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Just 14% back the privatisation of Channel 4 – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,233
edited April 2022 in General
imageJust 14% back the privatisation of Channel 4 – politicalbetting.com

Given how controversial Johnson’s plan for Channel 4 is then this latest polling is hardly going to help his move. This is especially the case because of the reported level of opposition from Tory MPs and the need to get the bill through the House of Lords.

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    I think we have done this to death on the last thread, no?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    In the weird world of Jezza Johnson today he wants to renationalise National Grid, while privatising the Vaccine Manufacturing and Innovation Centre.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,526
    The Russian embassy in Paris has just tweeted a professionally photoshopped montage entitled "Film set, town of Bucha". I hope the ambassador will be expelled.

    https://twitter.com/AmbRusFrance/status/1511808212919635979

    image
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Curse of the new thread: Questions for the PB brains trust. So, I have my itineraries for my visits to Azerbaijan.

    Trip 1: Arrive into Baku, then Lankaran, Qakh, Shamkir, Naftalan, depart Baku
    Trip 2: Arrive into Baku, then Sabirabad, Ismishlli, Guba, Khachmaz, depart Baku.

    I pretty much know what I want to do and see in Baku. Any ideas for the other locations, or en route between?

    PS Not telling the wife that this takes me within 10 miles of Russia (Dagestan), 5 miles of Nagorno-Kharabakh, and 20 miles of Iran.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    I don't think anyone in the real world is going to be concerned about who owns channel 4. Most people are more worried about their energy bills doubling.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited April 2022

    The Russian embassy in Paris has just tweeted a professionally photoshopped montage entitled "Film set, town of Bucha". I hope the ambassador will be expelled.

    https://twitter.com/AmbRusFrance/status/1511808212919635979

    image

    Massive business opportunity in AI being able to properly identify photoshopped images.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,634
    Farooq said:

    The new Electoral registration figures are out for Dec 2021. These are one year since the Dec 2020 figures which are being used for the boundary review.

    Overall registration is up 0.4% in Scotland and up 0.1% in Wales (both had elections last year) and up 3.4% in NI (not sure why). On the other hand in England it has fallen -1.0%. What is noticeable is that apart from the university seats the biggest drops in registration have tended to come in Inner London:

    Hampstead and Kilburn -8.9%
    Bermondsey and Old Southwark -6.6%
    Camberwell and Peckham -5.1%
    Vauxhall -4.7%
    Islington North -4.6%
    Tooting -4.5%
    Ealing Central and Acton -4.4%
    Islington South and Finsbury -4.1%
    Streatham -4.1%
    Putney -3.4%
    Dulwich and West Norwood -3.3%
    Twickenham -3.1%
    Lewisham East -2.9%
    Westminster North -2.8%
    Kensington -2.7%
    Lewisham, Deptford -2.7%
    Ealing, Southall -2.7%
    Finchley and Golders Green -2.6%
    Ealing North -2.6%
    Hornsey and Wood Green -2.5%

    it will be interesting to see if London recovers at all this year. London is gaining 2 seats in the boundary review based on the 2020 figures but probably wouldn't on the 2021 figures

    Somewhat oddly the biggest increase apart from in NI is Holborn and St Pancras up 3.2%, probably due to the massive King's Cross Central development

    All those twenty-somethings who used to rent in London and now WFH back at their parents' place.
    Good God I never thought of the electoral effect of this. Great spot. Wonder whether it'll show up in the council elections?
    London dropping in non-election years is what you'd expect. This is why basing the number of seats on registered voters is unfavourable to high-turnover areas.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,215
    I thought C4 was already privatised because of all the adverts?
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,177
    darkage said:

    I don't think anyone in the real world is going to be concerned about who owns channel 4. Most people are more worried about their energy bills doubling.

    Yeah, I don't suppose anybody's going to make the issue itself the decider for who they vote for. But will people be pissed off that the government seems to be spending its time on this and not the cost of living crisis? Or maybe it just won't really register...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited April 2022
    First dinosaur fossil linked to asteroid strike'
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-61013740

    Cunning bit of BBC advertising.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,319
    darkage said:

    I don't think anyone in the real world is going to be concerned about who owns channel 4. Most people are more worried about their energy bills doubling.

    Channelling the Not the Nine O'clock News parody of That's Life...

    'We phoned the electricity board.'

    'They said...'

    '"This really has got absolutely nothing.... to do with us."'

    'Cyril....'
  • After realising I’d quite significantly underestimated the distance I had to walk yesterday, I’ve now realised that I also walked the wrong way for the tortoise sanctuary (there are dangers to drunkenly planning trips!). But I am going to go, on the way back from Andorra after visiting the volcanic park I think @IshmaelZ mentioned yesterday.

    Tomorrow I’m planning to walk to Roses, then spend the next couple of days walking round the coast to France. I’m then going to track inland, as far as I feel I can safely walk to Vernet-les-Bains, if the walk starts to look too steep then I’ll catch a bus or train there. Then from there I’m planning to ride the Little Yellow Train https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne_de_Cerdagne to Bourg-Madame back on the border with Spain, where I can walk across to Puigcerdà on the Spanish side and catch a bus to Andorra La Vella (where I will get a picture of the parliament building).

    Then I’ll head back to Girona via volcano land and tortoise world.

    This plan could all change tomorrow of course! But I do like the look of that train ride..
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,250

    The Russian embassy in Paris has just tweeted a professionally photoshopped montage entitled "Film set, town of Bucha". I hope the ambassador will be expelled.

    https://twitter.com/AmbRusFrance/status/1511808212919635979

    image

    Massive business opportunity in AI being able to properly identify photoshopped images.
    They've done Goebbels proud.

    Although they should be aware he committed suicide in a bunker with his children when he lost.


  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,250
    darkage said:

    I don't think anyone in the real world is going to be concerned about who owns channel 4. Most people are more worried about their energy bills doubling.

    True.

    But it is up to the House of Lords now rather than "most people".
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,020
    I'm sure Johnson would love to have the liberal intelligentsia consumed by a campaign to save Channel 4 from privatisation as a distraction from the massive increase in inflation, tax increases, a struggling health service, etc.

    Whether Channel 4 is actually privatised or not - I doubt he gives a monkeys.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    Your strategy of incremental sanctions doesn’t work. Cannot work…That’s why 212 members of Parliament demand a special #EUCO meeting to decide on full sanctions immediately!

    https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1511667812137377804?s=20&t=D5hPeYDyDiaMHejT6mSSPQ
  • Furious back pedalling as Tories simultaneously justify nationalisation but also privatisation
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,463
    TimT said:

    Curse of the new thread: Questions for the PB brains trust. So, I have my itineraries for my visits to Azerbaijan.

    Trip 1: Arrive into Baku, then Lankaran, Qakh, Shamkir, Naftalan, depart Baku
    Trip 2: Arrive into Baku, then Sabirabad, Ismishlli, Guba, Khachmaz, depart Baku.

    I pretty much know what I want to do and see in Baku. Any ideas for the other locations, or en route between?

    PS Not telling the wife that this takes me within 10 miles of Russia (Dagestan), 5 miles of Nagorno-Kharabakh, and 20 miles of Iran.

    Sounds like you're on some sort of call of duty map.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,250
    I doubt Ch4 privatisation bill will survive the forthcoming summer reshuffle.

  • The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,961
    I think Channel 4 has been going downhill since the 90s when they had quality presenters and content.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLHyLC2DqI
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Updated: Pentagon says that, on average, it's taking 4 days to ship weapons to pass-off points outside Ukraine + another 1-2 days for those shipments to enter the country.

    Such transfers have “never been done that fast before”
  • The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,138
    pm215 said:

    darkage said:

    I don't think anyone in the real world is going to be concerned about who owns channel 4. Most people are more worried about their energy bills doubling.

    Yeah, I don't suppose anybody's going to make the issue itself the decider for who they vote for. But will people be pissed off that the government seems to be spending its time on this and not the cost of living crisis? Or maybe it just won't really register...
    Though are people really going to be thinking 'if only the government weren't privatising channel 4, it could be passing legislation to make the cost of living less'? The cost of living isn't high because of government inaction or misplaced priorities, it's high because of Ukraine and covid. No amount of government legislation is going to make gas cheaper.
    Also, I reckon the majority of people would be very surprised to discover that Channel 4 is state owned.
  • I doubt Ch4 privatisation bill will survive the forthcoming summer reshuffle.

    To be honest I could not care less either way
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Pulpstar said:

    TimT said:

    Curse of the new thread: Questions for the PB brains trust. So, I have my itineraries for my visits to Azerbaijan.

    Trip 1: Arrive into Baku, then Lankaran, Qakh, Shamkir, Naftalan, depart Baku
    Trip 2: Arrive into Baku, then Sabirabad, Ismishlli, Guba, Khachmaz, depart Baku.

    I pretty much know what I want to do and see in Baku. Any ideas for the other locations, or en route between?

    PS Not telling the wife that this takes me within 10 miles of Russia (Dagestan), 5 miles of Nagorno-Kharabakh, and 20 miles of Iran.

    Sounds like you're on some sort of call of duty map.
    LOL. Just a tour of public health labs.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,838

    The Russian embassy in Paris has just tweeted a professionally photoshopped montage entitled "Film set, town of Bucha". I hope the ambassador will be expelled.

    https://twitter.com/AmbRusFrance/status/1511808212919635979

    image

    Massive business opportunity in AI being able to properly identify photoshopped images.
    They've done Goebbels proud.

    Although they should be aware he committed suicide in a bunker with his children when he lost.

    Although his children, of course, did not commit suicide.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,215

    The Russian embassy in Paris has just tweeted a professionally photoshopped montage entitled "Film set, town of Bucha". I hope the ambassador will be expelled.

    https://twitter.com/AmbRusFrance/status/1511808212919635979

    image

    Massive business opportunity in AI being able to properly identify photoshopped images.
    They've done Goebbels proud.

    Although they should be aware he committed suicide in a bunker with his children when he lost.

    Although his children, of course, did not commit suicide.
    One of the most chilling scenes in "Downfall".
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,250
    Sunak's wife is non-dom.

    He will not even be an MP in five years imho.

    His time on the greasy pole is soon at an end.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,720

    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
    Tbh horse, I don’t think anyone has any big ideas. One off taxes on energy providers is great this year, but what about next? And the next? If labour had the misfortune to be in power now, they would b3 struggling too. There are no easy solutions to all the chickens that are coming home to roost.
  • The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
    Tbh horse, I don’t think anyone has any big ideas. One off taxes on energy providers is great this year, but what about next? And the next? If labour had the misfortune to be in power now, they would b3 struggling too. There are no easy solutions to all the chickens that are coming home to roost.
    Interesting Londoner's to pay more in NI than the rest of the country because they earn more

    https://twitter.com/TmorrowsPapers/status/1511690624067674118?t=sqm-iOif-APeOZKyzP9GSw&s=19
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    darkage said:

    I don't think anyone in the real world is going to be concerned about who owns channel 4. Most people are more worried about their energy bills doubling.

    Yeah, I don't suppose anybody's going to make the issue itself the decider for who they vote for. But will people be pissed off that the government seems to be spending its time on this and not the cost of living crisis? Or maybe it just won't really register...
    Though are people really going to be thinking 'if only the government weren't privatising channel 4, it could be passing legislation to make the cost of living less'? The cost of living isn't high because of government inaction or misplaced priorities, it's high because of Ukraine and covid. No amount of government legislation is going to make gas cheaper.
    Also, I reckon the majority of people would be very surprised to discover that Channel 4 is state owned.
    we could be lowering tariffs, Unilaterally, which would lower the cost of living, and I think require legislation. but overall I take you point.
  • The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
    Tbh horse, I don’t think anyone has any big ideas. One off taxes on energy providers is great this year, but what about next? And the next? If labour had the misfortune to be in power now, they would b3 struggling too. There are no easy solutions to all the chickens that are coming home to roost.
    Hope you are staying well tubbs, awful rain here today
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,411
    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?
  • Sunak's wife is non-dom.

    He will not even be an MP in five years imho.

    His time on the greasy pole is soon at an end.

    He has had a political car crash and needs moving away from COE

    Bnng back Ken Clarke
  • The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
    Tbh horse, I don’t think anyone has any big ideas. One off taxes on energy providers is great this year, but what about next? And the next? If labour had the misfortune to be in power now, they would b3 struggling too. There are no easy solutions to all the chickens that are coming home to roost.
    Interesting Londoner's to pay more in NI than the rest of the country because they earn more

    https://twitter.com/TmorrowsPapers/status/1511690624067674118?t=sqm-iOif-APeOZKyzP9GSw&s=19
    Big G plays the anti London card, it’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see how it works out for him
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,720

    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
    Tbh horse, I don’t think anyone has any big ideas. One off taxes on energy providers is great this year, but what about next? And the next? If labour had the misfortune to be in power now, they would b3 struggling too. There are no easy solutions to all the chickens that are coming home to roost.
    Hope you are staying well tubbs, awful rain here today
    Not bad thanks. Legs shamefully achy after short run yesterday.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,411
    Anyway feel bloody awful so taking my weary self, racked with coughing and fever, off to bed.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    edited April 2022

    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
    Tbh horse, I don’t think anyone has any big ideas. One off taxes on energy providers is great this year, but what about next? And the next? If labour had the misfortune to be in power now, they would b3 struggling too. There are no easy solutions to all the chickens that are coming home to roost.
    Hope you are staying well tubbs, awful rain here today
    Not bad thanks. Legs shamefully achy after short run yesterday.
    Hope you’re able to rest and be back out there again soon. I went out for a run today as well.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,283
    edited April 2022

    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
    Tbh horse, I don’t think anyone has any big ideas. One off taxes on energy providers is great this year, but what about next? And the next? If labour had the misfortune to be in power now, they would b3 struggling too. There are no easy solutions to all the chickens that are coming home to roost.
    Interesting Londoner's to pay more in NI than the rest of the country because they earn more

    https://twitter.com/TmorrowsPapers/status/1511690624067674118?t=sqm-iOif-APeOZKyzP9GSw&s=19
    Reason being only workers earning over £34k will pay more in NI under the plans.

    The London median wage is £34,439 compared to the UK median wage of £25,971
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,738

    Your strategy of incremental sanctions doesn’t work. Cannot work…That’s why 212 members of Parliament demand a special #EUCO meeting to decide on full sanctions immediately!

    https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1511667812137377804?s=20&t=D5hPeYDyDiaMHejT6mSSPQ

    Full credit for his passion.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited April 2022
    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    I am sure it is a total coincidence that Team Lynton are back in the stable of the Big Dog.
  • Sunak's wife is non-dom.

    He will not even be an MP in five years imho.

    His time on the greasy pole is soon at an end.

    He has had a political car crash and needs moving away from COE

    Bnng back Ken Clarke
    A month ago you wanted Rishi to be PM!

    And you joyously celebrated as Clarke was removed from the Tory Party.

    You’re like a parody of yourself at times
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,570
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    The new Electoral registration figures are out for Dec 2021. These are one year since the Dec 2020 figures which are being used for the boundary review.

    Overall registration is up 0.4% in Scotland and up 0.1% in Wales (both had elections last year) and up 3.4% in NI (not sure why). On the other hand in England it has fallen -1.0%. What is noticeable is that apart from the university seats the biggest drops in registration have tended to come in Inner London:

    Hampstead and Kilburn -8.9%
    Bermondsey and Old Southwark -6.6%
    Camberwell and Peckham -5.1%
    Vauxhall -4.7%
    Islington North -4.6%
    Tooting -4.5%
    Ealing Central and Acton -4.4%
    Islington South and Finsbury -4.1%
    Streatham -4.1%
    Putney -3.4%
    Dulwich and West Norwood -3.3%
    Twickenham -3.1%
    Lewisham East -2.9%
    Westminster North -2.8%
    Kensington -2.7%
    Lewisham, Deptford -2.7%
    Ealing, Southall -2.7%
    Finchley and Golders Green -2.6%
    Ealing North -2.6%
    Hornsey and Wood Green -2.5%

    it will be interesting to see if London recovers at all this year. London is gaining 2 seats in the boundary review based on the 2020 figures but probably wouldn't on the 2021 figures

    Somewhat oddly the biggest increase apart from in NI is Holborn and St Pancras up 3.2%, probably due to the massive King's Cross Central development

    All those twenty-somethings who used to rent in London and now WFH back at their parents' place.
    Good God I never thought of the electoral effect of this. Great spot. Wonder whether it'll show up in the council elections?
    London dropping in non-election years is what you'd expect. This is why basing the number of seats on registered voters is unfavourable to high-turnover areas.
    I've never understood that practice at all. Surely the job of elected politicians is to represent all the people in an area, not sure voters? E.g. U18s also need political representation.
    It is their job to represent everyone.

    But the electoral register is the most convenient way to keep an accurate record of numbers.
  • The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
    Tbh horse, I don’t think anyone has any big ideas. One off taxes on energy providers is great this year, but what about next? And the next? If labour had the misfortune to be in power now, they would b3 struggling too. There are no easy solutions to all the chickens that are coming home to roost.
    Interesting Londoner's to pay more in NI than the rest of the country because they earn more

    https://twitter.com/TmorrowsPapers/status/1511690624067674118?t=sqm-iOif-APeOZKyzP9GSw&s=19
    Big G plays the anti London card, it’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see how it works out for him
    Err - it is the London Evening Standard read by millions of Londoners

    You may try to troll my posts but it is so juvenile and tedious
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,283
    Strong Labour and LD opposition to privatisation of C4. However Conservative voters split on it, so Johnson may get away with it
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,250

    The Russian embassy in Paris has just tweeted a professionally photoshopped montage entitled "Film set, town of Bucha". I hope the ambassador will be expelled.

    https://twitter.com/AmbRusFrance/status/1511808212919635979

    image

    Massive business opportunity in AI being able to properly identify photoshopped images.
    They've done Goebbels proud.

    Although they should be aware he committed suicide in a bunker with his children when he lost.

    Although his children, of course, did not commit suicide.
    One of the most chilling scenes in "Downfall".
    Indeed. Utterly mad people.

    Although iirc the reality is she got a nursing aide to actually do the kids in with morphine.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,570

    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    Releasing scarce government capital so it can be reinvested into socially beneficial activity
  • The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
    Tbh horse, I don’t think anyone has any big ideas. One off taxes on energy providers is great this year, but what about next? And the next? If labour had the misfortune to be in power now, they would b3 struggling too. There are no easy solutions to all the chickens that are coming home to roost.
    Interesting Londoner's to pay more in NI than the rest of the country because they earn more

    https://twitter.com/TmorrowsPapers/status/1511690624067674118?t=sqm-iOif-APeOZKyzP9GSw&s=19
    Big G plays the anti London card, it’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see how it works out for him
    Err - it is the London Evening Standard read by millions of Londoners

    You may try to troll my posts but it is so juvenile and tedious
    You posted it because it’s deflection as usual. You’re one of the most anti London on here.

    I assume you didn’t get the reference BTW
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    pm215 said:

    darkage said:

    I don't think anyone in the real world is going to be concerned about who owns channel 4. Most people are more worried about their energy bills doubling.

    Yeah, I don't suppose anybody's going to make the issue itself the decider for who they vote for. But will people be pissed off that the government seems to be spending its time on this and not the cost of living crisis? Or maybe it just won't really register...
    People's gas, electricity and fuel bills will be what decide GE2024. I'm not sure where many households are going to be able to find the extra two or three hundred pounds a month from.

    Meanwhile we have a chancellor putting up taxes while his wife dodges them.

    Is it time to bet on a Labour majority yet?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    How many days did PBers take to recover from covid? I could almost convince myself that I’m feeling a bit better tonight after three days feeling grotty with it.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway feel bloody awful so taking my weary self, racked with coughing and fever, off to bed.

    Get well soon.
  • kyf_100 said:

    pm215 said:

    darkage said:

    I don't think anyone in the real world is going to be concerned about who owns channel 4. Most people are more worried about their energy bills doubling.

    Yeah, I don't suppose anybody's going to make the issue itself the decider for who they vote for. But will people be pissed off that the government seems to be spending its time on this and not the cost of living crisis? Or maybe it just won't really register...
    People's gas, electricity and fuel bills will be what decide GE2024. I'm not sure where many households are going to be able to find the extra two or three hundred pounds a month from.

    Meanwhile we have a chancellor putting up taxes while his wife dodges them.

    Is it time to bet on a Labour majority yet?
    I’m long on Labour Government propped up by the LDs at the moment
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,838
    HYUFD said:

    Strong Labour and LD opposition to privatisation of C4. However Conservative voters split on it, so Johnson may get away with it

    But why? What's the point? Haven't the government got more pressing matters to deal with?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319
    edited April 2022
    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    And all while he is out of the country at his Californian mansion.
  • HYUFD said:

    Strong Labour and LD opposition to privatisation of C4. However Conservative voters split on it, so Johnson may get away with it

    But why? What's the point? Haven't the government got more pressing matters to deal with?
    They are out of ideas.

    This is the cone hotline all over again
  • Sunak's wife is non-dom.

    He will not even be an MP in five years imho.

    His time on the greasy pole is soon at an end.

    He has had a political car crash and needs moving away from COE

    Bnng back Ken Clarke
    A month ago you wanted Rishi to be PM!

    And you joyously celebrated as Clarke was removed from the Tory Party.

    You’re like a parody of yourself at times
    Show me any post that I celebrated Ken Clarke removal from the party

    You would have had Corbyn running the country
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,556

    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    And for the good of society, that's a good thing- take the noise out of the debate and work out what a world where Trans People are people who deserve support and Feminists are people who deserve reassurance looks like.

    But from the point of a view of a movement who need a Culture War against the left to fight, it's a problem.

    If Starmer refuses to walk through the doors labelled "This is the Brexit War Trap" and "This is the Culture War Trap", what is the modern Conservative Party for? Anything else they try is going to be unpopular with most of their opponents and a fair chunk of their supporters.
  • Sunak's wife is non-dom.

    He will not even be an MP in five years imho.

    His time on the greasy pole is soon at an end.

    He has had a political car crash and needs moving away from COE

    Bnng back Ken Clarke
    A month ago you wanted Rishi to be PM!

    And you joyously celebrated as Clarke was removed from the Tory Party.

    You’re like a parody of yourself at times
    Show me any post that I celebrated Ken Clarke removal from the party

    You would have had Corbyn running the country
    You endorsed Johnson running the country. Then Rishi.

    Your judgment is terrible
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,250

    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    Releasing scarce government capital so it can be reinvested into socially beneficial activity
    The £1b that Ch4 is worth is an asset on government books while it is public.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,215
    Farooq said:

    The new Electoral registration figures are out for Dec 2021. These are one year since the Dec 2020 figures which are being used for the boundary review.

    Overall registration is up 0.4% in Scotland and up 0.1% in Wales (both had elections last year) and up 3.4% in NI (not sure why). On the other hand in England it has fallen -1.0%. What is noticeable is that apart from the university seats the biggest drops in registration have tended to come in Inner London:

    Hampstead and Kilburn -8.9%
    Bermondsey and Old Southwark -6.6%
    Camberwell and Peckham -5.1%
    Vauxhall -4.7%
    Islington North -4.6%
    Tooting -4.5%
    Ealing Central and Acton -4.4%
    Islington South and Finsbury -4.1%
    Streatham -4.1%
    Putney -3.4%
    Dulwich and West Norwood -3.3%
    Twickenham -3.1%
    Lewisham East -2.9%
    Westminster North -2.8%
    Kensington -2.7%
    Lewisham, Deptford -2.7%
    Ealing, Southall -2.7%
    Finchley and Golders Green -2.6%
    Ealing North -2.6%
    Hornsey and Wood Green -2.5%

    it will be interesting to see if London recovers at all this year. London is gaining 2 seats in the boundary review based on the 2020 figures but probably wouldn't on the 2021 figures

    Somewhat oddly the biggest increase apart from in NI is Holborn and St Pancras up 3.2%, probably due to the massive King's Cross Central development

    All those twenty-somethings who used to rent in London and now WFH back at their parents' place.
    Good God I never thought of the electoral effect of this. Great spot. Wonder whether it'll show up in the council elections?
    In outer London, my neck of the woods Redbridge currently has 51 Labour councillors out of 63, then 11 Tory and 1 Reform UK.

    Back in 1978 (when I first moved to Ilford), the council was 50 Conservative, 13 Labour.
  • The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
    Tbh horse, I don’t think anyone has any big ideas. One off taxes on energy providers is great this year, but what about next? And the next? If labour had the misfortune to be in power now, they would b3 struggling too. There are no easy solutions to all the chickens that are coming home to roost.
    Interesting Londoner's to pay more in NI than the rest of the country because they earn more

    https://twitter.com/TmorrowsPapers/status/1511690624067674118?t=sqm-iOif-APeOZKyzP9GSw&s=19
    Big G plays the anti London card, it’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see how it works out for him
    Err - it is the London Evening Standard read by millions of Londoners

    You may try to troll my posts but it is so juvenile and tedious
    You posted it because it’s deflection as usual. You’re one of the most anti London on here.

    I assume you didn’t get the reference BTW
    Troll
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319

    How many days did PBers take to recover from covid? I could almost convince myself that I’m feeling a bit better tonight after three days feeling grotty with it.

    9 days, but that was original Omicron not BA.2.
  • Starmer has effectively neutralised Brexit which is why those voters have swung back to Labour in the Red Wall
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,838

    Sunak's wife is non-dom.

    He will not even be an MP in five years imho.

    His time on the greasy pole is soon at an end.

    What is it about these people that, despite having more money than they can ever spend in their lifetime, they put so much effort into avoiding paying their taxes?

    Do they have no shame?
  • The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    The better question is: WHO is it for?

    People look at CoL and prices rising and they ask, why is the Government doing nothing and instead fighting men with vaginas and Channel 4?

    This is why they are going down, down, down.
    Nobody knows who it is for or what it is for.

    Meanwhile, on the trans thing, they have merely aligned with Labour’s policy. Rachel Reeves said much the same last week.
    The announcements the Tories are making suggest that they don’t have any big ideas and they’re now waiting for the inevitable.
    Tbh horse, I don’t think anyone has any big ideas. One off taxes on energy providers is great this year, but what about next? And the next? If labour had the misfortune to be in power now, they would b3 struggling too. There are no easy solutions to all the chickens that are coming home to roost.
    Interesting Londoner's to pay more in NI than the rest of the country because they earn more

    https://twitter.com/TmorrowsPapers/status/1511690624067674118?t=sqm-iOif-APeOZKyzP9GSw&s=19
    Big G plays the anti London card, it’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see how it works out for him
    Err - it is the London Evening Standard read by millions of Londoners

    You may try to troll my posts but it is so juvenile and tedious
    You posted it because it’s deflection as usual. You’re one of the most anti London on here.

    I assume you didn’t get the reference BTW
    Troll
    No it was Dodgeball actually
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,250
    HYUFD said:

    Strong Labour and LD opposition to privatisation of C4. However Conservative voters split on it, so Johnson may get away with it

    HoL will block.

    Not in manifesto.

    Nadine gone in the summer reshuffle.

    Barnacles must be removed in run up to 2024 GE.

  • Sunak's wife is non-dom.

    He will not even be an MP in five years imho.

    His time on the greasy pole is soon at an end.

    He has had a political car crash and needs moving away from COE

    Bnng back Ken Clarke
    A month ago you wanted Rishi to be PM!

    And you joyously celebrated as Clarke was removed from the Tory Party.

    You’re like a parody of yourself at times
    Show me any post that I celebrated Ken Clarke removal from the party

    You would have had Corbyn running the country
    You endorsed Johnson running the country. Then Rishi.

    Your judgment is terrible
    Of course it is
  • Sunak's wife is non-dom.

    He will not even be an MP in five years imho.

    His time on the greasy pole is soon at an end.

    He has had a political car crash and needs moving away from COE

    Bnng back Ken Clarke
    A month ago you wanted Rishi to be PM!

    And you joyously celebrated as Clarke was removed from the Tory Party.

    You’re like a parody of yourself at times
    Show me any post that I celebrated Ken Clarke removal from the party

    You would have had Corbyn running the country
    You endorsed Johnson running the country. Then Rishi.

    Your judgment is terrible
    Of course it is
    We’re getting somewhere!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,838
    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    And all while he is out of the country at his Californian mansion.
    How awful to kick a man when he's down, eh?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,020

    How many days did PBers take to recover from covid? I could almost convince myself that I’m feeling a bit better tonight after three days feeling grotty with it.

    My account manager was unwell two weeks ago, felt better but tested positive last week, feels even worse this week.

    But who knows. Maybe he had a heavy cold, asymptomatic Covid and now has the flu.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,738
    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    And all while he is out of the country at his Californian mansion.
    I thought it was an apartment in Santa Monica. (Albeit a rather expensive one.)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,250

    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    I am sure it is a total coincidence that Team Lynton are back in the stable of the Big Dog.
    Not sure why they are adding layers of mud like this. Bit unnecessary seeing as Sunak has, by his own volition, just delivered the most tin-eared, out of touch, deluded budget in modern times.

    They would be better keeping the powder dry just in case somehow he recovers in the autumn by undoing most of this spring budget and starting to help people who are being hammered.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,570

    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    Releasing scarce government capital so it can be reinvested into socially beneficial activity
    The £1b that Ch4 is worth is an asset on government books while it is public.
    £1bn that can’t be invested into something else.

    If Channel 4 didn’t exist at the moment would it be the right use of £1bn of taxpayers money to create a moderately successful but largely undifferentiated Tv channel. There’s a heck of a lot of more deserving applications
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Foxy said:

    How many days did PBers take to recover from covid? I could almost convince myself that I’m feeling a bit better tonight after three days feeling grotty with it.

    9 days, but that was original Omicron not BA.2.
    Thanks. Nine days from a positive test or from actual symptoms? (I assume you have to test daily as you are a doctor?)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,045

    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    I am sure it is a total coincidence that Team Lynton are back in the stable of the Big Dog.
    Kennel surely?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,570
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    And all while he is out of the country at his Californian mansion.
    I thought it was an apartment in Santa Monica. (Albeit a rather expensive one.)
    He’s muddling up Rishi and Harry - undistinguished beta males with foreign wives and a public school education
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,556

    HYUFD said:

    Strong Labour and LD opposition to privatisation of C4. However Conservative voters split on it, so Johnson may get away with it

    HoL will block.

    Not in manifesto.

    Nadine gone in the summer reshuffle.

    Barnacles must be removed in run up to 2024 GE.

    The competent but disloyal went ages ago.

    If Boris removes the incompetent but loyal, who is left?
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,177
    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Yeah, I don't suppose anybody's going to make the issue itself the decider for who they vote for. But will people be pissed off that the government seems to be spending its time on this and not the cost of living crisis? Or maybe it just won't really register...

    Though are people really going to be thinking 'if only the government weren't privatising channel 4, it could be passing legislation to make the cost of living less'? The cost of living isn't high because of government inaction or misplaced priorities, it's high because of Ukraine and covid. No amount of government legislation is going to make gas cheaper.
    Mmm, I think I agree on both points. People won't vote the government out because they view them as having wasted time on the wrong things -- they'll do it because their household finances have taken a massive hit. And they won't particularly be open to the "there's not much we could have done about it" argument, however true it might be.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,040
    edited April 2022
    Roger said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    I am sure it is a total coincidence that Team Lynton are back in the stable of the Big Dog.
    Kennel surely?
    Only pleb dogs get kennels. Big Dogs get a stable.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    That wasn't in the script:

    REPLACING Boris Johnson with one of the frontrunners in contention for the Tory leadership would only serve to boost support for independence in Scotland, a new poll has found...

    The poll of 1029 Scottish adults found that should Chancellor Rishi Sunak take over as Prime Minister, 13% of Scots said they would be more likely to support a Yes vote. This is opposed to the 6% who said they’d be more likely to oppose independence.

    The effect was even more pronounced should Liz Truss, the Foreign Secretary, take over from Johnson at the head of the Conservative Party. The YouGov poll found that 15% of Scots would be more likely to support leaving the UK if Truss was at its head, while just 5% would be more likely to vote No.


    https://archive.ph/GsarD#selection-1609.3-1635.167
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,838

    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    I am sure it is a total coincidence that Team Lynton are back in the stable of the Big Dog.
    Not sure why they are adding layers of mud like this. Bit unnecessary seeing as Sunak has, by his own volition, just delivered the most tin-eared, out of touch, deluded budget in modern times.

    They would be better keeping the powder dry just in case somehow he recovers in the autumn by undoing most of this spring budget and starting to help people who are being hammered.

    It's a good point. Also, I doubt most voters distinguish much between Sunak versus Johnson; rather they just see it as another mark against the Tories.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,016

    That wasn't in the script:

    REPLACING Boris Johnson with one of the frontrunners in contention for the Tory leadership would only serve to boost support for independence in Scotland, a new poll has found...

    The poll of 1029 Scottish adults found that should Chancellor Rishi Sunak take over as Prime Minister, 13% of Scots said they would be more likely to support a Yes vote. This is opposed to the 6% who said they’d be more likely to oppose independence.

    The effect was even more pronounced should Liz Truss, the Foreign Secretary, take over from Johnson at the head of the Conservative Party. The YouGov poll found that 15% of Scots would be more likely to support leaving the UK if Truss was at its head, while just 5% would be more likely to vote No.


    https://archive.ph/GsarD#selection-1609.3-1635.167

    How about someone a bit more sober. Wallace? Tugendhat? (Though Dura Ace has made an eloquent case against the latter).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,250

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    And all while he is out of the country at his Californian mansion.
    I thought it was an apartment in Santa Monica. (Albeit a rather expensive one.)
    He’s muddling up Rishi and Harry - undistinguished beta males with foreign wives and a public school education
    iirc the S Times claimed that Sunak had invited Johnson and family to Santa Monica for Easter. It was described as showing how they are still good pals.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,057
    Eabhal said:

    That wasn't in the script:

    REPLACING Boris Johnson with one of the frontrunners in contention for the Tory leadership would only serve to boost support for independence in Scotland, a new poll has found...

    The poll of 1029 Scottish adults found that should Chancellor Rishi Sunak take over as Prime Minister, 13% of Scots said they would be more likely to support a Yes vote. This is opposed to the 6% who said they’d be more likely to oppose independence.

    The effect was even more pronounced should Liz Truss, the Foreign Secretary, take over from Johnson at the head of the Conservative Party. The YouGov poll found that 15% of Scots would be more likely to support leaving the UK if Truss was at its head, while just 5% would be more likely to vote No.


    https://archive.ph/GsarD#selection-1609.3-1635.167

    How about someone a bit more sober. Wallace? Tugendhat? (Though Dura Ace has made an eloquent case against the latter).
    Not sure why the former is being touted either tbh.

    Got to be Penny Mordaunt.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,319

    Foxy said:

    How many days did PBers take to recover from covid? I could almost convince myself that I’m feeling a bit better tonight after three days feeling grotty with it.

    9 days, but that was original Omicron not BA.2.
    Thanks. Nine days from a positive test or from actual symptoms? (I assume you have to test daily as you are a doctor?)
    No, from onset of symptoms. Sore throat, burnt taste in mouth and fatigue.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,250

    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    Releasing scarce government capital so it can be reinvested into socially beneficial activity
    The £1b that Ch4 is worth is an asset on government books while it is public.
    £1bn that can’t be invested into something else.

    If Channel 4 didn’t exist at the moment would it be the right use of £1bn of taxpayers money to create a moderately successful but largely undifferentiated Tv channel. There’s a heck of a lot of more deserving applications
    But it no longer costs £1b. It costs nothing to tax payer iirc. It makes a surplus and reinvests. The asset is on the government books.

    If the argument is crikey we desperately need £1b then why is Sunak making promises to cut income tax to 19p sometime over the rainbow?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,057

    HYUFD said:

    Strong Labour and LD opposition to privatisation of C4. However Conservative voters split on it, so Johnson may get away with it

    HoL will block.

    Not in manifesto.

    Nadine gone in the summer reshuffle.

    Barnacles must be removed in run up to 2024 GE.

    The competent but disloyal went ages ago.

    If Boris removes the incompetent but loyal, who is left?
    The incompetent and disloyal.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,556

    The privatisation of C4 fails on the same lines as Christian Wolmar’s classic question: What is rail franchising for? (The point being nobody can give a good answer).

    What is C4 privatisation for?

    Releasing scarce government capital so it can be reinvested into socially beneficial activity
    The £1b that Ch4 is worth is an asset on government books while it is public.
    £1bn that can’t be invested into something else.

    If Channel 4 didn’t exist at the moment would it be the right use of £1bn of taxpayers money to create a moderately successful but largely undifferentiated Tv channel. There’s a heck of a lot of more deserving applications
    Though as @MaxPB suggested earlier, that £1 billion may well be wishful thinking. A lot of the value of C4 is what I think accountants call "goodwill"- the name, the history and reputation. (It's a long time since I did Work Experience in a local accountancy firm.) That stuff probably woudn't survive being sold to GlobalMediaCorp.

    And £1 billion a year is surprsingly little at the level of a country. If we're talking a one-off receipt, it's a rounding error.

    Alternatively- if that's the level of Family Silver Selling we're at, things are really bad. It's like selling your grandparent's wedding photos- the sentimental value far exceeds the cash that can be released.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641

    Farooq said:

    The new Electoral registration figures are out for Dec 2021. These are one year since the Dec 2020 figures which are being used for the boundary review.

    Overall registration is up 0.4% in Scotland and up 0.1% in Wales (both had elections last year) and up 3.4% in NI (not sure why). On the other hand in England it has fallen -1.0%. What is noticeable is that apart from the university seats the biggest drops in registration have tended to come in Inner London:

    Hampstead and Kilburn -8.9%
    Bermondsey and Old Southwark -6.6%
    Camberwell and Peckham -5.1%
    Vauxhall -4.7%
    Islington North -4.6%
    Tooting -4.5%
    Ealing Central and Acton -4.4%
    Islington South and Finsbury -4.1%
    Streatham -4.1%
    Putney -3.4%
    Dulwich and West Norwood -3.3%
    Twickenham -3.1%
    Lewisham East -2.9%
    Westminster North -2.8%
    Kensington -2.7%
    Lewisham, Deptford -2.7%
    Ealing, Southall -2.7%
    Finchley and Golders Green -2.6%
    Ealing North -2.6%
    Hornsey and Wood Green -2.5%

    it will be interesting to see if London recovers at all this year. London is gaining 2 seats in the boundary review based on the 2020 figures but probably wouldn't on the 2021 figures

    Somewhat oddly the biggest increase apart from in NI is Holborn and St Pancras up 3.2%, probably due to the massive King's Cross Central development

    All those twenty-somethings who used to rent in London and now WFH back at their parents' place.
    Good God I never thought of the electoral effect of this. Great spot. Wonder whether it'll show up in the council elections?
    In outer London, my neck of the woods Redbridge currently has 51 Labour councillors out of 63, then 11 Tory and 1 Reform UK.

    Back in 1978 (when I first moved to Ilford), the council was 50 Conservative, 13 Labour.
    Just the one LAB person who has won a GE since 1978
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    How many days did PBers take to recover from covid? I could almost convince myself that I’m feeling a bit better tonight after three days feeling grotty with it.

    9 days, but that was original Omicron not BA.2.
    Thanks. Nine days from a positive test or from actual symptoms? (I assume you have to test daily as you are a doctor?)
    No, from onset of symptoms. Sore throat, burnt taste in mouth and fatigue.
    Thankfully my taste is fine. That was what I was dreading most about covid!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    And all while he is out of the country at his Californian mansion.
    I thought it was an apartment in Santa Monica. (Albeit a rather expensive one.)
    He’s muddling up Rishi and Harry - undistinguished beta males with foreign wives and a public school education
    iirc the S Times claimed that Sunak had invited Johnson and family to Santa Monica for Easter. It was described as showing how they are still good pals.

    That does make me wonder, idly, if any of the Cabinet are actually friends. Someone I don't think Boris is good mates with the guy 16 years younger than him, much wealthier, who didn't go to Eaton.

    We have photographic proof Sunak and Javid at the least went to see Star Wars together, so I suppose they might be friendly.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited April 2022
    Nice polling trick to poll support for the war in Russia. They use a list with 3 other policies and ask, "How many of these policies do you support". Then they poll the same list without the war question, and see how much they differ.
    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2022/04/06/do-russians-tell-the-truth-when-they-say-they-support-the-war-in-ukraine-evidence-from-a-list-experiment/

    It's an internet panel recruited via mechanical turk with no demographic weighting, so ignore the actual numbers. The interesting part is the difference between the numbers you get with and without the preference-concealment trick, which are 68% vs 53%, ie a 15-point drop.

    So when you see polls showing 80% support, it's probably not really 80%... but it's definitely over 50%.

    That seems comparable to US polling of the Iraq War, support for a ground invasion seems to have been around 60% before, 70% immediately after.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,215

    Roger said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Someone has got it in for Sunak. First, the Winchester school donation. Now the non-dom tax status for his wife.

    Cui bono?

    I am sure it is a total coincidence that Team Lynton are back in the stable of the Big Dog.
    Kennel surely?
    Only pleb dogs get kennels. Big Dogs get a stable.
    Strong and stable?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640

    That wasn't in the script:

    REPLACING Boris Johnson with one of the frontrunners in contention for the Tory leadership would only serve to boost support for independence in Scotland, a new poll has found...

    The poll of 1029 Scottish adults found that should Chancellor Rishi Sunak take over as Prime Minister, 13% of Scots said they would be more likely to support a Yes vote. This is opposed to the 6% who said they’d be more likely to oppose independence.

    The effect was even more pronounced should Liz Truss, the Foreign Secretary, take over from Johnson at the head of the Conservative Party. The YouGov poll found that 15% of Scots would be more likely to support leaving the UK if Truss was at its head, while just 5% would be more likely to vote No.


    https://archive.ph/GsarD#selection-1609.3-1635.167

    Seems a bit harsh on Sunak and Truss, it's not like Boris is popular in Scotland after all. You'd think ditching him would be a rare moment of unity.
  • kle4 said:

    That wasn't in the script:

    REPLACING Boris Johnson with one of the frontrunners in contention for the Tory leadership would only serve to boost support for independence in Scotland, a new poll has found...

    The poll of 1029 Scottish adults found that should Chancellor Rishi Sunak take over as Prime Minister, 13% of Scots said they would be more likely to support a Yes vote. This is opposed to the 6% who said they’d be more likely to oppose independence.

    The effect was even more pronounced should Liz Truss, the Foreign Secretary, take over from Johnson at the head of the Conservative Party. The YouGov poll found that 15% of Scots would be more likely to support leaving the UK if Truss was at its head, while just 5% would be more likely to vote No.


    https://archive.ph/GsarD#selection-1609.3-1635.167

    Seems a bit harsh on Sunak and Truss, it's not like Boris is popular in Scotland after all. You'd think ditching him would be a rare moment of unity.
    In polls like this the numbers are small expressing an opinion I.e 19% on Rishi, 20% on Truss and it will be the 80% or so who will be the decisive factor
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