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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited April 2022
    Cicero said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    Another war crime.
    Lots of photographic evidence they have also been booby trapping civilian homes by putting grenades in things like washing machines or cabinets that house cups / plates.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,569
    edited April 2022
    Omnium said:

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    They've always been a bit flaky.
    Channel 5 have got to make a dime somehow.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,738
    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    It increasingly appears that Russia's manpower problems are much greater than we thought. It is being posited that instead of having three crew on most of their tanks, they're two-crewing them, which makes combat in them much harder. Also other similar vehicles have been under crewed from the start.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,131
    edited April 2022
    Cicero said:

    A question to the lawyers here: Andrew Bridgen MP has been ruled to have lied under oath. Is this automatically a perjury conviction, and if so does this disqualify him from his seat in the House of Commons?

    A by election in North West Leics would certainly be an interesting bell weather, would it not?

    No and no. To be found lying in a civil case is to be disbelieved on the balance of probabilities. In egrigious cases the Judge might report the matter to the Crown to see if they want to prosecute perjury to the requiste standard of beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Of course, some people might feel suitably ashamed but many seem to be beyond it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    It increasingly appears that Russia's manpower problems are much greater than we thought. It is being posited that instead of having three crew on most of their tanks, they're two-crewing them, which makes combat in them much harder. Also other similar vehicles have been under crewed from the start.
    I think its pretty clear the military might is all been found wanting. I presume a fair chunk of it was corruption and some unwilling to tell the Führer things aren't as rosy as planned.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,691



    Omnium said:

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    They've always been a bit flaky.
    Channel 5 have got to make a dime somehow.
    I love PB punning threads, but you won’t get so much a wisp-per out of me, I’m busy! 😘
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,637
    edited April 2022

    RAF base at Linton I have been by it lots of times, I spent many nights at pyjama party’s at friends at Linton on Ouse. Discussion at dinner table, we in Yorkshire stand together, not in our back yard, we support the protesting residence, 500 migrants staying there for months is 500 too many, will children and women be safe out and about on their own?

    Except one voice, ideal place as anywhere for it, fly in and out, house and feed, walk around the grounds, trade in local shops, administrators can be on site processing so better than dumped out in nowhere waiting for a postman or a police van with cages in it.

    So you see Farooq, I am a Lib Dem not a Tory! And a good Christian so stick that up your Iron Age twaddle 😇

    I do think my family and girlfriend will divorce me any moment 🤭. We have been playing the really nasty horse racing game and they have been ganging up on me. 🫠

    Interesting - I hadn't realised.

    It's in the North, so well away from the Home Counties. And a runway to deport them. Though this is interesting in the local paper. Mr Hollinrake MP:

    "I have been assured the time limit for any asylum seekers to remain the site will be 180 days and I have ensured the Minister is clear this must be stuck to, to ensure those waiting for decisions are not unduly delayed.

    "I have spoken to other members of parliament who already have similar facilities in their areas. Initial concerns around disturbance to local communities has not been borne out in practice, so hopefully this will be the case here also.

    "I have also asked the Minister if he can consider opening the site up to Ukrainian refugees, given the heartwarming response from Thirsk and Malton constituents to the crisis."


    I don't know if it is coincidence, or at his behest, that it carefully omits to mention that Mr Hollinrake is a Tory MP.

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/20070190.linton-ouse-asylum-centre-key-controversial-rwanda-plan/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited April 2022
    When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea its rammed full of coke.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10726443/Spanish-police-seize-2-9-tonnes-cocaine-carried-fishing-trawler-Canary-Islands-Video.html
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,841

    MrEd said:

    Foxy said:

    MrEd said:

    Inflation is the absolutely worst thing for any government, as there isn't very much they can do about it without massive other negative knock-on effects. While at the same time, it is visible every day to everybody, food, fuel, etc, rather than for instance the use of fiscal drag in their taxes where most people don't realise a bit more tax has been taken each year in real terms.

    Not necessarily.

    Go back to the 70s and look at the elections in those inflationary years. It wasn’t inflation per se that determined the result but views on Government competence.

    Callaghan’s Government probably would have won an election called in late 1978 even given inflation rates were high. What killed its chances was that the Winter of Discontent showed a Government that had lost control of how to run the country. The same goes for Heath in February 1974.

    This also isn’t a 1070s style inflation situation - it’s actually more akin to the 50s US situation, which also saw inflation post WW2/the Korea war but which still managed to post healthy growth and not yet things spiral.
    I was quite young in the Seventies, but the Callaghan government had brought inflation down to 10% from a high when Labour took office of near 27%, so in the context of the times was under control.

    It was the collapse of his 5% policy after the Ford workers got 17% that led to the Winter of Discontent.
    Which goes back to the point - Callaghan was popular when he was deemed to be in control. It is the loss of competence that dooms Governments.

    (I’d argue the same with Major in the 1990s - it was his perceived incompetence, than sleaze, that doomed him).
    Major was doomed because the very real sacrifices made by ordinary people, some of whom lost their homes, to support the pound in the ERM, were shown to be worthless when the government abandoned that policy on Black Wednesday. And that is the danger of partygate for the current shower. There were other factors too, of course.
    Black Wednesday also skewered the Tories' reputation for economic competence. Their reputation remained trashed until the GFC moved the spotlight over to Labour.

    The current CoL crisis is going to remind people how crap the Tories are at managing the economy.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,841

    When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea its rammed full of coke.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10726443/Spanish-police-seize-2-9-tonnes-cocaine-carried-fishing-trawler-Canary-Islands-Video.html

    "It just got caught up in our nets officer"
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,841



    Omnium said:

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    They've always been a bit flaky.
    Channel 5 have got to make a dime somehow.
    I love PB punning threads, but you won’t get so much a wisp-per out of me, I’m busy! 😘
    Lol! That gave me a few snickers!
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,826

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    would have thought the "only the flakiest creamiest chocolate " would be deemed not Pc to show now
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,841

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    would have thought the "only the flakiest creamiest chocolate " would be deemed not Pc to show now
    ?? Er, why?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,739

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    Only the crumbliest flakiest BJ
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,738

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    It increasingly appears that Russia's manpower problems are much greater than we thought. It is being posited that instead of having three crew on most of their tanks, they're two-crewing them, which makes combat in them much harder. Also other similar vehicles have been under crewed from the start.
    I think its pretty clear the military might is all been found wanting. I presume a fair chunk of it was corruption and some unwilling to tell the Führer things aren't as rosy as planned.
    We'll have to wait for it all to be over (and to see if Russia can reorganise and recover), but there are probably loads of factors.
    *) Corruption
    *) Poor communications (these two as you say).
    *) Stale ideology on how to fight a modern war (the Ukrainians have learnt a great deal from the west after their defeats in 2014).
    *) Relying on cool, big-ticket kit. The Armata T-14 has been called the best tank in the world. It isn't, because the Russians cannot make enough of them to risk them in battle. Especially after they lost one in Syria.
    *) Relying on numbers. Numbers have a quality all of their own, but large numbers of outdated kit just leads to large numbers of burning hulks.
    *) Not going all-out for victory from Day One. They hoped Ukraine would fold, but they did not. It was a Bridge Too Far rather than Shock and Awe.
    *) Not preparing adequately for the west's reactions.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,826

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    would have thought the "only the flakiest creamiest chocolate " would be deemed not Pc to show now
    ?? Er, why?
    arrrr bless him
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    DavidL said:

    Cicero said:

    A question to the lawyers here: Andrew Bridgen MP has been ruled to have lied under oath. Is this automatically a perjury conviction, and if so does this disqualify him from his seat in the House of Commons?

    A by election in North West Leics would certainly be an interesting bell weather, would it not?

    No and no. To be found lying in a civil case is to be disbelieved on the balance of probabilities. In egrigious cases the Judge might report the matter to the Crown to see if they want to prosecute perjury to the requiste standard of beyond a reasonable doubt.

    I trust Cicero's bill for seeking your legal advice is in the post. 😀

    A preliminary reckoning, of course.

    As legal services can be complex and the final cost can depend on many things.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,985

    I’ve managed to get myself a table at a rather fancy restaurant tonight, and I’ve gone for their gastronomic menu, washed down with a delicious local red and volcano water.

    I’m going to have to eat all of this..

    Snacks:

    Oyster La Belle Huître.

    Creamy cured sheep cheese Mas Farró with angel hair from our pumpkins.

    Starters:

    Fresh pea and bean tartare with anchovies and mint.

    Farro de la Vall de Bianya with scalded organic egg and black truffle.

    Main courses:

    Cocotxa of fresh cod with Santa Pau bean and artichokes.

    Sea and mount of pork rib, “parmentier” truffled with Valley potato, scallop, mushrooms, Russet ratafía sauce and seafood cream.

    Desserts:

    Olot tortell toast “Torrija” with ratafia ice cream.

    Little volcanic follies

    Ooh.. here’s my first snack!


    Are you venturing around on your own? (I've done such a thing myself, and fine dining on your own can be great fun if you're confident that you can drink enough, but not too much.)


  • Omnium said:

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    They've always been a bit flaky.
    Channel 5 have got to make a dime somehow.
    I love PB punning threads, but you won’t get so much a wisp-per out of me, I’m busy! 😘
    Lol! That gave me a few snickers!
    What a couple of smarties you two are.
  • Omnium said:

    I’ve managed to get myself a table at a rather fancy restaurant tonight, and I’ve gone for their gastronomic menu, washed down with a delicious local red and volcano water.

    I’m going to have to eat all of this..

    Snacks:

    Oyster La Belle Huître.

    Creamy cured sheep cheese Mas Farró with angel hair from our pumpkins.

    Starters:

    Fresh pea and bean tartare with anchovies and mint.

    Farro de la Vall de Bianya with scalded organic egg and black truffle.

    Main courses:

    Cocotxa of fresh cod with Santa Pau bean and artichokes.

    Sea and mount of pork rib, “parmentier” truffled with Valley potato, scallop, mushrooms, Russet ratafía sauce and seafood cream.

    Desserts:

    Olot tortell toast “Torrija” with ratafia ice cream.

    Little volcanic follies

    Ooh.. here’s my first snack!


    Are you venturing around on your own? (I've done such a thing myself, and fine dining on your own can be great fun if you're confident that you can drink enough, but not too much.)
    I’m very much on my own, and I’ve been in serious training to drink as much as they can pour me.. hic!

    My other snack

  • TazTaz Posts: 15,346

    Taz said:

    Farooq said:

    Taz said:

    Looks like Nicola Sturgeon is a very naughty girl.

    Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail.

    She posted footage of the visit on her own Instagram account with her mask on.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    Sent to bed early so she misses Dr Who, with no dinner.
    Surely having to watch that rubbish is more of a punishment?
    It’s certainly not vintage, more a table wine.

    Still, we probably find out who the new doctor is today.
    Isn't there one more adventure for the current Doctor? Anyway, keep us updated. We can (or could) bet on who will play the next Doctor.
    Yes, this was the second of three specials. Special in name only.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    The people who are particularly screwed by inflation are of course the elderly, to the extent they are living on non linked pensions (which includes the state pension now the triple kick has gone) or cash savings. The young can earn their way out of trouble, and the well heeled can hope their non cash assets will inflate

    So there goes the core vote
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,346

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    would have thought the "only the flakiest creamiest chocolate " would be deemed not Pc to show now
    There were several, they would have to pick one.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    That's an interesting piece by Paul Mason but he may be overstating the danger. Phillips O'Brien shared a piece on twitter about the possibility of a tactical nuclear strike. What Mason doesn't seem to account for is the likelihood of a conventional response from Nato and that hopefully the Russians have been made aware of this in advance.

    Why would NATO respond conventionally to a Russian nuclear attack ? I think NATO's response would be nuclear.
    If we thought the two sides were remotely level pegging in conventional terms that might be so, but why surrender the moral high ground if you don't have to? that's bringing a gun to a knife fight when you have a Gerber mini-magnum and the opposition has a plastic picnic knife.
    Spoiler alert!
    In the last episode of Peaky Blinders, Arthur brought a WWI gas grenade (and gas masks) to a gun fight.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,032

    I’ve managed to get myself a table at a rather fancy restaurant tonight, and I’ve gone for their gastronomic menu, washed down with a delicious local red and volcano water.

    I’m going to have to eat all of this..

    Snacks:

    Oyster La Belle Huître.

    Creamy cured sheep cheese Mas Farró with angel hair from our pumpkins.

    Starters:

    Fresh pea and bean tartare with anchovies and mint.

    Farro de la Vall de Bianya with scalded organic egg and black truffle.

    Main courses:

    Cocotxa of fresh cod with Santa Pau bean and artichokes.

    Sea and mount of pork rib, “parmentier” truffled with Valley potato, scallop, mushrooms, Russet ratafía sauce and seafood cream.

    Desserts:

    Olot tortell toast “Torrija” with ratafia ice cream.

    Little volcanic follies

    Ooh.. here’s my first snack!


    What a terrible fate!

    Enjoy it mate.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,231



    Omnium said:

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    They've always been a bit flaky.
    Channel 5 have got to make a dime somehow.
    I love PB punning threads, but you won’t get so much a wisp-per out of me, I’m busy! 😘
    Lol! That gave me a few snickers!
    What a couple of smarties you two are.
    Now you're telling Yorkies!
  • MalcolmDunnMalcolmDunn Posts: 139
    I can understand people being fed with Sunak's management of the economy but I find it difficult to see why anyone would think Labour would do any better. Starmer has has put forward no ideas at all in the past two years. He has spoken against tax rises but has indicated that he wants the government to spend more on everything. He and his party have no credibility whatsoever.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Pulpstar said:

    That's an interesting piece by Paul Mason but he may be overstating the danger. Phillips O'Brien shared a piece on twitter about the possibility of a tactical nuclear strike. What Mason doesn't seem to account for is the likelihood of a conventional response from Nato and that hopefully the Russians have been made aware of this in advance.

    Why would NATO respond conventionally to a Russian nuclear attack ? I think NATO's response would be nuclear.
    The link in the Phillips O'Brien tweet is fairly persuasive. The proposal is for a massive conventional response first with nuclear to follow down the line if Russia is mad enough to persist.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,329

    ping said:

    stodge said:

    Pulpstar said:

    That's an interesting piece by Paul Mason but he may be overstating the danger. Phillips O'Brien shared a piece on twitter about the possibility of a tactical nuclear strike. What Mason doesn't seem to account for is the likelihood of a conventional response from Nato and that hopefully the Russians have been made aware of this in advance.

    Why would NATO respond conventionally to a Russian nuclear attack ? I think NATO's response would be nuclear.
    On a non-Nato member? If it was tactical nukes definitely not. I still think it unlikely if it was a full nuclear attack on Ukraine. What would more likely happen is a huge conventional attack on the Russian military.
    I doubt there would be any NATO response unless NATO territory was immediately impacted or NATO forces directly attacked. Putin has so far been scrupulously careful to avoid any direct confrontation with NATO forces and there should be no NATO forces directly alongside Ukrainian forces (weaponry notwithstanding).

    Those are, if you like, the rules of the game - Russia has tacitly accepted Ukraine will get NATO equipment but no NATO "advisers". Putin has neither the interest nor the desire to expand the conflict exponentially and put us all at risk and I suspect his advisers are well aware of the consequences of escalation.
    I think this analysis is probably correct. Perhaps 75% chance.

    There is, however, a chance (25%, imo) that the war metastasises.

    I did a module on the Cuban midsole crisis, back in my university days, and imo, the current situation is far more serious with a greater possibility a major Russia/NATO conflict.
    Cuban midsole crisis sounds like something @TSE would suffer from. ;-)
    Not to be confused with the Cuban Midlife Crisis, where women of a certain age head off to the Caribbean and come back with a husband.

    (I know one who did.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,332
    IshmaelZ said:

    The people who are particularly screwed by inflation are of course the elderly, to the extent they are living on non linked pensions (which includes the state pension now the triple kick has gone) or cash savings. The young can earn their way out of trouble, and the well heeled can hope their non cash assets will inflate

    So there goes the core vote

    How do you cut inflation? You cut spending and raise interest rates, not exactly a popular combination either and not something Labour will be that keen on. We also need a much wider ranger of energy supplies, not just renewables to reduce energy prices.

    Inflation was sky-high in the 1970s under Heath, Wilson and Callaghan until the Thatcher and Major governments did the necessary to get it down
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,985

    Omnium said:

    I’ve managed to get myself a table at a rather fancy restaurant tonight, and I’ve gone for their gastronomic menu, washed down with a delicious local red and volcano water.

    I’m going to have to eat all of this..

    Snacks:

    Oyster La Belle Huître.

    Creamy cured sheep cheese Mas Farró with angel hair from our pumpkins.

    Starters:

    Fresh pea and bean tartare with anchovies and mint.

    Farro de la Vall de Bianya with scalded organic egg and black truffle.

    Main courses:

    Cocotxa of fresh cod with Santa Pau bean and artichokes.

    Sea and mount of pork rib, “parmentier” truffled with Valley potato, scallop, mushrooms, Russet ratafía sauce and seafood cream.

    Desserts:

    Olot tortell toast “Torrija” with ratafia ice cream.

    Little volcanic follies

    Ooh.. here’s my first snack!


    Are you venturing around on your own? (I've done such a thing myself, and fine dining on your own can be great fun if you're confident that you can drink enough, but not too much.)
    I’m very much on my own, and I’ve been in serious training to drink as much as they can pour me.. hic!

    My other snack

    Nicely done :)

    So long as you leave on your own two feet then, mission accomplished.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,691
    edited April 2022
    A piece on French election here.

    https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1596916/Macron-latest-frech-election-polls

    Makes me think of a couple of things.

    We are looking at headline polls, are we paying attention to size of don’t know, what is a normal size of don’t know? For months I have had this feeling that it breaks late for the anti establishment candidate. Can there be shy Pen supporters, that will vote for her, deny they did, hidden in the don’t knows? Secondly, this article implied general public faith in Russian sanctions at their expense wearing thin in France? because of election is this being monitored more there, is it even true as express claims, is is still holding up here in UK, and would faith in sanctions remain same in a all in it together country as a them and us scenario where working class feel they are the only ones suffering because of it?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,826
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Largesse from another angle- the bulk of the 801 SNP politicians who extract £31M+ annually from Scottish taxpayers are sourced from friends, family & LBGTQ+ campaigners. Little wonder independence is off their agenda

    Didn’t have you down as an abolitionist, Malc. :)
    These people are parasites
    You’re right Malc. Riding the gravy train for all its worth while pretending to want Indy. Surely there will come a time when more and more Indy minded people, like your good self, see them for what they are ?
    Taz, they still seem to be getting away with it , worse than Boris and his crew.
    Cheer up. Malc. It would appear that Little Miss Crosspatch may get banged to rights for ignoring her own Covid rules...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    "Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    "Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail."

  • I can understand people being fed with Sunak's management of the economy but I find it difficult to see why anyone would think Labour would do any better. Starmer has has put forward no ideas at all in the past two years. He has spoken against tax rises but has indicated that he wants the government to spend more on everything. He and his party have no credibility whatsoever.

    If you want to find out the opposition's policies, call an election! No FTPA to stop you now. Chicken?
  • I’ve managed to get myself a table at a rather fancy restaurant tonight, and I’ve gone for their gastronomic menu, washed down with a delicious local red and volcano water.

    I’m going to have to eat all of this..

    Snacks:

    Oyster La Belle Huître.

    Creamy cured sheep cheese Mas Farró with angel hair from our pumpkins.

    Starters:

    Fresh pea and bean tartare with anchovies and mint.

    Farro de la Vall de Bianya with scalded organic egg and black truffle.

    Main courses:

    Cocotxa of fresh cod with Santa Pau bean and artichokes.

    Sea and mount of pork rib, “parmentier” truffled with Valley potato, scallop, mushrooms, Russet ratafía sauce and seafood cream.

    Desserts:

    Olot tortell toast “Torrija” with ratafia ice cream.

    Little volcanic follies

    Ooh.. here’s my first snack!


    What a terrible fate!

    Enjoy it mate.
    I really am!

    First starter was delicious..


  • Omnium said:

    I’ve managed to get myself a table at a rather fancy restaurant tonight, and I’ve gone for their gastronomic menu, washed down with a delicious local red and volcano water.

    I’m going to have to eat all of this..

    Snacks:

    Oyster La Belle Huître.

    Creamy cured sheep cheese Mas Farró with angel hair from our pumpkins.

    Starters:

    Fresh pea and bean tartare with anchovies and mint.

    Farro de la Vall de Bianya with scalded organic egg and black truffle.

    Main courses:

    Cocotxa of fresh cod with Santa Pau bean and artichokes.

    Sea and mount of pork rib, “parmentier” truffled with Valley potato, scallop, mushrooms, Russet ratafía sauce and seafood cream.

    Desserts:

    Olot tortell toast “Torrija” with ratafia ice cream.

    Little volcanic follies

    Ooh.. here’s my first snack!


    Are you venturing around on your own? (I've done such a thing myself, and fine dining on your own can be great fun if you're confident that you can drink enough, but not too much.)
    I’m very much on my own, and I’ve been in serious training to drink as much as they can pour me.. hic!

    My other snack

    This site needs an "envy" button added.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,739

    @Parody_PM
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    I will be visiting India this week on the vital and urgent business of escaping criticism about Partygate.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,285

    I’ve managed to get myself a table at a rather fancy restaurant tonight, and I’ve gone for their gastronomic menu, washed down with a delicious local red and volcano water.

    I’m going to have to eat all of this..

    Snacks:

    Oyster La Belle Huître.

    Creamy cured sheep cheese Mas Farró with angel hair from our pumpkins.

    Starters:

    Fresh pea and bean tartare with anchovies and mint.

    Farro de la Vall de Bianya with scalded organic egg and black truffle.

    Main courses:

    Cocotxa of fresh cod with Santa Pau bean and artichokes.

    Sea and mount of pork rib, “parmentier” truffled with Valley potato, scallop, mushrooms, Russet ratafía sauce and seafood cream.

    Desserts:

    Olot tortell toast “Torrija” with ratafia ice cream.

    Little volcanic follies

    Ooh.. here’s my first snack!


    What a terrible fate!

    Enjoy it mate.
    I really am!

    First starter was delicious..


    What is "angel hair from our pumpkins"?

    I'm curious...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,321



    Omnium said:

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    They've always been a bit flaky.
    Channel 5 have got to make a dime somehow.
    I love PB punning threads, but you won’t get so much a wisp-per out of me, I’m busy! 😘
    Lol! That gave me a few snickers!
    What a couple of smarties you two are.
    Now you're telling Yorkies!
    No need to revel in it.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,024

    I can understand people being fed with Sunak's management of the economy but I find it difficult to see why anyone would think Labour would do any better. Starmer has has put forward no ideas at all in the past two years. He has spoken against tax rises but has indicated that he wants the government to spend more on everything. He and his party have no credibility whatsoever.

    Yes, this must all be very frustrating for you. 14 years of Conservative-led Government and people still aren't happy.

    Perhaps you should be paying more attention to Rachel Reeves as the Shadow Chancellor.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,285
    IshmaelZ said:

    The people who are particularly screwed by inflation are of course the elderly, to the extent they are living on non linked pensions (which includes the state pension now the triple kick has gone) or cash savings. The young can earn their way out of trouble, and the well heeled can hope their non cash assets will inflate

    So there goes the core vote

    I can see Sunak being ordered to do something about this once the May elections are over.

    The core vote must be kept onside.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,231

    Omnium said:

    I’ve managed to get myself a table at a rather fancy restaurant tonight, and I’ve gone for their gastronomic menu, washed down with a delicious local red and volcano water.

    I’m going to have to eat all of this..

    Snacks:

    Oyster La Belle Huître.

    Creamy cured sheep cheese Mas Farró with angel hair from our pumpkins.

    Starters:

    Fresh pea and bean tartare with anchovies and mint.

    Farro de la Vall de Bianya with scalded organic egg and black truffle.

    Main courses:

    Cocotxa of fresh cod with Santa Pau bean and artichokes.

    Sea and mount of pork rib, “parmentier” truffled with Valley potato, scallop, mushrooms, Russet ratafía sauce and seafood cream.

    Desserts:

    Olot tortell toast “Torrija” with ratafia ice cream.

    Little volcanic follies

    Ooh.. here’s my first snack!


    Are you venturing around on your own? (I've done such a thing myself, and fine dining on your own can be great fun if you're confident that you can drink enough, but not too much.)
    I’m very much on my own, and I’ve been in serious training to drink as much as they can pour me.. hic!

    My other snack

    This site needs an "envy" button added.
    Or a "Yawn" button?

    EDIT: only kidding!
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    I think this will be the 2 'independent republics that Russia has recognised, but both of them only held some of the land they clamed before the war, now they are fully occupying the rest, they have been conscripting all male residents, they can get there hands on.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,285

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    It increasingly appears that Russia's manpower problems are much greater than we thought. It is being posited that instead of having three crew on most of their tanks, they're two-crewing them, which makes combat in them much harder. Also other similar vehicles have been under crewed from the start.
    How the feck is conscripting Ukr citizens going to work?

    Vlad is even madder than we thought.
  • I wonder if we will see a 20 point Labour lead this year
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,878
    BigRich said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    I think this will be the 2 'independent republics that Russia has recognised, but both of them only held some of the land they clamed before the war, now they are fully occupying the rest, they have been conscripting all male residents, they can get there hands on.
    Forcing patriotic Ukrainian speakers to shoot and kill their fellow Ukrainians?

    This is going to end up as the most unspeakable war in Europe, since WW2

    It might end up as one of the most grotesque wars, ever - if Putin goes totally postal

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,985

    I wonder if we will see a 20 point Labour lead this year

    No. Because Labour are entirely wrong-headed. Labour are 19th century. A 21st century Labour might get such a lead.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,826

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Largesse from another angle- the bulk of the 801 SNP politicians who extract £31M+ annually from Scottish taxpayers are sourced from friends, family & LBGTQ+ campaigners. Little wonder independence is off their agenda

    Didn’t have you down as an abolitionist, Malc. :)
    These people are parasites
    You’re right Malc. Riding the gravy train for all its worth while pretending to want Indy. Surely there will come a time when more and more Indy minded people, like your good self, see them for what they are ?
    Taz, they still seem to be getting away with it , worse than Boris and his crew.
    Cheer up. Malc. It would appear that Little Miss Crosspatch may get banged to rights for ignoring her own Covid rules...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    "Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    "Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail."

    Interesting comment from Scottish lawyer:

    "The more I think about this, I see no reason for Sturgeon’s conduct except that she is looking for an excuse to get out. As she was filmed, she must have known her behaviour would go public and the inevitable Police complaint from one source or another that would follow."

    https://twitter.com/ianssmart/status/1515767998119829506

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,577
    Cicero said:

    A question to the lawyers here: Andrew Bridgen MP has been ruled to have lied under oath. Is this automatically a perjury conviction, and if so does this disqualify him from his seat in the House of Commons?

    A by election in North West Leics would certainly be an interesting bell weather, would it not?

    Not a conviction but the CPS would weight it heavily in deciding whether they have a solid case should they decide to prosecute. I doubt they will as (AIUI) it’s a civil dispute about family money
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,502
    edited April 2022

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    It increasingly appears that Russia's manpower problems are much greater than we thought. It is being posited that instead of having three crew on most of their tanks, they're two-crewing them, which makes combat in them much harder. Also other similar vehicles have been under crewed from the start.
    How the feck is conscripting Ukr citizens going to work?

    Vlad is even madder than we thought.
    They don't even understand their history. Zhukov's outrageously bold encirclement of the Sixth Army was predicated on overwhelming the Romanians, Hungarians and other conscripts deployed to the North-West on the (correct) assumption that they would provide only token resistance.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,577



    Omnium said:

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    They've always been a bit flaky.
    Channel 5 have got to make a dime somehow.
    I love PB punning threads, but you won’t get so much a wisp-per out of me, I’m busy! 😘
    That’s a crunchie pun
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    DavidL said:

    Cicero said:

    A question to the lawyers here: Andrew Bridgen MP has been ruled to have lied under oath. Is this automatically a perjury conviction, and if so does this disqualify him from his seat in the House of Commons?

    A by election in North West Leics would certainly be an interesting bell weather, would it not?

    No and no. To be found lying in a civil case is to be disbelieved on the balance of probabilities. In egrigious cases the Judge might report the matter to the Crown to see if they want to prosecute perjury to the requiste standard of beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Of course, some people might feel suitably ashamed but many seem to be beyond it.
    The more serious risk is that he has apparently been referred to the Committee on Standards, which may decide to suspend him for 2 weeks - which would open the door to a recall petition.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,044

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    It increasingly appears that Russia's manpower problems are much greater than we thought. It is being posited that instead of having three crew on most of their tanks, they're two-crewing them, which makes combat in them much harder. Also other similar vehicles have been under crewed from the start.
    How the feck is conscripting Ukr citizens going to work?

    Vlad is even madder than we thought.
    Presumably he’s being fed total bullshit
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,231
    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    It increasingly appears that Russia's manpower problems are much greater than we thought. It is being posited that instead of having three crew on most of their tanks, they're two-crewing them, which makes combat in them much harder. Also other similar vehicles have been under crewed from the start.
    How the feck is conscripting Ukr citizens going to work?

    Vlad is even madder than we thought.
    They don't even understand their history. Zhukov's outrageously bold encirclement of the Sixth Army was predicated on overwhelming the Romanians, Hungarians and other conscripts deployed to the North-West on the (correct) assumption that they would provide only token resistance.
    Northwest and southeast
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,975
    BigRich said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    I think this will be the 2 'independent republics that Russia has recognised, but both of them only held some of the land they clamed before the war, now they are fully occupying the rest, they have been conscripting all male residents, they can get there hands on.
    I don't think they are fully occupying the Donbass territories are they. We've seen conscripted soldiers from the Donbass provinces already. I wasn't aware of it from the newly occupied bits. But seriously if they weren't facing enough civil unrest already this will only make it worse.
  • I can understand people being fed with Sunak's management of the economy but I find it difficult to see why anyone would think Labour would do any better. Starmer has has put forward no ideas at all in the past two years. He has spoken against tax rises but has indicated that he wants the government to spend more on everything. He and his party have no credibility whatsoever.

    Its pretty simple really. When the Tories are lying crooks - and they are - all you have to be is honest. You and HY may be happy to be lied to by crooks but increasing numbers of voters are not.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Politico.eu - Russia’s propaganda machine takes another hit
    In the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Western tech firms have cut off Kremlin-backed news outlets from essential digital services needed to target people with their disinformation.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-splinternet-google-facebook/

    Kremlin-backed media outlets — crucial to Moscow's disinformation playbook — are learning the hard way that Western companies still control much of the internet's underlying infrastructure. And those services are increasingly off-limits to the likes of RT and Sputnik.

    Since Moscow launched its invasion of Ukraine in late February, Russian President Vladimir Putin has cranked up his propaganda output and cracked down on Big Tech players like Facebook and Twitter.

    But what he's unable to control is how mostly American firms dominate the complex world of third-party services — everything from security plug-ins to online marketing tools — that power the world's websites and apps outside of China.

    Those services, which include Google Analytics, Facebook Domain Insights and a slew of obscure online marketing offerings, have pulled the plug on RT, Sputnik, Ruptly, as well as Ria Novosti and Tass, two Russian state news agencies, according to a review of Kremlin-backed media outlets by Digital Bridge, POLITICO's transatlantic tech newsletter.

    While the sites can still operate, they have been stripped of their use of a complex web of almost-exclusively Western interconnected advertising, marketing and security services that have become a mainstay for how websites and apps function.

    That hamstrings the Kremlin's ability to target and reach a global audience, based on POLITICO's review of Builtwith, an analytics service that scrapes websites to detail which third-party services are running in the background, as well as discussions with four security experts within tech companies, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss these firms' inner workings.

    The moves came days or, in some cases hours, after Russia invaded Ukraine, but were not publicly announced at the time. Now, with Western sanctions tightening, tech companies face mounting pressure to isolate Russia even further.

    "This is an evolving situation and we are actively monitoring new developments and will take further steps if necessary," Laura Smith-Roberts, a Google spokesperson, said in a statement. . . .
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,738
    Leon said:

    BigRich said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    I think this will be the 2 'independent republics that Russia has recognised, but both of them only held some of the land they clamed before the war, now they are fully occupying the rest, they have been conscripting all male residents, they can get there hands on.
    Forcing patriotic Ukrainian speakers to shoot and kill their fellow Ukrainians?

    This is going to end up as the most unspeakable war in Europe, since WW2

    It might end up as one of the most grotesque wars, ever - if Putin goes totally postal

    I fear it will be sending Ukrainian civilians forward against Ukrainian positions, with Russian soldiers behind. If they do not go forward, the Russians will shoot them. The Ukrainian defenders will then have to shoot their countrymen. If they hesitate, the Russians get much closer. Or put a Ukrainian civilian on top of every tank.

    Horrid, but it would not surprise me.

    If this was to come to pass, it would not surprise me if the Ukrainians did fire - the 'conscripts' are as good as dead anyway. And the world should judge the Russian regime - and its troops - accordingly.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited April 2022

    I’ve managed to get myself a table at a rather fancy restaurant tonight, and I’ve gone for their gastronomic menu, washed down with a delicious local red and volcano water.

    I’m going to have to eat all of this..

    Snacks:

    Oyster La Belle Huître.

    Creamy cured sheep cheese Mas Farró with angel hair from our pumpkins.

    Starters:

    Fresh pea and bean tartare with anchovies and mint.

    Farro de la Vall de Bianya with scalded organic egg and black truffle.

    Main courses:

    Cocotxa of fresh cod with Santa Pau bean and artichokes.

    Sea and mount of pork rib, “parmentier” truffled with Valley potato, scallop, mushrooms, Russet ratafía sauce and seafood cream.

    Desserts:

    Olot tortell toast “Torrija” with ratafia ice cream.

    Little volcanic follies

    Ooh.. here’s my first snack!


    What a terrible fate!

    Enjoy it mate.
    I really am!

    First starter was delicious..


    What is "angel hair from our pumpkins"?

    I'm curious...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabell_d'àngel
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,878

    Leon said:

    BigRich said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    I think this will be the 2 'independent republics that Russia has recognised, but both of them only held some of the land they clamed before the war, now they are fully occupying the rest, they have been conscripting all male residents, they can get there hands on.
    Forcing patriotic Ukrainian speakers to shoot and kill their fellow Ukrainians?

    This is going to end up as the most unspeakable war in Europe, since WW2

    It might end up as one of the most grotesque wars, ever - if Putin goes totally postal

    I fear it will be sending Ukrainian civilians forward against Ukrainian positions, with Russian soldiers behind. If they do not go forward, the Russians will shoot them. The Ukrainian defenders will then have to shoot their countrymen. If they hesitate, the Russians get much closer. Or put a Ukrainian civilian on top of every tank.

    Horrid, but it would not surprise me.

    If this was to come to pass, it would not surprise me if the Ukrainians did fire - the 'conscripts' are as good as dead anyway. And the world should judge the Russian regime - and its troops - accordingly.
    Yes, agreed.

    Seems to me Putin has abandoned any semblance of obedience to the rules of war, Geneva Convention, etc

    This suggests he will go chemical or nuclear or both, at some point, if he continues to struggle, conventionally
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,746

    I can understand people being fed with Sunak's management of the economy but I find it difficult to see why anyone would think Labour would do any better. Starmer has has put forward no ideas at all in the past two years. He has spoken against tax rises but has indicated that he wants the government to spend more on everything. He and his party have no credibility whatsoever.

    Why would Labour put up policies? Almost all the most successful (at getting elected) politicians have been those who were blank slates, allowing voters to project onto them.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,637
    edited April 2022

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Largesse from another angle- the bulk of the 801 SNP politicians who extract £31M+ annually from Scottish taxpayers are sourced from friends, family & LBGTQ+ campaigners. Little wonder independence is off their agenda

    Didn’t have you down as an abolitionist, Malc. :)
    These people are parasites
    You’re right Malc. Riding the gravy train for all its worth while pretending to want Indy. Surely there will come a time when more and more Indy minded people, like your good self, see them for what they are ?
    Taz, they still seem to be getting away with it , worse than Boris and his crew.
    Cheer up. Malc. It would appear that Little Miss Crosspatch may get banged to rights for ignoring her own Covid rules...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    "Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    "Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail."

    Interesting comment from Scottish lawyer:

    "The more I think about this, I see no reason for Sturgeon’s conduct except that she is looking for an excuse to get out. As she was filmed, she must have known her behaviour would go public and the inevitable Police complaint from one source or another that would follow."

    https://twitter.com/ianssmart/status/1515767998119829506

    Ian Smart is hardly your typical Scottish lawyer. Unless a prosecution advcocate trying to make the best of a case the Procurator Fiscal should never have allowed to proceed for lack of evidence.

    Edit: an interesting take on him - using primary sources only,

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/ian-smart-is-a-liar/#more-46295
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,775
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    BigRich said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    I think this will be the 2 'independent republics that Russia has recognised, but both of them only held some of the land they clamed before the war, now they are fully occupying the rest, they have been conscripting all male residents, they can get there hands on.
    Forcing patriotic Ukrainian speakers to shoot and kill their fellow Ukrainians?

    This is going to end up as the most unspeakable war in Europe, since WW2

    It might end up as one of the most grotesque wars, ever - if Putin goes totally postal

    I fear it will be sending Ukrainian civilians forward against Ukrainian positions, with Russian soldiers behind. If they do not go forward, the Russians will shoot them. The Ukrainian defenders will then have to shoot their countrymen. If they hesitate, the Russians get much closer. Or put a Ukrainian civilian on top of every tank.

    Horrid, but it would not surprise me.

    If this was to come to pass, it would not surprise me if the Ukrainians did fire - the 'conscripts' are as good as dead anyway. And the world should judge the Russian regime - and its troops - accordingly.
    Yes, agreed.

    Seems to me Putin has abandoned any semblance of obedience to the rules of war, Geneva Convention, etc

    This suggests he will go chemical or nuclear or both, at some point, if he continues to struggle, conventionally
    It doesn’t get him closer to a “victory” though. It probably just accelerates his demise. I reckon it more likely he goes for an easier target that wouldn’t benefit from Nato support.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,878
    edited April 2022
    A really good thread with multiple contributions from various sources, on the possibilities and implications of Putin dropping a "small" nuke on Ukraine

    https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1515667033421135882?s=20&t=mzHihKqADvZiiABkzCUI0g


    Quite ominous, seems a real chance he will do this. Others say No, it is still highly unlikely. But they appear to be relying on Putin as a rational actor. Not sure he is that any more
  • MalcolmDunnMalcolmDunn Posts: 139
    Rochdale Pioneers

    Its pretty simple really. When the Tories are lying crooks - and they are - all you have to be is honest. You and HY may be happy to be lied to by crooks but increasing numbers of voters are not.

    Are you suggesting that Starmer's castigating the government for not spending enough on everything but opposing any means of paying for it is honest? And you have the gall to call me naive? I'd take a look in the mirror if I were you.

  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,826
    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Largesse from another angle- the bulk of the 801 SNP politicians who extract £31M+ annually from Scottish taxpayers are sourced from friends, family & LBGTQ+ campaigners. Little wonder independence is off their agenda

    Didn’t have you down as an abolitionist, Malc. :)
    These people are parasites
    You’re right Malc. Riding the gravy train for all its worth while pretending to want Indy. Surely there will come a time when more and more Indy minded people, like your good self, see them for what they are ?
    Taz, they still seem to be getting away with it , worse than Boris and his crew.
    Cheer up. Malc. It would appear that Little Miss Crosspatch may get banged to rights for ignoring her own Covid rules...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    "Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    "Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail."

    Interesting comment from Scottish lawyer:

    "The more I think about this, I see no reason for Sturgeon’s conduct except that she is looking for an excuse to get out. As she was filmed, she must have known her behaviour would go public and the inevitable Police complaint from one source or another that would follow."

    https://twitter.com/ianssmart/status/1515767998119829506

    Ian Smart is hardly your typical Scottish lawyer. Unless a prosecution advcocate trying to make the best of a case the Procurator Fiscal should never have allowed to proceed for lack of evidence.

    Edit: an interesting take on him - using primary sources only,

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/ian-smart-is-a-liar/#more-46295
    Not sure your point. He's not commenting on the seriousness of the breach. Rather, he's speculating about the very unusual disregard for the optics.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,985
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    BigRich said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    I think this will be the 2 'independent republics that Russia has recognised, but both of them only held some of the land they clamed before the war, now they are fully occupying the rest, they have been conscripting all male residents, they can get there hands on.
    Forcing patriotic Ukrainian speakers to shoot and kill their fellow Ukrainians?

    This is going to end up as the most unspeakable war in Europe, since WW2

    It might end up as one of the most grotesque wars, ever - if Putin goes totally postal

    I fear it will be sending Ukrainian civilians forward against Ukrainian positions, with Russian soldiers behind. If they do not go forward, the Russians will shoot them. The Ukrainian defenders will then have to shoot their countrymen. If they hesitate, the Russians get much closer. Or put a Ukrainian civilian on top of every tank.

    Horrid, but it would not surprise me.

    If this was to come to pass, it would not surprise me if the Ukrainians did fire - the 'conscripts' are as good as dead anyway. And the world should judge the Russian regime - and its troops - accordingly.
    Yes, agreed.

    Seems to me Putin has abandoned any semblance of obedience to the rules of war, Geneva Convention, etc

    This suggests he will go chemical or nuclear or both, at some point, if he continues to struggle, conventionally
    It doesn’t get him closer to a “victory” though. It probably just accelerates his demise. I reckon it more likely he goes for an easier target that wouldn’t benefit from Nato support.
    I just wonder what I'll make of a world when I wake up and NATO has simply obliterated Russia in a first strike. Most likely I won't wake up, and even if I did I'd be the living dead. Civilisation though? Was it saved? Was the loss of 250m people worth it?

    What price Putin?

    The only answer is that the Russian people have to get rid of him. Soonish.
  • MalcolmDunnMalcolmDunn Posts: 139


    rcs1000.Why would Labour put up policies? Almost all the most successful (at getting elected) politicians have been those who were blank slates, allowing voters to project onto them.

    The last Labour opposition to win promised to abide by Conservative spending plans during the 1997 election. Hardly a blank slate.

  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,826

    DavidL said:

    Cicero said:

    A question to the lawyers here: Andrew Bridgen MP has been ruled to have lied under oath. Is this automatically a perjury conviction, and if so does this disqualify him from his seat in the House of Commons?

    A by election in North West Leics would certainly be an interesting bell weather, would it not?

    No and no. To be found lying in a civil case is to be disbelieved on the balance of probabilities. In egrigious cases the Judge might report the matter to the Crown to see if they want to prosecute perjury to the requiste standard of beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Of course, some people might feel suitably ashamed but many seem to be beyond it.
    The more serious risk is that he has apparently been referred to the Committee on Standards, which may decide to suspend him for 2 weeks - which would open the door to a recall petition.
    Could that apply in these two cases?

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mps-sexual-harassment-complaints-26730900

    "Two SNP MPs accused of sexual harassment have had complaints against them upheld by a parliamentary body, according to newspaper reports.

    "Patrick Grady and Patricia Gibson are believed to have received the findings of an independent probe and asked to respond after claims that first emerged in the Daily Record."
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    It increasingly appears that Russia's manpower problems are much greater than we thought. It is being posited that instead of having three crew on most of their tanks, they're two-crewing them, which makes combat in them much harder. Also other similar vehicles have been under crewed from the start.
    How the feck is conscripting Ukr citizens going to work?

    Vlad is even madder than we thought.
    They don't even understand their history. Zhukov's outrageously bold encirclement of the Sixth Army was predicated on overwhelming the Romanians, Hungarians and other conscripts deployed to the North-West on the (correct) assumption that they would provide only token resistance.
    To be fair, the Romanians and to some extent Hungarians did fight hard and die in big numbers, (amongst their) biggest problem was that they did not have any effective anti-tank guns of there own and the Germans would not give them any, which matters when the enemy are spearheading there attack with a mass of Tanks.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,122

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Largesse from another angle- the bulk of the 801 SNP politicians who extract £31M+ annually from Scottish taxpayers are sourced from friends, family & LBGTQ+ campaigners. Little wonder independence is off their agenda

    Didn’t have you down as an abolitionist, Malc. :)
    These people are parasites
    You’re right Malc. Riding the gravy train for all its worth while pretending to want Indy. Surely there will come a time when more and more Indy minded people, like your good self, see them for what they are ?
    Taz, they still seem to be getting away with it , worse than Boris and his crew.
    Cheer up. Malc. It would appear that Little Miss Crosspatch may get banged to rights for ignoring her own Covid rules...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    "Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    "Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail."

    Interesting comment from Scottish lawyer:

    "The more I think about this, I see no reason for Sturgeon’s conduct except that she is looking for an excuse to get out. As she was filmed, she must have known her behaviour would go public and the inevitable Police complaint from one source or another that would follow."

    https://twitter.com/ianssmart/status/1515767998119829506

    Look forward to all those calling for Boris to resign to call for the same from Sturgeon....
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,637

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Largesse from another angle- the bulk of the 801 SNP politicians who extract £31M+ annually from Scottish taxpayers are sourced from friends, family & LBGTQ+ campaigners. Little wonder independence is off their agenda

    Didn’t have you down as an abolitionist, Malc. :)
    These people are parasites
    You’re right Malc. Riding the gravy train for all its worth while pretending to want Indy. Surely there will come a time when more and more Indy minded people, like your good self, see them for what they are ?
    Taz, they still seem to be getting away with it , worse than Boris and his crew.
    Cheer up. Malc. It would appear that Little Miss Crosspatch may get banged to rights for ignoring her own Covid rules...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    "Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    "Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail."

    Interesting comment from Scottish lawyer:

    "The more I think about this, I see no reason for Sturgeon’s conduct except that she is looking for an excuse to get out. As she was filmed, she must have known her behaviour would go public and the inevitable Police complaint from one source or another that would follow."

    https://twitter.com/ianssmart/status/1515767998119829506

    Ian Smart is hardly your typical Scottish lawyer. Unless a prosecution advcocate trying to make the best of a case the Procurator Fiscal should never have allowed to proceed for lack of evidence.

    Edit: an interesting take on him - using primary sources only,

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/ian-smart-is-a-liar/#more-46295
    Not sure your point. He's not commenting on the seriousness of the breach. Rather, he's speculating about the very unusual disregard for the optics.
    He'll talk any amount of partisan shite, as documented in that webpage. He's been doing it for many years. But most PBers wouldn't recognise his name.

    As foir the actual event, it was a brief absence of mind, surely, though an unhelpful one. We had that before at that funeral when Ms S spoke to the hard of hearing person.
  • https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1515426149962235906

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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,637

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Largesse from another angle- the bulk of the 801 SNP politicians who extract £31M+ annually from Scottish taxpayers are sourced from friends, family & LBGTQ+ campaigners. Little wonder independence is off their agenda

    Didn’t have you down as an abolitionist, Malc. :)
    These people are parasites
    You’re right Malc. Riding the gravy train for all its worth while pretending to want Indy. Surely there will come a time when more and more Indy minded people, like your good self, see them for what they are ?
    Taz, they still seem to be getting away with it , worse than Boris and his crew.
    Cheer up. Malc. It would appear that Little Miss Crosspatch may get banged to rights for ignoring her own Covid rules...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    "Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    "Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail."

    Interesting comment from Scottish lawyer:

    "The more I think about this, I see no reason for Sturgeon’s conduct except that she is looking for an excuse to get out. As she was filmed, she must have known her behaviour would go public and the inevitable Police complaint from one source or another that would follow."

    https://twitter.com/ianssmart/status/1515767998119829506

    Look forward to all those calling for Boris to resign to call for the same from Sturgeon....
    Works the other way though. Whataboutery is often invidious, but a few seconds sans mask, compared with repeated and knowing breaches ...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,637
    In more Paschal news:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/17/uk-asylum-seekers-plan-rwanda-jacob-rees-mogg

    'Rees-Mogg, the minister for Brexit opportunities, said the Church of England’s most senior clergyman “misunderstands” the policy and that it was in fact “almost an Easter story of redemption” for Rwanda.

    The former Commons leader said the UK was “providing an opportunity to Rwanda” and that the policy therefore “must be a good thing”.'
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,985

    https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1515426149962235906

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    Things can only get better

    Worse from my point of view.

    Labour have an entrenched lead in the vote now. I don't think it can be shifted until we see a week or two of a Labour government.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,231

    https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1515426149962235906

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    That was released yesterday!


  • Omnium said:

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    They've always been a bit flaky.
    Channel 5 have got to make a dime somehow.
    They needed something to broadcast after eight pm.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,321

    https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1515426149962235906

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    Dirty sleazy Tories on the slide...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,122

    Cicero said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    Another war crime.
    Lots of photographic evidence they have also been booby trapping civilian homes by putting grenades in things like washing machines or cabinets that house cups / plates.
    And bodies in the streets.

    Sub-human fuckers.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,878
    Anecdata

    I had a boozy picnic with friends in Green Park yesterday

    People who would not normally EVER discuss UFOs calmly debated whether the UAPs in all the footage and evidence of the last four years are: alien drones, actual aliens, a mass hallucination etc

    It is going mainstream
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,332
    edited April 2022
    Carnyx said:

    In more Paschal news:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/17/uk-asylum-seekers-plan-rwanda-jacob-rees-mogg

    'Rees-Mogg, the minister for Brexit opportunities, said the Church of England’s most senior clergyman “misunderstands” the policy and that it was in fact “almost an Easter story of redemption” for Rwanda.

    The former Commons leader said the UK was “providing an opportunity to Rwanda” and that the policy therefore “must be a good thing”.'

    Rees-Mogg is of course a Roman Catholic not C of E, no surprise he is not that bothered by what the Archbishop of Canterbury thinks (albeit the Pope is also relatively liberal on refugees if a bit harder line on abortion and gay marriage).

    Boris is Roman Catholic too, as I believe is Liz Truss by heritage if not practice. Sunak and Patel are Hindus. Javid is Muslim heritage as is Zahawi. In fact the only senior member of the Cabinet who is Church of England now is Raab but even he is half Jewish.

    Quite a change from the May years when she Hunt and Hammond were all C of E. Indeed more Anglicans on the Opposition frontbench like Lammy and Ed Davey, albeit Starmer is an atheist
  • Rochdale Pioneers

    Its pretty simple really. When the Tories are lying crooks - and they are - all you have to be is honest. You and HY may be happy to be lied to by crooks but increasing numbers of voters are not.

    Are you suggesting that Starmer's castigating the government for not spending enough on everything but opposing any means of paying for it is honest? And you have the gall to call me naive? I'd take a look in the mirror if I were you.

    Set policy aside - all of it. We cannot have a system of government where the Prime Minister lies to parliament and breaks the law. If the Tories rediscover morality and remove him then sure, policy becomes more relevant.

    Otherwise it is the same as 2019. To win the election you have to not be the other person. Same as Macron right now who will win however crap he is because the alternative is Le Pen.

    If you personally like being lied to, that's up to you.
  • Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Largesse from another angle- the bulk of the 801 SNP politicians who extract £31M+ annually from Scottish taxpayers are sourced from friends, family & LBGTQ+ campaigners. Little wonder independence is off their agenda

    Didn’t have you down as an abolitionist, Malc. :)
    These people are parasites
    You’re right Malc. Riding the gravy train for all its worth while pretending to want Indy. Surely there will come a time when more and more Indy minded people, like your good self, see them for what they are ?
    Taz, they still seem to be getting away with it , worse than Boris and his crew.
    Cheer up. Malc. It would appear that Little Miss Crosspatch may get banged to rights for ignoring her own Covid rules...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    "Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    "Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail."

    Interesting comment from Scottish lawyer:

    "The more I think about this, I see no reason for Sturgeon’s conduct except that she is looking for an excuse to get out. As she was filmed, she must have known her behaviour would go public and the inevitable Police complaint from one source or another that would follow."

    https://twitter.com/ianssmart/status/1515767998119829506

    Look forward to all those calling for Boris to resign to call for the same from Sturgeon....
    Works the other way though. Whataboutery is often invidious, but a few seconds sans mask, compared with repeated and knowing breaches ...
    I'm standing for election against the SNP so I'm hardly a Sturgeon fan.

    But...

    The mask rules end at midnight. So not having one on briefly a few hours ahead matters to anyone because...?
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758



    Omnium said:

    OT just noticed that Channel 5 is showing Greatest Chocolate Ads of All Time — how niche is that?

    They've always been a bit flaky.
    Channel 5 have got to make a dime somehow.
    I love PB punning threads, but you won’t get so much a wisp-per out of me, I’m busy! 😘
    Werther you do or werther you don't pun its allsorts of the same to us.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587

    DavidL said:

    Cicero said:

    A question to the lawyers here: Andrew Bridgen MP has been ruled to have lied under oath. Is this automatically a perjury conviction, and if so does this disqualify him from his seat in the House of Commons?

    A by election in North West Leics would certainly be an interesting bell weather, would it not?

    No and no. To be found lying in a civil case is to be disbelieved on the balance of probabilities. In egrigious cases the Judge might report the matter to the Crown to see if they want to prosecute perjury to the requiste standard of beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Of course, some people might feel suitably ashamed but many seem to be beyond it.
    The more serious risk is that he has apparently been referred to the Committee on Standards, which may decide to suspend him for 2 weeks - which would open the door to a recall petition.
    Could that apply in these two cases?

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mps-sexual-harassment-complaints-26730900

    "Two SNP MPs accused of sexual harassment have had complaints against them upheld by a parliamentary body, according to newspaper reports.

    "Patrick Grady and Patricia Gibson are believed to have received the findings of an independent probe and asked to respond after claims that first emerged in the Daily Record."
    Potentially, yes. We discussed Grady's case on yesterday's thread - a conceivable Labour gain (Glasgow N). Gibson's seat looks safe SNP (Con 2nd, would need a 9% swing to Cons),
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,985
    Leon said:

    Anecdata

    I had a boozy picnic with friends in Green Park yesterday

    People who would not normally EVER discuss UFOs calmly debated whether the UAPs in all the footage and evidence of the last four years are: alien drones, actual aliens, a mass hallucination etc

    It is going mainstream

    I doubt that'll help the debate.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited April 2022
    HYUFD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    The people who are particularly screwed by inflation are of course the elderly, to the extent they are living on non linked pensions (which includes the state pension now the triple kick has gone) or cash savings. The young can earn their way out of trouble, and the well heeled can hope their non cash assets will inflate

    So there goes the core vote

    How do you cut inflation? You cut spending and raise interest rates, not exactly a popular combination either and not something Labour will be that keen on. We also need a much wider ranger of energy supplies, not just renewables to reduce energy prices.

    Inflation was sky-high in the 1970s under Heath, Wilson and Callaghan until the Thatcher and Major governments did the necessary to get it down
    Neither cutting spending, nor raising interest rates will have much of an impact on the kind of external inflation we’re facing. This inflation is profoundly different from the 70’s, at least for now. See the conversation upthread.

    We’re in the shit, @HYUFD with no levers left to pull, i’m afraid. It’s a case of knuckling down, cutting our cloth and being damn glad we’re not a low income country cf; Sri Lanka.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006

    I can understand people being fed with Sunak's management of the economy but I find it difficult to see why anyone would think Labour would do any better. Starmer has has put forward no ideas at all in the past two years. He has spoken against tax rises but has indicated that he wants the government to spend more on everything. He and his party have no credibility whatsoever.

    Have you never heard the saying that you should never interrupt your opponents whilst they in the process of destroying themselves?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    https://twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1515426149962235906

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    Glitch in the matrix...
  • Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Largesse from another angle- the bulk of the 801 SNP politicians who extract £31M+ annually from Scottish taxpayers are sourced from friends, family & LBGTQ+ campaigners. Little wonder independence is off their agenda

    Didn’t have you down as an abolitionist, Malc. :)
    These people are parasites
    You’re right Malc. Riding the gravy train for all its worth while pretending to want Indy. Surely there will come a time when more and more Indy minded people, like your good self, see them for what they are ?
    Taz, they still seem to be getting away with it , worse than Boris and his crew.
    Cheer up. Malc. It would appear that Little Miss Crosspatch may get banged to rights for ignoring her own Covid rules...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    "Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    "Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail."

    Interesting comment from Scottish lawyer:

    "The more I think about this, I see no reason for Sturgeon’s conduct except that she is looking for an excuse to get out. As she was filmed, she must have known her behaviour would go public and the inevitable Police complaint from one source or another that would follow."

    https://twitter.com/ianssmart/status/1515767998119829506

    Look forward to all those calling for Boris to resign to call for the same from Sturgeon....
    Works the other way though. Whataboutery is often invidious, but a few seconds sans mask, compared with repeated and knowing breaches ...
    I'm standing for election against the SNP so I'm hardly a Sturgeon fan.

    But...

    The mask rules end at midnight. So not having one on briefly a few hours ahead matters to anyone because...?
    So its OK for a politician to break a law they've introduced so long as the law is a temporary one?

    What's the timescale for that? If the law is due to sunset in a few days/weeks/months?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,826
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Largesse from another angle- the bulk of the 801 SNP politicians who extract £31M+ annually from Scottish taxpayers are sourced from friends, family & LBGTQ+ campaigners. Little wonder independence is off their agenda

    Didn’t have you down as an abolitionist, Malc. :)
    These people are parasites
    You’re right Malc. Riding the gravy train for all its worth while pretending to want Indy. Surely there will come a time when more and more Indy minded people, like your good self, see them for what they are ?
    Taz, they still seem to be getting away with it , worse than Boris and his crew.
    Cheer up. Malc. It would appear that Little Miss Crosspatch may get banged to rights for ignoring her own Covid rules...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    "Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    "Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail."

    Interesting comment from Scottish lawyer:

    "The more I think about this, I see no reason for Sturgeon’s conduct except that she is looking for an excuse to get out. As she was filmed, she must have known her behaviour would go public and the inevitable Police complaint from one source or another that would follow."

    https://twitter.com/ianssmart/status/1515767998119829506

    Ian Smart is hardly your typical Scottish lawyer. Unless a prosecution advcocate trying to make the best of a case the Procurator Fiscal should never have allowed to proceed for lack of evidence.

    Edit: an interesting take on him - using primary sources only,

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/ian-smart-is-a-liar/#more-46295
    Not sure your point. He's not commenting on the seriousness of the breach. Rather, he's speculating about the very unusual disregard for the optics.
    He'll talk any amount of partisan shite, as documented in that webpage. He's been doing it for many years. But most PBers wouldn't recognise his name.

    As foir the actual event, it was a brief absence of mind, surely, though an unhelpful one. We had that before at that funeral when Ms S spoke to the hard of hearing person.
    Nope, it seems that claim - "just a few seconds" - is SNP spin and won't stack up. Not saying it's the end of the world or anything, but does put her attacks on Boris in a different perspective.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,878
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Anecdata

    I had a boozy picnic with friends in Green Park yesterday

    People who would not normally EVER discuss UFOs calmly debated whether the UAPs in all the footage and evidence of the last four years are: alien drones, actual aliens, a mass hallucination etc

    It is going mainstream

    I doubt that'll help the debate.
    It might, inasmuch as a lot of people now feel emboldened to discuss the subject, without the fear of being labelled a lunatic

    A senior Turkish culture guy I met when I was in eastern Turkey, two weeks ago, told me HIS UFO story. As a 12 year old he saw a huge spacecraft hovering over his house. "Definitely not of human origin"

    The story is not exceptional, the fact he felt able to chat about it, and wanted to talk about it - unprompted - WAS notable.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,122
    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Largesse from another angle- the bulk of the 801 SNP politicians who extract £31M+ annually from Scottish taxpayers are sourced from friends, family & LBGTQ+ campaigners. Little wonder independence is off their agenda

    Didn’t have you down as an abolitionist, Malc. :)
    These people are parasites
    You’re right Malc. Riding the gravy train for all its worth while pretending to want Indy. Surely there will come a time when more and more Indy minded people, like your good self, see them for what they are ?
    Taz, they still seem to be getting away with it , worse than Boris and his crew.
    Cheer up. Malc. It would appear that Little Miss Crosspatch may get banged to rights for ignoring her own Covid rules...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61135232

    "Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to police after being filmed apparently breaching Scotland's face mask rules.

    "Footage on social media shows the first minister without a mask in an East Kilbride barber shop, which she had visited on the election campaign trail."

    Interesting comment from Scottish lawyer:

    "The more I think about this, I see no reason for Sturgeon’s conduct except that she is looking for an excuse to get out. As she was filmed, she must have known her behaviour would go public and the inevitable Police complaint from one source or another that would follow."

    https://twitter.com/ianssmart/status/1515767998119829506

    Look forward to all those calling for Boris to resign to call for the same from Sturgeon....
    Works the other way though. Whataboutery is often invidious, but a few seconds sans mask, compared with repeated and knowing breaches ...
    I thought the argument was about breaching laws they had made?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,878

    Leon said:

    Anecdata

    I had a boozy picnic with friends in Green Park yesterday

    People who would not normally EVER discuss UFOs calmly debated whether the UAPs in all the footage and evidence of the last four years are: alien drones, actual aliens, a mass hallucination etc

    It is going mainstream

    Do you recall who brought the subject up? I ask, as no one, no one has ever mentioned UAPs to me in conversation. And I’m a known Fortean.
    God we were all quite drunk. Perhaps it was me? I honestly cannot remember

    But most of the conversation did not come from me, despite my keen interest in the topic

    One of the picnickers has a Physics degree from UCL, an other has a Physics degree from Imperial. Not stupid people. Highly scientifically literate - and calmly discussing aliens
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,329
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    In more Paschal news:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/17/uk-asylum-seekers-plan-rwanda-jacob-rees-mogg

    'Rees-Mogg, the minister for Brexit opportunities, said the Church of England’s most senior clergyman “misunderstands” the policy and that it was in fact “almost an Easter story of redemption” for Rwanda.

    The former Commons leader said the UK was “providing an opportunity to Rwanda” and that the policy therefore “must be a good thing”.'

    Rees-Mogg is of course a Roman Catholic not C of E, no surprise he is not that bothered by what the Archbishop of Canterbury thinks (albeit the Pope is also relatively liberal on refugees if a bit harder line on abortion and gay marriage).

    Boris is Roman Catholic too, as I believe is Liz Truss by heritage if not practice. Sunak and Patel are Hindus. Javid is Muslim heritage as is Zahawi. In fact the only senior member of the Cabinet who is Church of England now is Raab but even he is half Jewish.

    Quite a change from the May years when she Hunt and Hammond were all C of E. Indeed more Anglicans on the Opposition frontbench like Lammy and Ed Davey, albeit Starmer is an atheist
    Meanwhile most folk neither know nor care which flavour of fairytale politicians either believe, pretend to believe or have turned their backs on.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,587
    BigRich said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lots of reports that Russia is forcibly conscripting Ukrainian citizens in recently occupied territory.

    I think this will be the 2 'independent republics that Russia has recognised, but both of them only held some of the land they clamed before the war, now they are fully occupying the rest, they have been conscripting all male residents, they can get there hands on.
    Some of the reports relate to Mariupol.
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