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edited May 15 in General
What a curry on – politicalbetting.com

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer pledges to offer his resignation if he is issued a fixed penalty notice over last year's 'beergate' incident – but adds that he is "absolutely clear that no laws were broken".Live: https://t.co/MAWFLvHs5s? Sky 501, Virgin 602 and Freeview 233 pic.twitter.com/Vhoonw5Vim

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,147
    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.
  • eekeek Posts: 18,825

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 17,746
    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    If that does happen remember all that I posed this as the scenario...
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 6,412

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    Do you know what all the buttons in the cockpit do ? We could be entering some turbulent times.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 1,507

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    So we are expecting most of parliament to resign, London Bridge, and Putin to nuke Wigan in the next 72h?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 26,806

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    Do you know what all the buttons in the cockpit do ? We could be entering some turbulent times.
    what could go wrong?

    image
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,147
    mwadams said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    So we are expecting most of parliament to resign, London Bridge, and Putin to nuke Wigan in the next 72h?
    I don’t want London Bridge to fall.

    Especially on my watch.

    Plus i dont Boris Johnson to be her final PM.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,147

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    Do you know what all the buttons in the cockpit do ? We could be entering some turbulent times.
    If I don’t know what they do I turn off the system and put it back on.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 21,154

    kamski said:

    Starmer allowed himself to be photographed inside a lateral flow test centre in March 2021 without wearing a mask when it was a legal requirement:

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1367859038470500353

    image

    Hmmm, this is just flat out dishonest from you, as is obvious to anyone who actually clicks on the link. Unless you are trying to make some kind of point about how easy it is to spread disinformation?
    The level of dishonesty on here has actually shocked me.

    I thought PB was reasonably above board. More fool me!
    They'd take a pic of SKS patting a cute puppy on the head and claim that it was infallible evidence that "SKS had barbecued doggie indoors with 523 activists the night before the funeral of the DoE".
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 13,167
    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    Cost of living wise, no, but we are approaching the second half of the year with a lot of feel-good events. We can't afford to eat but there's the Platinum Jubilee and Emma at Wimbledon; we host the Rugby League World Cup and Commonwealth Games; culminating in the World Cup.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 70,830

    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    Cost of living wise, no, but we are approaching the second half of the year with a lot of feel-good events. We can't afford to eat but there's the Platinum Jubilee and Emma at Wimbledon; we host the Rugby League World Cup and Commonwealth Games; culminating in the World Cup.
    ITS COMING HOME, ITS COMING HOME....
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 1,955
    A nuclear strike leaving Christopher Chope as the only surviving MP is about the worst case for an OGH mini break
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 7,967

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    Why no communique from The Man himself??? And where is Smithson the Younger???

    Coup d'etat PB-style? Does yon TSE(us) have a mean and hungry look?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 13,167

    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    Cost of living wise, no, but we are approaching the second half of the year with a lot of feel-good events. We can't afford to eat but there's the Platinum Jubilee and Emma at Wimbledon; we host the Rugby League World Cup and Commonwealth Games; culminating in the World Cup.
    Forgot to mention Boris being cleared of:-

    20 May 2020 bring your own booze work event
    18 June 2020 Hannah Young's leaving work event
    19 June 2020 Big Dog's birthday work event
    13 November 2020 Lee Cain leaving work event
    13 November 2020 Abba work event
    15 December 2020 Christmas quiz work event
    17 December 2020 Christmas work event
    17 December 2020 Covid boss leaving work event
    17 December 2020 Private Secretary leaving work event
    18 December 2020 Christmas work event
    14 January 2021 Two more leaving work events
    16 April 2021 Another two leaving work events (the night before the DofE's work event)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 26,806

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    Do you know what all the buttons in the cockpit do ? We could be entering some turbulent times.
    If I don’t know what they do I turn off the system and put it back on.
    Ah

    image
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 1,955
    Beergate would be so much better if it transpired Bercow was there in some official Hobbit capacity
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 40,136
    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    I think people would regard it as not cricket to call a general election when the opposition didn't have a leader.
  • eekeek Posts: 18,825

    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    I think people would regard it as not cricket to call a general election when the opposition didn't have a leader.
    Can't see Boris being bothered by that...
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 2,864
    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    William Hill are currently offering 250/1 on Ed Davey as next Prime Minister.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 21,154

    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    I think people would regard it as not cricket to call a general election when the opposition didn't have a leader.
    I think Mr Johnson's favourite sport is not cricket.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 2,424
    FPT:

    MaxPB said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Selebian said:

    Carnyx said:

    Starmer allowed himself to be photographed inside a lateral flow test centre in March 2021 without wearing a mask when it was a legal requirement:

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1367859038470500353

    image

    Very, very easy. The biggest medical exemption of all.

    Ever tried testing yourself when wearing a mask?

    1. Mask off and in pocket (or invisible in left hand, here)
    2. swab
    3. Hand swab to nice lady
    4. Mask back on.

    This is clearly stage 3 (eyes watering as well).
    Indeed. Pretty hard to swab with mask on :wink: Technically possible to get mask on one-handed while holding sample in other hand (increased risk of contamination while faffing about). But certainly I never did that (we had a testing centre at uni quite early on, required for any office access).
    Simple, lower the mask below the nose/mouth, take the test, put it back. All with one hand!
    Doesn't work for the kind of disposable mask with loops over the ears.
    Huh? Yes it does, in fact it's probably even easier with the disposable ones because the loops are stretchy. You can just pull it down below your chin.
    Not in the ones I get from a specialist chemist firm and see in doctors etc.
    Different kind of disposable mask, no doubt. I don't agree with you that it is impossible to do one-handed though.
    I can assure you that that is the case. UNless you have a spare tentacle or three, or a prehensile tail to help. And can do it without banging the swab into the wall or table.
    What?! I've done plenty of COVID tests with the chin strap mask position using the crappy blue masks from Amazon. It's easy. Lower mask over chin, take nasal swab, raise mask back above nostrils, give swab to test person through car window. It's really not difficult at all.

    Once again, the reason this is an issue is because of all the stupid rules Starmer voted through, not because he slipped up. We all did from time to time. He presents this holier than thou image of being some kind of lockdown and rule abiding person but really he's as fallible as the rest of us. This wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't in favour of lockdowns, masks and social distancing. Honestly, if it were up to him I wouldn't be surprised to see some COVID measures come back.
    Keir was consistently wrong on Covid.
    I don’t see why that justifies a witch-hunt against him.
    Because if he'd shown some scepticism about restrictions, instead of simply demanding more sooner for longer, we might have been rid of the damn things much earlier.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 54,884
    edited May 9
    Barrister @Francis_Hoar, lawyer, tells @colinbrazierGBN:
    "What Sir @Keir_Starmer said was deeply inappropriate; the whole thing is utterly preposterous. But to undermine the presumption of innocence & put the police under pressure is wrong. A former DPP should know that"


    https://twitter.com/AlStewartOBE/status/1523692183341060096

    From that thread - interesting point on Starmer & presumption of innocence:

    By indicating that he will accept the decision of the Durham police and accept an FPN notwithstanding that he has reached the conclusion he did not commit an offence.
    If that is his conclusion, he should refuse an FPN and insist on a prosecution and defend himself if prosecuted.


    https://twitter.com/Francis_Hoar/status/1523698959734124544

    There's quite a lot in this "nothing to see here"....
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,044
    So, Starmer will resign if he’s fined but won’t resign if he’s found to have committed an offence but doesn’t get fined.

    Can some of his supporters explain how that shows his ‘integrity’?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 21,195
    The British public deserve politicians who know the rules apply to them.

    Who hold themselves to the highest standards.

    Who put the country first.

    Britain will always get that from me.
    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1523700146751557632/video/1
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 21,195
    The journo's who pushed beergate all week are now even more upset with SKS
  • TimSTimS Posts: 1,453

    A nuclear strike leaving Christopher Chope as the only surviving MP is about the worst case for an OGH mini break

    My money would be on Ben Lake being the last one standing.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 10,465
    Carnyx said:

    kamski said:

    Starmer allowed himself to be photographed inside a lateral flow test centre in March 2021 without wearing a mask when it was a legal requirement:

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1367859038470500353

    image

    Hmmm, this is just flat out dishonest from you, as is obvious to anyone who actually clicks on the link. Unless you are trying to make some kind of point about how easy it is to spread disinformation?
    The level of dishonesty on here has actually shocked me.

    I thought PB was reasonably above board. More fool me!
    They'd take a pic of SKS patting a cute puppy on the head and claim that it was infallible evidence that "SKS had barbecued doggie indoors with 523 activists the night before the funeral of the DoE".
    I have come to the conclusion that something ghastly happened to @williamglenn . He has turned from thoughtful, moderate, right of centre voice of reason to a ludicrous, frothing, right wing anti-EU zealot. I think his account details must have been hacked by SeanT
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 22,658
    MrEd said:

    So, Starmer will resign if he’s fined but won’t resign if he’s found to have committed an offence but doesn’t get fined.

    Can some of his supporters explain how that shows his ‘integrity’?

    This is the massive danger for Labour. Would they allow Starmer to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 21,195
    MrEd said:

    So, Starmer will resign if he’s fined but won’t resign if he’s found to have committed an offence but doesn’t get fined.

    Can some of his supporters explain how that shows his ‘integrity’?

    BoZo got fined.

    If SKS gets fined he will resign.

    BoZo did not resign.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 2,864

    Barrister @Francis_Hoar, lawyer, tells @colinbrazierGBN:
    "What Sir @Keir_Starmer said was deeply inappropriate; the whole thing is utterly preposterous. But to undermine the presumption of innocence & put the police under pressure is wrong. A former DPP should know that"

    Spoiler: he does.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 1,955
    TimS said:

    A nuclear strike leaving Christopher Chope as the only surviving MP is about the worst case for an OGH mini break

    My money would be on Ben Lake being the last one standing.
    Madge Ferrier
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,044
    Scott_xP said:

    MrEd said:

    So, Starmer will resign if he’s fined but won’t resign if he’s found to have committed an offence but doesn’t get fined.

    Can some of his supporters explain how that shows his ‘integrity’?

    BoZo got fined.

    If SKS gets fined he will resign.

    BoZo did not resign.
    So it’s the fine that’s important, not the offence?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 12,574
    edited May 9

    Barrister @Francis_Hoar, lawyer, tells @colinbrazierGBN:
    "What Sir @Keir_Starmer said was deeply inappropriate; the whole thing is utterly preposterous. But to undermine the presumption of innocence & put the police under pressure is wrong. A former DPP should know that"


    https://twitter.com/AlStewartOBE/status/1523692183341060096

    GBNews says Keir was inappropriate.
    OK, Carlotta. You win!

    Lol.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 2,713
    So when the heat of the curry dies down, which will take about 24 hours even in Leon's case, Boris Johnson has been boxed into a corner.

    If and when the Sue Gray report appears he's in deeper trouble.

    I still expect him to refuse to resign but it's certainly going to get lively.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,382
    Today, in Moscow they had the Victory day parade, I've just seen that the 'Air' component, the Fly past was cancelled, Officially because of bad weather.

    What do we think? is this the real reason? (sorry if this was discussed on last thread?)

    3 possibility's spring to mind.

    a) Maybe this was because of the weather but it does not seem to be that bad to me, occasional light rain, with intermittent clawed and low winds, not the best but still, that sounds flyable to me, and a non aviation person?

    b) To many planes have been shot down/damaged/needed for operations.

    c) The kremlin seeing possible defeat on the horizon has decided to play down the war and particular the whole Z thing, and the highlight of the fly-passed was going to be a big Z formation.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 13,878

    Barrister @Francis_Hoar, lawyer, tells @colinbrazierGBN:
    "What Sir @Keir_Starmer said was deeply inappropriate; the whole thing is utterly preposterous. But to undermine the presumption of innocence & put the police under pressure is wrong. A former DPP should know that"


    https://twitter.com/AlStewartOBE/status/1523692183341060096

    From that thread - interesting point on Starmer & presumption of innocence:

    By indicating that he will accept the decision of the Durham police and accept an FPN notwithstanding that he has reached the conclusion he did not commit an offence.
    If that is his conclusion, he should refuse an FPN and insist on a prosecution and defend himself if prosecuted.


    https://twitter.com/Francis_Hoar/status/1523698959734124544

    There's quite a lot in this "nothing to see here"....

    Indeed, he should, of course, quietly sit in silence for many weeks whilst Dorries et al demand the police take action.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 10,465
    MrEd said:

    So, Starmer will resign if he’s fined but won’t resign if he’s found to have committed an offence but doesn’t get fined.

    Can some of his supporters explain how that shows his ‘integrity’?

    Hmm, can you find another straw for Johnson Apologists to cling to perhaps?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 21,195
    MrEd said:

    So it’s the fine that’s important, not the offence?

    Welcome to politics.

    And betting.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 2,713
    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    I think people would regard it as not cricket to call a general election when the opposition didn't have a leader.
    I think Mr Johnson's favourite sport is not cricket.
    Butt chugging, I believe
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 74,521
    rcs1000 said:

    Personal view:

    If Starmer resigns and Johnson does not, then the Great British public will assume that Starmer's offence was the more serious.

    Probably.

    Wouldn't make any sense, but I can easily see it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 28,267
    SKS is confident he's in the clear. Can lay the 22 exit at 2.85. Great value. Ought to be triple that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 26,806
    BigRich said:

    Today, in Moscow they had the Victory day parade, I've just seen that the 'Air' component, the Fly past was cancelled, Officially because of bad weather.

    What do we think? is this the real reason? (sorry if this was discussed on last thread?)

    3 possibility's spring to mind.

    a) Maybe this was because of the weather but it does not seem to be that bad to me, occasional light rain, with intermittent clawed and low winds, not the best but still, that sounds flyable to me, and a non aviation person?

    b) To many planes have been shot down/damaged/needed for operations.

    c) The kremlin seeing possible defeat on the horizon has decided to play down the war and particular the whole Z thing, and the highlight of the fly-passed was going to be a big Z formation.

    d) The Russian Airforce got a warning from the police they are being investigated for breaches of COVID regulations.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 2,713
    Rcs, not if the Sue Gray report is grim. As is likely.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 21,195
    Poor Dan...

    I think Keir will come to regret this gamble. And so will a number of his colleagues...


    https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/politics/179688/starmer-ill-quit-if-fined-over-beergate
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 7,649
    edited May 9
    MrEd said:

    So, Starmer will resign if he’s fined but won’t resign if he’s found to have committed an offence but doesn’t get fined.

    Can some of his supporters explain how that shows his ‘integrity’?

    In fairness, he said 'If I were issued with a fine, I would do the decent thing and step down.' which, as any student of logic will tell you, doesn't preclude you from standing down if you don't get a fine (you need the 'if and only if' construction for that). But it did strike me as an odd way of phrasing it - surely the politics are identical if he's found in breach, fine or not.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,382
    MrEd said:

    Scott_xP said:

    MrEd said:

    So, Starmer will resign if he’s fined but won’t resign if he’s found to have committed an offence but doesn’t get fined.

    Can some of his supporters explain how that shows his ‘integrity’?

    BoZo got fined.

    If SKS gets fined he will resign.

    BoZo did not resign.
    So it’s the fine that’s important, not the offence?
    Its simple the line in the sand is whoever is best to make Your guy look good and the other to look bad.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 12,574
    Keir will not receive an FPN.
    Keir will not resign.

    Full credit tho, Boris has avoided an ouster.
    Sue Gray‘s report could find him overseeing a mass orgy of coke-snorting dwarves, and Tory MPs won’t summon up the courage to shift him.

    This, despite appalling council elections too.

    It’s been an absolute master class.

    Some say Boris is a good campaigner, personally I don’t think he is; he spent the last election campaign refusing to do interviews and hiding in a fridge.

    But he is a world-class operator. Maybe the best the country’s ever seen.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 13,878
    Heathener said:

    So when the heat of the curry dies down, which will take about 24 hours even in Leon's case, Boris Johnson has been boxed into a corner.

    If and when the Sue Gray report appears he's in deeper trouble.

    I still expect him to refuse to resign but it's certainly going to get lively.

    Yes it will get very tough for him. He might even have to listen to rumours, that almost, 15 per cent of his own MPs do not support him, for a couple of weeks before they forgive him yet again. Very tough.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 7,967
    Consternation of PB Bojo Brigade is palpable. And quasi-pitiable. Mirroring the mood in No. 10 & Tory HQ?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 10,465
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Personal view:

    If Starmer resigns and Johnson does not, then the Great British public will assume that Starmer's offence was the more serious.

    Probably.

    Wouldn't make any sense, but I can easily see it.
    The thick ones might. Those with anything above, say, 80 IQ will conclude it was because Starmer had some decency, whereas Johnson has none.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 17,746

    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    I think people would regard it as not cricket to call a general election when the opposition didn't have a leader.
    So? He is World King. The rules don't apply to him so if there is advantage to steal just do it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 28,267

    Keir will not receive an FPN.
    Keir will not resign.

    Full credit tho, Boris has avoided an ouster.
    Sue Gray‘s report could find him overseeing a mass orgy of coke-snorting dwarves, and Tory MPs won’t summon up the courage to shift him.

    This, despite appalling council elections too.

    It’s been an absolute master class.

    Some say Boris is a good campaigner, personally I don’t think he is; he spent the last election campaign refusing to do interviews and hiding in a fridge.

    But he is a world-class operator. Maybe the best the country’s ever seen.

    "Piece of work" is the more apt and precise term, I think. He's a world-class piece of work.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 54,884
    The potentially career-ending video of Keir Starmer drinking a beer in Durham was filmed by Ivo Delingpole, the student son of the Breitbart writer James Delingpole.

    Delingpole, who graduated from the University of Durham last year, was at his student house in the city, close to a venue where the Labour leader held a political campaign event on 30 April 2021.

    According to individuals with knowledge of the video’s creation, it was Delingpole who spotted the Labour leader through the window of Durham Miners Hall. Starmer was drinking with a team of campaigners eating a takeaway curry at a time when the country was still under partial lockdown and large indoor social gatherings were banned.

    The short video was subsequently passed to the anti-lockdown activist Laurence Fox, who tweeted it out to his followers.

    Mainstream media outlets largely ignored the footage for nine months, but as public fury over parties in Downing Street escalated over the winter the Daily Mail put the Starmer video on its front page in January and accused the Labour leader of hypocrisy.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/09/revealed-student-ivo-delingpole-james-breitbart-beergate-video-that-threatens-to-sink-starmer
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 5,661
    Scott_xP said:

    Poor Dan...

    I think Keir will come to regret this gamble. And so will a number of his colleagues...


    https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/politics/179688/starmer-ill-quit-if-fined-over-beergate

    To be fair, Dan O'Hanraha-hanrahan has had his news fox shot, and I think he realises it.

    After all, he's put so much effort into constructing cathedrals of news out of a few Lego blocks of actuality.

    And then some twit got the police involved, so it all resolves into fined or not fined.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 38,596

    Heathener said:

    So when the heat of the curry dies down, which will take about 24 hours even in Leon's case, Boris Johnson has been boxed into a corner.

    If and when the Sue Gray report appears he's in deeper trouble.

    I still expect him to refuse to resign but it's certainly going to get lively.

    Yes it will get very tough for him. He might even have to listen to rumours, that almost, 15 per cent of his own MPs do not support him, for a couple of weeks before they forgive him yet again. Very tough.
    The electorate probably won’t, though.

    Except for the isolated pockets who are today bleating how unfair it is of Starmer to have taken some sort of principled stand.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 1,350

    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    I think people would regard it as not cricket to call a general election when the opposition didn't have a leader.
    Labour had to go into 2017 and 2019 without a leader. Oh wait, sorry, I see what you mean.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 1,955
    Scott_xP said:
    Tbf integrity is not breaking the law first and foremost
    I mean I'll do time if I'm convicted of fraud. I wouldn't claim that statement gave me integrity
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 2,713
    edited May 9
    There's another aspect to this which some of you pb wizards have probably already spotted.

    I just wonder if SKS realised he needs someone else to propel Labour to power. It's quite a neat way to step aside: by piling pressure back on Boris Johnson.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 1,453

    TimS said:

    A nuclear strike leaving Christopher Chope as the only surviving MP is about the worst case for an OGH mini break

    My money would be on Ben Lake being the last one standing.
    Madge Ferrier
    Yes she's nicely tucked away. The highlands and Islands constituencies are a bit too close to the Atlantic naval action.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 13,167
    BigRich said:

    Today, in Moscow they had the Victory day parade, I've just seen that the 'Air' component, the Fly past was cancelled, Officially because of bad weather.

    What do we think? is this the real reason? (sorry if this was discussed on last thread?)

    3 possibility's spring to mind.

    a) Maybe this was because of the weather but it does not seem to be that bad to me, occasional light rain, with intermittent clawed and low winds, not the best but still, that sounds flyable to me, and a non aviation person?

    b) To many planes have been shot down/damaged/needed for operations.

    c) The kremlin seeing possible defeat on the horizon has decided to play down the war and particular the whole Z thing, and the highlight of the fly-passed was going to be a big Z formation.

    d) they are worried about planes being shot down during the fly-past.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 16,054

    The potentially career-ending video of Keir Starmer drinking a beer in Durham was filmed by Ivo Delingpole, the student son of the Breitbart writer James Delingpole.

    Delingpole, who graduated from the University of Durham last year, was at his student house in the city, close to a venue where the Labour leader held a political campaign event on 30 April 2021.

    According to individuals with knowledge of the video’s creation, it was Delingpole who spotted the Labour leader through the window of Durham Miners Hall. Starmer was drinking with a team of campaigners eating a takeaway curry at a time when the country was still under partial lockdown and large indoor social gatherings were banned.

    The short video was subsequently passed to the anti-lockdown activist Laurence Fox, who tweeted it out to his followers.

    Mainstream media outlets largely ignored the footage for nine months, but as public fury over parties in Downing Street escalated over the winter the Daily Mail put the Starmer video on its front page in January and accused the Labour leader of hypocrisy.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/09/revealed-student-ivo-delingpole-james-breitbart-beergate-video-that-threatens-to-sink-starmer

    Shit. You think reality must have run out of plot twists and this happens
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 21,195
    great to see everyone in sw1 today working on the Vote Leave operation to remove the 🛒 , especially the carrie stooge network of cole wickham et al now in total panic that theyre accidentally working for us 😂
    https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1523687586241429510
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 7,967
    Tip for TSE - How to Take Over

    Clip from "Is Paris Burning"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYMX12KgiYk&t=3s
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 1,955
    The Sun might be about to go nuclear and roll out Keirs head in a vegetable
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 1,507

    mwadams said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    So we are expecting most of parliament to resign, London Bridge, and Putin to nuke Wigan in the next 72h?
    I don’t want London Bridge to fall.

    Especially on my watch.

    Plus i dont Boris Johnson to be her final PM.
    I note your lack of concern for Wigan.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,209

    The potentially career-ending video of Keir Starmer drinking a beer in Durham was filmed by Ivo Delingpole, the student son of the Breitbart writer James Delingpole.

    Delingpole, who graduated from the University of Durham last year, was at his student house in the city, close to a venue where the Labour leader held a political campaign event on 30 April 2021.

    According to individuals with knowledge of the video’s creation, it was Delingpole who spotted the Labour leader through the window of Durham Miners Hall. Starmer was drinking with a team of campaigners eating a takeaway curry at a time when the country was still under partial lockdown and large indoor social gatherings were banned.

    The short video was subsequently passed to the anti-lockdown activist Laurence Fox, who tweeted it out to his followers.

    Mainstream media outlets largely ignored the footage for nine months, but as public fury over parties in Downing Street escalated over the winter the Daily Mail put the Starmer video on its front page in January and accused the Labour leader of hypocrisy.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/09/revealed-student-ivo-delingpole-james-breitbart-beergate-video-that-threatens-to-sink-starmer

    Sounds a lot like the cake incident, which was reported on shortly afterwards in 2020 without a hint of outrage.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 34,650

    MaxPB said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Selebian said:

    Carnyx said:

    Starmer allowed himself to be photographed inside a lateral flow test centre in March 2021 without wearing a mask when it was a legal requirement:

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1367859038470500353

    image

    Very, very easy. The biggest medical exemption of all.

    Ever tried testing yourself when wearing a mask?

    1. Mask off and in pocket (or invisible in left hand, here)
    2. swab
    3. Hand swab to nice lady
    4. Mask back on.

    This is clearly stage 3 (eyes watering as well).
    Indeed. Pretty hard to swab with mask on :wink: Technically possible to get mask on one-handed while holding sample in other hand (increased risk of contamination while faffing about). But certainly I never did that (we had a testing centre at uni quite early on, required for any office access).
    Simple, lower the mask below the nose/mouth, take the test, put it back. All with one hand!
    Doesn't work for the kind of disposable mask with loops over the ears.
    Huh? Yes it does, in fact it's probably even easier with the disposable ones because the loops are stretchy. You can just pull it down below your chin.
    Not in the ones I get from a specialist chemist firm and see in doctors etc.
    Different kind of disposable mask, no doubt. I don't agree with you that it is impossible to do one-handed though.
    I can assure you that that is the case. UNless you have a spare tentacle or three, or a prehensile tail to help. And can do it without banging the swab into the wall or table.
    What?! I've done plenty of COVID tests with the chin strap mask position using the crappy blue masks from Amazon. It's easy. Lower mask over chin, take nasal swab, raise mask back above nostrils, give swab to test person through car window. It's really not difficult at all.

    Once again, the reason this is an issue is because of all the stupid rules Starmer voted through, not because he slipped up. We all did from time to time. He presents this holier than thou image of being some kind of lockdown and rule abiding person but really he's as fallible as the rest of us. This wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't in favour of lockdowns, masks and social distancing. Honestly, if it were up to him I wouldn't be surprised to see some COVID measures come back.
    Keir was consistently wrong on Covid.
    I don’t see why that justifies a witch-hunt against him.

    The actual reason this story exists at all is that Boris was desperate to find something which would provoke voters into thinking “they’re all the same”.

    Maybe it’s worked, I don’t know.
    But it’s a disgraceful spectacle.
    It's because he was consistently wrong on COVID that he deserves everything coming to him. If he's mustered some ability to tell the government "no" his beer and curry wouldn't have potentially fallen foul of the ridiculous rules.

    He opened pandora's box of COVID rules alongside Boris. He's in the special category of arsehole just the same where any minor infraction of the law or even guidance means it's a resigning issue. I've said plenty of times that Boris should have resigned once the party stuff came out, that the MPs should remove him, that his position is untenable, I quit the Tory party when Dom went for his joyride through Durham. I am very consistent on this position - those who make the rules can't break them. Keir Starmer voted in favour of the second lockdown, he voted in favour of the government extending it, he voted in favour of all the idiotic rules. All while there was enough opposition within Tory ranks to force the government to back down. He is as responsible for the lamentable state of affairs we had from February to May.

    As I've said plenty of times today - the best outcome is Starmer being forced to resign and bringing Boris down with him. Neither are fit to be PM and clearly think the rules are for the little people. His tawdry actions today to try and force the Durham police into a corner of clearing him shows, once again, that he is unfit to be PM, it's a move worthy of Boris.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,461
    kinabalu said:

    SKS is confident he's in the clear. Can lay the 22 exit at 2.85. Great value. Ought to be triple that.

    I agree. I've just laid £158 at 2.9.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 16,054
    kinabalu said:

    Keir will not receive an FPN.
    Keir will not resign.

    Full credit tho, Boris has avoided an ouster.
    Sue Gray‘s report could find him overseeing a mass orgy of coke-snorting dwarves, and Tory MPs won’t summon up the courage to shift him.

    This, despite appalling council elections too.

    It’s been an absolute master class.

    Some say Boris is a good campaigner, personally I don’t think he is; he spent the last election campaign refusing to do interviews and hiding in a fridge.

    But he is a world-class operator. Maybe the best the country’s ever seen.

    "Piece of work" is the more apt and precise term, I think. He's a world-class piece of work.
    That's a linguistic oddity. The original phrase is "nasty piece of work," with no implication that pieces of work cannot be nice/good.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 15,579

    Barrister @Francis_Hoar, lawyer, tells @colinbrazierGBN:
    "What Sir @Keir_Starmer said was deeply inappropriate; the whole thing is utterly preposterous. But to undermine the presumption of innocence & put the police under pressure is wrong. A former DPP should know that"


    https://twitter.com/AlStewartOBE/status/1523692183341060096

    From that thread - interesting point on Starmer & presumption of innocence:

    By indicating that he will accept the decision of the Durham police and accept an FPN notwithstanding that he has reached the conclusion he did not commit an offence.
    If that is his conclusion, he should refuse an FPN and insist on a prosecution and defend himself if prosecuted.


    https://twitter.com/Francis_Hoar/status/1523698959734124544

    There's quite a lot in this "nothing to see here"....

    Finding solace from one of Colin Brazier's hand picked super-parrisan guests is well inside clutching at straws territory. Perlease don't tell me you watch such garbage.
    .
    Even arch-Tory Adam "Bunter" Boulton has been shocked at how far down the GBNews rabbit hole Brazier has fallen.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 1,955
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    A nuclear strike leaving Christopher Chope as the only surviving MP is about the worst case for an OGH mini break

    My money would be on Ben Lake being the last one standing.
    Madge Ferrier
    Yes she's nicely tucked away. The highlands and Islands constituencies are a bit too close to the Atlantic naval action.

    And would be bitterly ironic.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 2,424

    Scott_xP said:

    Poor Dan...

    I think Keir will come to regret this gamble. And so will a number of his colleagues...


    https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/politics/179688/starmer-ill-quit-if-fined-over-beergate

    To be fair, Dan O'Hanraha-hanrahan has had his news fox shot, and I think he realises it.

    After all, he's put so much effort into constructing cathedrals of news out of a few Lego blocks of actuality.

    And then some twit got the police involved, so it all resolves into fined or not fined.
    Or "broke the law but not fined".
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,862
    RobD said:

    The potentially career-ending video of Keir Starmer drinking a beer in Durham was filmed by Ivo Delingpole, the student son of the Breitbart writer James Delingpole.

    Delingpole, who graduated from the University of Durham last year, was at his student house in the city, close to a venue where the Labour leader held a political campaign event on 30 April 2021.

    According to individuals with knowledge of the video’s creation, it was Delingpole who spotted the Labour leader through the window of Durham Miners Hall. Starmer was drinking with a team of campaigners eating a takeaway curry at a time when the country was still under partial lockdown and large indoor social gatherings were banned.

    The short video was subsequently passed to the anti-lockdown activist Laurence Fox, who tweeted it out to his followers.

    Mainstream media outlets largely ignored the footage for nine months, but as public fury over parties in Downing Street escalated over the winter the Daily Mail put the Starmer video on its front page in January and accused the Labour leader of hypocrisy.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/09/revealed-student-ivo-delingpole-james-breitbart-beergate-video-that-threatens-to-sink-starmer

    Sounds a lot like the cake incident, which was reported on shortly afterwards in 2020 without a hint of outrage.
    reported on in the Times.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 38,596

    The Sun might be about to go nuclear and roll out Keirs head in a vegetable

    I’m chilled to the marrow.

  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 2,424

    Consternation of PB Bojo Brigade is palpable. And quasi-pitiable. Mirroring the mood in No. 10 & Tory HQ?

    The "PB Bojo Brigade", aka HYUFD, has been conspicuously absent today...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 38,144
    edited May 9
    BigRich said:

    Today, in Moscow they had the Victory day parade, I've just seen that the 'Air' component, the Fly past was cancelled, Officially because of bad weather.

    What do we think? is this the real reason? (sorry if this was discussed on last thread?)

    3 possibility's spring to mind.

    a) Maybe this was because of the weather but it does not seem to be that bad to me, occasional light rain, with intermittent clawed and low winds, not the best but still, that sounds flyable to me, and a non aviation person?

    b) To many planes have been shot down/damaged/needed for operations.

    c) The kremlin seeing possible defeat on the horizon has decided to play down the war and particular the whole Z thing, and the highlight of the fly-passed was going to be a big Z formation.

    There were Z formations practising yesterday, apparently.

    Either they had insufficient aircraft and pilots, insufficient senior officers to run the event, or maybe it was just the weather. Perhaps they were out seeding the clouds overnight, just to make sure it was too bad?

    A massive damp squib for Putin though, which will warm Ukranian hearts tonight. There were rumours about, that Putin was going to do something very stupid today.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 12,574
    Scott_xP said:

    great to see everyone in sw1 today working on the Vote Leave operation to remove the 🛒 , especially the carrie stooge network of cole wickham et al now in total panic that theyre accidentally working for us 😂
    https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1523687586241429510

    This is truly brilliant. LOL.

    Too bad it’s obscured a bit by Cummings’s cryptic tweet style.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 13,167
    Scott_xP said:

    great to see everyone in sw1 today working on the Vote Leave operation to remove the 🛒 , especially the carrie stooge network of cole wickham et al now in total panic that theyre accidentally working for us 😂
    https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1523687586241429510

    I have no idea what this means. Is it #ClassicDom or has he been hacked by one of those AI GPT thingies?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 2,713
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Selebian said:

    Carnyx said:

    Starmer allowed himself to be photographed inside a lateral flow test centre in March 2021 without wearing a mask when it was a legal requirement:

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1367859038470500353

    image

    Very, very easy. The biggest medical exemption of all.

    Ever tried testing yourself when wearing a mask?

    1. Mask off and in pocket (or invisible in left hand, here)
    2. swab
    3. Hand swab to nice lady
    4. Mask back on.

    This is clearly stage 3 (eyes watering as well).
    Indeed. Pretty hard to swab with mask on :wink: Technically possible to get mask on one-handed while holding sample in other hand (increased risk of contamination while faffing about). But certainly I never did that (we had a testing centre at uni quite early on, required for any office access).
    Simple, lower the mask below the nose/mouth, take the test, put it back. All with one hand!
    Doesn't work for the kind of disposable mask with loops over the ears.
    Huh? Yes it does, in fact it's probably even easier with the disposable ones because the loops are stretchy. You can just pull it down below your chin.
    Not in the ones I get from a specialist chemist firm and see in doctors etc.
    Different kind of disposable mask, no doubt. I don't agree with you that it is impossible to do one-handed though.
    I can assure you that that is the case. UNless you have a spare tentacle or three, or a prehensile tail to help. And can do it without banging the swab into the wall or table.
    What?! I've done plenty of COVID tests with the chin strap mask position using the crappy blue masks from Amazon. It's easy. Lower mask over chin, take nasal swab, raise mask back above nostrils, give swab to test person through car window. It's really not difficult at all.

    Once again, the reason this is an issue is because of all the stupid rules Starmer voted through, not because he slipped up. We all did from time to time. He presents this holier than thou image of being some kind of lockdown and rule abiding person but really he's as fallible as the rest of us. This wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't in favour of lockdowns, masks and social distancing. Honestly, if it were up to him I wouldn't be surprised to see some COVID measures come back.
    Keir was consistently wrong on Covid.
    I don’t see why that justifies a witch-hunt against him.

    The actual reason this story exists at all is that Boris was desperate to find something which would provoke voters into thinking “they’re all the same”.

    Maybe it’s worked, I don’t know.
    But it’s a disgraceful spectacle.
    It's because he was consistently wrong on COVID .
    No he was NOT
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 15,579
    kinabalu said:

    SKS is confident he's in the clear. Can lay the 22 exit at 2.85. Great value. Ought to be triple that.

    Don't burst my bubble, I was excited at the prospect of LOTO Nandy taking down PM Fizzy Lizzy.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 12,574
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Selebian said:

    Carnyx said:

    Starmer allowed himself to be photographed inside a lateral flow test centre in March 2021 without wearing a mask when it was a legal requirement:

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1367859038470500353

    image

    Very, very easy. The biggest medical exemption of all.

    Ever tried testing yourself when wearing a mask?

    1. Mask off and in pocket (or invisible in left hand, here)
    2. swab
    3. Hand swab to nice lady
    4. Mask back on.

    This is clearly stage 3 (eyes watering as well).
    Indeed. Pretty hard to swab with mask on :wink: Technically possible to get mask on one-handed while holding sample in other hand (increased risk of contamination while faffing about). But certainly I never did that (we had a testing centre at uni quite early on, required for any office access).
    Simple, lower the mask below the nose/mouth, take the test, put it back. All with one hand!
    Doesn't work for the kind of disposable mask with loops over the ears.
    Huh? Yes it does, in fact it's probably even easier with the disposable ones because the loops are stretchy. You can just pull it down below your chin.
    Not in the ones I get from a specialist chemist firm and see in doctors etc.
    Different kind of disposable mask, no doubt. I don't agree with you that it is impossible to do one-handed though.
    I can assure you that that is the case. UNless you have a spare tentacle or three, or a prehensile tail to help. And can do it without banging the swab into the wall or table.
    What?! I've done plenty of COVID tests with the chin strap mask position using the crappy blue masks from Amazon. It's easy. Lower mask over chin, take nasal swab, raise mask back above nostrils, give swab to test person through car window. It's really not difficult at all.

    Once again, the reason this is an issue is because of all the stupid rules Starmer voted through, not because he slipped up. We all did from time to time. He presents this holier than thou image of being some kind of lockdown and rule abiding person but really he's as fallible as the rest of us. This wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't in favour of lockdowns, masks and social distancing. Honestly, if it were up to him I wouldn't be surprised to see some COVID measures come back.
    Keir was consistently wrong on Covid.
    I don’t see why that justifies a witch-hunt against him.

    The actual reason this story exists at all is that Boris was desperate to find something which would provoke voters into thinking “they’re all the same”.

    Maybe it’s worked, I don’t know.
    But it’s a disgraceful spectacle.
    It's because he was consistently wrong on COVID that he deserves everything coming to him. If he's mustered some ability to tell the government "no" his beer and curry wouldn't have potentially fallen foul of the ridiculous rules.

    He opened pandora's box of COVID rules alongside Boris. He's in the special category of arsehole just the same where any minor infraction of the law or even guidance means it's a resigning issue. I've said plenty of times that Boris should have resigned once the party stuff came out, that the MPs should remove him, that his position is untenable, I quit the Tory party when Dom went for his joyride through Durham. I am very consistent on this position - those who make the rules can't break them. Keir Starmer voted in favour of the second lockdown, he voted in favour of the government extending it, he voted in favour of all the idiotic rules. All while there was enough opposition within Tory ranks to force the government to back down. He is as responsible for the lamentable state of affairs we had from February to May.

    As I've said plenty of times today - the best outcome is Starmer being forced to resign and bringing Boris down with him. Neither are fit to be PM and clearly think the rules are for the little people. His tawdry actions today to try and force the Durham police into a corner of clearing him shows, once again, that he is unfit to be PM, it's a move worthy of Boris.
    But he didn’t break the rules.
    I too want Keir gone, I don’t think he is up to it.
    But not on trumped up charges.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 19,700
    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    So we are expecting most of parliament to resign, London Bridge, and Putin to nuke Wigan in the next 72h?
    I don’t want London Bridge to fall.

    Especially on my watch.

    Plus i dont Boris Johnson to be her final PM.
    I note your lack of concern for Wigan.
    Might make journeys to Anfield somewhat circuitous for him too.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 2,713
    Nigelb said:

    The Sun might be about to go nuclear and roll out Keirs head in a vegetable

    I’m chilled to the marrow.

    Apparently something is about to leek
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 38,144
    An interesting point to note. Jeremy Corbyn lost a vote of confidence and was forced to resign, but it was established that he had the right to participate in the subsequent leadership election.

    Has this rule changed, and do we think SKS might try the same trick?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 2,713
    Heathener said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Sun might be about to go nuclear and roll out Keirs head in a vegetable

    I’m chilled to the marrow.

    Apparently something is about to leek
    Let us hope not though
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 15,579

    Scott_xP said:

    great to see everyone in sw1 today working on the Vote Leave operation to remove the 🛒 , especially the carrie stooge network of cole wickham et al now in total panic that theyre accidentally working for us 😂
    https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1523687586241429510

    This is truly brilliant. LOL.

    Too bad it’s obscured a bit by Cummings’s cryptic tweet style.
    Can someone translate from the Geordie...if that is the dialect in which it is written?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 12,574
    edited May 9

    Scott_xP said:

    great to see everyone in sw1 today working on the Vote Leave operation to remove the 🛒 , especially the carrie stooge network of cole wickham et al now in total panic that theyre accidentally working for us 😂
    https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1523687586241429510

    I have no idea what this means. Is it #ClassicDom or has he been hacked by one of those AI GPT thingies?
    Translation;

    LOL that the Tory-media nexus (Carrie, Cole, Wickham) are in total panic now that their operation to smear Keir is accidentally putting pressure back on Boris.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 2,713
    Sandpit said:



    Has this rule changed, and do we think SKS might try the same trick?

    Er, no.

    How on earth would he face the electorate on that basis?

    The whole point is to show up BoJo.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 7,649

    The potentially career-ending video of Keir Starmer drinking a beer in Durham was filmed by Ivo Delingpole, the student son of the Breitbart writer James Delingpole.

    Delingpole, who graduated from the University of Durham last year, was at his student house in the city, close to a venue where the Labour leader held a political campaign event on 30 April 2021.

    According to individuals with knowledge of the video’s creation, it was Delingpole who spotted the Labour leader through the window of Durham Miners Hall. Starmer was drinking with a team of campaigners eating a takeaway curry at a time when the country was still under partial lockdown and large indoor social gatherings were banned.

    The short video was subsequently passed to the anti-lockdown activist Laurence Fox, who tweeted it out to his followers.

    Mainstream media outlets largely ignored the footage for nine months, but as public fury over parties in Downing Street escalated over the winter the Daily Mail put the Starmer video on its front page in January and accused the Labour leader of hypocrisy.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/09/revealed-student-ivo-delingpole-james-breitbart-beergate-video-that-threatens-to-sink-starmer

    Were any privacy laws broken here? I ask because the same was said on PB of Boris's neighbours when they reported his and Carrie's barney that night.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 10,465
    Heathener said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Sun might be about to go nuclear and roll out Keirs head in a vegetable

    I’m chilled to the marrow.

    Apparently something is about to leek
    Is he about to be a has - bean
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 1,282
    Thoughts and prayers for Dan Hodges and the rest of the team at the Hate Mail who thought Starmer was as shameless as their posterboy Johnson and wouldn’t offer to resign .

    Now Johnson is fxcked regardless of what happens .

    # Pray4Dan
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 3,637
    edited May 9
    MrEd said:

    So, Starmer will resign if he’s fined but won’t resign if he’s found to have committed an offence but doesn’t get fined.

    Can some of his supporters explain how that shows his ‘integrity’?

    This isn't something that can happen in practice because, ultimately, it's the courts rather than the Police who find someone to have committed an offence.

    In this sort of case, the Police can issue an FPN and the recipient can pay it. But all that is is the Police saying, "We're minded to prosecute you on the basis of that we have ample evidence against you and are pretty sure a court would convict, but you can save yourself and us time and money (and a criminal record for you) by paying a penalty". The receipient is perfectly entitled to then say "I won't pay and will take my chances in court" (or to put their hands up and pay - but it's their choice).

    There really is no such thing as the Police "finding" someone has committed an offence but not issuing an FPN.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 2,424

    Heathener said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Sun might be about to go nuclear and roll out Keirs head in a vegetable

    I’m chilled to the marrow.

    Apparently something is about to leek
    Is he about to be a has - bean
    He's not going to be so much defenestrated as carrotted.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 34,650

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Selebian said:

    Carnyx said:

    Starmer allowed himself to be photographed inside a lateral flow test centre in March 2021 without wearing a mask when it was a legal requirement:

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1367859038470500353

    image

    Very, very easy. The biggest medical exemption of all.

    Ever tried testing yourself when wearing a mask?

    1. Mask off and in pocket (or invisible in left hand, here)
    2. swab
    3. Hand swab to nice lady
    4. Mask back on.

    This is clearly stage 3 (eyes watering as well).
    Indeed. Pretty hard to swab with mask on :wink: Technically possible to get mask on one-handed while holding sample in other hand (increased risk of contamination while faffing about). But certainly I never did that (we had a testing centre at uni quite early on, required for any office access).
    Simple, lower the mask below the nose/mouth, take the test, put it back. All with one hand!
    Doesn't work for the kind of disposable mask with loops over the ears.
    Huh? Yes it does, in fact it's probably even easier with the disposable ones because the loops are stretchy. You can just pull it down below your chin.
    Not in the ones I get from a specialist chemist firm and see in doctors etc.
    Different kind of disposable mask, no doubt. I don't agree with you that it is impossible to do one-handed though.
    I can assure you that that is the case. UNless you have a spare tentacle or three, or a prehensile tail to help. And can do it without banging the swab into the wall or table.
    What?! I've done plenty of COVID tests with the chin strap mask position using the crappy blue masks from Amazon. It's easy. Lower mask over chin, take nasal swab, raise mask back above nostrils, give swab to test person through car window. It's really not difficult at all.

    Once again, the reason this is an issue is because of all the stupid rules Starmer voted through, not because he slipped up. We all did from time to time. He presents this holier than thou image of being some kind of lockdown and rule abiding person but really he's as fallible as the rest of us. This wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't in favour of lockdowns, masks and social distancing. Honestly, if it were up to him I wouldn't be surprised to see some COVID measures come back.
    Keir was consistently wrong on Covid.
    I don’t see why that justifies a witch-hunt against him.

    The actual reason this story exists at all is that Boris was desperate to find something which would provoke voters into thinking “they’re all the same”.

    Maybe it’s worked, I don’t know.
    But it’s a disgraceful spectacle.
    It's because he was consistently wrong on COVID that he deserves everything coming to him. If he's mustered some ability to tell the government "no" his beer and curry wouldn't have potentially fallen foul of the ridiculous rules.

    He opened pandora's box of COVID rules alongside Boris. He's in the special category of arsehole just the same where any minor infraction of the law or even guidance means it's a resigning issue. I've said plenty of times that Boris should have resigned once the party stuff came out, that the MPs should remove him, that his position is untenable, I quit the Tory party when Dom went for his joyride through Durham. I am very consistent on this position - those who make the rules can't break them. Keir Starmer voted in favour of the second lockdown, he voted in favour of the government extending it, he voted in favour of all the idiotic rules. All while there was enough opposition within Tory ranks to force the government to back down. He is as responsible for the lamentable state of affairs we had from February to May.

    As I've said plenty of times today - the best outcome is Starmer being forced to resign and bringing Boris down with him. Neither are fit to be PM and clearly think the rules are for the little people. His tawdry actions today to try and force the Durham police into a corner of clearing him shows, once again, that he is unfit to be PM, it's a move worthy of Boris.
    But he didn’t break the rules.
    I too want Keir gone, I don’t think he is up to it.
    But not on trumped up charges.
    How do you know he didn't break the rules? I'm not even sure what the rules were. Beers and a curry with people from outside your household until late into the night doesn't sound as though it was allowed, though the specific rules were fairly vague at the time and not easy to understand.

    You are very certain he didn't break the rules, why? Because he's said he didn't? Rishi said he didn't break the rules and he still got a FPN. Rishi, despite everything, doesn't strike me as a party animal or someone who would simply cover up his own known wrongdoing by lying about it. Just because Starmer doesn't think he broke the rules it doesn't necessarily mean he hasn't.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 1,955
    edited May 9
    Sandpit said:

    An interesting point to note. Jeremy Corbyn lost a vote of confidence and was forced to resign, but it was established that he had the right to participate in the subsequent leadership election.

    Has this rule changed, and do we think SKS might try the same trick?

    Electorate would raise eyebrows at that.

    Plus it kills 'integrity' such as that exists - I'm resigning, but only technically, I'm reapplying for the same job I just said I had to quit because of my actions.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 2,424

    MrEd said:

    So, Starmer will resign if he’s fined but won’t resign if he’s found to have committed an offence but doesn’t get fined.

    Can some of his supporters explain how that shows his ‘integrity’?

    This isn't something that can happen in practice because, ultimately, it's the courts rather than the Police who find someone to have committed an offence.

    In this sort of case, the Police can issue an FPN and the recipient can pay it. But all that is is the Police saying, "We're minded to prosecute you on the basis of that we have ample evidence we have against you and are pretty sure a court would convict, but you can save yourself and us time and money (and a criminal record for you) by paying a penalty". The receipient is perfectly entitled to then say "I won't pay and will take my chances in court" (or to put their hands up and pay - but it's their choice).

    There really is no such thing as the Police "finding" someone has committed an offence but not issuing an FPN.
    There was for Cummings.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 2,424
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Selebian said:

    Carnyx said:

    Starmer allowed himself to be photographed inside a lateral flow test centre in March 2021 without wearing a mask when it was a legal requirement:

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1367859038470500353

    image

    Very, very easy. The biggest medical exemption of all.

    Ever tried testing yourself when wearing a mask?

    1. Mask off and in pocket (or invisible in left hand, here)
    2. swab
    3. Hand swab to nice lady
    4. Mask back on.

    This is clearly stage 3 (eyes watering as well).
    Indeed. Pretty hard to swab with mask on :wink: Technically possible to get mask on one-handed while holding sample in other hand (increased risk of contamination while faffing about). But certainly I never did that (we had a testing centre at uni quite early on, required for any office access).
    Simple, lower the mask below the nose/mouth, take the test, put it back. All with one hand!
    Doesn't work for the kind of disposable mask with loops over the ears.
    Huh? Yes it does, in fact it's probably even easier with the disposable ones because the loops are stretchy. You can just pull it down below your chin.
    Not in the ones I get from a specialist chemist firm and see in doctors etc.
    Different kind of disposable mask, no doubt. I don't agree with you that it is impossible to do one-handed though.
    I can assure you that that is the case. UNless you have a spare tentacle or three, or a prehensile tail to help. And can do it without banging the swab into the wall or table.
    What?! I've done plenty of COVID tests with the chin strap mask position using the crappy blue masks from Amazon. It's easy. Lower mask over chin, take nasal swab, raise mask back above nostrils, give swab to test person through car window. It's really not difficult at all.

    Once again, the reason this is an issue is because of all the stupid rules Starmer voted through, not because he slipped up. We all did from time to time. He presents this holier than thou image of being some kind of lockdown and rule abiding person but really he's as fallible as the rest of us. This wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't in favour of lockdowns, masks and social distancing. Honestly, if it were up to him I wouldn't be surprised to see some COVID measures come back.
    Keir was consistently wrong on Covid.
    I don’t see why that justifies a witch-hunt against him.

    The actual reason this story exists at all is that Boris was desperate to find something which would provoke voters into thinking “they’re all the same”.

    Maybe it’s worked, I don’t know.
    But it’s a disgraceful spectacle.
    It's because he was consistently wrong on COVID that he deserves everything coming to him. If he's mustered some ability to tell the government "no" his beer and curry wouldn't have potentially fallen foul of the ridiculous rules.

    He opened pandora's box of COVID rules alongside Boris. He's in the special category of arsehole just the same where any minor infraction of the law or even guidance means it's a resigning issue. I've said plenty of times that Boris should have resigned once the party stuff came out, that the MPs should remove him, that his position is untenable, I quit the Tory party when Dom went for his joyride through Durham. I am very consistent on this position - those who make the rules can't break them. Keir Starmer voted in favour of the second lockdown, he voted in favour of the government extending it, he voted in favour of all the idiotic rules. All while there was enough opposition within Tory ranks to force the government to back down. He is as responsible for the lamentable state of affairs we had from February to May.

    As I've said plenty of times today - the best outcome is Starmer being forced to resign and bringing Boris down with him. Neither are fit to be PM and clearly think the rules are for the little people. His tawdry actions today to try and force the Durham police into a corner of clearing him shows, once again, that he is unfit to be PM, it's a move worthy of Boris.
    But he didn’t break the rules.
    I too want Keir gone, I don’t think he is up to it.
    But not on trumped up charges.
    How do you know he didn't break the rules? I'm not even sure what the rules were. Beers and a curry with people from outside your household until late into the night doesn't sound as though it was allowed, though the specific rules were fairly vague at the time and not easy to understand.

    You are very certain he didn't break the rules, why?
    Because he's Labour, and hence Good.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 19,700
    Am intrigued we haven't heard the official Tory response yet. It's been nearly 3 hours since we've known this.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 49,748

    eek said:

    Just a reminder.

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but OGH is currently on a short break, and I'm looking after PB for the next few days.

    As I said earlier on

    Sods law says SKS and Raynor are both going to get FPNs. Boris will then quickly announce a general election because if he doesn't do it now the situation ain't going to get any better for him...
    I think people would regard it as not cricket to call a general election when the opposition didn't have a leader.
    So? He is World King. The rules don't apply to him so if there is advantage to steal just do it.
    Labour Rule Book 2022 says if both leader and deputy "unavailable" then NEC in consultation with Shadow Cabinet may appoint an interim leader until ballot.

    That will be interesting. I suspect they shouldn't appoint anyone who is planning to run. So some elder statesman/woman? Marge Beckett once again?
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