fein within Northern Ireland.
The DUP want an open border with GB, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into GB achieves that for the DUP within Northern Ireland.
So win/win. Allow NI to have as legal whatever is legal in the EU or Great Britain thus keeping Sinn Fein and DUP on board.
Mate if you thought that power sharing meant that the RoI was part of the NI govt then I'm not sure why we are having this discussion. Away to ConHome for you.
As to your point about what Sinn Fein wants that is beside the point.
NI is currently has (and I hope continues to have) the best of both worlds by straddling both the EU and the UK. Was there as study which showed that they have outperformed other parts of the UK perhaps as a result?
We shall see what legislation Truss puts forward (she did say she wants to determine this via negotiation) but the overarching point is that the Protocol was lauded by the same government that now seeks to dismantle elements of it.
What's wrong with dismantling elements of it after introducing it?
I believe in iteration and evolution. You introduce something, see what works, drop what doesn't, change what needs changing, but keep what is working.
Do you object to that? Should we have ossification so that once something is introduced it is sclerotically kept forever?
Besides as @MaxPB has repeatedly pointed out the scheduling of this was always to deal with the Irish issue first, get Brexit done, get a trade deal, then revisit the Irish issue post trade deal. We're at the final stage of that process now.
The point was that it was perfectly obvious (a feature, not a bug) that the NI Protocol would introduce intra-UK checks on ham and cheese sandwiches. If something is not working as intended then of course change it, who wouldn't. But the NI Protocol was/is working exactly as intended.
And scheduling is irrelevant save for the fact that it is another misstep from the government that you appear to continue to have so much faith in.
Talk about fool some of the people all of the time.
The scheduling was a fait accompli a couple of years before the current government took office - and, indeed, agreeing to it was one of the biggest missteps by the previous government. That being in place is why the current government really had no option but to sign the TCA ASAP and then get on with fixing May's fuck up.
They still came up with the NI Protocol, sold it as a fantastic deal, saw it implemented exactly as per design, and subsequently are now attempting to dismantle it.
But you keep cheering.
Nope, May came up with the NI Protocol, which was a fait accompli when the current government took office.
I'm not cheering - just pointing out that HMG is at last trying to do something to hold the EU to its promises.
Of course it wasn't a fait accompli. Boris could have jettisoned it when he took office. It was signed finally in Dec 2020.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
I think 'proper conservative' Frost would beat Hunt, Truss, Boris, Sunak and all comers with the tory membership right now.
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
Perhaps if Big Dog does get put down we should consider the emergence of a PM/Chancellor dream team. I'm thinking Hunt/Javid. Or, dare I say it, Truss/Sunak? Sunak rates her, I think.
Hunt would never win the membership vote, Truss might but most polls show the Tories doing worse under her than under Boris
I think 'proper conservative' Frost would beat Hunt, Truss, Boris, Sunak and all comers with the tory membership right now.
The country? dunno.
Frost is a more likely Tory leader than Hunt certainly but he has to be elected as an MP first.
While the Tory membership would certainly vote for Frost over Hunt there is also little evidence yet he polls better than Boris with the public which us the only way Boris will be removed. Plus he needs to become an MP first
Doesn't he need to become an MP first? Why did you miss that out?
By recent convention yes. By law still no as far as I can see. The last Lord as PM was 1902. The rules say the PM must be able to command a majority in the HoC but strictly does not have to be a member themselves.
Practically of course they would have to be. But of course if there was a shining, brilliant member of the Lords who a majority party wanted as PM they could give them the job in the interim until such times as a suitable By election came along.
AIUI the Conservative and Labour (and LD) rules require the leader to be an MP.
Indeed. That was all that prevented Jo Swinson being our next prime minister, wasn't it?
An example of how the market is working right now, the cafe local to work has got a £750 sign-on bonus payable after three months and a £250 referral bounty. A cafe.
Doesn't that show what a shit Brexit has turned our hospitality industry into? I'm surprised anyone eats out in the UK anymore.
Service ihas gone down the pan now so many of the decent foreign staff have left and been replaced by English who have no interest or aptitude whatsoever.
You just can't get the servants, these days.
My own people can't do grovelling servility like the foreigners. It's in their blood and everything. The imperialism of supper out.
Foreigners don't do servility. That not what the hospitality business is all an about. In a half decent restaurant if a member of staff had a spat with a customer it would be the customer who would be ejected. You're very out of date. I'm surprised how little respect you have for those in the industry that you even use words like servility. Nearly all of us work for our customers but that doesn't make us servile
Until the 1926 Re-election of Ministers Act, any MP appointed to a ministerial position at any time other than a general election had to call a by-election to confirm their new position.
That would stop pointless reshuffles.
I prefer my solution. Cabinet level ministers have to have 3 years experience as ministers, shadow ministers or on the select committee of their relevant departments.
Except being a shadow minister is not really much preparation for being a minister, overseeing and grappling with a large bureaucracy answering to you. There isn't really equivalent experience for the role. People might understand the brief but be a crap minister, or know little but be quite a good minister.
I don't think we the public have much way of telling who would or would not make a good minister. Not least as we would judge them differently to how their party would, how Whitehall would, and so on.
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Truss could be the UK's third female Prime Minister before Labour elect a first female leader.
The Lab Lib Grn combo shrinking?
You not comparing a latest Redfield with a newer opinium or Kantor are you?
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/may/16/hepeating-manterrupting-mansplaining-men-repeating-women-taking-credit
I don't think it's going to catch on - "he hepeated me" is a bit of tongue-twister and not really self-explanatory like "mansplaining"
Brexit One. You are weapons loose and cleared hot.
That is therefore more than enough for Boris to survive
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#Graphical_summary
As long as that continues Boris stays, especially as there is little evidence any alternative Tory leader would poll any better v Starmer and most would probably poll worse eg Truss, Patel, Rees Mogg, Raab maybe even Sunak now
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/may/16/hepeating-manterrupting-mansplaining-men-repeating-women-taking-credit
aren't you somewhat misrepresenting it? it's obviously supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek article - as are all the Pass Notes series, and it doesn't seem to actually contain any examples?
You must surely mean a completely different article that I can't find on the guardian website
The country? dunno.
It's tongue in cheek but not dismissive. Hence referencing 'any woman who has ever been in a meeting with men'
In other words, the typical Guardian dig at men disguised as light entertainment.
I don't feel the need to be scrupulously fair to the Guardian as it's the shittest publication widely available,
While the Tory membership would certainly vote for Frost over Hunt or Sunak now there is also little evidence yet he polls better than Boris with the public which is the only way Boris will be removed. Plus he needs to become an MP first
They must use the term 'theypeated' in order to continue working in academia.
Think I might start a twitter storm.
Exactly what I suggested five years ago. Common sense solution. 👍
Well done Truss.
“Gladstone .. spent his declining years trying to guess the answer to the Irish Question; unfortunately, whenever he was getting warm, the Irish secretly changed the Question, ...”
― W.C. Sellar, 1066 and All That: A Memorable History of England
[edit] Though it now seems that the GOM's successors in No. 10 have taken on that mission for themselves, of changing the I. Q. without telling anyone.
Covid I also doubt made much difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
Who cares if the rules diverge? NI gains an even bigger advantage then if they do. Anything legal in the EU but not the UK would be legal in NI, and anything legal in the UK but not the EU would be legal in NI too, so NI would get the best of both worlds. Good for them.
They'd be able under my proposal to legalise something currently illegal in the UK, but not the other way around. Anything legal in either the Republic or the United Kingdom would be legal in NI as part of them being open to both markets.
If you want to gain a seat in a By Election dont have either SKS or Jezza as your leader surely
The DUP swears and shouts… which they rather enjoy… therefore making them happy
Your move, citizens of EU.
Can't have EU checks on cheese and ham sandwiches moving between Lincs and Strabane but the bigger picture is that the UK now seeks to dismantle the NI Protocol which was trumpeted by BoJo as being a fantastic deal.
Nandy 1st preference
All other options NOTA
Ireland was a signatory to the GFA and is involved in power sharing.
Practically of course they would have to be. But of course if there was a shining, brilliant member of the Lords who a
majority party wanted as PM they could give them the job in the interim until such times as a suitable By election came along.
Trying not to be rude here, Bart.
Edit: and if you think it is perfectly legitimate for a foreign power to have input into government of part of the UK then that explains a lot about your posts.
The DUP want an open border with GB, so an agreement to allow whatever is legal into GB achieves that for the DUP within Northern Ireland.
So win/win. Allow NI to have as legal whatever is legal in the EU or Great Britain thus keeping Sinn Fein and DUP on board.
As to your point about what Sinn Fein wants that is beside the point.
NI is currently has (and I hope continues to have) the best of both worlds by straddling both the EU and the UK. Was there as study which showed that they have outperformed other parts of the UK perhaps as a result?
We shall see what legislation Truss puts forward (she did say she wants to determine this via negotiation) but the overarching point is that the Protocol was lauded by the same government that now seeks to dismantle elements of it.
I believe in iteration and evolution. You introduce something, see what works, drop what doesn't, change what needs changing, but keep what is working.
Do you object to that? Should we have ossification so that once something is introduced it is sclerotically kept forever?
Besides as @MaxPB has repeatedly pointed out the scheduling of this was always to deal with the Irish issue first, get Brexit done, get a trade deal, then revisit the Irish issue post trade deal. We're at the final stage of that process now.
Until the 1926 Re-election of Ministers Act, any MP appointed to a ministerial position at any time other than a general election had to call a by-election to confirm their new position.
That would stop pointless reshuffles.
"The words today are a good start but it is actions that speak louder than words".
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1526536747139604482
The gov shat the bed, signed the Protocol deal because it didn't care about Northern Ireland, lost the trust of everyone in NI and has now locked itself in box with people in self destruct mode who are running rings around it.
https://twitter.com/Saraita101/status/1526506622289338369
Even if the legislation proposed is perfect, the DUP would be wise to remain blocking power-sharing until it receives Royal Assent - so if the Lords plays silly buggers over the legislation then it is the Lords blocking power-sharing being resumed.
And scheduling is irrelevant save for the fact that it is another misstep from the government that you appear to continue to have so much faith in.
Talk about fool some of the people all of the time.
Entirely sensible 👍
Truss is being a lot calmer about this than I would be, but she seems to be entirely reasonable and appropriate.
This thread has resigned and called a by-election
If the EU had interpreted the Protocol flexibly there'd be no reason for sandwiches to be checked since there was supposed to be a risk assessment on what needed checking and there'd be no reason for sandwiches to be part of the risk that needs checking.
Scheduling is entirely relevant. Brexit is done, the TCA is agreed (including arbitration) so its entirely appropriate to evolve the Protocol onto its next stage now.
But you keep cheering.
I'm not cheering - just pointing out that HMG is at last trying to do something to hold the EU to its promises.
Which of the contenders have vote Plaid Cymru?
about. In a half decent restaurant if a member of staff had a spat with a customer it would be the customer who would be ejected. You're very out of date. I'm surprised how little respect you have for those in the industry that you even use words like servility. Nearly all of us work for our customers but that doesn't make us servile
Recent Majorities
2019 - 57 (SF)
2017 - 875 (SF)
2015 - 530 (UUP)
2010 - 4 (SF)
I don't think we the public have much way of telling who would or would not make a good minister. Not least as we would judge them differently to how their party would, how Whitehall would, and so on.