The 2022 English local elections – the final scorecard – politicalbetting.com
Above from BBC News are the final totals from last Thursday’s local elections. As can be seen the Tories lost the most councillors but the LDs not the official opposition got the most seats.
Beijing loyalists have anointed an ex-security chief who oversaw the crackdown on Hong Kong's democracy movement as the region's new leader.
John Lee, 64, was the only candidate in the Beijing-backed race to succeed outgoing leader Carrie Lam.
The elevation of Lee, who is currently subject to US sanctions, places a security official in the top job for the first time amid a tumultuous few years for a city battered by political unrest and debilitating pandemic controls.
"Former Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives (CDU) looked set to make a clear win a regional election in the northern state of Schleswig-Holstein on Sunday, in a boost to the party which was ousted from national government in federal elections last year.
An exit poll by ARD Tagesschau put the CDU at 43% of the vote, up 11 percentage points compared to the last vote, while the Social Democrats slumped to 15.5%.
The environmental Greens and the pro-business FDP parties, who have been in a coalition with the conservatives since 2017 scored 17% and 7% respectively."
It's interesting because on the PM head to heads and issues tracker the Tories are now behind Labour on almost everything.
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
Yes, very few Con -> Lab switchers and only a 2 point NEV lead now that all the results are in. There's no sugar coating it for either of the two parties. The voters don't like the Tories and they really hate Boris, but they also don't like Labour either and are wholly unconvinced by Starmer and now he's also likely to be tainted by a FPN.
It's interesting because on the PM head to heads and issues tracker the Tories are now behind Labour on almost everything.
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
Yes, very few Con -> Lab switchers and only a 2 point NEV lead now that all the results are in. There's no sugar coating it for either of the two parties. The voters don't like the Tories and they really hate Boris, but they also don't like Labour either and are wholly unconvinced by Starmer and now he's also likely to be tainted by a FPN.
The danger for the Tories is not been unliked, it is been seen as so incompoment that people go what the hell, give the other lot a go, regardless of being unconvinced.
It's interesting because on the PM head to heads and issues tracker the Tories are now behind Labour on almost everything.
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
Yes, very few Con -> Lab switchers and only a 2 point NEV lead now that all the results are in. There's no sugar coating it for either of the two parties. The voters don't like the Tories and they really hate Boris, but they also don't like Labour either and are wholly unconvinced by Starmer and now he's also likely to be tainted by a FPN.
Whichever party gets a plausible new leader first, wins?
We are definitely in Plague-on-both-your-houses territory
It might also be good for the country if they both go. They are both associated with the opposing extremes of the Brexit referendum. Boris is the Leave-leading Boris of the “lying” NHS Leave bus, Starmer is an outright Remoaner who wanted a 2nd vote. We cannot heal as a country - and we need to heal - while either of them is PM or LOTO
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn't it depend what was going on at the time of the base figure. If it's from the 2019 General Election then it's disappointing. If its from the hung parliament time around 2018 then it doesn't look too bad. The only thing that's clear is that it's a shocking result for the Tories
Kyle Walker, Ruben Dias and John Stones will miss the remainder of the season through injury, Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola has confirmed.
You can get 11/2 on Liverpool. I've done well betting against City this season. The odds on them losing are usually enormous and they don't often draw games.
Beijing loyalists have anointed an ex-security chief who oversaw the crackdown on Hong Kong's democracy movement as the region's new leader.
John Lee, 64, was the only candidate in the Beijing-backed race to succeed outgoing leader Carrie Lam.
The elevation of Lee, who is currently subject to US sanctions, places a security official in the top job for the first time amid a tumultuous few years for a city battered by political unrest and debilitating pandemic controls.
Anointed? Only candidate?
A hypothetical "Chinese PB.com" must be thoroughly boring!
Amazing result. Hope it was kosher otherwise the event is in trouble with last year's Bob Baffert winner being disqualified for doping and just the other day dying in a mysterious training accident.
Beijing loyalists have anointed an ex-security chief who oversaw the crackdown on Hong Kong's democracy movement as the region's new leader.
John Lee, 64, was the only candidate in the Beijing-backed race to succeed outgoing leader Carrie Lam.
The elevation of Lee, who is currently subject to US sanctions, places a security official in the top job for the first time amid a tumultuous few years for a city battered by political unrest and debilitating pandemic controls.
Anointed? Only candidate?
A hypothetical "Chinese PB.com" must be thoroughly boring!
There would be some interest in working out which posts would get the posters shot...
From the Times, which is all UK and slightly different to the BBC. The NEV is horrible for Labour and the England only seat gains are similar to the BBC numbers.
Honestly that NEV should be the cause of very loud alarm bells at Labour HQ, 35-33 is shocking at this stage. A 2 point lead is nothing, it reinforces my view that the Tories are on course for a slim majority even if they keep Boris.
2 point lead against basically Duck House flipping in a recession meets Profumo, Jonathan Aitken and Archer is lamentable How crap are labour?! Lutfur Rahman owned them and dhowed everyone how to do it. Just offer anything at all program of government wise and their support disintegrares
I really don't think the Lutfur Rahman model is one anyone would want expanded. Bad enough it's contain within Tower Hamlets.
It was wildly popular with the Electorate there and, as such, is a template for parts of inner London. It being from such a person is irrelevant as is not wanting it repeated or to work- it will be and it does. As this country grows and diversifies, the old goods on offer are insufficient. Aspire is what the future of inner London may look like. Labour need to recognize and counter that as merely bemoaning it will see them overwhelmed. Scotland 2010 to 2015 outcomes beckons always for the coalition of the not Tories.
How is it coming from a complete crook irrelevant? Scum like him and any group he leads should be opposed by all other people in political life, and any attempt to mirror the methods elsewhere uniformly opposed - it's nothing to do with the country 'diversifying' unless you think crooks are a natural followup to diversification.
Thanks for posting. Actually makes me think win was legit, but again, I am Sergeant Schultz - I know nothing!
FPT It's a short talk - a byway into Stalin's tactics 1929 - 1932 may be a little too much, even for my eloquence, let alone the audience!
When I am PB PM OTOH .....
Was just reading eye-witness account by Fitzroy MacLean in "Eastern Approaches" of purge trial in 1938 featuring Nikolai Bukharin. Who despite pleading guilty - for his own ideological imperative - gave even better than he got, in the courtroom anyway.
Still open question whether Stalin's massive late-30s purges of party, army, security, you name it, were a plus or minus to Soviets in the impending Great Patriotic War.
Thanks for posting. Actually makes me think win was legit, but again, I am Sergeant Schultz - I know nothing!
FPT It's a short talk - a byway into Stalin's tactics 1929 - 1932 may be a little too much, even for my eloquence, let alone the audience!
When I am PB PM OTOH .....
Was just reading eye-witness account by Fitzroy MacLean in "Eastern Approaches" of purge trial in 1938 featuring Nikolai Bukharin. Who despite pleading guilty - for his own ideological imperative - gave even better than he got, in the courtroom anyway.
Still open question whether Stalin's massive late-30s purges of party, army, security, you name it, were a plus or minus to Soviets in the impending Great Patriotic War.
No it isn't. There is no way they were a positive. Even Soviet historians gave up pretending otherwise.
22 Gains Labour - pathetic performance for the main opposition party SKS must go
You may be about to get your wish. Both the removal of Starmer and the re-election of Johnson who surely would go straight for an election.
Risky strategy unless ahead in the Polls
Sure. But its downhill all the way from here. The economy is shagged and getting worse, and they have no ideas how to fix it, and they don't care about peons anyway. So if Starmer and Rayner both say "I resign" isn't that the obvious time to spin the dice?
"I'm calling an election". Who is representing Labour? On what platform? Its something that no respectable politician of any party has done, but happily Johnson and his fans have no respect or morals to worry about.
I'm serious. If Starmer and Rayner quit, its the perfect opportunity for that snap election people have been musing about.
I’m still in the nothing to see with this story camp but in that case who would lead the party into an election. Would the PLP elect a leader.
The economy is in a mess and it is a global problem but this, lot don’t have a clue about mitigating it. They need to act quickly.
I've been saying "nothing to see" since the start and the "revelations" still haven't added anything of substance. But - and its a big but - Starmer and Rayner having to quit is now a viable proposition. So for all the reasons you list were I an unprincipled cnut like Johnson that is exactly why I would call an election.
I can't see HMQ granting a dissolution in such circumstances. The Lascelles Principles are still valid, aren't they?
Have they ever been seen in practice, do we know? I doubt the monarch would ever refuse.
It's interesting because on the PM head to heads and issues tracker the Tories are now behind Labour on almost everything.
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
Yes, very few Con -> Lab switchers and only a 2 point NEV lead now that all the results are in. There's no sugar coating it for either of the two parties. The voters don't like the Tories and they really hate Boris, but they also don't like Labour either and are wholly unconvinced by Starmer and now he's also likely to be tainted by a FPN.
Whichever party gets a plausible new leader first, wins?
We are definitely in Plague-on-both-your-houses territory
It might also be good for the country if they both go. They are both associated with the opposing extremes of the Brexit referendum. Boris is the Leave-leading Boris of the “lying” NHS Leave bus, Starmer is an outright Remoaner who wanted a 2nd vote. We cannot heal as a country - and we need to heal - while either of them is PM or LOTO
You'll be doing your bit on the healing then, will you?
It's interesting because on the PM head to heads and issues tracker the Tories are now behind Labour on almost everything.
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
Yes, very few Con -> Lab switchers and only a 2 point NEV lead now that all the results are in. There's no sugar coating it for either of the two parties. The voters don't like the Tories and they really hate Boris, but they also don't like Labour either and are wholly unconvinced by Starmer and now he's also likely to be tainted by a FPN.
If the Conservatives hadn't wallowed in immaturity and sleaze this last year then they would have been comfortably ahead and Starmer would now be heading for the exit door.
From the Times, which is all UK and slightly different to the BBC. The NEV is horrible for Labour and the England only seat gains are similar to the BBC numbers.
Honestly that NEV should be the cause of very loud alarm bells at Labour HQ, 35-33 is shocking at this stage. A 2 point lead is nothing, it reinforces my view that the Tories are on course for a slim majority even if they keep Boris.
2 point lead against basically Duck House flipping in a recession meets Profumo, Jonathan Aitken and Archer is lamentable How crap are labour?! Lutfur Rahman owned them and dhowed everyone how to do it. Just offer anything at all program of government wise and their support disintegrares
I really don't think the Lutfur Rahman model is one anyone would want expanded. Bad enough it's contain within Tower Hamlets.
It was wildly popular with the Electorate there and, as such, is a template for parts of inner London. It being from such a person is irrelevant as is not wanting it repeated or to work- it will be and it does. As this country grows and diversifies, the old goods on offer are insufficient. Aspire is what the future of inner London may look like. Labour need to recognize and counter that as merely bemoaning it will see them overwhelmed. Scotland 2010 to 2015 outcomes beckons always for the coalition of the not Tories.
How is it coming from a complete crook irrelevant? Scum like him and any group he leads should be opposed by all other people in political life, and any attempt to mirror the methods elsewhere uniformly opposed - it's nothing to do with the country 'diversifying' unless you think crooks are a natural followup to diversification.
Agree, it would be terrible.
However - and to be slightly controversial here - Rahman's actions would be considered normal political practices in the cultures from which many of the Aspire voters come from. It needs a better message to counteract than "he's a crook"
making a point this year to watch as many UK based films as possible at the cinema to support UK film,cinema and well just because they are more intelligent that your Hollywood stuff in the main.
Saw Downton Abbey today after watching recently Operation Mincemeat Death on the Nile Phantom of the Open The Duke
Liked them all really but Downton Abbey surprised me with its mix of humour, taking the mick out of itself in parts (it has become a caricature of itself ) , intelligence and emotion . It is very stylish as always
Thanks for posting. Actually makes me think win was legit, but again, I am Sergeant Schultz - I know nothing!
FPT It's a short talk - a byway into Stalin's tactics 1929 - 1932 may be a little too much, even for my eloquence, let alone the audience!
When I am PB PM OTOH .....
Was just reading eye-witness account by Fitzroy MacLean in "Eastern Approaches" of purge trial in 1938 featuring Nikolai Bukharin. Who despite pleading guilty - for his own ideological imperative - gave even better than he got, in the courtroom anyway.
Still open question whether Stalin's massive late-30s purges of party, army, security, you name it, were a plus or minus to Soviets in the impending Great Patriotic War.
No it isn't. There is no way they were a positive. Even Soviet historians gave up pretending otherwise.
That's my view in general.
But it's a fact that when he took charge as US Army Chief of Staff in 1940, Gen. George Marshall - himself advanced over scores of superior officers by FDR - had to rid the higher ranks of deadwood accumulated as result of WW1 seniority.
Also a fact - again speaking of generals - that Stalin secured the WW2 services of Gen. Konstantin Rokossovsky by having the foresight NOT to execute him, but instead sending him to the Gulag in Siberia, where he was located, freed and put to work helping the Red Army hold and roll back the Germans.
From the Times, which is all UK and slightly different to the BBC. The NEV is horrible for Labour and the England only seat gains are similar to the BBC numbers.
Honestly that NEV should be the cause of very loud alarm bells at Labour HQ, 35-33 is shocking at this stage. A 2 point lead is nothing, it reinforces my view that the Tories are on course for a slim majority even if they keep Boris.
2 point lead against basically Duck House flipping in a recession meets Profumo, Jonathan Aitken and Archer is lamentable How crap are labour?! Lutfur Rahman owned them and dhowed everyone how to do it. Just offer anything at all program of government wise and their support disintegrares
I really don't think the Lutfur Rahman model is one anyone would want expanded. Bad enough it's contain within Tower Hamlets.
It was wildly popular with the Electorate there and, as such, is a template for parts of inner London. It being from such a person is irrelevant as is not wanting it repeated or to work- it will be and it does. As this country grows and diversifies, the old goods on offer are insufficient. Aspire is what the future of inner London may look like. Labour need to recognize and counter that as merely bemoaning it will see them overwhelmed. Scotland 2010 to 2015 outcomes beckons always for the coalition of the not Tories.
How is it coming from a complete crook irrelevant? Scum like him and any group he leads should be opposed by all other people in political life, and any attempt to mirror the methods elsewhere uniformly opposed - it's nothing to do with the country 'diversifying' unless you think crooks are a natural followup to diversification.
Agree, it would be terrible.
However - and to be slightly controversial here - Rahman's actions would be considered normal political practices in the cultures from which many of the Aspire voters come from. It needs a better message to counteract than "he's a crook"
Is you referring to the Subcontinent by any chance?
"Indian politicians brush off crime accusations in world’s largest democracy Rise of candidates facing serious charges including kidnap and murder alarms observers"
From the Times, which is all UK and slightly different to the BBC. The NEV is horrible for Labour and the England only seat gains are similar to the BBC numbers.
Honestly that NEV should be the cause of very loud alarm bells at Labour HQ, 35-33 is shocking at this stage. A 2 point lead is nothing, it reinforces my view that the Tories are on course for a slim majority even if they keep Boris.
2 point lead against basically Duck House flipping in a recession meets Profumo, Jonathan Aitken and Archer is lamentable How crap are labour?! Lutfur Rahman owned them and dhowed everyone how to do it. Just offer anything at all program of government wise and their support disintegrares
I really don't think the Lutfur Rahman model is one anyone would want expanded. Bad enough it's contain within Tower Hamlets.
It was wildly popular with the Electorate there and, as such, is a template for parts of inner London. It being from such a person is irrelevant as is not wanting it repeated or to work- it will be and it does. As this country grows and diversifies, the old goods on offer are insufficient. Aspire is what the future of inner London may look like. Labour need to recognize and counter that as merely bemoaning it will see them overwhelmed. Scotland 2010 to 2015 outcomes beckons always for the coalition of the not Tories.
How is it coming from a complete crook irrelevant? Scum like him and any group he leads should be opposed by all other people in political life, and any attempt to mirror the methods elsewhere uniformly opposed - it's nothing to do with the country 'diversifying' unless you think crooks are a natural followup to diversification.
Agree, it would be terrible.
However - and to be slightly controversial here - Rahman's actions would be considered normal political practices in the cultures from which many of the Aspire voters come from. It needs a better message to counteract than "he's a crook"
22 Gains Labour - pathetic performance for the main opposition party SKS must go
You may be about to get your wish. Both the removal of Starmer and the re-election of Johnson who surely would go straight for an election.
Risky strategy unless ahead in the Polls
Sure. But its downhill all the way from here. The economy is shagged and getting worse, and they have no ideas how to fix it, and they don't care about peons anyway. So if Starmer and Rayner both say "I resign" isn't that the obvious time to spin the dice?
"I'm calling an election". Who is representing Labour? On what platform? Its something that no respectable politician of any party has done, but happily Johnson and his fans have no respect or morals to worry about.
I'm serious. If Starmer and Rayner quit, its the perfect opportunity for that snap election people have been musing about.
I’m still in the nothing to see with this story camp but in that case who would lead the party into an election. Would the PLP elect a leader.
The economy is in a mess and it is a global problem but this, lot don’t have a clue about mitigating it. They need to act quickly.
I've been saying "nothing to see" since the start and the "revelations" still haven't added anything of substance. But - and its a big but - Starmer and Rayner having to quit is now a viable proposition. So for all the reasons you list were I an unprincipled cnut like Johnson that is exactly why I would call an election.
I can't see HMQ granting a dissolution in such circumstances. The Lascelles Principles are still valid, aren't they?
Have they ever been seen in practice, do we know? I doubt the monarch would ever refuse.
Not in this country, but in other countries of which she is queen IIRC.
I would think refusal unlikely in normal circumstances. But we're positing a situation where an unconventional PM tries to take advantage of the main opposition party being temporarily leaderless - this would surely be deemed "not cricket".
making a point this year to watch as many UK based films as possible at the cinema to support UK film,cinema and well just because they are more intelligent that your Hollywood stuff in the main.
Saw Downton Abbey today after watching recently Operation Mincemeat Death on the Nile Phantom of the Open The Duke
Liked them all really but Downton Abbey surprised me with its mix of humour, taking the mick out of itself in parts (it has become a caricature of itself ) , intelligence and emotion . It is very stylish as always
I've seen the top three, all were decent. I liked Downton Abbey the best, but that's probably as a fan, it was like they had a checklist to tie up every loose end.
I confess the trailers for The Duke didn't really sell me on the film. It looked very very British.
It's interesting because on the PM head to heads and issues tracker the Tories are now behind Labour on almost everything.
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
Yes, very few Con -> Lab switchers and only a 2 point NEV lead now that all the results are in. There's no sugar coating it for either of the two parties. The voters don't like the Tories and they really hate Boris, but they also don't like Labour either and are wholly unconvinced by Starmer and now he's also likely to be tainted by a FPN.
If the Conservatives hadn't wallowed in immaturity and sleaze this last year then they would have been comfortably ahead and Starmer would now be heading for the exit door.
Is that a parody post? Starmer is heading for the exit door.
22 Gains Labour - pathetic performance for the main opposition party SKS must go
You may be about to get your wish. Both the removal of Starmer and the re-election of Johnson who surely would go straight for an election.
Risky strategy unless ahead in the Polls
Sure. But its downhill all the way from here. The economy is shagged and getting worse, and they have no ideas how to fix it, and they don't care about peons anyway. So if Starmer and Rayner both say "I resign" isn't that the obvious time to spin the dice?
"I'm calling an election". Who is representing Labour? On what platform? Its something that no respectable politician of any party has done, but happily Johnson and his fans have no respect or morals to worry about.
I'm serious. If Starmer and Rayner quit, its the perfect opportunity for that snap election people have been musing about.
I’m still in the nothing to see with this story camp but in that case who would lead the party into an election. Would the PLP elect a leader.
The economy is in a mess and it is a global problem but this, lot don’t have a clue about mitigating it. They need to act quickly.
I've been saying "nothing to see" since the start and the "revelations" still haven't added anything of substance. But - and its a big but - Starmer and Rayner having to quit is now a viable proposition. So for all the reasons you list were I an unprincipled cnut like Johnson that is exactly why I would call an election.
I can't see HMQ granting a dissolution in such circumstances. The Lascelles Principles are still valid, aren't they?
Have they ever been seen in practice, do we know? I doubt the monarch would ever refuse.
Not in this country, but in other countries of which she is queen IIRC.
I would think refusal unlikely in normal circumstances. But we're positing a situation where an unconventional PM tries to take advantage of the main opposition party being temporarily leaderless - this would surely be deemed "not cricket".
But even deeming it not cricket would be Political, unlike for some reason her intervention in indyref 1, so it would go through ont he nod. .
I cited the Principles on the previous thread. None of them refer to the LOTO being incapacitated.
From the Times, which is all UK and slightly different to the BBC. The NEV is horrible for Labour and the England only seat gains are similar to the BBC numbers.
Honestly that NEV should be the cause of very loud alarm bells at Labour HQ, 35-33 is shocking at this stage. A 2 point lead is nothing, it reinforces my view that the Tories are on course for a slim majority even if they keep Boris.
2 point lead against basically Duck House flipping in a recession meets Profumo, Jonathan Aitken and Archer is lamentable How crap are labour?! Lutfur Rahman owned them and dhowed everyone how to do it. Just offer anything at all program of government wise and their support disintegrares
I really don't think the Lutfur Rahman model is one anyone would want expanded. Bad enough it's contain within Tower Hamlets.
It was wildly popular with the Electorate there and, as such, is a template for parts of inner London. It being from such a person is irrelevant as is not wanting it repeated or to work- it will be and it does. As this country grows and diversifies, the old goods on offer are insufficient. Aspire is what the future of inner London may look like. Labour need to recognize and counter that as merely bemoaning it will see them overwhelmed. Scotland 2010 to 2015 outcomes beckons always for the coalition of the not Tories.
How is it coming from a complete crook irrelevant? Scum like him and any group he leads should be opposed by all other people in political life, and any attempt to mirror the methods elsewhere uniformly opposed - it's nothing to do with the country 'diversifying' unless you think crooks are a natural followup to diversification.
Agree, it would be terrible.
However - and to be slightly controversial here - Rahman's actions would be considered normal political practices in the cultures from which many of the Aspire voters come from. It needs a better message to counteract than "he's a crook"
Perhaps, but it should also be restated at every opportunity that he is one, particularly since he maintains he did nothing wrong (if he did, I'd not be as worried by his reentering public life), and he cannot credibly complain about the label.
making a point this year to watch as many UK based films as possible at the cinema to support UK film,cinema and well just because they are more intelligent that your Hollywood stuff in the main.
Saw Downton Abbey today after watching recently Operation Mincemeat Death on the Nile Phantom of the Open The Duke
Liked them all really but Downton Abbey surprised me with its mix of humour, taking the mick out of itself in parts (it has become a caricature of itself ) , intelligence and emotion . It is very stylish as always
I've seen the top three, all were decent. I liked Downton Abbey the best, but that's probably as a fan, it was like they had a checklist to tie up every loose end.
I confess the trailers for The Duke didn't really sell me on the film. It looked very very British.
the Duke was far better than the trailers . It was deeper than I thought it would be (as was Phantom of the Open) and The Duke even had a twist that was completely un-signposted until it happened
Beijing loyalists have anointed an ex-security chief who oversaw the crackdown on Hong Kong's democracy movement as the region's new leader.
John Lee, 64, was the only candidate in the Beijing-backed race to succeed outgoing leader Carrie Lam.
The elevation of Lee, who is currently subject to US sanctions, places a security official in the top job for the first time amid a tumultuous few years for a city battered by political unrest and debilitating pandemic controls.
Anointed? Only candidate?
A hypothetical "Chinese PB.com" must be thoroughly boring!
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
Thanks for posting. Actually makes me think win was legit, but again, I am Sergeant Schultz - I know nothing!
FPT It's a short talk - a byway into Stalin's tactics 1929 - 1932 may be a little too much, even for my eloquence, let alone the audience!
When I am PB PM OTOH .....
Was just reading eye-witness account by Fitzroy MacLean in "Eastern Approaches" of purge trial in 1938 featuring Nikolai Bukharin. Who despite pleading guilty - for his own ideological imperative - gave even better than he got, in the courtroom anyway.
Still open question whether Stalin's massive late-30s purges of party, army, security, you name it, were a plus or minus to Soviets in the impending Great Patriotic War.
No it isn't. There is no way they were a positive. Even Soviet historians gave up pretending otherwise.
That's my view in general.
But it's a fact that when he took charge as US Army Chief of Staff in 1940, Gen. George Marshall - himself advanced over scores of superior officers by FDR - had to rid the higher ranks of deadwood accumulated as result of WW1 seniority.
Also a fact - again speaking of generals - that Stalin secured the WW2 services of Gen. Konstantin Rokossovsky by having the foresight NOT to execute him, but instead sending him to the Gulag in Siberia, where he was located, freed and put to work helping the Red Army hold and roll back the Germans.
There wasn't lots of dead wood in the Russian Army. It had been rebuilt pretty much from scratch for the Civil War. In fact, it contained many of the most forward thinking generals of their generation, the likes of Tukhachevsky and Yakir who were early exponents of tank warfare. Without them, the Russians looked inept in the Winter War and almost collapsed without a fight against Barbarossa. Officers were so frightened of being shot if they got things wrong they never gave their units orders to fire.
Do not confuse it with long established militaries, like say, ours or the US one where a bunch of 'old X's boys' get promoted due to their connections. Yes, connections were important, but you had to actually be good to make them.
22 Gains Labour - pathetic performance for the main opposition party SKS must go
You may be about to get your wish. Both the removal of Starmer and the re-election of Johnson who surely would go straight for an election.
Risky strategy unless ahead in the Polls
Sure. But its downhill all the way from here. The economy is shagged and getting worse, and they have no ideas how to fix it, and they don't care about peons anyway. So if Starmer and Rayner both say "I resign" isn't that the obvious time to spin the dice?
"I'm calling an election". Who is representing Labour? On what platform? Its something that no respectable politician of any party has done, but happily Johnson and his fans have no respect or morals to worry about.
I'm serious. If Starmer and Rayner quit, its the perfect opportunity for that snap election people have been musing about.
I’m still in the nothing to see with this story camp but in that case who would lead the party into an election. Would the PLP elect a leader.
The economy is in a mess and it is a global problem but this, lot don’t have a clue about mitigating it. They need to act quickly.
I've been saying "nothing to see" since the start and the "revelations" still haven't added anything of substance. But - and its a big but - Starmer and Rayner having to quit is now a viable proposition. So for all the reasons you list were I an unprincipled cnut like Johnson that is exactly why I would call an election.
I can't see HMQ granting a dissolution in such circumstances. The Lascelles Principles are still valid, aren't they?
Have they ever been seen in practice, do we know? I doubt the monarch would ever refuse.
Not in this country, but in other countries of which she is queen IIRC.
I would think refusal unlikely in normal circumstances. But we're positing a situation where an unconventional PM tries to take advantage of the main opposition party being temporarily leaderless - this would surely be deemed "not cricket".
But even deeming it not cricket would be Political, unlike for some reason her intervention in indyref 1, so it would go through ont he nod. .
I cited the Principles on the previous thread. None of them refer to the LOTO being incapacitated.
No, but the Tories still have a majority over 70, so the first and third Principles are met - so it would just come down to an assessment on the second one. And it's certainly arguable in the current circumstances that fucking around with an unnecessary general election because the LOTO and his deputy had imploded would trigger that.
It's interesting because on the PM head to heads and issues tracker the Tories are now behind Labour on almost everything.
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
Yes, very few Con -> Lab switchers and only a 2 point NEV lead now that all the results are in. There's no sugar coating it for either of the two parties. The voters don't like the Tories and they really hate Boris, but they also don't like Labour either and are wholly unconvinced by Starmer and now he's also likely to be tainted by a FPN.
If the Conservatives hadn't wallowed in immaturity and sleaze this last year then they would have been comfortably ahead and Starmer would now be heading for the exit door.
Probably right. But that came with who they chose to lead them. Part of the deal. You can't have Boris Johnson AND retain your dignity. This goes for the Tories and also for the country.
Thanks for posting. Actually makes me think win was legit, but again, I am Sergeant Schultz - I know nothing!
FPT It's a short talk - a byway into Stalin's tactics 1929 - 1932 may be a little too much, even for my eloquence, let alone the audience!
When I am PB PM OTOH .....
Was just reading eye-witness account by Fitzroy MacLean in "Eastern Approaches" of purge trial in 1938 featuring Nikolai Bukharin. Who despite pleading guilty - for his own ideological imperative - gave even better than he got, in the courtroom anyway.
Still open question whether Stalin's massive late-30s purges of party, army, security, you name it, were a plus or minus to Soviets in the impending Great Patriotic War.
No it isn't. There is no way they were a positive. Even Soviet historians gave up pretending otherwise.
That's my view in general.
But it's a fact that when he took charge as US Army Chief of Staff in 1940, Gen. George Marshall - himself advanced over scores of superior officers by FDR - had to rid the higher ranks of deadwood accumulated as result of WW1 seniority.
Also a fact - again speaking of generals - that Stalin secured the WW2 services of Gen. Konstantin Rokossovsky by having the foresight NOT to execute him, but instead sending him to the Gulag in Siberia, where he was located, freed and put to work helping the Red Army hold and roll back the Germans.
On the theory that American ww2 generals were successful because, if they were stuck, they'd be rotated out to another theatre (unless I've found the wrong lecture)
From the Times, which is all UK and slightly different to the BBC. The NEV is horrible for Labour and the England only seat gains are similar to the BBC numbers.
Honestly that NEV should be the cause of very loud alarm bells at Labour HQ, 35-33 is shocking at this stage. A 2 point lead is nothing, it reinforces my view that the Tories are on course for a slim majority even if they keep Boris.
2 point lead against basically Duck House flipping in a recession meets Profumo, Jonathan Aitken and Archer is lamentable How crap are labour?! Lutfur Rahman owned them and dhowed everyone how to do it. Just offer anything at all program of government wise and their support disintegrares
I really don't think the Lutfur Rahman model is one anyone would want expanded. Bad enough it's contain within Tower Hamlets.
It was wildly popular with the Electorate there and, as such, is a template for parts of inner London. It being from such a person is irrelevant as is not wanting it repeated or to work- it will be and it does. As this country grows and diversifies, the old goods on offer are insufficient. Aspire is what the future of inner London may look like. Labour need to recognize and counter that as merely bemoaning it will see them overwhelmed. Scotland 2010 to 2015 outcomes beckons always for the coalition of the not Tories.
How is it coming from a complete crook irrelevant? Scum like him and any group he leads should be opposed by all other people in political life, and any attempt to mirror the methods elsewhere uniformly opposed - it's nothing to do with the country 'diversifying' unless you think crooks are a natural followup to diversification.
Agree, it would be terrible.
However - and to be slightly controversial here - Rahman's actions would be considered normal political practices in the cultures from which many of the Aspire voters come from. It needs a better message to counteract than "he's a crook"
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
Was Jess Phillips at Durham for Currygate? Just asking.
Hopefully
Are you hellbent on Conservative Governments in perpetuity BJO? What two bit loser do you have in mind to lead Labour into oblivion? Remember Andy Burnham is UNAVAILABLE!
Beijing loyalists have anointed an ex-security chief who oversaw the crackdown on Hong Kong's democracy movement as the region's new leader.
John Lee, 64, was the only candidate in the Beijing-backed race to succeed outgoing leader Carrie Lam.
The elevation of Lee, who is currently subject to US sanctions, places a security official in the top job for the first time amid a tumultuous few years for a city battered by political unrest and debilitating pandemic controls.
Anointed? Only candidate?
A hypothetical "Chinese PB.com" must be thoroughly boring!
There would be some interest in working out which posts would get the posters shot...
How do the feel about Radiohead or Pineapple as a pizza topping? Thats what we need to know.
It's interesting because on the PM head to heads and issues tracker the Tories are now behind Labour on almost everything.
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
Yes, very few Con -> Lab switchers and only a 2 point NEV lead now that all the results are in. There's no sugar coating it for either of the two parties. The voters don't like the Tories and they really hate Boris, but they also don't like Labour either and are wholly unconvinced by Starmer and now he's also likely to be tainted by a FPN.
If the Conservatives hadn't wallowed in immaturity and sleaze this last year then they would have been comfortably ahead and Starmer would now be heading for the exit door.
Is that a parody post? Starmer is heading for the exit door.
Betting opp for punters who think this. 4s available.
From the Times, which is all UK and slightly different to the BBC. The NEV is horrible for Labour and the England only seat gains are similar to the BBC numbers.
Honestly that NEV should be the cause of very loud alarm bells at Labour HQ, 35-33 is shocking at this stage. A 2 point lead is nothing, it reinforces my view that the Tories are on course for a slim majority even if they keep Boris.
2 point lead against basically Duck House flipping in a recession meets Profumo, Jonathan Aitken and Archer is lamentable How crap are labour?! Lutfur Rahman owned them and dhowed everyone how to do it. Just offer anything at all program of government wise and their support disintegrares
I really don't think the Lutfur Rahman model is one anyone would want expanded. Bad enough it's contain within Tower Hamlets.
It was wildly popular with the Electorate there and, as such, is a template for parts of inner London. It being from such a person is irrelevant as is not wanting it repeated or to work- it will be and it does. As this country grows and diversifies, the old goods on offer are insufficient. Aspire is what the future of inner London may look like. Labour need to recognize and counter that as merely bemoaning it will see them overwhelmed. Scotland 2010 to 2015 outcomes beckons always for the coalition of the not Tories.
How is it coming from a complete crook irrelevant? Scum like him and any group he leads should be opposed by all other people in political life, and any attempt to mirror the methods elsewhere uniformly opposed - it's nothing to do with the country 'diversifying' unless you think crooks are a natural followup to diversification.
It's irrelevant to the facts on the ground. What he has done has worked. I said labour need to counter it, that means offering something to attract back voters. Stamping their feet and saying 'bad man' as they lose seats won't cut it. As the law stands he is now as entitled to run for office or lead a party as anyone. That might leave a sour taste in the mouth but it is what it is and complaining about it as a tactic will just drive further support to him as he plays the anti establishment outsider and portrays himself as a victim of casual racist tropes. I'm not suggesting anyone repeat the template that saw him prosecuted and banned for 5 years, but look at what he has offered the people of TH this time around that has made them flock to his banner. And I'm sorry but diversification means there will be more required in some areas than generic party offers. You counter all of this by giving something positive to vote for, nationally and then tailored locally as the circumstances dictate, not by saying 'well people like him shouldn't even be allowed in the game ' cos he is, like it or not.
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
Off topic
A very poor "set" of elections? Wales and Scotland don't count then.
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
It wasn’t just him. I posted at 05:30 the morning after, when I woke up and saw the England scoreboard. I said I was shocked by how poorly Labour were doing. Several posters told me off for talking nonsense, including Heathener. Turns out I was bang on the mark.
Thanks for posting. Actually makes me think win was legit, but again, I am Sergeant Schultz - I know nothing!
FPT It's a short talk - a byway into Stalin's tactics 1929 - 1932 may be a little too much, even for my eloquence, let alone the audience!
When I am PB PM OTOH .....
Was just reading eye-witness account by Fitzroy MacLean in "Eastern Approaches" of purge trial in 1938 featuring Nikolai Bukharin. Who despite pleading guilty - for his own ideological imperative - gave even better than he got, in the courtroom anyway.
Still open question whether Stalin's massive late-30s purges of party, army, security, you name it, were a plus or minus to Soviets in the impending Great Patriotic War.
No it isn't. There is no way they were a positive. Even Soviet historians gave up pretending otherwise.
That's my view in general.
But it's a fact that when he took charge as US Army Chief of Staff in 1940, Gen. George Marshall - himself advanced over scores of superior officers by FDR - had to rid the higher ranks of deadwood accumulated as result of WW1 seniority.
Also a fact - again speaking of generals - that Stalin secured the WW2 services of Gen. Konstantin Rokossovsky by having the foresight NOT to execute him, but instead sending him to the Gulag in Siberia, where he was located, freed and put to work helping the Red Army hold and roll back the Germans.
There wasn't lots of dead wood in the Russian Army. It had been rebuilt pretty much from scratch for the Civil War. In fact, it contained many of the most forward thinking generals of their generation, the likes of Tukhachevsky and Yakir who were early exponents of tank warfare. Without them, the Russians looked inept in the Winter War and almost collapsed without a fight against Barbarossa. Officers were so frightened of being shot if they got things wrong they never gave their units orders to fire.
Do not confuse it with long established militaries, like say, ours or the US one where a bunch of 'old X's boys' get promoted due to their connections. Yes, connections were important, but you had to actually be good to make them.
Tukhachevsky was a scumbag - but one with a brain.
The problem was that he, and the other exponents of combined are warfare, were a bit too clever for Stalin. In DictatorWorld, being cleverer than the boss = the chop.
So, while the tank designers kept on working away, the doctrine remained that tanks were infantry support vehicles rather than an arm in their own right. And the Red Army kept it's cavalry...
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
Off topic
A very poor "set" of elections? Wales and Scotland don't count then.
Wales was good. Scotland was a big disappointment.
It's interesting because on the PM head to heads and issues tracker the Tories are now behind Labour on almost everything.
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
Yes, very few Con -> Lab switchers and only a 2 point NEV lead now that all the results are in. There's no sugar coating it for either of the two parties. The voters don't like the Tories and they really hate Boris, but they also don't like Labour either and are wholly unconvinced by Starmer and now he's also likely to be tainted by a FPN.
If the Conservatives hadn't wallowed in immaturity and sleaze this last year then they would have been comfortably ahead and Starmer would now be heading for the exit door.
Probably right. But that came with who they chose to lead them. Part of the deal. You can't have Boris Johnson AND retain your dignity. This goes for the Tories and also for the country.
As someone who tries to learn from mistakes the refusal of Boris to do so is the most aggravating thing about him.
Its not that he isn't capable - Nick Palmer told a good anecdote of how Boris can research details when he wants to.
But its not just Boris - there's been too much immaturity, sleaze and general slackness in the government and the Conservative party overall.
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
Labour ended up with more than double the number of seats the Tories got and more than THREE TIMES the number of LibDems!
Thanks for posting. Actually makes me think win was legit, but again, I am Sergeant Schultz - I know nothing!
FPT It's a short talk - a byway into Stalin's tactics 1929 - 1932 may be a little too much, even for my eloquence, let alone the audience!
When I am PB PM OTOH .....
Was just reading eye-witness account by Fitzroy MacLean in "Eastern Approaches" of purge trial in 1938 featuring Nikolai Bukharin. Who despite pleading guilty - for his own ideological imperative - gave even better than he got, in the courtroom anyway.
Still open question whether Stalin's massive late-30s purges of party, army, security, you name it, were a plus or minus to Soviets in the impending Great Patriotic War.
No it isn't. There is no way they were a positive. Even Soviet historians gave up pretending otherwise.
That's my view in general.
But it's a fact that when he took charge as US Army Chief of Staff in 1940, Gen. George Marshall - himself advanced over scores of superior officers by FDR - had to rid the higher ranks of deadwood accumulated as result of WW1 seniority.
Also a fact - again speaking of generals - that Stalin secured the WW2 services of Gen. Konstantin Rokossovsky by having the foresight NOT to execute him, but instead sending him to the Gulag in Siberia, where he was located, freed and put to work helping the Red Army hold and roll back the Germans.
There wasn't lots of dead wood in the Russian Army. It had been rebuilt pretty much from scratch for the Civil War. In fact, it contained many of the most forward thinking generals of their generation, the likes of Tukhachevsky and Yakir who were early exponents of tank warfare. Without them, the Russians looked inept in the Winter War and almost collapsed without a fight against Barbarossa. Officers were so frightened of being shot if they got things wrong they never gave their units orders to fire.
Do not confuse it with long established militaries, like say, ours or the US one where a bunch of 'old X's boys' get promoted due to their connections. Yes, connections were important, but you had to actually be good to make them.
Tukhachevsky was a scumbag - but one with a brain.
The problem was that he, and the other exponents of combined are warfare, were a bit too clever for Stalin. In DictatorWorld, being cleverer than the boss = the chop.
So, while the tank designers kept on working away, the doctrine remained that tanks were infantry support vehicles rather than an arm in their own right. And the Red Army kept it's cavalry...
If you can name a leading Bolshevik who wasn't a scumbag...
Thanks for posting. Actually makes me think win was legit, but again, I am Sergeant Schultz - I know nothing!
FPT It's a short talk - a byway into Stalin's tactics 1929 - 1932 may be a little too much, even for my eloquence, let alone the audience!
When I am PB PM OTOH .....
Was just reading eye-witness account by Fitzroy MacLean in "Eastern Approaches" of purge trial in 1938 featuring Nikolai Bukharin. Who despite pleading guilty - for his own ideological imperative - gave even better than he got, in the courtroom anyway.
Still open question whether Stalin's massive late-30s purges of party, army, security, you name it, were a plus or minus to Soviets in the impending Great Patriotic War.
No it isn't. There is no way they were a positive. Even Soviet historians gave up pretending otherwise.
That's my view in general.
But it's a fact that when he took charge as US Army Chief of Staff in 1940, Gen. George Marshall - himself advanced over scores of superior officers by FDR - had to rid the higher ranks of deadwood accumulated as result of WW1 seniority.
Also a fact - again speaking of generals - that Stalin secured the WW2 services of Gen. Konstantin Rokossovsky by having the foresight NOT to execute him, but instead sending him to the Gulag in Siberia, where he was located, freed and put to work helping the Red Army hold and roll back the Germans.
There wasn't lots of dead wood in the Russian Army. It had been rebuilt pretty much from scratch for the Civil War. In fact, it contained many of the most forward thinking generals of their generation, the likes of Tukhachevsky and Yakir who were early exponents of tank warfare. Without them, the Russians looked inept in the Winter War and almost collapsed without a fight against Barbarossa. Officers were so frightened of being shot if they got things wrong they never gave their units orders to fire.
Do not confuse it with long established militaries, like say, ours or the US one where a bunch of 'old X's boys' get promoted due to their connections. Yes, connections were important, but you had to actually be good to make them.
Tukhachevsky was a scumbag - but one with a brain.
The problem was that he, and the other exponents of combined are warfare, were a bit too clever for Stalin. In DictatorWorld, being cleverer than the boss = the chop.
So, while the tank designers kept on working away, the doctrine remained that tanks were infantry support vehicles rather than an arm in their own right. And the Red Army kept it's cavalry...
If you can name a leading Bolshevik who wasn't a scumbag...
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
It wasn’t just him. I posted at 05:30 the morning after, when I woke up and saw the England scoreboard. I said I was shocked by how poorly Labour were doing. Several posters told me off for talking nonsense, including Heathener. Turns out I was bang on the mark.
In my opinion, these results just aren't good enough for Labour and they are hopefully conducting an internal review on the quiet as to where they go next. After 12 years of Tory administrations with a economic storm hitting and now unpopular PM, Labour should be making leaps and bounds.
22 Gains Labour - pathetic performance for the main opposition party SKS must go
You may be about to get your wish. Both the removal of Starmer and the re-election of Johnson who surely would go straight for an election.
Risky strategy unless ahead in the Polls
Sure. But its downhill all the way from here. The economy is shagged and getting worse, and they have no ideas how to fix it, and they don't care about peons anyway. So if Starmer and Rayner both say "I resign" isn't that the obvious time to spin the dice?
"I'm calling an election". Who is representing Labour? On what platform? Its something that no respectable politician of any party has done, but happily Johnson and his fans have no respect or morals to worry about.
I'm serious. If Starmer and Rayner quit, its the perfect opportunity for that snap election people have been musing about.
I’m still in the nothing to see with this story camp but in that case who would lead the party into an election. Would the PLP elect a leader.
The economy is in a mess and it is a global problem but this, lot don’t have a clue about mitigating it. They need to act quickly.
I've been saying "nothing to see" since the start and the "revelations" still haven't added anything of substance. But - and its a big but - Starmer and Rayner having to quit is now a viable proposition. So for all the reasons you list were I an unprincipled cnut like Johnson that is exactly why I would call an election.
I can't see HMQ granting a dissolution in such circumstances. The Lascelles Principles are still valid, aren't they?
Have they ever been seen in practice, do we know? I doubt the monarch would ever refuse.
Not in this country, but in other countries of which she is queen IIRC.
I would think refusal unlikely in normal circumstances. But we're positing a situation where an unconventional PM tries to take advantage of the main opposition party being temporarily leaderless - this would surely be deemed "not cricket".
But even deeming it not cricket would be Political, unlike for some reason her intervention in indyref 1, so it would go through ont he nod. .
I cited the Principles on the previous thread. None of them refer to the LOTO being incapacitated.
No, but the Tories still have a majority over 70, so the first and third Principles are met - so it would just come down to an assessment on the second one. And it's certainly arguable in the current circumstances that fucking around with an unnecessary general election because the LOTO and his deputy had imploded would trigger that.
Butd arguably any general election is unnecessary till it comes to the time limit (however defined). It's well accepted that PMs try to game the system by picking their time (the FPA excepted obvs)..
It's interesting because on the PM head to heads and issues tracker the Tories are now behind Labour on almost everything.
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
Yes, very few Con -> Lab switchers and only a 2 point NEV lead now that all the results are in. There's no sugar coating it for either of the two parties. The voters don't like the Tories and they really hate Boris, but they also don't like Labour either and are wholly unconvinced by Starmer and now he's also likely to be tainted by a FPN.
If the Conservatives hadn't wallowed in immaturity and sleaze this last year then they would have been comfortably ahead and Starmer would now be heading for the exit door.
Is that a parody post? Starmer is heading for the exit door.
Betting opp for punters who think this. 4s available.
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
It wasn’t just him. I posted at 05:30 the morning after, when I woke up and saw the England scoreboard. I said I was shocked by how poorly Labour were doing. Several posters told me off for talking nonsense, including Heathener. Turns out I was bang on the mark.
What you mean Heathener was actually wrong? Surely not?
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
It wasn’t just him. I posted at 05:30 the morning after, when I woke up and saw the England scoreboard. I said I was shocked by how poorly Labour were doing. Several posters told me off for talking nonsense, including Heathener. Turns out I was bang on the mark.
What you mean Heathener was actually wrong? Surely not?
And weirdly government wasn’t planning autumn lockdowns in 2021 either.
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
It wasn’t just him. I posted at 05:30 the morning after, when I woke up and saw the England scoreboard. I said I was shocked by how poorly Labour were doing. Several posters told me off for talking nonsense, including Heathener. Turns out I was bang on the mark.
Even in London, it was basically a score draw but it won't stop people saying London is a Labour city.
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
Labour ended up with more than double the number of seats the Tories got and more than THREE TIMES the number of LibDems!
The stuff of dreams, legends, and a commentator who failed to notice the winner until just before the line.
That was hilarious. Reminded me of when Donovan Bailey won the Olympic 100m.
"And Greene going well, so's Ato Bolden, Greene pumping now, Bolden coming back at him, looking strong, Greene, Bolden, two of them locked, Greene, Greene, Bolden ... BAILEY!"
22 Gains Labour - pathetic performance for the main opposition party SKS must go
You may be about to get your wish. Both the removal of Starmer and the re-election of Johnson who surely would go straight for an election.
Risky strategy unless ahead in the Polls
Sure. But its downhill all the way from here. The economy is shagged and getting worse, and they have no ideas how to fix it, and they don't care about peons anyway. So if Starmer and Rayner both say "I resign" isn't that the obvious time to spin the dice?
"I'm calling an election". Who is representing Labour? On what platform? Its something that no respectable politician of any party has done, but happily Johnson and his fans have no respect or morals to worry about.
I'm serious. If Starmer and Rayner quit, its the perfect opportunity for that snap election people have been musing about.
I’m still in the nothing to see with this story camp but in that case who would lead the party into an election. Would the PLP elect a leader.
The economy is in a mess and it is a global problem but this, lot don’t have a clue about mitigating it. They need to act quickly.
I've been saying "nothing to see" since the start and the "revelations" still haven't added anything of substance. But - and its a big but - Starmer and Rayner having to quit is now a viable proposition. So for all the reasons you list were I an unprincipled cnut like Johnson that is exactly why I would call an election.
I can't see HMQ granting a dissolution in such circumstances. The Lascelles Principles are still valid, aren't they?
Have they ever been seen in practice, do we know? I doubt the monarch would ever refuse.
Not in this country, but in other countries of which she is queen IIRC.
I would think refusal unlikely in normal circumstances. But we're positing a situation where an unconventional PM tries to take advantage of the main opposition party being temporarily leaderless - this would surely be deemed "not cricket".
But even deeming it not cricket would be Political, unlike for some reason her intervention in indyref 1, so it would go through ont he nod. .
I cited the Principles on the previous thread. None of them refer to the LOTO being incapacitated.
No, but the Tories still have a majority over 70, so the first and third Principles are met - so it would just come down to an assessment on the second one. And it's certainly arguable in the current circumstances that fucking around with an unnecessary general election because the LOTO and his deputy had imploded would trigger that.
Butd arguably any general election is unnecessary till it comes to the time limit (however defined). It's well accepted that PMs try to game the system by picking their time (the FPA excepted obvs)..
That's true, but there's a big difference between having an election one year early and having one two and a half years early.
22 Gains Labour - pathetic performance for the main opposition party SKS must go
You may be about to get your wish. Both the removal of Starmer and the re-election of Johnson who surely would go straight for an election.
Risky strategy unless ahead in the Polls
Sure. But its downhill all the way from here. The economy is shagged and getting worse, and they have no ideas how to fix it, and they don't care about peons anyway. So if Starmer and Rayner both say "I resign" isn't that the obvious time to spin the dice?
"I'm calling an election". Who is representing Labour? On what platform? Its something that no respectable politician of any party has done, but happily Johnson and his fans have no respect or morals to worry about.
I'm serious. If Starmer and Rayner quit, its the perfect opportunity for that snap election people have been musing about.
I’m still in the nothing to see with this story camp but in that case who would lead the party into an election. Would the PLP elect a leader.
The economy is in a mess and it is a global problem but this, lot don’t have a clue about mitigating it. They need to act quickly.
I've been saying "nothing to see" since the start and the "revelations" still haven't added anything of substance. But - and its a big but - Starmer and Rayner having to quit is now a viable proposition. So for all the reasons you list were I an unprincipled cnut like Johnson that is exactly why I would call an election.
I can't see HMQ granting a dissolution in such circumstances. The Lascelles Principles are still valid, aren't they?
Have they ever been seen in practice, do we know? I doubt the monarch would ever refuse.
Not in this country, but in other countries of which she is queen IIRC.
I would think refusal unlikely in normal circumstances. But we're positing a situation where an unconventional PM tries to take advantage of the main opposition party being temporarily leaderless - this would surely be deemed "not cricket".
But even deeming it not cricket would be Political, unlike for some reason her intervention in indyref 1, so it would go through ont he nod. .
I cited the Principles on the previous thread. None of them refer to the LOTO being incapacitated.
No, but the Tories still have a majority over 70, so the first and third Principles are met - so it would just come down to an assessment on the second one. And it's certainly arguable in the current circumstances that fucking around with an unnecessary general election because the LOTO and his deputy had imploded would trigger that.
Very much doubt the Queen would make the judgment that the economic situation was so bad an election should not be granted.
Anyway the 3rd test doesn't pass. If Johnson wants an early election who is the Queen to call to form a government without him unless enough of his party also don't want an early election and are prepared to indicate that ANother from the Cabinet would have their support?
The stuff of dreams, legends, and a commentator who failed to notice the winner until just before the line.
That was hilarious. Reminded me of when Donovan Bailey won the Olympic 100m.
"And Greene going well, so's Ato Bolden, Greene pumping now, Bolden coming back at him, looking strong, Greene, Bolden, two of them locked, Greene, Greene, Bolden ... BAILEY!"
Or when Paul Lawrie won the open and never featured in the final day coverage until the play off
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
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A very poor "set" of elections? Wales and Scotland don't count then.
Wales was good. Scotland was a big disappointment.
Yes, Scotland is skewed by the results being against the everyone loves Ruth era. Overall they are marginally second, a very slight improvement from the Holyrood election and a small move ahead of the Tories who even in 'disaster' managed 20% but they and the Tories are fishing in different ponds mainly- Labour in Central and Dunbartonshire, the West and Glasgow. Cons in Borders, Dumfries, Perthshire and Aberdeenshire with their only direct clashes likely to be possible three way fights in Ayrshire next time out
It’s interesting. The Corbyn cult thinks Starmer being investigated is great, that better results than St Jeremy which they called fantastic are poor and that Johnson should be PM.
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
Labour ended up with more than double the number of seats the Tories got and more than THREE TIMES the number of LibDems!
But it has to be recognised that the areas with elections this year were very favourable to Labour, Mr Prasannan, so it is not surprising they ended up holding most seats. And they did lose control of Hull as well.....
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
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A very poor "set" of elections? Wales and Scotland don't count then.
Not for Starmer no
Wales in particular ran a Welsh Labour campaign distanced from the National Party
My take. England LD's. Big winners. I was more bullish on them than most, but I underestimated it. They are back as a serious force in certain counties. Greens did damn well. Also in specific places. Labour. Meh. SKS just isn't very good at politics. Be careful what Tories wish for. He hasn't cut through, and there is no chance of a Corbynite replacement. Tories was an off the scale disaster. They are facing an electoral pincer movement of tactical voting. I expected 200 losses UK wide. They've far exceeded that in England alone. Scotland. A bit meh all round really. Labour coming second is of symbolic importance mind. LD's did well. Wales. A super result for Llafur. Tories have chucked away a decade of hard graft. Dismal. NI. Could have been much worse
It’s interesting. The Corbyn cult thinks Starmer being investigated is great, that better results than St Jeremy which they called fantastic are poor and that Johnson should be PM.
Almost like they’re not really Labour at all
They would rather there were tory governments for decades without interruption than have a labour leader who does not pass their weird Marxist purity tests win.
It’s interesting. The Corbyn cult thinks Starmer being investigated is great, that better results than St Jeremy which they called fantastic are poor and that Johnson should be PM.
Almost like they’re not really Labour at all
They would rather there were tory governments for decades without interruption than have a labour leader who does not pass their weird Marxist purity tests win.
Yes - they live in a world where everyone else is a Tory. And Starmer is a Tory Traitor which is Tory Squared.
It’s interesting. The Corbyn cult thinks Starmer being investigated is great, that better results than St Jeremy which they called fantastic are poor and that Johnson should be PM.
Almost like they’re not really Labour at all
They think if Starmer goes they'll get control of the party again. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have realised because of the changes to the leadership election rules they won't be able to get a candidate on the ballot.
It’s interesting. The Corbyn cult thinks Starmer being investigated is great, that better results than St Jeremy which they called fantastic are poor and that Johnson should be PM.
Almost like they’re not really Labour at all
Particularly pathetic given Corbyn didn't demonstrate strong adherence to the rules.
I'm just a bit depressed about Labour, tbh. Rubbish in most of England, no real breakthrough here in Scotland.
The Lib Dem gains aren't going to translate to the 50 - 60 seats that would cause a significant change to the arithmetic in the absence of a Labour revival in Scotland/red wall.
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
Labour ended up with more than double the number of seats the Tories got and more than THREE TIMES the number of LibDems!
But it has to be recognised that the areas with elections this year were very favourable to Labour, Mr Prasannan, so it is not surprising they ended up holding most seats. And they did lose control of Hull as well.....
My take. England LD's. Big winners. I was more bullish on them than most, but I underestimated it. They are back as a serious force in certain counties. Greens did damn well. Also in specific places. Labour. Meh. SKS just isn't very good at politics. Be careful what Tories wish for. He hasn't cut through, and there is no chance of a Corbynite replacement. Tories was an off the scale disaster. They are facing an electoral pincer movement of tactical voting. I expected 200 losses UK wide. They've far exceeded that in England alone. Scotland. A bit meh all round really. Labour coming second is of symbolic importance mind. LD's did well. Wales. A super result for Llafur. Tories have chucked away a decade of hard graft. Dismal. NI. Could have been much worse
"Labour. Meh. SKS just isn't very good at politics. Be careful what Tories wish for. He hasn't cut through, and there is no chance of a Corbynite replacement."
Johnson to launch Operation Save Islington Lawyer tomorrow?
22 Gains Labour - pathetic performance for the main opposition party SKS must go
You may be about to get your wish. Both the removal of Starmer and the re-election of Johnson who surely would go straight for an election.
Risky strategy unless ahead in the Polls
Sure. But its downhill all the way from here. The economy is shagged and getting worse, and they have no ideas how to fix it, and they don't care about peons anyway. So if Starmer and Rayner both say "I resign" isn't that the obvious time to spin the dice?
"I'm calling an election". Who is representing Labour? On what platform? Its something that no respectable politician of any party has done, but happily Johnson and his fans have no respect or morals to worry about.
I'm serious. If Starmer and Rayner quit, its the perfect opportunity for that snap election people have been musing about.
I’m still in the nothing to see with this story camp but in that case who would lead the party into an election. Would the PLP elect a leader.
The economy is in a mess and it is a global problem but this, lot don’t have a clue about mitigating it. They need to act quickly.
I've been saying "nothing to see" since the start and the "revelations" still haven't added anything of substance. But - and its a big but - Starmer and Rayner having to quit is now a viable proposition. So for all the reasons you list were I an unprincipled cnut like Johnson that is exactly why I would call an election.
I can't see HMQ granting a dissolution in such circumstances. The Lascelles Principles are still valid, aren't they?
Have they ever been seen in practice, do we know? I doubt the monarch would ever refuse.
Not in this country, but in other countries of which she is queen IIRC.
I would think refusal unlikely in normal circumstances. But we're positing a situation where an unconventional PM tries to take advantage of the main opposition party being temporarily leaderless - this would surely be deemed "not cricket".
But even deeming it not cricket would be Political, unlike for some reason her intervention in indyref 1, so it would go through ont he nod. .
I cited the Principles on the previous thread. None of them refer to the LOTO being incapacitated.
No, but the Tories still have a majority over 70, so the first and third Principles are met - so it would just come down to an assessment on the second one. And it's certainly arguable in the current circumstances that fucking around with an unnecessary general election because the LOTO and his deputy had imploded would trigger that.
Very much doubt the Queen would make the judgment that the economic situation was so bad an election should not be granted.
Anyway the 3rd test doesn't pass. If Johnson wants an early election who is the Queen to call to form a government without him unless enough of his party also don't want an early election and are prepared to indicate that ANother from the Cabinet would have their support?
Surely following 12 years of Tory mismanagement, not having an election would detrimental to the economy.
It's interesting because on the PM head to heads and issues tracker the Tories are now behind Labour on almost everything.
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
Yes, very few Con -> Lab switchers and only a 2 point NEV lead now that all the results are in. There's no sugar coating it for either of the two parties. The voters don't like the Tories and they really hate Boris, but they also don't like Labour either and are wholly unconvinced by Starmer and now he's also likely to be tainted by a FPN.
If the Conservatives hadn't wallowed in immaturity and sleaze this last year then they would have been comfortably ahead and Starmer would now be heading for the exit door.
Is that a parody post? Starmer is heading for the exit door.
Betting opp for punters who think this. 4s available.
I'm on already.
You lose, I think, but let's see. It would certainly be a rock in the pond.
My take. England LD's. Big winners. I was more bullish on them than most, but I underestimated it. They are back as a serious force in certain counties. Greens did damn well. Also in specific places. Labour. Meh. SKS just isn't very good at politics. Be careful what Tories wish for. He hasn't cut through, and there is no chance of a Corbynite replacement. Tories was an off the scale disaster. They are facing an electoral pincer movement of tactical voting. I expected 200 losses UK wide. They've far exceeded that in England alone. Scotland. A bit meh all round really. Labour coming second is of symbolic importance mind. LD's did well. Wales. A super result for Llafur. Tories have chucked away a decade of hard graft. Dismal. NI. Could have been much worse
LDs need to be wary though. They were back as serious players under Swinson post Euro triumph 2019 and after Change UK blew it and became Twitter whiners. Then she got ideas of grandeur. Ed Davey will struggle to get airtime apart from a quick cheesy by election piece to camera with a load of grinning sandalistas holding lib dem diamonds and breaking a cardboard box blue wall with an orange magic lib dem hammer and the electorate will gradually forget his successes over the next 2 years. The extra feet on the ground with the gains will help but it's a long way back to anything over 20 seats I think. A first step but still in precarious territory.
Surely Keir will have to sue over this. They’re literally libelling him
What are you wittering about libelling him. Its absolute barrel scraping nonsense, but its no different to the ones we had about Boris not having his mask on all the time at the theatre etc.
Surely Keir will have to sue over this. They’re literally libelling him
What are you wittering about libelling him. Its absolute barrel scraping nonsense, but its no different to the ones we had about Boris not having his mask on all the time at the theatre etc.
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
Off topic
A very poor "set" of elections? Wales and Scotland don't count then.
Not for Starmer no
Wales in particular ran a Welsh Labour campaign distanced from the National Party
As you must know surely
No it wasn't distanced from the leadership. Local issues were promoted here in the Vale. There was no embarrassment of the leader like the Conservative campaign, and there was no endorsement of the Government in Cardiff, they are not especially popular, particularly on the issue of the NHS.
You can spin it all you like that I and thousands like me voted for Drakeford despite Starmer, but that is a lie.
It’s interesting. The Corbyn cult thinks Starmer being investigated is great, that better results than St Jeremy which they called fantastic are poor and that Johnson should be PM.
Almost like they’re not really Labour at all
They think if Starmer goes they'll get control of the party again. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have realised because of the changes to the leadership election rules they won't be able to get a candidate on the ballot.
And no MP will nominate one anyway.
This will only be good for Labour. They’ll end up with Reeves or Streeting and go onto win.
Surely Keir will have to sue over this. They’re literally libelling him
What are you wittering about libelling him. Its absolute barrel scraping nonsense, but its no different to the ones we had about Boris not having his mask on all the time at the theatre etc.
Johnson should sue too.
Why? Its non story, but how it is "libelling" them pointing out they didn't stick 100% to every rule, recommendation and request?
It does back up what I said about Starmer playing the politics really badly. He played it as I am the law man, I never ever break the law. He could have easily covered his own arse for these sort of minor infractions as as he claimed at the time rules being very confusing, while still making a solid point about Boris actively encouraging this staff to ignore the rules.
Labour +22 is pathetic. I am surprised Liberals have not had more coverage of their big winning night.
Doesn’t suit the narrative the big media players thought they were going to be reporting. They looked for a Labour triumph and therefore found one where none existed.
CHB was posting excitedly for nearly 24 hrs amplifying the Lab are back message when it was always pretty obvious they were having a very poor set of Elections
Labour ended up with more than double the number of seats the Tories got and more than THREE TIMES the number of LibDems!
But it has to be recognised that the areas with elections this year were very favourable to Labour, Mr Prasannan, so it is not surprising they ended up holding most seats. And they did lose control of Hull as well.....
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John Lee, 64, was the only candidate in the Beijing-backed race to succeed outgoing leader Carrie Lam.
The elevation of Lee, who is currently subject to US sanctions, places a security official in the top job for the first time amid a tumultuous few years for a city battered by political unrest and debilitating pandemic controls.
Come on, where's your sense of romance? That was the stuff of dreams, of legends:
https://twitter.com/NBCSports/status/1523104042427334660?s=20&t=kml_1oY8uGBJAYXC9Fe8_A
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germanys-conservatives-lead-first-exit-poll-schleswig-holstein-state-2022-05-08/
"Former Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives (CDU) looked set to make a clear win a regional election in the northern state of Schleswig-Holstein on Sunday, in a boost to the party which was ousted from national government in federal elections last year.
An exit poll by ARD Tagesschau put the CDU at 43% of the vote, up 11 percentage points compared to the last vote, while the Social Democrats slumped to 15.5%.
The environmental Greens and the pro-business FDP parties, who have been in a coalition with the conservatives since 2017 scored 17% and 7% respectively."
The Tories have suffered atrocious local election results but Labour's are also very poor.
They are not convincing.
We are definitely in Plague-on-both-your-houses territory
It might also be good for the country if they both go. They are both associated with the opposing extremes of the Brexit referendum. Boris is the Leave-leading Boris of the “lying” NHS Leave bus, Starmer is an outright Remoaner who wanted a 2nd vote. We cannot heal as a country - and we need to heal - while either of them is PM or LOTO
When I am PB PM OTOH .....
A hypothetical "Chinese PB.com" must be thoroughly boring!
Still open question whether Stalin's massive late-30s purges of party, army, security, you name it, were a plus or minus to Soviets in the impending Great Patriotic War.
Lab 35
Con 33
LD 17 or 18
However - and to be slightly controversial here - Rahman's actions would be considered normal political practices in the cultures from which many of the Aspire voters come from. It needs a better message to counteract than "he's a crook"
Saw Downton Abbey today after watching recently
Operation Mincemeat
Death on the Nile
Phantom of the Open
The Duke
Liked them all really but Downton Abbey surprised me with its mix of humour, taking the mick out of itself in parts (it has become a caricature of itself ) , intelligence and emotion . It is very stylish as always
But it's a fact that when he took charge as US Army Chief of Staff in 1940, Gen. George Marshall - himself advanced over scores of superior officers by FDR - had to rid the higher ranks of deadwood accumulated as result of WW1 seniority.
Also a fact - again speaking of generals - that Stalin secured the WW2 services of Gen. Konstantin Rokossovsky by having the foresight NOT to execute him, but instead sending him to the Gulag in Siberia, where he was located, freed and put to work helping the Red Army hold and roll back the Germans.
https://www.ft.com/content/9405ad3a-4719-43a0-953a-0d2323211476
"Indian politicians brush off crime accusations in world’s largest democracy
Rise of candidates facing serious charges including kidnap and murder alarms observers"
I would think refusal unlikely in normal circumstances. But we're positing a situation where an unconventional PM tries to take advantage of the main opposition party being temporarily leaderless - this would surely be deemed "not cricket".
I confess the trailers for The Duke didn't really sell me on the film. It looked very very British.
I cited the Principles on the previous thread. None of them refer to the LOTO being incapacitated.
Do not confuse it with long established militaries, like say, ours or the US one where a bunch of 'old X's boys' get promoted due to their connections. Yes, connections were important, but you had to actually be good to make them.
Why our Generals Were More Successful in World War II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OehvY94N-WA
And I'm sorry but diversification means there will be more required in some areas than generic party offers.
You counter all of this by giving something positive to vote for, nationally and then tailored locally as the circumstances dictate, not by saying 'well people like him shouldn't even be allowed in the game ' cos he is, like it or not.
A very poor "set" of elections? Wales and Scotland don't count then.
The problem was that he, and the other exponents of combined are warfare, were a bit too clever for Stalin. In DictatorWorld, being cleverer than the boss = the chop.
So, while the tank designers kept on working away, the doctrine remained that tanks were infantry support vehicles rather than an arm in their own right. And the Red Army kept it's cavalry...
Its not that he isn't capable - Nick Palmer told a good anecdote of how Boris can research details when he wants to.
But its not just Boris - there's been too much immaturity, sleaze and general slackness in the government and the Conservative party overall.
Lab 2353
LD 542
MORE THAN 4 TIMES
"And Greene going well, so's Ato Bolden, Greene pumping now, Bolden coming back at him, looking strong, Greene, Bolden, two of them locked, Greene, Greene, Bolden ... BAILEY!"
Lab 38%
Con 31%
LD 16%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_Kingdom_local_elections
EICIPM
Anyway the 3rd test doesn't pass. If Johnson wants an early election who is the Queen to call to form a government without him unless enough of his party also don't want an early election and are prepared to indicate that ANother from the Cabinet would have their support?
Almost like they’re not really Labour at all
Wales in particular ran a Welsh Labour campaign distanced from the National Party
As you must know surely
LD's. Big winners. I was more bullish on them than most, but I underestimated it. They are back as a serious force in certain counties.
Greens did damn well. Also in specific places.
Labour. Meh. SKS just isn't very good at politics. Be careful what Tories wish for. He hasn't cut through, and there is no chance of a Corbynite replacement.
Tories was an off the scale disaster. They are facing an electoral pincer movement of tactical voting. I expected 200 losses UK wide. They've far exceeded that in England alone.
Scotland.
A bit meh all round really. Labour coming second is of symbolic importance mind. LD's did well.
Wales.
A super result for Llafur. Tories have chucked away a decade of hard graft. Dismal.
NI.
Could have been much worse
Unfortunately, they don't seem to have realised because of the changes to the leadership election rules they won't be able to get a candidate on the ballot.
I'm just a bit depressed about Labour, tbh. Rubbish in most of England, no real breakthrough here in Scotland.
The Lib Dem gains aren't going to translate to the 50 - 60 seats that would cause a significant change to the arithmetic in the absence of a Labour revival in Scotland/red wall.
Surely Keir will have to sue over this. They’re literally libelling him
Westminster and Wandsworth accounted for about 95% of Labour's net council gains in England. 21 in those two boroughs and 22 in England.
Johnson to launch Operation Save Islington Lawyer tomorrow?
You can spin it all you like that I and thousands like me voted for Drakeford despite Starmer, but that is a lie.
This will only be good for Labour. They’ll end up with Reeves or Streeting and go onto win.
This is like Smith all over again
It does back up what I said about Starmer playing the politics really badly. He played it as I am the law man, I never ever break the law. He could have easily covered his own arse for these sort of minor infractions as as he claimed at the time rules being very confusing, while still making a solid point about Boris actively encouraging this staff to ignore the rules.