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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871
    edited April 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Voters by 41% to 38% now want the government to prioritise the economy over stopping the spread of Covid.

    By 44% to 36% they also want to end the ban on fracking

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1511751721504149508?s=20&t=qJ_27XRZIsgo94IK2gSIJQ
    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1511780860709810179?s=20&t=qJ_27XRZIsgo94IK2gSIJQ

    Is there any word on fracking in their vicinity, though?
    It’s like when people support tax rises to pay for stuff. They always support it if it’s someone else paying
    The problem with fracking is it tends to be most viable in Tory seats.
    Which is why it isn't likely.
    Given rising energy bills and bans on energy supplies from Russia, supply has to be increased somehow. The US has had success keeping energy prices down expanding fracking and shale extraction
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,026
    Ahem. I did predict this.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,491
    kle4 said:

    Zelensky's warming up to Macron. Probably rightly worried about the possibility of Le Putin, I mean Le Pen.

    Russian atrocities in the Kyiv region must be investigated and Russia itself must face new painful sanctions. Discussed that with EmmanuelMacron . We also talked about negotiations and humanitarian aid to the blocked 🇺🇦 cities. Thank you, my friend, for your principled position.

    https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1511445189054894086?cxt=HHwWjMC48YbZ3fkpAAAA

    ...nah, his bezzie is still Bozzie.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,266
    When did BENzema become BenZEEma?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    edited April 2022

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    To prove my point....in production.

    SLOW HORSES S02
    https://www.productionweekly.com/production-weekly-issue-1290-thursday-march-17-2022-199-listings-45-pages/

    None of this, Gary (Oldman) and Kristin (Scott Thomas), could you possibly give us a date when you fancy making some more of these, I know you might be busy, could you possibly fit us in perhaps 2024....

    That takes money and the BBC is limited by the licence fee. There's not much else to it.
    My point is BBC still trying to do things the old way, 6 episode season, a mate of a mate who is a big name will do you a favour and star in it for cheap, then you get stupid situations where you have Tom Hardy make a season of Taboo, that does pretty well, and then it is 5 years before he can fit you in again for season 2.

    They have to decide, either not to go down that route in the first place and not use the star talent or modernise. When the big players decide to go with these projects they are going to ensure they get their 5 seasons in 5 years.

    The BBC are setting light to money starting an IP and then leaving it years.
    Most series are drastically overlong and are flogged to within an inch of their lives. The Beeb’s six episode format - to use an absolutely horrible PB cliche - is a feature not a bug.
    Its not just the 6 episode format, it is the ridiculous gap between seasons.

    Can you imagine if you had the most shit hot new widget and then said yeah well we only made a few, come back in 5 years.....while acme industries down the street is also making shit hot new widgets, but they ensure they continually have new ones.

    The massive bucks are available if can get a show syndicated worldwide. In order to do that normally need to have a significant back catalogue. They did that with Top Gear and made a load of money. The problem is drama is now gone that way too.
    Most series are better off with sticking to just one season. There are exceptions, but in general the greats of TV just decline after season one.
    Dad's Army didn't really hit its stride until about season 4. Similarly all the Star Trek series start to get really good from about season 3.5 onwards. (Well, apart from Enterprise.)
    The Simpsons, too, didn't really get going until series 4.
    Parks and Rec, one of my all time favourite comedies. Rather mediocre series 1, but sort of watchable. Then soared away in season 2 and on it went

    And Blackadder! Does anyone ever re-watch season 1?? Then they got Ben Elton in and it turned into something brilliant
    Oh, yes, Blackwater 1 was utter dross.
    I would never claim Men Behaving Badly to be a classic, but it was well regarded at the time. But did you ever see series 1 with Harry Enfield instead if Neil Morrissey? Utter tosh.
    I have very fond memories of Men Behaving Badly (I never even watched series 1 coz everyone said it was awful)

    I’m guessing it has dated rather badly, but then that’s true of 99.7% of comedies.

    Why does comedy go so very stale so very quickly?
    Because a lot of it plays on an exaggerated version of real life, but life changes and so those references become out dated
    I think the best stuff holds up. Faulty Towers. One foot in the grave. Father Ted, the IT crowd.
    Frasier, anything by PG Wodehouse, Outnumbered.

    Situations date, and gag machines stop being funny if you've heard the gags before. (Can anyone care about any of the characters in Friends?). But characters we care about who interact and amuse us on the way... That's got a chance of surviving. That's why Yes, Minister and Dad's Army are kind of eternal and Are You Being Served? isn't.
    Never liked Friends, but the market says yes people care. Netflix paid insane amount of money at one point get it on their platform because its well known that Seinfeld, Friends, Fraser, all have people watch the episodes time and time and time again.

    I believe there was data that said some stupid % of all Netflix watching at that time was people watching Friends on repeat.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575
    Leon said:

    Ephesus. Oh, Ephesus

    The peach trees were in blossom, the slopes blushing pale and tender pink, the shrines of Jupiter were shining in the April sun

    And I was basically the only person there.

    Gratitude, Covid, Gratitude

    How's your Toblerone been served tonight?
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,432

    kle4 said:

    Zelensky's warming up to Macron. Probably rightly worried about the possibility of Le Putin, I mean Le Pen.

    Russian atrocities in the Kyiv region must be investigated and Russia itself must face new painful sanctions. Discussed that with EmmanuelMacron . We also talked about negotiations and humanitarian aid to the blocked 🇺🇦 cities. Thank you, my friend, for your principled position.

    https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1511445189054894086?cxt=HHwWjMC48YbZ3fkpAAAA

    ...nah, his bezzie is still Bozzie.
    Not Bez. Twisting his melon man.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,491

    Ahem. I did predict this.

    Predict what? Sunak's decline, the war on woke, or being on the cusp of President LePen.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,432

    Leon said:

    Ephesus. Oh, Ephesus

    The peach trees were in blossom, the slopes blushing pale and tender pink, the shrines of Jupiter were shining in the April sun

    And I was basically the only person there.

    Gratitude, Covid, Gratitude

    How's your Toblerone been served tonight?
    Oh Yangtze

    Beautiful Yangtze

    Home to a race

    Of fish
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    BigRich said:
    Couple of billion down the drain, tragic.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    rcs1000 said:



    I slightly adjusted my comment. But a) I am a bit dubious of that methodology e.g. 6hrs on average for oldies seem nonsense and b) the trend if your friend.....the trend is going one way, away from linear tv and fast.

    The question isn't what is the state of play now, its whats the state of play in 5 years. 5G is coming, that means streaming anywhere that has it will become trivial. In the car, on the train, out in the countryside, and will be available in 4k / HDR.

    Yes, I think you're right for specific programmes in the long run. However, live-streamed linear TV may have a future too. Radio is perhaps a guide to where that's heading. I know lots of people who have a radio station that they quite like (from Radio 4 to Smooth to Classic FM) on all day every day, so will count as "16 hours a day", but they only really listen intermittently. You can't do that with Netflix, which is based on the model of sitting down to watch something specific.

    Do most people care about 4k/HDR? If your favourite programme is Corrie or Emmerdale, still dominating the charts, do you mind if it's not 4k?
    With 5G, people will be absolutely able to continue to watch content on the go with ease.

    And we are talking about the immediate future. 43" 4k / HDR tellies are now £250, they are absolutely bottom end standard tv. Do you get the full benefit below 50", no, but cycle it will be 50" 4k tellies will be the next "standard" size. So increasingly yes, 4k is where will be at.

    And that is why Netflix, Sky, Amazon (and YouTube creators) have moved to this. They have adapted to the future already.
    You seem to know an awful lot about this stuff.
    I’m thinking of buying a new tv. What should I go for, ie spec?

    I really only watch tv for films, so picture quality (very black blacks etc) is v important.

    I’m alarmed at the idea of 50”. I hate it when a screen dominates a room.
    How long is a piece of string....depends on your budget. But for "very black blacks", it has to be QLED or OLED (well there are new technologies if you have crazy money). But I don't think you will find a QLED or OLED less than 50".

    Like so many industries, tellies are a globalised near duopoly in terms of who makes them *. Basically LG or Samsung make every high end panel (regardless of brand), so they dedicate the sizings.

    * Yes there are cheap Chinese manufacturers of LCD panels these days, because LG and Samsung don't care about LCD anymore.
    QLED is just an LCD with an LED backlit and very localised LEDs. That's available in smaller sizes - we have a 32 inch one.
    Well there is a special "quantum dot" layer as well. But yes. I didn't know they still made them as small as 32" though.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    The first nominations out in London - needless to say, Newham a little way off the pace.

    Not much polling news to report - I was reminded by @DoubleCarpet in 1981 Mitterrand won having been 2.5 points behind incumbent President Valery Giscard d'Estaing in the first ballot before winning by 3.5 points in the second round.

    Giscard d'Estaing's vote went up by 6.2 million from rounds one to two but Mitterrand's rose 10 million.

    The irony was in 1974 Mitterrand had led the first round by 10 points and lost the run off 50.8 to 49.2.

    I still think Le Pen has to be within a couple of points of Macron to win in the second round and the strong showing by Melenchon (still down on his 2017 numbers) still suggests to me irrespective of some of the commentary Macron will pick up a strong anti-Le Pen sentiment.

    I also see an article praising the French Right getting some mentions - arguably the first victim of Le Pen's revival isn't Macron but Pecresse and Les Republicans but we'll see in June if a strong FN vote in the presidency translates to a strong vote in the legislative elections.

    My final thought for the evening is to those on the left and centre-left wanting to get into a cultural wars skirmish with the right - in one word, don't. It's an elephant-sized trap especially at a time when cost of living issues potentially play well for those opposing the Government. The "culture wars" mean nothing to 99% of the population and it smacks of Conservative desperation when they keep trying to play the same old card.

    That must have been some election in 1981.

    Vote for the crook, or the...well, actually, the slightly bigger crook.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    Chelski down and out...
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 11,990
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    To prove my point....in production.

    SLOW HORSES S02
    https://www.productionweekly.com/production-weekly-issue-1290-thursday-march-17-2022-199-listings-45-pages/

    None of this, Gary (Oldman) and Kristin (Scott Thomas), could you possibly give us a date when you fancy making some more of these, I know you might be busy, could you possibly fit us in perhaps 2024....

    That takes money and the BBC is limited by the licence fee. There's not much else to it.
    My point is BBC still trying to do things the old way, 6 episode season, a mate of a mate who is a big name will do you a favour and star in it for cheap, then you get stupid situations where you have Tom Hardy make a season of Taboo, that does pretty well, and then it is 5 years before he can fit you in again for season 2.

    They have to decide, either not to go down that route in the first place and not use the star talent or modernise. When the big players decide to go with these projects they are going to ensure they get their 5 seasons in 5 years.
    The BBC can either produce a lot of TV cheaply or less TV very expensively. You seem to favour the latter while the BBC (up to now) has tended to do the former....
    Is it possible that the unique and irreplaceable bit of the BBC is news coverage with its significant degree of non bias and impartiality (never complete of course but it does sort of try) and world wide coverage. Not in hock to advertisers or government.

    And next radio, not general telly. And next its minority coverage. And the rest can be done by anyone with the cash and desire to make a few bob.

    That’s probably true. But the BBC’s argument is that they cannot justify the universal licence fee unless they offer something to everyone - which does make sense

    Trouble is they now have competitors who can do the stuff people really care about - eg TV drama - so much better because they have so much more money, and are less timid. The BBC is even getting overtaken in more niche areas like Nature documentaries

    I do not wish to see the BBC disappear. It’s an important part of UK soft power. But fuck knows how it can be saved
    Yes. News and current affairs coverage which has an inbuilt impartiality, worldwide reach and not at dictates of government or big business is a social good in itself as well as being as an aspect of soft power. The other element it brings is that of having a reasonable degree of reliability, which is at a premium in the age of twitter. It does not broadcast speculation as straight fact.

    As to funding, personally I would limit the BBCs remit to the irreplaceable stuff and radio (which is cheap) and put a levy on something like council tax (one step distant from government) to all households on the basis that it is a public good, like other public services, whether you use it or not.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,337
    edited April 2022
    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,432

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    To prove my point....in production.

    SLOW HORSES S02
    https://www.productionweekly.com/production-weekly-issue-1290-thursday-march-17-2022-199-listings-45-pages/

    None of this, Gary (Oldman) and Kristin (Scott Thomas), could you possibly give us a date when you fancy making some more of these, I know you might be busy, could you possibly fit us in perhaps 2024....

    That takes money and the BBC is limited by the licence fee. There's not much else to it.
    My point is BBC still trying to do things the old way, 6 episode season, a mate of a mate who is a big name will do you a favour and star in it for cheap, then you get stupid situations where you have Tom Hardy make a season of Taboo, that does pretty well, and then it is 5 years before he can fit you in again for season 2.

    They have to decide, either not to go down that route in the first place and not use the star talent or modernise. When the big players decide to go with these projects they are going to ensure they get their 5 seasons in 5 years.

    The BBC are setting light to money starting an IP and then leaving it years.
    Most series are drastically overlong and are flogged to within an inch of their lives. The Beeb’s six episode format - to use an absolutely horrible PB cliche - is a feature not a bug.
    Its not just the 6 episode format, it is the ridiculous gap between seasons.

    Can you imagine if you had the most shit hot new widget and then said yeah well we only made a few, come back in 5 years.....while acme industries down the street is also making shit hot new widgets, but they ensure they continually have new ones.

    The massive bucks are available if can get a show syndicated worldwide. In order to do that normally need to have a significant back catalogue. They did that with Top Gear and made a load of money. The problem is drama is now gone that way too.
    Most series are better off with sticking to just one season. There are exceptions, but in general the greats of TV just decline after season one.
    Dad's Army didn't really hit its stride until about season 4. Similarly all the Star Trek series start to get really good from about season 3.5 onwards. (Well, apart from Enterprise.)
    The Simpsons, too, didn't really get going until series 4.
    Parks and Rec, one of my all time favourite comedies. Rather mediocre series 1, but sort of watchable. Then soared away in season 2 and on it went

    And Blackadder! Does anyone ever re-watch season 1?? Then they got Ben Elton in and it turned into something brilliant
    Oh, yes, Blackwater 1 was utter dross.
    I would never claim Men Behaving Badly to be a classic, but it was well regarded at the time. But did you ever see series 1 with Harry Enfield instead if Neil Morrissey? Utter tosh.
    I have very fond memories of Men Behaving Badly (I never even watched series 1 coz everyone said it was awful)

    I’m guessing it has dated rather badly, but then that’s true of 99.7% of comedies.

    Why does comedy go so very stale so very quickly?
    Because a lot of it plays on an exaggerated version of real life, but life changes and so those references become out dated
    I think the best stuff holds up. Faulty Towers. One foot in the grave. Father Ted, the IT crowd.
    Frasier, anything by PG Wodehouse, Outnumbered.

    Situations date, and gag machines stop being funny if you've heard the gags before. (Can anyone care about any of the characters in Friends?). But characters we care about who interact and amuse us on the way... That's got a chance of surviving. That's why Yes, Minister and Dad's Army are kind of eternal and Are You Being Served? isn't.
    Never liked Friends, but the market says yes people care. Netflix paid insane amount of money at one point get it on their platform because its well known that Seinfeld, Friends, Fraser, all have people watch the episodes time and time and time again.

    I believe there was data that said some stupid % of all Netflix watching at that time was people watching Friends on repeat.
    It was also the same with the Us version of the Office
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,266
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Voters by 41% to 38% now want the government to prioritise the economy over stopping the spread of Covid.

    By 44% to 36% they also want to end the ban on fracking

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1511751721504149508?s=20&t=qJ_27XRZIsgo94IK2gSIJQ
    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1511780860709810179?s=20&t=qJ_27XRZIsgo94IK2gSIJQ

    Is there any word on fracking in their vicinity, though?
    It’s like when people support tax rises to pay for stuff. They always support it if it’s someone else paying
    The problem with fracking is it tends to be most viable in Tory seats.
    Which is why it isn't likely.
    Given rising energy bills and bans on energy supplies from Russia, supply has to be increased somehow. The US has had success keeping energy prices down expanding fracking and shale extraction
    Well. I tend to agree. We need to do everything. New nuclear, tidal, onshore wind, fracking. And strive to reduce consumption, too.
    But, it seems the government wants it to be painless. Hence nuclear and fracking. Which won't be up and running till they are all long retired.
    Oh. And fuel duty cuts too.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,526
    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    And is there any correlation between the number of tanks and the number of tankies?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    edited April 2022
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    To prove my point....in production.

    SLOW HORSES S02
    https://www.productionweekly.com/production-weekly-issue-1290-thursday-march-17-2022-199-listings-45-pages/

    None of this, Gary (Oldman) and Kristin (Scott Thomas), could you possibly give us a date when you fancy making some more of these, I know you might be busy, could you possibly fit us in perhaps 2024....

    That takes money and the BBC is limited by the licence fee. There's not much else to it.
    My point is BBC still trying to do things the old way, 6 episode season, a mate of a mate who is a big name will do you a favour and star in it for cheap, then you get stupid situations where you have Tom Hardy make a season of Taboo, that does pretty well, and then it is 5 years before he can fit you in again for season 2.

    They have to decide, either not to go down that route in the first place and not use the star talent or modernise. When the big players decide to go with these projects they are going to ensure they get their 5 seasons in 5 years.

    The BBC are setting light to money starting an IP and then leaving it years.
    Most series are drastically overlong and are flogged to within an inch of their lives. The Beeb’s six episode format - to use an absolutely horrible PB cliche - is a feature not a bug.
    Its not just the 6 episode format, it is the ridiculous gap between seasons.

    Can you imagine if you had the most shit hot new widget and then said yeah well we only made a few, come back in 5 years.....while acme industries down the street is also making shit hot new widgets, but they ensure they continually have new ones.

    The massive bucks are available if can get a show syndicated worldwide. In order to do that normally need to have a significant back catalogue. They did that with Top Gear and made a load of money. The problem is drama is now gone that way too.
    Most series are better off with sticking to just one season. There are exceptions, but in general the greats of TV just decline after season one.
    Dad's Army didn't really hit its stride until about season 4. Similarly all the Star Trek series start to get really good from about season 3.5 onwards. (Well, apart from Enterprise.)
    The Simpsons, too, didn't really get going until series 4.
    Parks and Rec, one of my all time favourite comedies. Rather mediocre series 1, but sort of watchable. Then soared away in season 2 and on it went

    And Blackadder! Does anyone ever re-watch season 1?? Then they got Ben Elton in and it turned into something brilliant
    Oh, yes, Blackwater 1 was utter dross.
    I would never claim Men Behaving Badly to be a classic, but it was well regarded at the time. But did you ever see series 1 with Harry Enfield instead if Neil Morrissey? Utter tosh.
    I have very fond memories of Men Behaving Badly (I never even watched series 1 coz everyone said it was awful)

    I’m guessing it has dated rather badly, but then that’s true of 99.7% of comedies.

    Why does comedy go so very stale so very quickly?
    Because a lot of it plays on an exaggerated version of real life, but life changes and so those references become out dated
    I think the best stuff holds up. Faulty Towers. One foot in the grave. Father Ted, the IT crowd.
    Frasier, anything by PG Wodehouse, Outnumbered.

    Situations date, and gag machines stop being funny if you've heard the gags before. (Can anyone care about any of the characters in Friends?). But characters we care about who interact and amuse us on the way... That's got a chance of surviving. That's why Yes, Minister and Dad's Army are kind of eternal and Are You Being Served? isn't.
    Never liked Friends, but the market says yes people care. Netflix paid insane amount of money at one point get it on their platform because its well known that Seinfeld, Friends, Fraser, all have people watch the episodes time and time and time again.

    I believe there was data that said some stupid % of all Netflix watching at that time was people watching Friends on repeat.
    It was also the same with the Us version of the Office
    I believe somebody has paid some stupid amount of money, $100 million a year, to win it off Netflix now for the US market.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Ephesus. Oh, Ephesus

    The peach trees were in blossom, the slopes blushing pale and tender pink, the shrines of Jupiter were shining in the April sun

    And I was basically the only person there.

    Gratitude, Covid, Gratitude

    Are you having a good time @Leon
    After an interlude of adjusting to the horror that is Izmir, yes. Marvellous. Also the sun has returned

    I have seen great things!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497
    edited April 2022

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    And is there any correlation between the number of tanks and the number of tankies?
    I'm just trying to keep track of their losses and how it affects their capacity to regroup in the east.

    (Incidentally if any of the tanks in reserve are worse than the ones they seem to have put out first they must actually be missing engines, guns or possibly the entire tank.)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 11,990

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    To prove my point....in production.

    SLOW HORSES S02
    https://www.productionweekly.com/production-weekly-issue-1290-thursday-march-17-2022-199-listings-45-pages/

    None of this, Gary (Oldman) and Kristin (Scott Thomas), could you possibly give us a date when you fancy making some more of these, I know you might be busy, could you possibly fit us in perhaps 2024....

    That takes money and the BBC is limited by the licence fee. There's not much else to it.
    My point is BBC still trying to do things the old way, 6 episode season, a mate of a mate who is a big name will do you a favour and star in it for cheap, then you get stupid situations where you have Tom Hardy make a season of Taboo, that does pretty well, and then it is 5 years before he can fit you in again for season 2.

    They have to decide, either not to go down that route in the first place and not use the star talent or modernise. When the big players decide to go with these projects they are going to ensure they get their 5 seasons in 5 years.

    The BBC are setting light to money starting an IP and then leaving it years.
    Most series are drastically overlong and are flogged to within an inch of their lives. The Beeb’s six episode format - to use an absolutely horrible PB cliche - is a feature not a bug.
    Its not just the 6 episode format, it is the ridiculous gap between seasons.

    Can you imagine if you had the most shit hot new widget and then said yeah well we only made a few, come back in 5 years.....while acme industries down the street is also making shit hot new widgets, but they ensure they continually have new ones.

    The massive bucks are available if can get a show syndicated worldwide. In order to do that normally need to have a significant back catalogue. They did that with Top Gear and made a load of money. The problem is drama is now gone that way too.
    Most series are better off with sticking to just one season. There are exceptions, but in general the greats of TV just decline after season one.
    Dad's Army didn't really hit its stride until about season 4. Similarly all the Star Trek series start to get really good from about season 3.5 onwards. (Well, apart from Enterprise.)
    The Simpsons, too, didn't really get going until series 4.
    Parks and Rec, one of my all time favourite comedies. Rather mediocre series 1, but sort of watchable. Then soared away in season 2 and on it went

    And Blackadder! Does anyone ever re-watch season 1?? Then they got Ben Elton in and it turned into something brilliant
    Oh, yes, Blackwater 1 was utter dross.
    I would never claim Men Behaving Badly to be a classic, but it was well regarded at the time. But did you ever see series 1 with Harry Enfield instead if Neil Morrissey? Utter tosh.
    I have very fond memories of Men Behaving Badly (I never even watched series 1 coz everyone said it was awful)

    I’m guessing it has dated rather badly, but then that’s true of 99.7% of comedies.

    Why does comedy go so very stale so very quickly?
    Because a lot of it plays on an exaggerated version of real life, but life changes and so those references become out dated
    I think the best stuff holds up. Faulty Towers. One foot in the grave. Father Ted, the IT crowd.
    Frasier, anything by PG Wodehouse, Outnumbered.

    Situations date, and gag machines stop being funny if you've heard the gags before. (Can anyone care about any of the characters in Friends?). But characters we care about who interact and amuse us on the way... That's got a chance of surviving. That's why Yes, Minister and Dad's Army are kind of eternal and Are You Being Served? isn't.
    Never liked Friends, but the market says yes people care. Netflix paid insane amount of money at one point get it on their platform because its well known that Seinfeld, Friends, Fraser, all have people watch the episodes time and time and time again.

    I believe there was data that said some stupid % of all Netflix watching at that time was people watching Friends on repeat.
    The rules never change. Number one, two and three is the quality of the script. Without that nothing lasts. Lousy script quality wrecks large numbers of very expensive productions. And in period stuff, they often get the costumes perfect, and the setting, but not the words and the tone.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,571
    2 jobs Bradley could be thicker than Nadine

    Leader of Nottinghamshire County Council and MP for Mansfield doesnt know C4 isn't the BBC.

    People of Mansfield hold your head in shame

    https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1511652956822806531
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,026

    Ahem. I did predict this.

    Predict what? Sunak's decline, the war on woke, or being on the cusp of President LePen.
    I've been tipping laying Sunak for months.

    (Admittedly I'm 9+ hours late to the thread)
  • @stodge

    Chirac also won in 1995 after getting second place in the first round, more than two points behind Jospin.
    But Jospin had much less potential voters and lost the second round 53/47.

    This time the total Macron + left wing candidates is still around 55%. Thus only very low turnout from the left could open the door to Le Pen. That’s what the polls putting her at 47.5 or 47 are showing. I don’t believe it can be even higher.


  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    And is there any correlation between the number of tanks and the number of tankies?
    I'm just trying to keep track of their losses and how it affects their capacity to regroup in the east.

    (Incidentally if any of the tanks in reserve are worse than the ones they seem to have put out first they must actually be missing engines, guns or possibly the entire tank.)
    Should I offer the Russia Embassy the loan of the Covenanter?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 12,892

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    To prove my point....in production.

    SLOW HORSES S02
    https://www.productionweekly.com/production-weekly-issue-1290-thursday-march-17-2022-199-listings-45-pages/

    None of this, Gary (Oldman) and Kristin (Scott Thomas), could you possibly give us a date when you fancy making some more of these, I know you might be busy, could you possibly fit us in perhaps 2024....

    That takes money and the BBC is limited by the licence fee. There's not much else to it.
    My point is BBC still trying to do things the old way, 6 episode season, a mate of a mate who is a big name will do you a favour and star in it for cheap, then you get stupid situations where you have Tom Hardy make a season of Taboo, that does pretty well, and then it is 5 years before he can fit you in again for season 2.

    They have to decide, either not to go down that route in the first place and not use the star talent or modernise. When the big players decide to go with these projects they are going to ensure they get their 5 seasons in 5 years.

    The BBC are setting light to money starting an IP and then leaving it years.
    Most series are drastically overlong and are flogged to within an inch of their lives. The Beeb’s six episode format - to use an absolutely horrible PB cliche - is a feature not a bug.
    Its not just the 6 episode format, it is the ridiculous gap between seasons.

    Can you imagine if you had the most shit hot new widget and then said yeah well we only made a few, come back in 5 years.....while acme industries down the street is also making shit hot new widgets, but they ensure they continually have new ones.

    The massive bucks are available if can get a show syndicated worldwide. In order to do that normally need to have a significant back catalogue. They did that with Top Gear and made a load of money. The problem is drama is now gone that way too.
    Most series are better off with sticking to just one season. There are exceptions, but in general the greats of TV just decline after season one.
    Dad's Army didn't really hit its stride until about season 4. Similarly all the Star Trek series start to get really good from about season 3.5 onwards. (Well, apart from Enterprise.)
    The Simpsons, too, didn't really get going until series 4.
    Parks and Rec, one of my all time favourite comedies. Rather mediocre series 1, but sort of watchable. Then soared away in season 2 and on it went

    And Blackadder! Does anyone ever re-watch season 1?? Then they got Ben Elton in and it turned into something brilliant
    Oh, yes, Blackwater 1 was utter dross.
    I would never claim Men Behaving Badly to be a classic, but it was well regarded at the time. But did you ever see series 1 with Harry Enfield instead if Neil Morrissey? Utter tosh.
    I have very fond memories of Men Behaving Badly (I never even watched series 1 coz everyone said it was awful)

    I’m guessing it has dated rather badly, but then that’s true of 99.7% of comedies.

    Why does comedy go so very stale so very quickly?
    A lot of comedy relies on unspoken context to work well - the things that everyone knows without having to say explicitly - but this sort of context often only exists ephemerally, and once it is gone then the complexity and nuance is stripped from the joke.

    Drama is trying to say something about fundamentally what it means to live, and to deal with all the trials and tribulations that might be met. In many respects the context is then just costume and setting, and not central to the essence of the story being told.
    And yet, I would argue that the best sitcoms - Dad's Army, What Became of the Likely Lads, Porridge, Ever Devreasing Circles, One Foot in the Grave, the Royle Family, the Office, Detectorists - say far more about what it means to live than drama does. Because real life has humour. And pathos. And because in drama your guard is up; in comedy it isn't.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    The European Union has sent almost €1billion to Russia each day for energy since the war in Ukraine began, its chief of foreign affairs admitted earlier today.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871
    edited April 2022

    @stodge

    Chirac also won in 1995 after getting second place in the first round, more than two points behind Jospin.
    But Jospin had much less potential voters and lost the second round 53/47.

    This time the total Macron + left wing candidates is still around 55%. Thus only very low turnout from the left could open the door to Le Pen. That’s what the polls putting her at 47.5 or 47 are showing. I don’t believe it can be even higher.


    Assuming Melenchon voters mainly vote for Macron.

    Not guaranteed. On economics and foreign policy Melenchon voters are closer to Le Pen, only on cultural and social values are they closer to Macron. (Albeit Pecresse voters are closer to Macron on economics and foreign policy but less so on cultural and social values but there are fewer of them than Melenchon voters now). Zemmour voters will be strongly for Le Pen too
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,337
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    To prove my point....in production.

    SLOW HORSES S02
    https://www.productionweekly.com/production-weekly-issue-1290-thursday-march-17-2022-199-listings-45-pages/

    None of this, Gary (Oldman) and Kristin (Scott Thomas), could you possibly give us a date when you fancy making some more of these, I know you might be busy, could you possibly fit us in perhaps 2024....

    That takes money and the BBC is limited by the licence fee. There's not much else to it.
    My point is BBC still trying to do things the old way, 6 episode season, a mate of a mate who is a big name will do you a favour and star in it for cheap, then you get stupid situations where you have Tom Hardy make a season of Taboo, that does pretty well, and then it is 5 years before he can fit you in again for season 2.

    They have to decide, either not to go down that route in the first place and not use the star talent or modernise. When the big players decide to go with these projects they are going to ensure they get their 5 seasons in 5 years.

    The BBC are setting light to money starting an IP and then leaving it years.
    Most series are drastically overlong and are flogged to within an inch of their lives. The Beeb’s six episode format - to use an absolutely horrible PB cliche - is a feature not a bug.
    Its not just the 6 episode format, it is the ridiculous gap between seasons.

    Can you imagine if you had the most shit hot new widget and then said yeah well we only made a few, come back in 5 years.....while acme industries down the street is also making shit hot new widgets, but they ensure they continually have new ones.

    The massive bucks are available if can get a show syndicated worldwide. In order to do that normally need to have a significant back catalogue. They did that with Top Gear and made a load of money. The problem is drama is now gone that way too.
    Most series are better off with sticking to just one season. There are exceptions, but in general the greats of TV just decline after season one.
    Dad's Army didn't really hit its stride until about season 4. Similarly all the Star Trek series start to get really good from about season 3.5 onwards. (Well, apart from Enterprise.)
    The Simpsons, too, didn't really get going until series 4.
    Parks and Rec, one of my all time favourite comedies. Rather mediocre series 1, but sort of watchable. Then soared away in season 2 and on it went

    And Blackadder! Does anyone ever re-watch season 1?? Then they got Ben Elton in and it turned into something brilliant
    Oh, yes, Blackwater 1 was utter dross.
    I would never claim Men Behaving Badly to be a classic, but it was well regarded at the time. But did you ever see series 1 with Harry Enfield instead if Neil Morrissey? Utter tosh.
    I have very fond memories of Men Behaving Badly (I never even watched series 1 coz everyone said it was awful)

    I’m guessing it has dated rather badly, but then that’s true of 99.7% of comedies.

    Why does comedy go so very stale so very quickly?
    A lot of comedy relies on unspoken context to work well - the things that everyone knows without having to say explicitly - but this sort of context often only exists ephemerally, and once it is gone then the complexity and nuance is stripped from the joke.

    Drama is trying to say something about fundamentally what it means to live, and to deal with all the trials and tribulations that might be met. In many respects the context is then just costume and setting, and not central to the essence of the story being told.
    And yet, I would argue that the best sitcoms - Dad's Army, What Became of the Likely Lads, Porridge, Ever Devreasing Circles, One Foot in the Grave, the Royle Family, the Office, Detectorists - say far more about what it means to live than drama does. Because real life has humour. And pathos. And because in drama your guard is up; in comedy it isn't.
    Yes. The best comedy often uses jokes as a Trojan horse for some serious drama.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    And is there any correlation between the number of tanks and the number of tankies?
    I'm just trying to keep track of their losses and how it affects their capacity to regroup in the east.

    (Incidentally if any of the tanks in reserve are worse than the ones they seem to have put out first they must actually be missing engines, guns or possibly the entire tank.)
    Should I offer the Russia Embassy the loan of the Covenanter?
    Depends on what terms you putin.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,607
    ydoethur said:

    That must have been some election in 1981.

    Vote for the crook, or the...well, actually, the slightly bigger crook.

    Arguably the last real Socialist Government in Western Europe - the first couple of years of the Mauroy Government. He had to throttle back to accede to the will of the European Monetary System - his Government wouldn't be the last to yield to the EMS or ERM of course.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,432

    2 jobs Bradley could be thicker than Nadine

    Leader of Nottinghamshire County Council and MP for Mansfield doesnt know C4 isn't the BBC.

    People of Mansfield hold your head in shame

    https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1511652956822806531

    Why would anyone care ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    Never doubted Chelsea could come back into it....
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm worried that there are enough French people who haven't benefited from globalisation and are willing to gamble on Le Pen. We had it here with Brexit, which was ultimately just leaving a trade/political union, France electing Le Pen would be a real "hold my beer" moment from the French.

    The haughtiness of Macron is also an issue, rather than accept globalisation has a lot of losers he's one of those global elites who likes to pretend that trade isn't essentially a zero sum game which puts up huge skill barriers for well paid jobs.

    I'm hopeful that we won't end up with Le Pen, but I think contingency planning is necessary. I'm also worried that once she gets power removing her will be as difficult as removing Orban.

    Marine Le Pen is not that scary. She’s not her dad, nor is she her niece.

    She’d be a traditional Gaullist with some left wing statist economic polices and quite a lot of prickly nationalism, but she wouldn’t start deporting people en masse

    She would also want a second term so I don’t see her attacking the basic structure of the French state.

    To me she is considerably less frightening than Trump - or Jeremy Corbyn
    She will be very weak/sycophantic on Russia
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575

    The European Union has sent almost €1billion to Russia each day for energy since the war in Ukraine began, its chief of foreign affairs admitted earlier today.

    Fuckers. Turn off the gas taps and put on a few extra layers, Europe....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    edited April 2022

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
    They will all be out with their Swastikas Z's though....
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,607
    HYUFD said:


    Assuming Melenchon voters mainly vote for Macron.

    Not guaranteed. On economics and foreign policy Melenchon voters are closer to Le Pen, only on cultural and social values are they closer to Macron. (Albeit Pecresse voters are closer to Macron on economics and foreign policy but less so on cultural and social values but there are fewer of them than Melenchon voters now). Zemmour voters will be strongly for Le Pen too

    Why do you think Pecresse has performed so poorly?

    It doesn't augur well for LR in the legislative elections but as we've discussed before, it could be a confused result.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,571

    @stodge

    Chirac also won in 1995 after getting second place in the first round, more than two points behind Jospin.
    But Jospin had much less potential voters and lost the second round 53/47.

    This time the total Macron + left wing candidates is still around 55%. Thus only very low turnout from the left could open the door to Le Pen. That’s what the polls putting her at 47.5 or 47 are showing. I don’t believe it can be even higher.


    I would vote Melenchon in first round

    If he didnt make it into final 2 wouldnt vote in 2nd round
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Assuming Melenchon voters mainly vote for Macron.

    Not guaranteed. On economics and foreign policy Melenchon voters are closer to Le Pen, only on cultural and social values are they closer to Macron. (Albeit Pecresse voters are closer to Macron on economics and foreign policy but less so on cultural and social values but there are fewer of them than Melenchon voters now). Zemmour voters will be strongly for Le Pen too

    Why do you think Pecresse has performed so poorly?

    It doesn't augur well for LR in the legislative elections but as we've discussed before, it could be a confused result.
    She has lost voters to the right to Zemmour and voters to the centre to Macron.

    LR might well lose some seats but if there is a swing v EM in June they will still hold most of them as the main non EM party. RN and Melenchon's party will likely make gains in the legislative elections though
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,526

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
    They will all be out with their Swastikas Z's though....
    They could respond to Ukraine's use of tractors by showing off their latest combine harvester technology.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497
    edited April 2022

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
    They will all be out with their Swastikas Z's though....
    They could respond to Ukraine's use of tractors by showing off their latest combine harvester technology.
    Wheat a suggestion.

    I know it's corny but I couldn't resist...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
    They will all be out with their Swastikas Z's though....
    They could respond to Ukraine's use of tractors by showing off their latest combine harvester technology.
    Wheat a suggestion.

    I know it's corny but I couldn't resist...
    Barley worth making....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
    They will all be out with their Swastikas Z's though....
    They could respond to Ukraine's use of tractors by showing off their latest combine harvester technology.
    Wheat a suggestion.

    I know it's corny but I couldn't resist...
    Barley worth making....
    People will rye the day they made such puns.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,507
    Megan Markle wants to trademark the word 'archetype'.
  • HYUFD said:




    Assuming Melenchon voters mainly vote for Macron.

    Not guaranteed. On economics and foreign policy Melenchon voters are closer to Le Pen, only on cultural and social values are they closer to Macron. (Albeit Pecresse voters are closer to Macron on economics and foreign policy but less so on cultural and social values but there are fewer of them than Melenchon voters now). Zemmour voters will be strongly for Le Pen too

    Melenchon voters are in large parts lower and middle ranking civil servants and non-white minorities. Both categories are deeply suspicious of Le Pen. The good thing for her is that a lot of them also despise Macron.
  • stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    The first nominations out in London - needless to say, Newham a little way off the pace.

    Not much polling news to report - I was reminded by @DoubleCarpet in 1981 Mitterrand won having been 2.5 points behind incumbent President Valery Giscard d'Estaing in the first ballot before winning by 3.5 points in the second round.

    Giscard d'Estaing's vote went up by 6.2 million from rounds one to two but Mitterrand's rose 10 million.

    The irony was in 1974 Mitterrand had led the first round by 10 points and lost the run off 50.8 to 49.2.

    I still think Le Pen has to be within a couple of points of Macron to win in the second round and the strong showing by Melenchon (still down on his 2017 numbers) still suggests to me irrespective of some of the commentary Macron will pick up a strong anti-Le Pen sentiment.

    I also see an article praising the French Right getting some mentions - arguably the first victim of Le Pen's revival isn't Macron but Pecresse and Les Republicans but we'll see in June if a strong FN vote in the presidency translates to a strong vote in the legislative elections.

    My final thought for the evening is to those on the left and centre-left wanting to get into a cultural wars skirmish with the right - in one word, don't. It's an elephant-sized trap especially at a time when cost of living issues potentially play well for those opposing the Government. The "culture wars" mean nothing to 99% of the population and it smacks of Conservative desperation when they keep trying to play the same old card.

    I bet on Giscard d'Estaing in 1974. It was my first political bet. I don't think the 2-1 that my history teacher gave me was very generous but at least he paid up.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,006
    The great irony of the current position in Ukraine is if Russia has aimed lower (land bridge to Crimea and extend existing territory in the East), they could have achieved their current gains far more easily and without as strong Western sanctions / support for Ukraine.

    And now they are completely isolated and shown to be a paper bear militarily. Their nuclear weapons and gas their only remaining sources of strength.

    Strategically this has to be the biggest military own goal there has been for a long time.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,607

    The European Union has sent almost €1billion to Russia each day for energy since the war in Ukraine began, its chief of foreign affairs admitted earlier today.

    Fuckers. Turn off the gas taps and put on a few extra layers, Europe....
    I believe we are still buying gas from Russia as well - today's commitment talks of an end to the imports of Russian oil and gas by 2022. We get 18% of our diesel from Russia so it's not a pain-free option to turn off the tap but that's the thing with sanctions. If they are hurting you, you can be sure they are hurting the other side more.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,026
    I think the Trans activism is ultimately self-defeating because the more traction it gets the more political resistance it will face.

    Put simply: most people aren't nutters. So they'll be ignored until it causes real problems and then they'll lose.
  • HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Assuming Melenchon voters mainly vote for Macron.

    Not guaranteed. On economics and foreign policy Melenchon voters are closer to Le Pen, only on cultural and social values are they closer to Macron. (Albeit Pecresse voters are closer to Macron on economics and foreign policy but less so on cultural and social values but there are fewer of them than Melenchon voters now). Zemmour voters will be strongly for Le Pen too

    Why do you think Pecresse has performed so poorly?

    It doesn't augur well for LR in the legislative elections but as we've discussed before, it could be a confused result.
    She has lost voters to the right to Zemmour and voters to the centre to Macron.

    LR might well lose some seats but if there is a swing v EM in June they will still hold most of them as the main non EM party. RN and Melenchon's party will likely make gains in the legislative elections though
    She is a poor public speaker in front of crowds (much better in debates and tv interviews). This weakness was exposed by first rallies.
    The macronist power and their media supporters focused relentlessly on her during at least January and half of February. a very negative campaign focusing on the supposed weakness of LR split between centrists and right-wing (curiously enough nobody pointed out that it is a divide narrower than between Macron supporters, some of them having fought each other for decades before joining him).
    She never escaped that trap and progressively got marginalized exactly when Le Pen started to solidify again as the main challenger to Macron.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,529
    Can Nato ships escort Ukrainian ships out of Odessa? Would the rest of the world be outraged by this attempt to keep the Ukrainian economy going and the world's poorest from starving?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Lol @ Chelski
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,475
    edited April 2022

    The European Union has sent almost €1billion to Russia each day for energy since the war in Ukraine began, its chief of foreign affairs admitted earlier today.

    Fuckers. Turn off the gas taps and put on a few extra layers, Europe....
    The UK timetable for weaning itself off Russian diesel is available as a model: we'll do our very BEST to end imports by the end of the year.

    Park up those Chelski tractors, lads.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,026
    Marion Maréchal-Le Pen gives me every impression of being like a human praying mantis.

    She strikes me as someone who, in extremis, might well take a man to bed for cold brutal sex only to finish him off with a luger afterwards.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,200
    Leon said:

    Excellent NYT article on how the French Right has used “wokisme” (an entirely new word for them) and social media et al to SUCCESSFULLY wage a culture war and force l’Overton window their way

    They set up think tanks and everything. They are destroying the vile woke progressive left, even in academe

    The British right must learn from this


    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1511715859089309699?s=21&t=HCgZG_qqM9FMoATPqN40jA

    On cultural issues - the political establishment across Europe is dominated by a divisive and puritannical agenda by what may be described as the postmodern left, or the 'woke'. It is intolerant of dissenting views on a wide range of issues... abortion, Islam, gender, immigration etc... which often reflect the very deeply held beliefs of a vast number of people. The way forward isn't to be found in smashing the postmodern left to nothing, but through somehow finding a way for both sets of views to co-exist within a framework of democracy. The left may not like this, but it is the only way the Europe we know can prevail.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,140
    Leon said:

    Interesting piece on the resurrection of Le Pen by Anne-Elisabeth Moutet:

    https://unherd.com/2022/04/the-resurrection-of-marine-le-pen/

    But most of all, Marine Le Pen has been helped by Emmanuel Macron. Discontented voters chose him five years ago to spite the other, older, hackneyed candidates — a populist reflex for a man who used populist means for decidedly non-populist policies. His victory was built on the cold-eyed destruction of traditional political parties Left and Right, and he never stopped to consider the effect on public life. He cherry-picked the most compatible and the most docile personalities from both the Socialists and the Républicains, gave them seats in the House and Cabinet, stringently barred them from having any kind of independent views, and declared himself as being neither Left nor Right.

    Like the spoiled child he has been for all 44 years of his charmed life, political and personal, Macron has never had to face consequences for his decisions; for him, turning the French Republic into an atomised wasteland of individuals matters not one bit. (He will be remembered as the Houellebecq President.) Under his presidency, France was shaken by popular revolts such as the Gilets Jaunes who felt no one was representing them in a country of weak unions and even weaker parties.

    'Like the spoiled child he has been for all 44 years of his charmed life, political and personal, Macron has never had to face consequences for his decisions'

    Uh huh.
    I don’t wish to be ungallant, but looking at his wife, I wouldn’t say Macron’s “personal life” has been completely “charmed”. Indeed rumours say the opposite
    Macron is an anti English cock.

    But he's also implemented a lot of very necessary, very unpopular, returns to the French labour market and to the age of retirement for civil servants.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,475
    edited April 2022

    Marion Maréchal-Le Pen gives me every impression of being like a human praying mantis.

    She strikes me as someone who, in extremis, might well take a man to bed for cold brutal sex only to finish him off with a luger afterwards.

    Being finished off with a Luger is a very niche kink.
  • PensfoldPensfold Posts: 191
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Interesting piece on the resurrection of Le Pen by Anne-Elisabeth Moutet:

    https://unherd.com/2022/04/the-resurrection-of-marine-le-pen/

    But most of all, Marine Le Pen has been helped by Emmanuel Macron. Discontented voters chose him five years ago to spite the other, older, hackneyed candidates — a populist reflex for a man who used populist means for decidedly non-populist policies. His victory was built on the cold-eyed destruction of traditional political parties Left and Right, and he never stopped to consider the effect on public life. He cherry-picked the most compatible and the most docile personalities from both the Socialists and the Républicains, gave them seats in the House and Cabinet, stringently barred them from having any kind of independent views, and declared himself as being neither Left nor Right.

    Like the spoiled child he has been for all 44 years of his charmed life, political and personal, Macron has never had to face consequences for his decisions; for him, turning the French Republic into an atomised wasteland of individuals matters not one bit. (He will be remembered as the Houellebecq President.) Under his presidency, France was shaken by popular revolts such as the Gilets Jaunes who felt no one was representing them in a country of weak unions and even weaker parties.

    'Like the spoiled child he has been for all 44 years of his charmed life, political and personal, Macron has never had to face consequences for his decisions'

    Uh huh.
    I don’t wish to be ungallant, but looking at his wife, I wouldn’t say Macron’s “personal life” has been completely “charmed”. Indeed rumours say the opposite
    Macron is an anti English cock.

    But he's also implemented a lot of very necessary, very unpopular, returns to the French labour market and to the age of retirement for civil servants.
    Reforms?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 26,977
    MrEd said:

    Leon said:

    Endillion said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's striking how much support Boris Johnson is getting for his comments on trans issues from people who are not his natural supporters. This one is typical:

    @annettepacey
    Oh god oh no someone I loathe just made a really good point. Still could never bring myself to vote for the bastard but this is what happens when Labour turn their backs on women and leave an open goal #labourlosingwomen


    https://twitter.com/annettepacey/status/1511691419647455237

    No, I've been told by PB experts that saying women have cocks won't hurt Labour.
    Boris's comments are quite good and thoughtful.

    The Trans Activist usual approach is to ram through their preferred measures before anyone gets any time to reflect properly upon the issue, and this is more considered.

    Here is what BJ said. This is I think the full video of 1:39. Sky also seem to be putting out a truncated one at 1:04 length.

    https://news.sky.com/story/pm-says-biological-males-should-not-compete-in-female-sport-and-venues-should-have-women-only-spaces-12583536

    I haven't got my head around the latest kerfuffle.

    Does, for example, the (Aiui) long-held Trans-Activist demand to be allowed to medicate without supervision children who are deemed by their parents to be trans count as Conversion Therapy? If so, the various organisations are demanding that this be banned.

    ISTM very important that required time is taken.

    This is an even longer version than the one I linked.

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1511669445877551104
    I just saw the Guardian News version, and the YT comments are an endless procession of people who clearly dislike Johnson in general, but are in agreement on this issue. It's actually hard to find anyone who disagrees with him. Labour are mincemeat unless they ditch Stonewall completely on this.
    If "c**ks in frocks" gets the traction and votes Johnson hopes it will in the face of economic Armageddon, we deserve no less than Johnson as sine die PM.

    Cocks in frocks might just work simply because no party has an answer to the impending economic tsunami. What is Labour’s solution? Nationalise everything? That worked well in Venezuela

    Question is whether Labour can come up with a plausible list of lies that might persuade people they have some brilliant answer (when they don’t, because there isn’t one)

    I don’t know if Starmer has it in him to be that mendacious. Johnson does

    And if the economic argument is a stalemate because no one has a clue what to do, then the Tories might win because the war on Woke does have traction
    Re the “c*cos in frocks” points, there are two issues here when it comes to voters, one is the direct issue itself and the second is what how the leader handles it says about the person.

    So, for Starmer, I’d argue his problem could be more the second than the first. Yes, there are not a few women who like @Cyclefree who feel passionately about it but there are probably a good few people who feel as though the issue gets far more attention that it should and not a few on the right who think feminists are reaping what they sowed.

    However, for many, not being able to answer what should be a simple question which most voters would say they can (“what is a woman?”) and displaying what seems to be cowardice / prevarication on the issue is going to be a turn off. Many will say “do I want someone as PM who struggles to handle such a question? How would he handle himself when it comes to the real serious stuff?”
    Shades of Gordon Brown taking two days to tell Mumsnet his favourite biscuit.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 874
    Leon said:

    Unpopular said:

    Leon said:

    Endillion said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's striking how much support Boris Johnson is getting for his comments on trans issues from people who are not his natural supporters. This one is typical:

    @annettepacey
    Oh god oh no someone I loathe just made a really good point. Still could never bring myself to vote for the bastard but this is what happens when Labour turn their backs on women and leave an open goal #labourlosingwomen


    https://twitter.com/annettepacey/status/1511691419647455237

    No, I've been told by PB experts that saying women have cocks won't hurt Labour.
    Boris's comments are quite good and thoughtful.

    The Trans Activist usual approach is to ram through their preferred measures before anyone gets any time to reflect properly upon the issue, and this is more considered.

    Here is what BJ said. This is I think the full video of 1:39. Sky also seem to be putting out a truncated one at 1:04 length.

    https://news.sky.com/story/pm-says-biological-males-should-not-compete-in-female-sport-and-venues-should-have-women-only-spaces-12583536

    I haven't got my head around the latest kerfuffle.

    Does, for example, the (Aiui) long-held Trans-Activist demand to be allowed to medicate without supervision children who are deemed by their parents to be trans count as Conversion Therapy? If so, the various organisations are demanding that this be banned.

    ISTM very important that required time is taken.

    This is an even longer version than the one I linked.

    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1511669445877551104
    I just saw the Guardian News version, and the YT comments are an endless procession of people who clearly dislike Johnson in general, but are in agreement on this issue. It's actually hard to find anyone who disagrees with him. Labour are mincemeat unless they ditch Stonewall completely on this.
    If "c**ks in frocks" gets the traction and votes Johnson hopes it will in the face of economic Armageddon, we deserve no less than Johnson as sine die PM.

    Cocks in frocks might just work simply because no party has an answer to the impending economic tsunami. What is Labour’s solution? Nationalise everything? That worked well in Venezuela

    Question is whether Labour can come up with a plausible list of lies that might persuade people they have some brilliant answer (when they don’t, because there isn’t one)

    I don’t know if Starmer has it in him to be that mendacious. Johnson does

    And if the economic argument is a stalemate because no one has a clue what to do, then the Tories might win because the war on Woke does have traction
    On the first point, I think you might be fighting the last war. Labour under Starmer don't seem that keen to nationalise everything. He even said he wouldn't nationalise rail, which is generally popular.

    Were I to put on my clown make-up and wig of naivety I would even suggest that Starmer might not even need to lie. The current Government appear to be using the motto 'To Seem, not to be', though they're not doing that well on the seeming. With an optimistic bent, most of our problems aren't even unprecedented, and so surely there's a way through beyond telling the best lies. C'mon Leon, where's the optimism and bombast?
    “Most of our problems aren’t unprecedented”

    Lol
    I don't think they are! Climate change, maybe (though I'd argue not unprecedented, just we've never been able to have an influence over it). But pandemics have been and gone, economic woes suffered through. Wars have killed millions.

    I don't want to make a the sun will rise tomorrow kind of argument, because that would be flippant. The arc of history is long, and can be several shades of shit over multiple centuries. I don't have any answers, but surely none of these problems are beyond the wit of man, long term. Indeed, the answers are fairly simple it's just getting there.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,026
    Farooq said:

    I think the Trans activism is ultimately self-defeating because the more traction it gets the more political resistance it will face.

    Put simply: most people aren't nutters. So they'll be ignored until it causes real problems and then they'll lose.

    Sorry, what exactly would you need to be a "nutter" to support? I'm not sure if there's a specific story you're on about because "trans activism" seems like a broad target.

    EDIT: "broad target", oh god, that was... no
    Farooq said:

    I think the Trans activism is ultimately self-defeating because the more traction it gets the more political resistance it will face.

    Put simply: most people aren't nutters. So they'll be ignored until it causes real problems and then they'll lose.

    Sorry, what exactly would you need to be a "nutter" to support? I'm not sure if there's a specific story you're on about because "trans activism" seems like a broad target.

    EDIT: "broad target", oh god, that was... no
    "Women have cocks."
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,200
    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm worried that there are enough French people who haven't benefited from globalisation and are willing to gamble on Le Pen. We had it here with Brexit, which was ultimately just leaving a trade/political union, France electing Le Pen would be a real "hold my beer" moment from the French.

    The haughtiness of Macron is also an issue, rather than accept globalisation has a lot of losers he's one of those global elites who likes to pretend that trade isn't essentially a zero sum game which puts up huge skill barriers for well paid jobs.

    I'm hopeful that we won't end up with Le Pen, but I think contingency planning is necessary. I'm also worried that once she gets power removing her will be as difficult as removing Orban.

    Marine Le Pen is not that scary. She’s not her dad, nor is she her niece.

    She’d be a traditional Gaullist with some left wing statist economic polices and quite a lot of prickly nationalism, but she wouldn’t start deporting people en masse

    She would also want a second term so I don’t see her attacking the basic structure of the French state.

    To me she is considerably less frightening than Trump - or Jeremy Corbyn
    She will be very weak/sycophantic on Russia
    This is a concern, but we have survived 4 years of Trump.

    I think her Putin links will be used to good effect against her in the campaign. He has become toxic due to the war in Ukraine.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 26,977
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Excl: Rishi Sunak’s millionaire wife ‘avoided tax through non-dom status’

    The Treasury declined to comment. A spokesperson for Rishi Sunak did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-akshata-murthy-non-dom-wife-tax-b2052251.html

    Boris has clearly patched it up with Dom
    Or Boris's new friend-of-Crosby spinmeister, David Canzini, perhaps?
  • Oh dear Everton
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,023
    My Everton point still stands - going down
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
    To some extend,

    One question about the invasion is why has Russia not used its lutes Tank the T14. so far there are no reports of any destroyed/captured T 14 Tanks, nor I believe any photos/videos of any in acction. so if they have used it will be on a very small scale. there are a few possible reasons, and it could be a combination.

    a) There are still teething troubles to be sorted out before its battle ready.

    b) Putin does not what to risk one be captured by the Ukrainians who might give/sell to USA.

    c) Its not nearly as good as the west fears and if it failed in combat that would look bad,

    One other option I had not thought about till now, is maybe Putin planes to use them all in his big parade in May?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,507
    darkage said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm worried that there are enough French people who haven't benefited from globalisation and are willing to gamble on Le Pen. We had it here with Brexit, which was ultimately just leaving a trade/political union, France electing Le Pen would be a real "hold my beer" moment from the French.

    The haughtiness of Macron is also an issue, rather than accept globalisation has a lot of losers he's one of those global elites who likes to pretend that trade isn't essentially a zero sum game which puts up huge skill barriers for well paid jobs.

    I'm hopeful that we won't end up with Le Pen, but I think contingency planning is necessary. I'm also worried that once she gets power removing her will be as difficult as removing Orban.

    Marine Le Pen is not that scary. She’s not her dad, nor is she her niece.

    She’d be a traditional Gaullist with some left wing statist economic polices and quite a lot of prickly nationalism, but she wouldn’t start deporting people en masse

    She would also want a second term so I don’t see her attacking the basic structure of the French state.

    To me she is considerably less frightening than Trump - or Jeremy Corbyn
    She will be very weak/sycophantic on Russia
    This is a concern, but we have survived 4 years of Trump.

    I think her Putin links will be used to good effect against her in the campaign. He has become toxic due to the war in Ukraine.
    He's been toxic a long time. See BBC4 right now. Ukraine is peak toxicity. So far.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    Farooq said:

    darkage said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm worried that there are enough French people who haven't benefited from globalisation and are willing to gamble on Le Pen. We had it here with Brexit, which was ultimately just leaving a trade/political union, France electing Le Pen would be a real "hold my beer" moment from the French.

    The haughtiness of Macron is also an issue, rather than accept globalisation has a lot of losers he's one of those global elites who likes to pretend that trade isn't essentially a zero sum game which puts up huge skill barriers for well paid jobs.

    I'm hopeful that we won't end up with Le Pen, but I think contingency planning is necessary. I'm also worried that once she gets power removing her will be as difficult as removing Orban.

    Marine Le Pen is not that scary. She’s not her dad, nor is she her niece.

    She’d be a traditional Gaullist with some left wing statist economic polices and quite a lot of prickly nationalism, but she wouldn’t start deporting people en masse

    She would also want a second term so I don’t see her attacking the basic structure of the French state.

    To me she is considerably less frightening than Trump - or Jeremy Corbyn
    She will be very weak/sycophantic on Russia
    This is a concern, but we have survived 4 years of Trump.

    I think her Putin links will be used to good effect against her in the campaign. He has become toxic due to the war in Ukraine.
    I can't believe this site is free
    Still a point worth saying - he hasn't become toxic everywhere due to the war after all, even in Europe.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,026
    On topic, I think Sunak has totally misjudged the Zeitgeist.

    He's obsessed with balancing the current account and thinks voters will reward him for fiscal conservatism, alone, at the ballot box if he takes "tough decisions" now.

    They won't - and especially not if it hits them in the pocket.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,140
    BigRich said:

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
    To some extend,

    One question about the invasion is why has Russia not used its lutes Tank the T14. so far there are no reports of any destroyed/captured T 14 Tanks, nor I believe any photos/videos of any in acction. so if they have used it will be on a very small scale. there are a few possible reasons, and it could be a combination.

    a) There are still teething troubles to be sorted out before its battle ready.

    b) Putin does not what to risk one be captured by the Ukrainians who might give/sell to USA.

    c) Its not nearly as good as the west fears and if it failed in combat that would look bad,

    One other option I had not thought about till now, is maybe Putin planes to use them all in his big parade in May?
    My understanding is that they only have a couple of dozen of their newest tanks, and that it is very prone to breaking down.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,618
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
    They will all be out with their Swastikas Z's though....
    They could respond to Ukraine's use of tractors by showing off their latest combine harvester technology.
    Wheat a suggestion.

    I know it's corny but I couldn't resist...
    Barley worth making....
    People will rye the day they made such puns.
    Millet-ary displays are to be taken seriously.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,507

    On topic, I think Sunak has totally misjudged the Zeitgeist.

    He's obsessed with balancing the current account and thinks voters will reward him for fiscal conservatism, alone, at the ballot box if he takes "tough decisions" now.

    They won't - and especially not if it hits them in the pocket.

    Do you think the CotE should spend like there's no tomorrow?
    On reflection, perhaps he should.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 26,977
    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    No, but I've seen it suggested that some of their tanks are not really tanks but more like armoured personnel carrier/tank hybrids, and not always the latest model. It looks like the Russians believed their own propaganda that they'd just whizz in, destroy any Ukrainian roadblocks and be garlanded by a grateful populace.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    Can Nato ships escort Ukrainian ships out of Odessa? Would the rest of the world be outraged by this attempt to keep the Ukrainian economy going and the world's poorest from starving?

    I think the biggest problem might be mines, both sides have lade mine fields at sea, Russia is unlikely to tell us where theirs are, and if a ship military or civilian where to sink on a Russian mine they will blame it on Ukrainian mines, we would send minesweepers, but a) they take time to do there thing, and be they would be in danger themselves
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    edited April 2022
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Voters by 41% to 38% now want the government to prioritise the economy over stopping the spread of Covid.

    By 44% to 36% they also want to end the ban on fracking

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1511751721504149508?s=20&t=qJ_27XRZIsgo94IK2gSIJQ
    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1511780860709810179?s=20&t=qJ_27XRZIsgo94IK2gSIJQ

    Is there any word on fracking in their vicinity, though?
    It’s like when people support tax rises to pay for stuff. They always support it if it’s someone else paying
    The problem with fracking is it tends to be most viable in Tory seats.
    Which is why it isn't likely.
    Given rising energy bills and bans on energy supplies from Russia, supply has to be increased somehow. The US has had success keeping energy prices down expanding fracking and shale extraction
    Different country, indeed continent. Wide sedimentary basins vs the small, faulted and cooked shale basins of the UK. HMG are insane if they think that fracking and nukes are the answer. But of course the most informed electorate in the world like them (Tory MPs).

    Edit: AIUI there is a role for a from of fracking - but in the offshore basins where it s ALREADY used.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,352
    edited April 2022

    My Everton point still stands - going down

    +1 - I said that back in January when they appointed Frank Lampard.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,618
    geoffw said:

    On topic, I think Sunak has totally misjudged the Zeitgeist.

    He's obsessed with balancing the current account and thinks voters will reward him for fiscal conservatism, alone, at the ballot box if he takes "tough decisions" now.

    They won't - and especially not if it hits them in the pocket.

    Do you think the CotE should spend like there's no tomorrow?
    On reflection, perhaps he should.
    The only way to be popular in modern British politics is to spend like a drunken sailor. There are very few votes in fiscal responsibility.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
    They will all be out with their Swastikas Z's though....
    They could respond to Ukraine's use of tractors by showing off their latest combine harvester technology.
    Wheat a suggestion.

    I know it's corny but I couldn't resist...
    Barley worth making....
    People will rye the day they made such puns.
    Millet-ary displays are to be taken seriously.
    Yes, they can lead to serious injera.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,266
    Been saying since January we're going down Shockingly tough fixtures to come.
    That and we're no good.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
    They will all be out with their Swastikas Z's though....
    They could respond to Ukraine's use of tractors by showing off their latest combine harvester technology.
    Wheat a suggestion.

    I know it's corny but I couldn't resist...
    Barley worth making....
    People will rye the day they made such puns.
    Millet-ary displays are to be taken seriously.
    Yes, they can lead to serious injera.
    It's a teff life.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,140
    Pensfold said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Interesting piece on the resurrection of Le Pen by Anne-Elisabeth Moutet:

    https://unherd.com/2022/04/the-resurrection-of-marine-le-pen/

    But most of all, Marine Le Pen has been helped by Emmanuel Macron. Discontented voters chose him five years ago to spite the other, older, hackneyed candidates — a populist reflex for a man who used populist means for decidedly non-populist policies. His victory was built on the cold-eyed destruction of traditional political parties Left and Right, and he never stopped to consider the effect on public life. He cherry-picked the most compatible and the most docile personalities from both the Socialists and the Républicains, gave them seats in the House and Cabinet, stringently barred them from having any kind of independent views, and declared himself as being neither Left nor Right.

    Like the spoiled child he has been for all 44 years of his charmed life, political and personal, Macron has never had to face consequences for his decisions; for him, turning the French Republic into an atomised wasteland of individuals matters not one bit. (He will be remembered as the Houellebecq President.) Under his presidency, France was shaken by popular revolts such as the Gilets Jaunes who felt no one was representing them in a country of weak unions and even weaker parties.

    'Like the spoiled child he has been for all 44 years of his charmed life, political and personal, Macron has never had to face consequences for his decisions'

    Uh huh.
    I don’t wish to be ungallant, but looking at his wife, I wouldn’t say Macron’s “personal life” has been completely “charmed”. Indeed rumours say the opposite
    Macron is an anti English cock.

    But he's also implemented a lot of very necessary, very unpopular, returns to the French labour market and to the age of retirement for civil servants.
    Reforms?
    Yes: it is now much easier to let people go in France, civil servants need to work longer before retiring, and a whole bunch of other little things.

    Now, is it like the UK, New Zealand or the US? No.

    But if you look at the OECD research you will see that they have made some decent progress, at least compared to where they were: https://www.oecd.org/els/emp/oecdindicatorsofemploymentprotection.htm
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 26,977

    On topic, I think Sunak has totally misjudged the Zeitgeist.

    He's obsessed with balancing the current account and thinks voters will reward him for fiscal conservatism, alone, at the ballot box if he takes "tough decisions" now.

    They won't - and especially not if it hits them in the pocket.

    Or Sunak has misjudged a different zeitgeist, pre-Ukraine and perhaps pre-cost of living crisis. Remember those reports of traditionalist or Thatcherite Conservative MPs who were worried about the direction of travel under Boris, with spending up, taxes up, and, even before Covid, plans for massive public investment that would not have looked out of place in Jeremy Corbyn's manifesto.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,140

    Marion Maréchal-Le Pen gives me every impression of being like a human praying mantis.

    She strikes me as someone who, in extremis, might well take a man to bed for cold brutal sex only to finish him off with a luger afterwards.

    Do you reckon it would be worth it?
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Voters by 41% to 38% now want the government to prioritise the economy over stopping the spread of Covid.

    By 44% to 36% they also want to end the ban on fracking

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1511751721504149508?s=20&t=qJ_27XRZIsgo94IK2gSIJQ
    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1511780860709810179?s=20&t=qJ_27XRZIsgo94IK2gSIJQ

    Is there any word on fracking in their vicinity, though?
    It’s like when people support tax rises to pay for stuff. They always support it if it’s someone else paying
    The problem with fracking is it tends to be most viable in Tory seats.
    Which is why it isn't likely.
    Given rising energy bills and bans on energy supplies from Russia, supply has to be increased somehow. The US has had success keeping energy prices down expanding fracking and shale extraction
    Different country, indeed continent. Wide sedimentary basins vs the small, faulted and cooked shale basins of the UK. HMG are insane if they think that fracking and nukes are the answer. But of course the most informed electorate in the world like them (Tory MPs).

    Edit: AIUI there is a role for a from of fracking - but in the offshore basins where it s ALREADY used.
    Let the fracking pilots continue. Any investment risk will be private sector, they won't drill for production unless very sure it will be worthwhile.
  • FossFoss Posts: 879
    BigRich said:

    Can Nato ships escort Ukrainian ships out of Odessa? Would the rest of the world be outraged by this attempt to keep the Ukrainian economy going and the world's poorest from starving?

    I think the biggest problem might be mines, both sides have lade mine fields at sea, Russia is unlikely to tell us where theirs are, and if a ship military or civilian where to sink on a Russian mine they will blame it on Ukrainian mines, we would send minesweepers, but a) they take time to do there thing, and be they would be in danger themselves
    The biggest problem will be that the Turks have closed the Dardanelles and Bosphorus to all warships.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    Lukaku seems to go from total world beater to Vanarama league player......
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,405

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Excl: Rishi Sunak’s millionaire wife ‘avoided tax through non-dom status’

    The Treasury declined to comment. A spokesperson for Rishi Sunak did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-akshata-murthy-non-dom-wife-tax-b2052251.html

    Boris has clearly patched it up with Dom
    Or Boris's new friend-of-Crosby spinmeister, David Canzini, perhaps?
    Someone who knows what they're doing is clearly out to get young Rishi. Leaking this stuff when he's several time zones away is ruthless efficiency.

    But it is No 10, or Friends of No 10, what does this say about the relationship between the PM and his Chancellor? And that BoJo can't just weplace Wishi?
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:
    Does anyone know how many tanks they had before they launched the invasion?
    Wikipedia has figures for the army as a whole. Not sure if there's an estimate for the forces assembled around Ukraine on Feb 24th.

    Total for army as a whole is 2,945 active tanks (11,200 in reserve, supposedly).

    So (confirmed by photo) losses are now at just over 15% of active tanks for the army as a whole.
    This year's Moscow May Day parade is going to look like it happened in 1957, such will be the need to raid the museums for some tanks to trundle past...
    They will all be out with their Swastikas Z's though....
    They could respond to Ukraine's use of tractors by showing off their latest combine harvester technology.
    Wheat a suggestion.

    I know it's corny but I couldn't resist...
    Barley worth making....
    People will rye the day they made such puns.
    Not if they have a rye sense of humour.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,140

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Voters by 41% to 38% now want the government to prioritise the economy over stopping the spread of Covid.

    By 44% to 36% they also want to end the ban on fracking

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1511751721504149508?s=20&t=qJ_27XRZIsgo94IK2gSIJQ
    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1511780860709810179?s=20&t=qJ_27XRZIsgo94IK2gSIJQ

    Is there any word on fracking in their vicinity, though?
    It’s like when people support tax rises to pay for stuff. They always support it if it’s someone else paying
    The problem with fracking is it tends to be most viable in Tory seats.
    Which is why it isn't likely.
    Given rising energy bills and bans on energy supplies from Russia, supply has to be increased somehow. The US has had success keeping energy prices down expanding fracking and shale extraction
    Different country, indeed continent. Wide sedimentary basins vs the small, faulted and cooked shale basins of the UK. HMG are insane if they think that fracking and nukes are the answer. But of course the most informed electorate in the world like them (Tory MPs).

    Edit: AIUI there is a role for a from of fracking - but in the offshore basins where it s ALREADY used.
    Let the fracking pilots continue. Any investment risk will be private sector, they won't drill for production unless very sure it will be worthwhile.
    None of the onshore fracking pilots were particularly encouraging - which was depressing as I'm an igas shareholder!
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    A lot of these jokes are relying on things being spelt wrong.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,200

    I think the Trans activism is ultimately self-defeating because the more traction it gets the more political resistance it will face.

    Put simply: most people aren't nutters. So they'll be ignored until it causes real problems and then they'll lose.

    This is a complicated issue. What concerns me is that allegations of 'transphobia' have a chilling effect on any public discussion of it. It would surely be better if people felt able to speak freely in exploring the issues. This is more likely to ultimately lead to genuine acceptance and understanding. Otherwise you are just storing up a lot of hatred and resentment, which will eventually find an expression.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,026
    geoffw said:

    On topic, I think Sunak has totally misjudged the Zeitgeist.

    He's obsessed with balancing the current account and thinks voters will reward him for fiscal conservatism, alone, at the ballot box if he takes "tough decisions" now.

    They won't - and especially not if it hits them in the pocket.

    Do you think the CotE should spend like there's no tomorrow?
    On reflection, perhaps he should.
    Sunak faces terrible choices but I think it's better for the Tories to run on long NHS waiting lists than it is on high taxes and still fairly long NHS waiting lists.

    I don't think anyone will notice the effects of this "extra" money; they will notice their paypackets and eyewatering energy bills.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,618
    dixiedean said:

    Been saying since January we're going down Shockingly tough fixtures to come.
    That and we're no good.

    As someone who has seen my team relegated a number of times, including to League One, I can sympathise. It was on a number of occasions the trigger to a turn in fortunes. Indeed I really enjoyed winning League One. Its great to watch a winning team, even when playing Cheltenham or Yeovil.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,140
    On the subject of energy, I though in situ coal gasification looked to be by far the most energy efficient method of extracting additional hydrocarbon resource in the UK.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,607
    It seems the Newham nominations are now out.

    In my Ward, I have three Labour, three Conservative, three Green, three Christian People's Alliance, one Reform UK and one Independent chasing the three seats.

    Some choice!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,266

    Lukaku seems to go from total world beater to Vanarama league player......

    He did that at Everton too.
    Frustratingly streaky player. Unplayable for three, four games. Then anonymous again.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,026
    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    On topic, I think Sunak has totally misjudged the Zeitgeist.

    He's obsessed with balancing the current account and thinks voters will reward him for fiscal conservatism, alone, at the ballot box if he takes "tough decisions" now.

    They won't - and especially not if it hits them in the pocket.

    Do you think the CotE should spend like there's no tomorrow?
    On reflection, perhaps he should.
    The only way to be popular in modern British politics is to spend like a drunken sailor. There are very few votes in fiscal responsibility.
    If there's a structural problem with funding social care then introduce a moderate asset tax.

    In the same way that only Nixon could go to China, only the Tories could have framed the introduction of this and got away with it, but that time has now gone.
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