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17 months. That’s all it took, though to judge by the outraged comments from Ministers it may as well have been 17 centuries ago, so short are their memories. What happened 17 months ago that could possibly have any relevance today?
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Johnson is outraged at P & O. I am sure he is, he certainly should be.
Oh, and first.
No.
Beyond the issue of a Minister of Crown green-lighting violations of law - international or otherwise - on grounds of "necessity, my question is this:
Can CEO of P&O be judged in contempt of the House of Commons? And Lords?
Ain't got a vote, but sure seems that way to me.
Just a day or so, to make the point that such pirates can NOT come before a parliamentary committee then brag about breaking the law and their determination to do it again if (they think it) need be.
EDIT - BTW, do we know approximate size & remuneration of P&O "payroll vote" in Parliament? Am assuming it is greater than zero both ways.
This isn't a fecking speeding offence. Either the law applies, or it doesn't. If it does, he's just left his company with no defence at all when he is sued. If it doesn't, then in saying it does he's clearly so stupid he shouldn't even be running the DfE never mind a private company.
Utter madness. This is a company that whatever its financial state is clearly in the last throes of collapse.
https://publicappointments.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/appointment/chair-post-office-limited/
I know all about culture change and banking. I am independent - possibly too much so, have personal resilience and won't take any shit from anyone. And I have huge experience clearing up other's shit. Etc etc.
On the other hand it wouldn't exactly be an easy life ...
Hmm .....🤔
Things NOT to say at an interview with this lot.
Did this always [==post war] used to happen, but it never got the publicity?
I take issue with a part of the final paragraph though. I don't think the outrage is itself faux outrage, it is merely inconsistent and hypocritical outrage given the approach endosed previously.
Plus consultation is not just about whether the plans go ahead. It's also about the amount of compensation paid. The unions might have focused on getting a better package. From what I can see P&O have offered the bare minimum.
Hebblethwaite: I'm really sorry about the way we treated our workers, and I regret breaking the law.
MP: Would you do the same again?
Hebblethwaite: Oh yes, absolutely - no problem.
As apologies go, it's up there with Johnson's faux apologies for attending parties that never happened because they were work events.
The outrage is the outrage at seeing one's own failings replayed to you, realising this so shouting loudly in the hope no-one will notice.
Since P&O have admitted that they knowingly broke the law, does anyone know what the maximum punishment is?
"Unlike Cressida Dick, Dido Harding and Paula Vennells, I am a competent woman who has put the right people in prison. Isn't it about time you tried appointing someone who's good at her job?"
I may dress it up a bit .....
> contempt proceedings & judgement versus P&O CEO
> new legislation and/or enforcement/use of existing law, regulations, etc. to outlaw/prevent/punish P&O's actions re: maritime employment AND passenger safety
Somebody ought to do it, the sooner the better - aye, mateys, aye!
Far more often, however, it conducts pointless consultations to rubber-stamp foregone conclusions. Having worked in government for many years I've seen more than my fair share of those. I can certainly understand the management's impatience with them, however much lawyers love them.
The more interesting question is what the company's underlying financial situation is and whether directors are in breach of various company law requirements, some of which may involve personal liability on the company's directors.
As a old seadog, with more saltwater down the hatch than you've had hot tea AND warm beer, I am outraged by the outrageous acts perpetrated by the buccaneers at the helm of the P&0.
I'd say such dastards deserve keelhauling IF it warn't too good for such foul flotsam.
Yr quasi-obedient s'rv'nt,
Captain Crunch
Truly the Ukr war has changed the world!
Hopefully it won't come to that, but the longer we leave it the worse it will get. The current government have scant regard for the law. The opposition have many failings, surely many grievous failings, but there can be few things that are as important or fundamental as respect for the rule of law.
Lawmakers cannot be lawbreakers. All those with respect for the law must do all that they can to drive the Tories from office. When there are in opposition they will learn that one function of the law is to protect those not in power from those who are, and hopefully they will remember the next time they are in power.
Doesn't work for everyone, of course.
Ah, my coats.
I also think that P&O probably made a ruthless but ultimately brilliant calculation. The pay off the workers get may well be better than may otherwise have been the case had the company gone in to a protacted industrial relations struggle and subsequently gone bust.
"Rishi Sunak refuses to answer questions about his millionaire wife's stake in Indian firm with Russian connections amid western sanctions after being asked if his family 'could be benefitting from Putin's regime'."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOo25ajVUBYUEME?format=jpg&name=small
Sounds like a virtual NATO associate status without the article 5.
It was the first thing that came to mind as I heard Huw Merriman, Chair of the Select Committe, on the WATO today driving home from Keswick.
How long do you think before someone in Labour makes the same point? Or a journalist asks it of a Tory MP?
People have no memory. One of the skills of an investigator is having a bloody good memory and the ability to see links, spot patterns, make connections. It's what MPs and journalists should be doing too.
What was revealed today is that the union claims of £2 / hr don't appear to be true. The P&O boss stated min it is £5.5-6.0 / hr, which is above international averages for these jobs.
Doesn't make P&O actions morally right, but it isn't instantly true that because Johnny Foreigner Filipinos on £6/hr means it is a safety concern, anymore than the NHS hiring in lots of trained Filipino nurses over the past 15 years.
From BBC:
About 2,700 people were able to leave the besieged and destroyed city of Mariupol today, Ukraine's deputy prime minister says...
Russia has taken control of parts of the city. In one such area it handed out supplies to hundreds of residents who emerged from their places of shelter, according to a Reuters news report from the city.
At the scene was Denis Pushilin, the leader of the Russian-backed separatist enclave of Donetsk, as well as an official from Putin's United Russia party, Andrei Turchak, according to pro-Russian separatist media.
Turchak wrote on his Telegram channel that Russia would rebuild Mariupol but added - "Make no mistake, Russia is here forever".
(All using private emails for some part of it....)
'Private emails reveal Gove’s role in Tory-linked firm’s PPE deals'
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/24/michael-gove-private-emails-ppe-deals-tory-linked-firms
Seems like scummery to me.
I can see why government decisions should be subject to consultation, because the government has no profit incentive to get the answer right in the way that the private sector does, and has powers of compulsion that businesses do not have.
But management should be allowed to manage, with the bottom line the judge of whether or not the decision was correct.
Asked by Nick Watt about partygate, the PM manages to turn the question around to be about why a free press that can ask such questions is so important and how it would never happen in Putin's Russia. Putin he says would never have invaded Ukr if journalists such as Watt could ask him questions all the time about why he thought it would work or was a good idea.
Naturally, Johnson did not answer the original question. But still...
Not that he is without political skill, I think those of us who dislike him can fall into that trap and pretend it is all down to luck or something, but not sure that is a very good example of it.
Labour certainly has major issues at a local level in Blyth Valley constituency which was apparent last year. Labour also got 73% in this ward in 2013.
But the lower figures are likely an underestimate, even if not massively so.
One real danger is too much fragmentation. We have gone from Netflix being THE streaming service, to Amazon, Disney+ / Hulu, Discovery+, HBO, etc etc etc all in a couple of years. I think could be a big mistake. The reason Spotify works is it is basically a one stop shop for all the music you need (the odd artist not being on there really doesn't detract from your experience).
I presume what we will see is bundling, but still if it becomes something stupid per month, people aren't going to dig it for long.
BBC are at a crossroads. If they choose to fight to the death for another 10 years of the current model, they aren't going to die, but totally unenforceable licence fee, young people uninterested, they will just keep falling further and further behind.
It takes an imaginative sod to turn questions about his moral behaviour into a riff about the free press in Russia.
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/post/1219967/thread
And then competence. It seems to be an ungrasped concept.
Blyth and Ashington should be solid Labour.
Iraq was freed from a sadistic maniac who waged war on his near neighbours.
Next question.
Categories can be problematic.
https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1507048000140595208
Logic isn’t really a feature of his discourse.
Competent woman - someone who cleans up the mess made by others.
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