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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    MaxPB said:

    As well as the direct hit on family finances, there's also the effect on public services of something 8% inflation with no corresponding increase in their budgets. Public sector workers are going to be very disgruntled as their pay is frozen or near-frozen, and councils and the NHS are also going to be faced with sharply rising non-wage cuts.

    I don't think there has been an outlook as dire as this since the seventies.

    Indeed.
    Sick man of Europe redux.

    This is effectively why I left.
    I mean, the direct reason was a job offer.
    But the underlying situation looked exceedingly grim.
    The outlook is way, way worse across Europe, there's still signs of life in the UK economy, in some parts of Europe there's nothing. Just surging costs, no wage rises, huge tax rises, promise of state investment that never arrives and rapidly dropping consumer sentiment.

    Even though I love Italy, the idea of living there is a disaster, what's happening here in terms of hollowing out working age incomes to protect oldies is happening all across the continent at an even worse rate. Macron can't even get the bloody pension age up from 62 to 65 without riots in the streets, old age spending in the UK is bad at around 20% of GDP, across the continent that number is hitting 25% already and rising fast leaving almost no room for investment in services or infrastructure.

    I'm starting to think that maybe we should have just let COVID rip, it would have solved the care, healthcare and pensions cost crisis within a year and we would have saved £400bn in furlough and other expenses.
    Well, I moved to the US.

    But I am far less pessimistic about Europe than you seem to be.

    Not Italy, of course, but Italy is in an even worse state than the UK.

    I think, were I a “middle income” earning household (say, £100k?) with two kids…I would be content to move to most of Northern Europe.

    Even the Balts and Czech are looking OK these days.

    I’m trying to balance everything up in my thinking here - quality of life, taxation, public services, and the chance for my kids to live a normal lifestyle.
    You're less pessimistic about Europe because your views are being coloured by Brexit. Forget it for a minute and look at the situation as it actually is, all countries in Europe are faced with the same issues, surging imported inflation, stagnant or falling wages (in some cases, falling pretty fast), surging old age costs and a falling working age population.

    The UK isn't alone in having to face up to all of these issues at the same time. As I've noted plenty of times in the past, the country (well all of Europe really) needs to have a conversation around exactly where we draw the line with free life prolonging healthcare, in the UK there's no real limit, patients can decide not to sign a DNR and doctors are bound by those decisions. That creates unlimited demand on the taxpayer for healthcare provision and we can see that now with healthcare, pensions and social care costs taking up an increasing proportion of GDP in the UK and across Europe.

    It's the conversation no one wants to have, but one that needs to be had, especially in Europe where we have got state funded welfare.

    So, yes, some countries may have some short term wins or losses, but ultimately the direction is all very similar, only France with it's superior birth rate has got a chance IMO. It's a set of policies we should copy immediately.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    The Russians and Chechens have counted to three...
    No PoWs from midnight tonight in Mariupol looks like.

    I expect a rise in summary executions all round tbh.
  • Just seen this tweet from some Chechen organisation. It claims that in its linked video clip the French news channel BFM's journalists are talking enthusiastically about the Chechens' heroism. My thirty year old French GCSE isn't helping me understand the video at all; are the presenters enthusiastically saying anything of the kind?

    Assembly of Chechens of Europe
    @ChechensEurope

    Репортаж на телеканале BFMTV о чеченском батальоне в Украине имени Шейха Мансура, съёмки реальных боев включены в репортаж. Французские журналисты с восторгом говорят о героизме сражающихся чеченцев

    Ссылка на оригинал

    A report on the BFMTV channel about the Chechen battalion in Ukraine named after Sheikh Mansour, filming of real battles is included in the report. French journalists enthusiastically talk about the heroism of the fighting Chechens

    Link to original:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x89awnv

    https://twitter.com/ChechensEurope/status/1506695035974295560
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    I don't wish to belittle Rishi Sunak but he has all the worse traits of Gordon Brown and David Miliband.

    I find him v confusing.
    He looks smart. He talks smart. He acts quite stupid (and heartlessly).

    I never thought much of David Miliband.

    Gordon, despite his flaws, is several leagues ahead of both.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    Pulpstar said:

    The Russians and Chechens have counted to three...
    No PoWs from midnight tonight in Mariupol looks like.

    I expect a rise in summary executions all round tbh.

    I didn't realise there are Chechens also fighting for Ukraine.
  • Well.



    It's 6pm - the biggest cut to all fuel duty rates ever has just come into effect. #SpringStatement2022

    https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1506692275216265219
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991

    Well.



    It's 6pm - the biggest cut to all fuel duty rates ever has just come into effect. #SpringStatement2022

    https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1506692275216265219

    No hoodie.....disappointing.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited March 2022

    Well.



    It's 6pm - the biggest cut to all fuel duty rates ever has just come into effect. #SpringStatement2022

    https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1506692275216265219

    Sincerely doubt Rishi knows one end of a fuel pump from another. I imagine a fluffer had to position it in his hand.

    Ted Heath with an Instagram account, indeed.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625

    As well as the direct hit on family finances, there's also the effect on public services of something 8% inflation with no corresponding increase in their budgets. Public sector workers are going to be very disgruntled as their pay is frozen or near-frozen, and councils and the NHS are also going to be faced with sharply rising non-wage cuts.

    I don't think there has been an outlook as dire as this since the seventies.

    Indeed.
    Sick man of Europe redux.

    This is effectively why I left.
    I mean, the direct reason was a job offer.
    But the underlying situation looked exceedingly grim.
    Which major European economies do you think are best placed to withstand a prolonged conflict with Russia?
    I doubt any European economy is well placed to withstand a “prolonged conflict with Russia”.

    What a daft question.
    You asserted that Britain is the sick man of Europe, so presumably you think that we will be worst affected by the economic war that is opening up? Or haven't you given it any thought?
    I just think your premise is a little odd.
    By economic war do you mean sanctions and rising energy costs?

    I think much of Europe has been caught napping - save France, perhaps - on energy costs.

    This includes the UK of course.

    I still think that Western Europe (apart from Italy!) is likely to outperform the UK over the next several years.
    I think it's likely to get worse than just rising costs. Either Putin will turn off the taps to try to force some countries to drop sanctions, or political pressure will lead to a form of embargo.
  • Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    I once posted from Middlesbrough, the actual end of the world.
  • Madeleine Albright has died.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625

    Just seen this tweet from some Chechen organisation. It claims that in its linked video clip the French news channel BFM's journalists are talking enthusiastically about the Chechens' heroism. My thirty year old French GCSE isn't helping me understand the video at all; are the presenters enthusiastically saying anything of the kind?

    Assembly of Chechens of Europe
    @ChechensEurope

    Репортаж на телеканале BFMTV о чеченском батальоне в Украине имени Шейха Мансура, съёмки реальных боев включены в репортаж. Французские журналисты с восторгом говорят о героизме сражающихся чеченцев

    Ссылка на оригинал

    A report on the BFMTV channel about the Chechen battalion in Ukraine named after Sheikh Mansour, filming of real battles is included in the report. French journalists enthusiastically talk about the heroism of the fighting Chechens

    Link to original:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x89awnv

    https://twitter.com/ChechensEurope/status/1506695035974295560

    Yes, they're talking about how Chechens are fighting on both sides and lauding their martial spirit.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    As well as the direct hit on family finances, there's also the effect on public services of something 8% inflation with no corresponding increase in their budgets. Public sector workers are going to be very disgruntled as their pay is frozen or near-frozen, and councils and the NHS are also going to be faced with sharply rising non-wage cuts.

    I don't think there has been an outlook as dire as this since the seventies.

    Indeed.
    Sick man of Europe redux.

    This is effectively why I left.
    I mean, the direct reason was a job offer.
    But the underlying situation looked exceedingly grim.
    The outlook is way, way worse across Europe, there's still signs of life in the UK economy, in some parts of Europe there's nothing. Just surging costs, no wage rises, huge tax rises, promise of state investment that never arrives and rapidly dropping consumer sentiment.

    Even though I love Italy, the idea of living there is a disaster, what's happening here in terms of hollowing out working age incomes to protect oldies is happening all across the continent at an even worse rate. Macron can't even get the bloody pension age up from 62 to 65 without riots in the streets, old age spending in the UK is bad at around 20% of GDP, across the continent that number is hitting 25% already and rising fast leaving almost no room for investment in services or infrastructure.

    I'm starting to think that maybe we should have just let COVID rip, it would have solved the care, healthcare and pensions cost crisis within a year and we would have saved £400bn in furlough and other expenses.
    Well, I moved to the US.

    But I am far less pessimistic about Europe than you seem to be.

    Not Italy, of course, but Italy is in an even worse state than the UK.

    I think, were I a “middle income” earning household (say, £100k?) with two kids…I would be content to move to most of Northern Europe.

    Even the Balts and Czech are looking OK these days.

    I’m trying to balance everything up in my thinking here - quality of life, taxation, public services, and the chance for my kids to live a normal lifestyle.
    You're less pessimistic about Europe because your views are being coloured by Brexit. Forget it for a minute and look at the situation as it actually is, all countries in Europe are faced with the same issues, surging imported inflation, stagnant or falling wages (in some cases, falling pretty fast), surging old age costs and a falling working age population.

    The UK isn't alone in having to face up to all of these issues at the same time. As I've noted plenty of times in the past, the country (well all of Europe really) needs to have a conversation around exactly where we draw the line with free life prolonging healthcare, in the UK there's no real limit, patients can decide not to sign a DNR and doctors are bound by those decisions. That creates unlimited demand on the taxpayer for healthcare provision and we can see that now with healthcare, pensions and social care costs taking up an increasing proportion of GDP in the UK and across Europe.

    It's the conversation no one wants to have, but one that needs to be had, especially in Europe where we have got state funded welfare.

    So, yes, some countries may have some short term wins or losses, but ultimately the direction is all very similar, only France with it's superior birth rate has got a chance IMO. It's a set of policies we should copy immediately.
    I agree that demography is destiny, but my preferred response is pro-natal policies (like France) and migration, rather than questioning longevity.

    (Except in my grimmest moments).
  • Like Rishi fills up his own car.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    Some people might be interested in this podcast from January which was a discussion with a US Army colonel who helped to train Ukraine's military.

    https://mwi.usma.edu/mwi-podcast-how-capable-is-ukraines-military/
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    As well as the direct hit on family finances, there's also the effect on public services of something 8% inflation with no corresponding increase in their budgets. Public sector workers are going to be very disgruntled as their pay is frozen or near-frozen, and councils and the NHS are also going to be faced with sharply rising non-wage cuts.

    I don't think there has been an outlook as dire as this since the seventies.

    Indeed.
    Sick man of Europe redux.

    This is effectively why I left.
    I mean, the direct reason was a job offer.
    But the underlying situation looked exceedingly grim.
    The outlook is way, way worse across Europe, there's still signs of life in the UK economy, in some parts of Europe there's nothing. Just surging costs, no wage rises, huge tax rises, promise of state investment that never arrives and rapidly dropping consumer sentiment.

    Even though I love Italy, the idea of living there is a disaster, what's happening here in terms of hollowing out working age incomes to protect oldies is happening all across the continent at an even worse rate. Macron can't even get the bloody pension age up from 62 to 65 without riots in the streets, old age spending in the UK is bad at around 20% of GDP, across the continent that number is hitting 25% already and rising fast leaving almost no room for investment in services or infrastructure.

    I'm starting to think that maybe we should have just let COVID rip, it would have solved the care, healthcare and pensions cost crisis within a year and we would have saved £400bn in furlough and other expenses.
    Well, I moved to the US.

    But I am far less pessimistic about Europe than you seem to be.

    Not Italy, of course, but Italy is in an even worse state than the UK.

    I think, were I a “middle income” earning household (say, £100k?) with two kids…I would be content to move to most of Northern Europe.

    Even the Balts and Czech are looking OK these days.

    I’m trying to balance everything up in my thinking here - quality of life, taxation, public services, and the chance for my kids to live a normal lifestyle.
    You're less pessimistic about Europe because your views are being coloured by Brexit. Forget it for a minute and look at the situation as it actually is, all countries in Europe are faced with the same issues, surging imported inflation, stagnant or falling wages (in some cases, falling pretty fast), surging old age costs and a falling working age population.

    The UK isn't alone in having to face up to all of these issues at the same time. As I've noted plenty of times in the past, the country (well all of Europe really) needs to have a conversation around exactly where we draw the line with free life prolonging healthcare, in the UK there's no real limit, patients can decide not to sign a DNR and doctors are bound by those decisions. That creates unlimited demand on the taxpayer for healthcare provision and we can see that now with healthcare, pensions and social care costs taking up an increasing proportion of GDP in the UK and across Europe.

    It's the conversation no one wants to have, but one that needs to be had, especially in Europe where we have got state funded welfare.

    So, yes, some countries may have some short term wins or losses, but ultimately the direction is all very similar, only France with it's superior birth rate has got a chance IMO. It's a set of policies we should copy immediately.
    Wot, shagging French women?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,956

    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    You're less than 10 miles from the glittering fleshpots of Wick!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    I once posted from Middlesbrough, the actual end of the world.
    Nah, I once posted from the Neumayer Channel in the Antarctic Peninsula, for the win
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited March 2022

    Just seen this tweet from some Chechen organisation. It claims that in its linked video clip the French news channel BFM's journalists are talking enthusiastically about the Chechens' heroism. My thirty year old French GCSE isn't helping me understand the video at all; are the presenters enthusiastically saying anything of the kind?

    Assembly of Chechens of Europe
    @ChechensEurope

    Репортаж на телеканале BFMTV о чеченском батальоне в Украине имени Шейха Мансура, съёмки реальных боев включены в репортаж. Французские журналисты с восторгом говорят о героизме сражающихся чеченцев

    Ссылка на оригинал

    A report on the BFMTV channel about the Chechen battalion in Ukraine named after Sheikh Mansour, filming of real battles is included in the report. French journalists enthusiastically talk about the heroism of the fighting Chechens

    Link to original:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x89awnv

    https://twitter.com/ChechensEurope/status/1506695035974295560

    They are saying that the Chechens are very strong, effective, battle-hardened fighters, and that some of them are very loyal to Putin. They also say that there are Chechens who hate Russia and are equally good fighters, and are fighting on the Ukrainian side.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,577

    In this case, unusually, the reality is politically more important than the perception. Unfortunately for the government, and for Rishi's political ambitions, the economic reality is that for most people, things are going to be getting increasingly difficult, or even worse than that, over the next few months, and they're not going to get any better for a long time. Not all of that is the government's fault, but the narrative that the Chancellor has protected 'hard-working families' is going to look very silly very soon.

    Your final comment is post of the week material.

    I think he has blown it big time.

    In a Sunak vs Starmer election I couldn't vote for either.

    Fortunately for you, but not the rest of us, it will be Boris v Starmer.
    And I'd vote for Starmer. At the moment. Despite a *load* of questions about Labour's prospectus. And a fear of the far left infiltrating it like a cancer after he wins.

    Interestingly, our constituency is becoming increasingly marginal. Though with the LD, not Labour.
    Get over that fear. It's based on nothing. Corbyn and the Trots have been scythed from the party machine. They ain't coming back.
    Have they? I bet people were saying the same when Blair was in power. Abbott's still an MP. So is McDonnell.
  • As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664
    edited March 2022

    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    Nothing much to see there...

    Duncansby Head and the stacks are worth a look though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    Like Rishi fills up his own car.

    Like, you reckon his wife does then?
  • Just seen this tweet from some Chechen organisation. It claims that in its linked video clip the French news channel BFM's journalists are talking enthusiastically about the Chechens' heroism. My thirty year old French GCSE isn't helping me understand the video at all; are the presenters enthusiastically saying anything of the kind?

    Assembly of Chechens of Europe
    @ChechensEurope

    Репортаж на телеканале BFMTV о чеченском батальоне в Украине имени Шейха Мансура, съёмки реальных боев включены в репортаж. Французские журналисты с восторгом говорят о героизме сражающихся чеченцев

    Ссылка на оригинал

    A report on the BFMTV channel about the Chechen battalion in Ukraine named after Sheikh Mansour, filming of real battles is included in the report. French journalists enthusiastically talk about the heroism of the fighting Chechens

    Link to original:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x89awnv

    https://twitter.com/ChechensEurope/status/1506695035974295560

    Yes, they're talking about how Chechens are fighting on both sides and lauding their martial spirit.
    Why the actual hell is a French news channel bigging up Chechen fighters?

    Are they warming up for the Syrians to come?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    Madeleine Albright has died.

    She was my ex-gf's tutor.
    Very much liked by her.
  • As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it

    That's going to barely cover the increase in gas bills for two months, big whoop.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    I have not been following politics the last few days.

    I am sitting on a terrace at the end of another superb day.19 degrees - sunshine and a cloudless sky. Exploring Cockermouth which has the most fascinating hardware shop and museum (honestly). It has been on its existing premises since 1820 and the original lease was signed by John Wordsworth, William's Dad,

    And now in the gloaming as it gets cooler, the sky starts to turn faintly pink and the birds sing their hearts out (is there anything lovelier than birdsong - nature's music) I stare at Bassenthwaite, utterly content and calm.

    Could all days be like this .....
  • As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it

    That's going to barely cover the increase in gas bills for two months, big whoop.
    Is the figure correct though ?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523

    Barnesian said:

    I've just been informed that my energy bill (gas and electricity) is going to increase from £74 a month to £242. That's more than I expected.

    Mine is £800 to £1600
    Mine is £0 as utilities are included in my rent, which is more common than you might think and must be leading to awkwardness in every case. I preemptively suggested increasing the rent last month, and probably should do it again, but not sure by how much. I'm on friendly terms with my landlady, so she doesn't like to put the rent up and I need to insist.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited March 2022

    In this case, unusually, the reality is politically more important than the perception. Unfortunately for the government, and for Rishi's political ambitions, the economic reality is that for most people, things are going to be getting increasingly difficult, or even worse than that, over the next few months, and they're not going to get any better for a long time. Not all of that is the government's fault, but the narrative that the Chancellor has protected 'hard-working families' is going to look very silly very soon.

    Your final comment is post of the week material.

    I think he has blown it big time.

    In a Sunak vs Starmer election I couldn't vote for either.

    Fortunately for you, but not the rest of us, it will be Boris v Starmer.
    And I'd vote for Starmer. At the moment. Despite a *load* of questions about Labour's prospectus. And a fear of the far left infiltrating it like a cancer after he wins.

    Interestingly, our constituency is becoming increasingly marginal. Though with the LD, not Labour.
    Get over that fear. It's based on nothing. Corbyn and the Trots have been scythed from the party machine. They ain't coming back.
    Have they? I bet people were saying the same when Blair was in power. Abbott's still an MP. So is McDonnell.
    Diane Abbott is not exactly a Trotskyist. Nor, in fact, is McDonnell. Chris Williamson, no longer in Labour, on the other hand..
  • Cyclefree said:

    I have not been following politics the last few days.

    I am sitting on a terrace at the end of another superb day.19 degrees - sunshine and a cloudless sky. Exploring Cockermouth which has the most fascinating hardware shop and museum (honestly). It has been on its existing premises since 1820 and the original lease was signed by John Wordsworth, William's Dad,

    And now in the gloaming as it gets cooler, the sky starts to turn faintly pink and the birds sing their hearts out (is there anything lovelier than birdsong - nature's music) I stare at Bassenthwaite, utterly content and calm.

    Could all days be like this .....

    Given the layout on my tablet I giggled at what you have been exploring.

    I'm such a child.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    Leon said:

    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    I once posted from Middlesbrough, the actual end of the world.
    Nah, I once posted from the Neumayer Channel in the Antarctic Peninsula, for the win
    Honourable mention for Somalia?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it

    That's going to barely cover the increase in gas bills for two months, big whoop.
    Is the figure correct though ?
    I don’t know specifically.

    That’s not the point. The point is that inflation is savagely expected to take that £660 and much much more.
  • As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it

    That's going to barely cover the increase in gas bills for two months, big whoop.
    Is the figure correct though ?
    I don't know, you're the one spreading it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    As well as the direct hit on family finances, there's also the effect on public services of something 8% inflation with no corresponding increase in their budgets. Public sector workers are going to be very disgruntled as their pay is frozen or near-frozen, and councils and the NHS are also going to be faced with sharply rising non-wage cuts.

    I don't think there has been an outlook as dire as this since the seventies.

    Indeed.
    Sick man of Europe redux.

    This is effectively why I left.
    I mean, the direct reason was a job offer.
    But the underlying situation looked exceedingly grim.
    The outlook is way, way worse across Europe, there's still signs of life in the UK economy, in some parts of Europe there's nothing. Just surging costs, no wage rises, huge tax rises, promise of state investment that never arrives and rapidly dropping consumer sentiment.

    Even though I love Italy, the idea of living there is a disaster, what's happening here in terms of hollowing out working age incomes to protect oldies is happening all across the continent at an even worse rate. Macron can't even get the bloody pension age up from 62 to 65 without riots in the streets, old age spending in the UK is bad at around 20% of GDP, across the continent that number is hitting 25% already and rising fast leaving almost no room for investment in services or infrastructure.

    I'm starting to think that maybe we should have just let COVID rip, it would have solved the care, healthcare and pensions cost crisis within a year and we would have saved £400bn in furlough and other expenses.
    Well, I moved to the US.

    But I am far less pessimistic about Europe than you seem to be.

    Not Italy, of course, but Italy is in an even worse state than the UK.

    I think, were I a “middle income” earning household (say, £100k?) with two kids…I would be content to move to most of Northern Europe.

    Even the Balts and Czech are looking OK these days.

    I’m trying to balance everything up in my thinking here - quality of life, taxation, public services, and the chance for my kids to live a normal lifestyle.
    You're less pessimistic about Europe because your views are being coloured by Brexit. Forget it for a minute and look at the situation as it actually is, all countries in Europe are faced with the same issues, surging imported inflation, stagnant or falling wages (in some cases, falling pretty fast), surging old age costs and a falling working age population.

    The UK isn't alone in having to face up to all of these issues at the same time. As I've noted plenty of times in the past, the country (well all of Europe really) needs to have a conversation around exactly where we draw the line with free life prolonging healthcare, in the UK there's no real limit, patients can decide not to sign a DNR and doctors are bound by those decisions. That creates unlimited demand on the taxpayer for healthcare provision and we can see that now with healthcare, pensions and social care costs taking up an increasing proportion of GDP in the UK and across Europe.

    It's the conversation no one wants to have, but one that needs to be had, especially in Europe where we have got state funded welfare.

    So, yes, some countries may have some short term wins or losses, but ultimately the direction is all very similar, only France with it's superior birth rate has got a chance IMO. It's a set of policies we should copy immediately.
    I agree that demography is destiny, but my preferred response is pro-natal policies (like France) and migration, rather than questioning longevity.

    (Except in my grimmest moments).
    Immigration is a short term solution, the policy should be to get the middle classes to pop out more sprogs and make it easier to do so through the tax system and cheaper housing and childcare costs. My sister has had two kids in April and because of how the idiotic rules work, neither of her kids qualify immediately for the free 30h per week of childcare and will need to wait until September before they do so. It's put her off having a third kid because now they have got an extra 4 months of childcare to pay for, for two kids.

    The UK is simply one of the most anti-family countries going, IMO and over the long term this will really bite. The next generation of kids is far, far more only child oriented than mine was. In our struggle to be "fair" to single parent families the nation forgot that the vast majority of families are two parent ones and supporting them should be the main priority even if it means single parent families are relatively worse off.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,577

    Just seen this tweet from some Chechen organisation. It claims that in its linked video clip the French news channel BFM's journalists are talking enthusiastically about the Chechens' heroism. My thirty year old French GCSE isn't helping me understand the video at all; are the presenters enthusiastically saying anything of the kind?

    Assembly of Chechens of Europe
    @ChechensEurope

    Репортаж на телеканале BFMTV о чеченском батальоне в Украине имени Шейха Мансура, съёмки реальных боев включены в репортаж. Французские журналисты с восторгом говорят о героизме сражающихся чеченцев

    Ссылка на оригинал

    A report on the BFMTV channel about the Chechen battalion in Ukraine named after Sheikh Mansour, filming of real battles is included in the report. French journalists enthusiastically talk about the heroism of the fighting Chechens

    Link to original:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x89awnv

    https://twitter.com/ChechensEurope/status/1506695035974295560

    They are saying that the Chechens are very strong, effective, battle-hardened fighters, and that some of them are very loyal to Putin. They also say that there are Chechens who hate Russia and are equally good fighters, and are fighting on the Ukrainian side.
    I never knew this until this war started, but there are apparently loads of chechens who left Chechnya at the end of the second Chechen war. They hate the current Chechen leader and Russia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev_Battalion

    Other nationalities who hate Russia also take part...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523
    On topic, I wonder if the political advantage of people finding NI somewhat obscure (making it easier to raise NI than tax) is working against Sunak here - people register "He's doing something complicated with NI thresholds" and feel little the wiser and vaguely suspicious.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    edited March 2022
    OBR - £33bn extra raised from not increasing student loan thresholds. Old Tory wankers thank you for your money, @CorrectHorseBattery.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    I once posted from Middlesbrough, the actual end of the world.
    I thought Anfield was the real end of the world.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Just seen this tweet from some Chechen organisation. It claims that in its linked video clip the French news channel BFM's journalists are talking enthusiastically about the Chechens' heroism. My thirty year old French GCSE isn't helping me understand the video at all; are the presenters enthusiastically saying anything of the kind?

    Assembly of Chechens of Europe
    @ChechensEurope

    Репортаж на телеканале BFMTV о чеченском батальоне в Украине имени Шейха Мансура, съёмки реальных боев включены в репортаж. Французские журналисты с восторгом говорят о героизме сражающихся чеченцев

    Ссылка на оригинал

    A report on the BFMTV channel about the Chechen battalion in Ukraine named after Sheikh Mansour, filming of real battles is included in the report. French journalists enthusiastically talk about the heroism of the fighting Chechens

    Link to original:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x89awnv

    https://twitter.com/ChechensEurope/status/1506695035974295560

    They are saying that the Chechens are very strong, effective, battle-hardened fighters, and that some of them are very loyal to Putin. They also say that there are Chechens who hate Russia and are equally good fighters, and are fighting on the Ukrainian side.
    That was going to be my summary, but you beat me to the punch, Richard. :disappointed:
    The first clips are of the pro-Russian Chechens fighting in Mariupol, the latter ones are of the Chechens fighting with the Ukrainians to the north west of Kyiv.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    MaxPB said:

    OBR - £33bn extra raised from not increasing student loan thresholds. Old Tory wankers thank you for your money, @CorrectHorseBattery.

    Shocking. And contemptible decisions made by people who got their degrees fully paid for by the state.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Leon said:

    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    I once posted from Middlesbrough, the actual end of the world.
    Nah, I once posted from the Neumayer Channel in the Antarctic Peninsula, for the win
    Honourable mention for Somalia?
    No-one spent time in the Space Station?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,577

    In this case, unusually, the reality is politically more important than the perception. Unfortunately for the government, and for Rishi's political ambitions, the economic reality is that for most people, things are going to be getting increasingly difficult, or even worse than that, over the next few months, and they're not going to get any better for a long time. Not all of that is the government's fault, but the narrative that the Chancellor has protected 'hard-working families' is going to look very silly very soon.

    Your final comment is post of the week material.

    I think he has blown it big time.

    In a Sunak vs Starmer election I couldn't vote for either.

    Fortunately for you, but not the rest of us, it will be Boris v Starmer.
    And I'd vote for Starmer. At the moment. Despite a *load* of questions about Labour's prospectus. And a fear of the far left infiltrating it like a cancer after he wins.

    Interestingly, our constituency is becoming increasingly marginal. Though with the LD, not Labour.
    Get over that fear. It's based on nothing. Corbyn and the Trots have been scythed from the party machine. They ain't coming back.
    Have they? I bet people were saying the same when Blair was in power. Abbott's still an MP. So is McDonnell.
    Diane Abbott is not exactly a Trotskyist. Nor, in fact, is McDonnell. Chris Williamson, no longer in Labour, on the other hand..
    They both very vocally supported Corbyn and his shitiness. And look at the lovely people who signed the Stop the War nonsense:
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/24/labour-mps-drop-backing-for-statement-criticising-nato-after-starmer-warning

    Labour still has a big problem.
  • Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    I once posted from Middlesbrough, the actual end of the world.
    I thought Anfield was the real end of the world.
    For other clubs yes when they visit the greatest cathedral of football.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    You're less than 10 miles from the glittering fleshpots of Wick!
    She's called Morag.

    Morag the Hag, locally.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,543
    The NIC threshold increase does not help many with multiple employment contracts. As the threshold is based on each employment (and a separate threshold for self employment income) unless you are earning more than ~£9.5k per annum (or the equivalent in a pay period as NIC is not annualised unlike PAYE) in any particular employment you do not benefit.

    So those individuals with multiple zero hours employment contracts are unlikely to benefit.

    But some individuals with two jobs will benefit twice.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    As well as the direct hit on family finances, there's also the effect on public services of something 8% inflation with no corresponding increase in their budgets. Public sector workers are going to be very disgruntled as their pay is frozen or near-frozen, and councils and the NHS are also going to be faced with sharply rising non-wage cuts.

    I don't think there has been an outlook as dire as this since the seventies.

    Indeed.
    Sick man of Europe redux.

    This is effectively why I left.
    I mean, the direct reason was a job offer.
    But the underlying situation looked exceedingly grim.
    The outlook is way, way worse across Europe, there's still signs of life in the UK economy, in some parts of Europe there's nothing. Just surging costs, no wage rises, huge tax rises, promise of state investment that never arrives and rapidly dropping consumer sentiment.

    Even though I love Italy, the idea of living there is a disaster, what's happening here in terms of hollowing out working age incomes to protect oldies is happening all across the continent at an even worse rate. Macron can't even get the bloody pension age up from 62 to 65 without riots in the streets, old age spending in the UK is bad at around 20% of GDP, across the continent that number is hitting 25% already and rising fast leaving almost no room for investment in services or infrastructure.

    I'm starting to think that maybe we should have just let COVID rip, it would have solved the care, healthcare and pensions cost crisis within a year and we would have saved £400bn in furlough and other expenses.
    Well, I moved to the US.

    But I am far less pessimistic about Europe than you seem to be.

    Not Italy, of course, but Italy is in an even worse state than the UK.

    I think, were I a “middle income” earning household (say, £100k?) with two kids…I would be content to move to most of Northern Europe.

    Even the Balts and Czech are looking OK these days.

    I’m trying to balance everything up in my thinking here - quality of life, taxation, public services, and the chance for my kids to live a normal lifestyle.
    You're less pessimistic about Europe because your views are being coloured by Brexit. Forget it for a minute and look at the situation as it actually is, all countries in Europe are faced with the same issues, surging imported inflation, stagnant or falling wages (in some cases, falling pretty fast), surging old age costs and a falling working age population.

    The UK isn't alone in having to face up to all of these issues at the same time. As I've noted plenty of times in the past, the country (well all of Europe really) needs to have a conversation around exactly where we draw the line with free life prolonging healthcare, in the UK there's no real limit, patients can decide not to sign a DNR and doctors are bound by those decisions. That creates unlimited demand on the taxpayer for healthcare provision and we can see that now with healthcare, pensions and social care costs taking up an increasing proportion of GDP in the UK and across Europe.

    It's the conversation no one wants to have, but one that needs to be had, especially in Europe where we have got state funded welfare.

    So, yes, some countries may have some short term wins or losses, but ultimately the direction is all very similar, only France with it's superior birth rate has got a chance IMO. It's a set of policies we should copy immediately.
    I agree that demography is destiny, but my preferred response is pro-natal policies (like France) and migration, rather than questioning longevity.

    (Except in my grimmest moments).
    Immigration is a short term solution, the policy should be to get the middle classes to pop out more sprogs and make it easier to do so through the tax system and cheaper housing and childcare costs. My sister has had two kids in April and because of how the idiotic rules work, neither of her kids qualify immediately for the free 30h per week of childcare and will need to wait until September before they do so. It's put her off having a third kid because now they have got an extra 4 months of childcare to pay for, for two kids.

    The UK is simply one of the most anti-family countries going, IMO and over the long term this will really bite. The next generation of kids is far, far more only child oriented than mine was. In our struggle to be "fair" to single parent families the nation forgot that the vast majority of families are two parent ones and supporting them should be the main priority even if it means single parent families are relatively worse off.
    Can't your sister organise herself to have procreative sex in November or December so the third child pops out just in time to qualify for free childcare? Or alternatively take maternity leave?
    I've never really bought this argument that kids are expensive. They don't take up much room, don't eat that much and they save you loads by completely destroying your social life. Net net they're cheap as chips.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664

    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    I once posted from Middlesbrough, the actual end of the world.
    I thought Anfield was the real end of the world.
    Surely the question at the moment shouldn't be where the end of the world is but when...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421

    I don't wish to belittle Rishi Sunak but he has all the worse traits of Gordon Brown and David Miliband.

    A glass eye and an inability to eat a bacon sandwich?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,033
    edited March 2022

    As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it

    That's going to barely cover the increase in gas bills for two months, big whoop.
    Is the figure correct though ?
    I don’t know specifically.

    That’s not the point. The point is that inflation is savagely expected to take that £660 and much much more.
    I am aware of the serious problem with inflation and it would be wonderful to inflation proof everyone but that is not possible in these extreme circumstances

    As far as Rishi is concerned he speaks well but I am concerned he has not addressed those on lower income properly

    I expect he is hoping the 6.6% increase in the NLW which will be in pay packets in another few weeks may assuage some of the problems

    However, I was underwhelmed and would be surprised if he gets much of a bounce from it
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Well.



    It's 6pm - the biggest cut to all fuel duty rates ever has just come into effect. #SpringStatement2022

    https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1506692275216265219

    Nice of him to fill up the nanny's car for her
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    Rishi is quite possibly the worst chancellor we've had since Brown. All of the fiscal drag he's pushed today will impoverish millions of people all for a few giveaways to old people. This is the free bus passes, free licences and idiotic triple lock all rolled into one and then multiplied by 10.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    As well as the direct hit on family finances, there's also the effect on public services of something 8% inflation with no corresponding increase in their budgets. Public sector workers are going to be very disgruntled as their pay is frozen or near-frozen, and councils and the NHS are also going to be faced with sharply rising non-wage cuts.

    I don't think there has been an outlook as dire as this since the seventies.

    Indeed.
    Sick man of Europe redux.

    This is effectively why I left.
    I mean, the direct reason was a job offer.
    But the underlying situation looked exceedingly grim.
    The outlook is way, way worse across Europe, there's still signs of life in the UK economy, in some parts of Europe there's nothing. Just surging costs, no wage rises, huge tax rises, promise of state investment that never arrives and rapidly dropping consumer sentiment.

    Even though I love Italy, the idea of living there is a disaster, what's happening here in terms of hollowing out working age incomes to protect oldies is happening all across the continent at an even worse rate. Macron can't even get the bloody pension age up from 62 to 65 without riots in the streets, old age spending in the UK is bad at around 20% of GDP, across the continent that number is hitting 25% already and rising fast leaving almost no room for investment in services or infrastructure.

    I'm starting to think that maybe we should have just let COVID rip, it would have solved the care, healthcare and pensions cost crisis within a year and we would have saved £400bn in furlough and other expenses.
    Well, I moved to the US.

    But I am far less pessimistic about Europe than you seem to be.

    Not Italy, of course, but Italy is in an even worse state than the UK.

    I think, were I a “middle income” earning household (say, £100k?) with two kids…I would be content to move to most of Northern Europe.

    Even the Balts and Czech are looking OK these days.

    I’m trying to balance everything up in my thinking here - quality of life, taxation, public services, and the chance for my kids to live a normal lifestyle.
    You're less pessimistic about Europe because your views are being coloured by Brexit. Forget it for a minute and look at the situation as it actually is, all countries in Europe are faced with the same issues, surging imported inflation, stagnant or falling wages (in some cases, falling pretty fast), surging old age costs and a falling working age population.

    The UK isn't alone in having to face up to all of these issues at the same time. As I've noted plenty of times in the past, the country (well all of Europe really) needs to have a conversation around exactly where we draw the line with free life prolonging healthcare, in the UK there's no real limit, patients can decide not to sign a DNR and doctors are bound by those decisions. That creates unlimited demand on the taxpayer for healthcare provision and we can see that now with healthcare, pensions and social care costs taking up an increasing proportion of GDP in the UK and across Europe.

    It's the conversation no one wants to have, but one that needs to be had, especially in Europe where we have got state funded welfare.

    So, yes, some countries may have some short term wins or losses, but ultimately the direction is all very similar, only France with it's superior birth rate has got a chance IMO. It's a set of policies we should copy immediately.
    I agree that demography is destiny, but my preferred response is pro-natal policies (like France) and migration, rather than questioning longevity.

    (Except in my grimmest moments).
    Immigration is a short term solution, the policy should be to get the middle classes to pop out more sprogs and make it easier to do so through the tax system and cheaper housing and childcare costs. My sister has had two kids in April and because of how the idiotic rules work, neither of her kids qualify immediately for the free 30h per week of childcare and will need to wait until September before they do so. It's put her off having a third kid because now they have got an extra 4 months of childcare to pay for, for two kids.

    The UK is simply one of the most anti-family countries going, IMO and over the long term this will really bite. The next generation of kids is far, far more only child oriented than mine was. In our struggle to be "fair" to single parent families the nation forgot that the vast majority of families are two parent ones and supporting them should be the main priority even if it means single parent families are relatively worse off.
    Yes its been impossible to criticise single mothers since about the mid 90s. Problem is as a man its easier to spread your seed if you have no assets or if you are a millionaire.....its those in between who have to act responsibly
    Eugh, the poor are breeding.
  • I don't wish to belittle Rishi Sunak but he has all the worse traits of Gordon Brown and David Miliband.

    A glass eye and an inability to eat a bacon sandwich?
    It was Ed, not David, who couldn't eat a bacon sarnie.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    I don't wish to belittle Rishi Sunak but he has all the worse traits of Gordon Brown and David Miliband.

    A glass eye and an inability to eat a bacon sandwich?
    It was EdM who had problems with the bacon sandwich
  • As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it

    That's going to barely cover the increase in gas bills for two months, big whoop.
    Is the figure correct though ?
    I don't know, you're the one spreading it.
    That is just not fair

    I am seeking an answer to a genuine question
  • In a little over an hour it will be exactly two years since Boris Johnson introduced lockdown.
  • x

    In this case, unusually, the reality is politically more important than the perception. Unfortunately for the government, and for Rishi's political ambitions, the economic reality is that for most people, things are going to be getting increasingly difficult, or even worse than that, over the next few months, and they're not going to get any better for a long time. Not all of that is the government's fault, but the narrative that the Chancellor has protected 'hard-working families' is going to look very silly very soon.

    Your final comment is post of the week material.

    I think he has blown it big time.

    In a Sunak vs Starmer election I couldn't vote for either.

    Fortunately for you, but not the rest of us, it will be Boris v Starmer.
    And I'd vote for Starmer. At the moment. Despite a *load* of questions about Labour's prospectus. And a fear of the far left infiltrating it like a cancer after he wins.

    Interestingly, our constituency is becoming increasingly marginal. Though with the LD, not Labour.
    Get over that fear. It's based on nothing. Corbyn and the Trots have been scythed from the party machine. They ain't coming back.
    Have they? I bet people were saying the same when Blair was in power. Abbott's still an MP. So is McDonnell.
    Diane Abbott is not exactly a Trotskyist. Nor, in fact, is McDonnell. Chris Williamson, no longer in Labour, on the other hand..
    They both very vocally supported Corbyn and his shitiness. And look at the lovely people who signed the Stop the War nonsense:
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/24/labour-mps-drop-backing-for-statement-criticising-nato-after-starmer-warning

    Labour still has a big problem.
    Stop going on about Corbyn. He hasn't been leader of the Labour Party for over 700 days. You're clearly obsessed.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it

    That's going to barely cover the increase in gas bills for two months, big whoop.
    Is the figure correct though ?
    I don’t know specifically.

    That’s not the point. The point is that inflation is savagely expected to take that £660 and much much more.
    I am aware of the serious problem with inflation and it would be wonderful to inflation proof everyone but that is not possible in these extreme circumstances

    As far as Rishi is concerned he speaks well but I am concerned he has not addressed those on lower income properly

    I expect he is hoping the 6.6% increase in the NLW which will be in pay packets in another few weeks may assuage some of the problems

    However, I was underwhelmed and would be surprised if he gets much of a bounce from it
    Actually, Big G you’re wrong.

    Resolution think tank published some recommendations to push the pain onto the very highest deciles.

    Instead the very poorest are to suffer disproportionately.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    dixiedean said:

    Madeleine Albright has died.

    She was my ex-gf's tutor.
    Very much liked by her.
    I used to be in meetings with her regularly when she was UN ambassador. Only ever saw an earnest and serious side to her. But our meetings only happened when something bad was going on in Iraq, so I am sure she had a softer side. I know her staff generally liked her, which is always a good reference.

    Anyways, RIP.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991

    In a little over an hour it will be exactly two years since Boris Johnson introduced lockdown.

    Probably not true for others, but feels like 2 seconds ago to me.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    As well as the direct hit on family finances, there's also the effect on public services of something 8% inflation with no corresponding increase in their budgets. Public sector workers are going to be very disgruntled as their pay is frozen or near-frozen, and councils and the NHS are also going to be faced with sharply rising non-wage cuts.

    I don't think there has been an outlook as dire as this since the seventies.

    Indeed.
    Sick man of Europe redux.

    This is effectively why I left.
    I mean, the direct reason was a job offer.
    But the underlying situation looked exceedingly grim.
    The outlook is way, way worse across Europe, there's still signs of life in the UK economy, in some parts of Europe there's nothing. Just surging costs, no wage rises, huge tax rises, promise of state investment that never arrives and rapidly dropping consumer sentiment.

    Even though I love Italy, the idea of living there is a disaster, what's happening here in terms of hollowing out working age incomes to protect oldies is happening all across the continent at an even worse rate. Macron can't even get the bloody pension age up from 62 to 65 without riots in the streets, old age spending in the UK is bad at around 20% of GDP, across the continent that number is hitting 25% already and rising fast leaving almost no room for investment in services or infrastructure.

    I'm starting to think that maybe we should have just let COVID rip, it would have solved the care, healthcare and pensions cost crisis within a year and we would have saved £400bn in furlough and other expenses.
    Well, I moved to the US.

    But I am far less pessimistic about Europe than you seem to be.

    Not Italy, of course, but Italy is in an even worse state than the UK.

    I think, were I a “middle income” earning household (say, £100k?) with two kids…I would be content to move to most of Northern Europe.

    Even the Balts and Czech are looking OK these days.

    I’m trying to balance everything up in my thinking here - quality of life, taxation, public services, and the chance for my kids to live a normal lifestyle.
    You're less pessimistic about Europe because your views are being coloured by Brexit. Forget it for a minute and look at the situation as it actually is, all countries in Europe are faced with the same issues, surging imported inflation, stagnant or falling wages (in some cases, falling pretty fast), surging old age costs and a falling working age population.

    The UK isn't alone in having to face up to all of these issues at the same time. As I've noted plenty of times in the past, the country (well all of Europe really) needs to have a conversation around exactly where we draw the line with free life prolonging healthcare, in the UK there's no real limit, patients can decide not to sign a DNR and doctors are bound by those decisions. That creates unlimited demand on the taxpayer for healthcare provision and we can see that now with healthcare, pensions and social care costs taking up an increasing proportion of GDP in the UK and across Europe.

    It's the conversation no one wants to have, but one that needs to be had, especially in Europe where we have got state funded welfare.

    So, yes, some countries may have some short term wins or losses, but ultimately the direction is all very similar, only France with it's superior birth rate has got a chance IMO. It's a set of policies we should copy immediately.
    I agree that demography is destiny, but my preferred response is pro-natal policies (like France) and migration, rather than questioning longevity.

    (Except in my grimmest moments).
    Immigration is a short term solution, the policy should be to get the middle classes to pop out more sprogs and make it easier to do so through the tax system and cheaper housing and childcare costs. My sister has had two kids in April and because of how the idiotic rules work, neither of her kids qualify immediately for the free 30h per week of childcare and will need to wait until September before they do so. It's put her off having a third kid because now they have got an extra 4 months of childcare to pay for, for two kids.

    The UK is simply one of the most anti-family countries going, IMO and over the long term this will really bite. The next generation of kids is far, far more only child oriented than mine was. In our struggle to be "fair" to single parent families the nation forgot that the vast majority of families are two parent ones and supporting them should be the main priority even if it means single parent families are relatively worse off.
    Yes its been impossible to criticise single mothers since about the mid 90s. Problem is as a man its easier to spread your seed if you have no assets or if you are a millionaire.....its those in between who have to act responsibly
    Eugh, the poor are breeding.
    It may not be being expressed well but the problem is real. Those on middle incomes have an environment that is relatively less family friendly than either the poor or the rich. That is definitely something we need to address.
  • As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it

    That's going to barely cover the increase in gas bills for two months, big whoop.
    Is the figure correct though ?
    I don’t know specifically.

    That’s not the point. The point is that inflation is savagely expected to take that £660 and much much more.
    I am aware of the serious problem with inflation and it would be wonderful to inflation proof everyone but that is not possible in these extreme circumstances

    As far as Rishi is concerned he speaks well but I am concerned he has not addressed those on lower income properly

    I expect he is hoping the 6.6% increase in the NLW which will be in pay packets in another few weeks may assuage some of the problems

    However, I was underwhelmed and would be surprised if he gets much of a bounce from it
    Actually, Big G you’re wrong.

    Resolution think tank published some recommendations to push the pain onto the very highest deciles.

    Instead the very poorest are to suffer disproportionately.
    That was my point about not addressing the lower paid properly
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,956

    In a little over an hour it will be exactly two years since Boris Johnson introduced lockdown.

    Aka start of the party season.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421

    I don't wish to belittle Rishi Sunak but he has all the worse traits of Gordon Brown and David Miliband.

    A glass eye and an inability to eat a bacon sandwich?
    It was Ed, not David, who couldn't eat a bacon sarnie.
    Oh, right you are.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    I prefer Dunnet Head.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    Thanks to everyone who explained Fiscal Drag on other thread (Nigel).

    So Fiscal Drag happens when incomes go up, maybe because inflation is higher for a while and employers pay higher wage deals, “drags” taxpayers upwards into the higher tax rate bands - so government tax take goes up without raising taxes, it sneaks under radar, as I now understand, and it doesn’t sound that dramatic to this situation, I don’t even think that relevant right now.

    Boris has been banging on in his speeches, the priority of his government is a high wage economy, that sort of puts us into a Fiscal Drag Race? Punning aside, any real evidence this is happening, or even certain to happen, or certain to bring any useful amounts of money in? I don’t think so. It’s a bit of red herring in todays discussion.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421

    I don't wish to belittle Rishi Sunak but he has all the worse traits of Gordon Brown and David Miliband.

    A glass eye and an inability to eat a bacon sandwich?
    It was EdM who had problems with the bacon sandwich
    Yes, daft of me. I can't think of an unusual Dave Miliband characteristic to substitute.
  • I don't wish to belittle Rishi Sunak but he has all the worse traits of Gordon Brown and David Miliband.

    A glass eye and an inability to eat a bacon sandwich?
    It was Ed, not David, who couldn't eat a bacon sarnie.
    Oh, right you are.
    Dave had his own food thing

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355

    On topic, I wonder if the political advantage of people finding NI somewhat obscure (making it easier to raise NI than tax) is working against Sunak here - people register "He's doing something complicated with NI thresholds" and feel little the wiser and vaguely suspicious.

    It's simpler than that - the rates are easier to understand than the thresholds. People know NI rates are going up. That's the simple bit to digest.

    Sunak is hoping to get credit for the fuel duty cut, but it represents a tiny fraction of the recent increase in prices, so no chance there, and clearly two years advance notice of an income tax cut isn't that exciting. It takes the Brownite strategy of announcing good things multiple times to conceptual art levels.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Just seen this tweet from some Chechen organisation. It claims that in its linked video clip the French news channel BFM's journalists are talking enthusiastically about the Chechens' heroism. My thirty year old French GCSE isn't helping me understand the video at all; are the presenters enthusiastically saying anything of the kind?

    Assembly of Chechens of Europe
    @ChechensEurope

    Репортаж на телеканале BFMTV о чеченском батальоне в Украине имени Шейха Мансура, съёмки реальных боев включены в репортаж. Французские журналисты с восторгом говорят о героизме сражающихся чеченцев

    Ссылка на оригинал

    A report on the BFMTV channel about the Chechen battalion in Ukraine named after Sheikh Mansour, filming of real battles is included in the report. French journalists enthusiastically talk about the heroism of the fighting Chechens

    Link to original:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x89awnv

    https://twitter.com/ChechensEurope/status/1506695035974295560

    Yes, they're talking about how Chechens are fighting on both sides and lauding their martial spirit.
    To be clear, the Sheikh Mansour group is the one fighting with the Ukrainians near Kyiv, not the pro-Russian ones in Mariupol.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,956

    I don't wish to belittle Rishi Sunak but he has all the worse traits of Gordon Brown and David Miliband.

    A glass eye and an inability to eat a bacon sandwich?
    It was EdM who had problems with the bacon sandwich
    Yes, daft of me. I can't think of an unusual Dave Miliband characteristic to substitute.
    This is the standard example


  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Like Rishi fills up his own car.

    So are you suggesting that he’s at a petrol station filling other people’s cars? One way to reduce their fuel costs! 😀
  • TimT said:

    Just seen this tweet from some Chechen organisation. It claims that in its linked video clip the French news channel BFM's journalists are talking enthusiastically about the Chechens' heroism. My thirty year old French GCSE isn't helping me understand the video at all; are the presenters enthusiastically saying anything of the kind?

    Assembly of Chechens of Europe
    @ChechensEurope

    Репортаж на телеканале BFMTV о чеченском батальоне в Украине имени Шейха Мансура, съёмки реальных боев включены в репортаж. Французские журналисты с восторгом говорят о героизме сражающихся чеченцев

    Ссылка на оригинал

    A report on the BFMTV channel about the Chechen battalion in Ukraine named after Sheikh Mansour, filming of real battles is included in the report. French journalists enthusiastically talk about the heroism of the fighting Chechens

    Link to original:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x89awnv

    https://twitter.com/ChechensEurope/status/1506695035974295560

    Yes, they're talking about how Chechens are fighting on both sides and lauding their martial spirit.
    To be clear, the Sheikh Mansour group is the one fighting with the Ukrainians near Kyiv, not the pro-Russian ones in Mariupol.
    Ah! Ok, that's easier to understand then.
  • In a little over an hour it will be exactly two years since Boris Johnson introduced lockdown.

    Probably not true for others, but feels like 2 seconds ago to me.
    Same, I remember being a bit scared for the family, worried about what would happen to the schools, and so many other issues.

    Don't think I'll ever forget those few weeks.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it

    That's going to barely cover the increase in gas bills for two months, big whoop.
    Is the figure correct though ?
    I don’t know specifically.

    That’s not the point. The point is that inflation is savagely expected to take that £660 and much much more.
    I am aware of the serious problem with inflation and it would be wonderful to inflation proof everyone but that is not possible in these extreme circumstances

    As far as Rishi is concerned he speaks well but I am concerned he has not addressed those on lower income properly

    I expect he is hoping the 6.6% increase in the NLW which will be in pay packets in another few weeks may assuage some of the problems

    However, I was underwhelmed and would be surprised if he gets much of a bounce from it
    Actually, Big G you’re wrong.

    Resolution think tank published some recommendations to push the pain onto the very highest deciles.

    Instead the very poorest are to suffer disproportionately.
    What I would have done today, in MoonRabbit budget, is taxed those who won’t suffer credit crunch much an awful lot more, but not given all of that back to poor households to spend. I would have done this as a macro measure against the fall/winter 2023/24 recession being further stoked this year. A belt tightening budget has to be necessary sometimes, but has to be done pragmatically and fairly. I don’t see Sunak’s today as a necessary belt tightening statement in either policy or communication.

    My problem with giving people money to spend is lack of control over their choice of spending. If my concern as MoonRabbit government is 10m in fuel poverty, households budgets struggling to stay out of poverty, one of the richest countries in world with mounting numbers of children in poverty, I would have spent the money on behalf of the people (like through Rashford style charities and schemes) rather than give it to them to spend on what they wanted. It’s not my instinct to always do this, but in this particular “energy poverty precipice” it’s what I would have done.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it

    That's going to barely cover the increase in gas bills for two months, big whoop.
    Is the figure correct though ?
    I don't know, you're the one spreading it.
    That is just not fair

    I am seeking an answer to a genuine question
    Sounds right, it says here an individual making 15k is 330 better off

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/23/spring-statement-2022-national-insurance-fuel-duty-income-tax
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813

    Barnesian said:

    I've just been informed that my energy bill (gas and electricity) is going to increase from £74 a month to £242. That's more than I expected.

    Mine is £800 to £1600
    Mine is £0 as utilities are included in my rent, which is more common than you might think and must be leading to awkwardness in every case. I preemptively suggested increasing the rent last month, and probably should do it again, but not sure by how much. I'm on friendly terms with my landlady, so she doesn't like to put the rent up and I need to insist.
    Just think how much her property has gone up in value in the year and then dont be so nice !
  • I remember week beginning the 16th of March 2020 getting a report saying that lockdown/Covid 19 could shrink the UK economy by 18%.

    But would be more likely 10% and thinking, ooh 10% aint bad, then thinking WTF.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    As I understand it todays announcement will give a couple earning upto £27000 pa an increase of income of £330 pa each, ie £660

    Unless have misread it

    That's going to barely cover the increase in gas bills for two months, big whoop.
    Is the figure correct though ?
    I don't know, you're the one spreading it.
    That is just not fair

    I am seeking an answer to a genuine question
    Sounds right, it says here an individual making 15k is 330 better off

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/23/spring-statement-2022-national-insurance-fuel-duty-income-tax
    Thank you
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,830
    edited March 2022

    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    You think? See how long it takes you to get past Orkney to Sumburgh on Shetland, then keep going and going and going to the bird reserve on the north end of Unst ...

    Have a nice time. Wick is nice. Pulteneytown and the steps down to the harbour are rather good, and the fishing museum worth a glance and a smell if you like that sort of thing (it is in an old smokehouse IIRC). And the local malt whisky is very good.

    If you want a circular walk, try from Wick Harbour north widdershins (Anglice, counterclockwise) along the coast and back southwest to Ackergill then cut inland to the river and walk down to Wick. Some nice birds depending on time of year.

    PS But further afield there are other coastal walks - I believe the one just E of THurso is good. Dunnet/Duncansby. Was a long time ago so memory blurs.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    In a little over an hour it will be exactly two years since Boris Johnson introduced lockdown.

    Aka start of the party season.
    🥳

    . .
  • FFS.

    As the great @MartinSLewis flagged, workers who are taken out of National Insurance by the rising threshold will often be on Universal Credit. But they have a 'taper rate' which means they may pocket only £148 of the £330 gain from the tax change (Mirror estimate)

    https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1506708767441924104

    Why does Rishi hate the poor, he's happy to protect and funnel money to pensioners.

    A fie upon Rishi.
  • Good news for Labour


  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908

    In a little over an hour it will be exactly two years since Boris Johnson introduced lockdown.

    Probably not true for others, but feels like 2 seconds ago to me.
    Time flies when you're having fun....
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813

    FFS.

    As the great @MartinSLewis flagged, workers who are taken out of National Insurance by the rising threshold will often be on Universal Credit. But they have a 'taper rate' which means they may pocket only £148 of the £330 gain from the tax change (Mirror estimate)

    https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1506708767441924104

    Why does Rishi hate the poor, he's happy to protect and funnel money to pensioners.

    A fie upon Rishi.

    tbf it is ludicrous that this section of working poor get taxed on earnings which are then given back to them as benefits . If this helps correct the situation that is sensible.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    edited March 2022

    I don't wish to belittle Rishi Sunak but he has all the worse traits of Gordon Brown and David Miliband.

    A glass eye and an inability to eat a bacon sandwich?
    It was EdM who had problems with the bacon sandwich
    Arguably he didn’t have any problems with bacon bun, it was his lack of problem so enjoying the bacon bun that caused the problem.

    And the invention of the internet.
  • Heads up, on a subject we discussed on PB extensively recently.

    Sunday, 27. March • 22:00 - 23:30 on Channel 4.

    Falklands War: The Untold Story

    Documentary

    Documentary examining the Falklands conflict 40 years on. The head of the SAS in the Falklands, Sir Michael Rose, speaks publicly for the first time about the war, and how the British task force came close to defeat. Plus, ground troops and senior commanders, many for the first time, reveal how an unexpected change in the plan for the land campaign nearly cost Britain the war, and led to unnecessary loss of life at the iconic Battle of Goose Green, and in the sinking of the Sir Galahad.


    https://www.teleboy.ch/en/tv-guide/channel4/21893196/falklands-war-the-untold-story
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421
    Carnyx said:

    Posting on PB from John O’Groats. The end of the world. :)

    You think? See how long it takes you to get past Orkney to Sumburgh on Shetland, then keep going and going and going to the bird reserve on the north end of Unst ...

    Have a nice time. Wick is nice. Pulteneytown and the steps down to the harbour are rather good, and the fishing museum worth a glance and a smell if you like that sort of thing (it is in an old smokehouse IIRC). And the local malt whisky is very good.

    If you want a circular walk, try from Wick Harbour north widdershins (Anglice, counterclockwise) along the coast and back southwest to Ackergill then cut inland to the river and walk down to Wick. Some nice birds depending on time of year.

    PS But further afield there are other coastal walks - I believe the one just E of THurso is good. Dunnet/Duncansby. Was a long time ago so memory blurs.
    I love Old Pulteney.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    FFS.

    As the great @MartinSLewis flagged, workers who are taken out of National Insurance by the rising threshold will often be on Universal Credit. But they have a 'taper rate' which means they may pocket only £148 of the £330 gain from the tax change (Mirror estimate)

    https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1506708767441924104

    Why does Rishi hate the poor, he's happy to protect and funnel money to pensioners.

    A fie upon Rishi.

    Benefits and the state pension are both rising by 3.1%
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    No encirclement of Russian forces NW of Kyiv after all...

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1506660525106778120
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    FFS.

    As the great @MartinSLewis flagged, workers who are taken out of National Insurance by the rising threshold will often be on Universal Credit. But they have a 'taper rate' which means they may pocket only £148 of the £330 gain from the tax change (Mirror estimate)

    https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1506708767441924104

    Why does Rishi hate the poor, he's happy to protect and funnel money to pensioners.

    A fie upon Rishi.

    Why should a super-rich Tory like Rishi care about the poor?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Well.



    It's 6pm - the biggest cut to all fuel duty rates ever has just come into effect. #SpringStatement2022

    https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1506692275216265219

    What is that expression? He's enjoying pumping that petrol too much.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    IshmaelZ said:

    Well.



    It's 6pm - the biggest cut to all fuel duty rates ever has just come into effect. #SpringStatement2022

    https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1506692275216265219

    Nice of him to fill up the nanny's car for her
    Did he book that pump for 6 before he announced it?

    image
  • HYUFD said:

    FFS.

    As the great @MartinSLewis flagged, workers who are taken out of National Insurance by the rising threshold will often be on Universal Credit. But they have a 'taper rate' which means they may pocket only £148 of the £330 gain from the tax change (Mirror estimate)

    https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1506708767441924104

    Why does Rishi hate the poor, he's happy to protect and funnel money to pensioners.

    A fie upon Rishi.

    Benefits and the state pension are both rising by 3.1%
    Irrelevant given the way universal credit works and the fact pensioners don't pay NI.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited March 2022

    I don't wish to belittle Rishi Sunak but he has all the worse traits of Gordon Brown and David Miliband.

    A glass eye and an inability to eat a bacon sandwich?
    It was EdM who had problems with the bacon sandwich
    Arguably he didn’t have any problems with bacon bun, it was his lack of problem so enjoying the bacon bun that caused the problem.

    And the invention of the internet.
    The funniest bit of that incident was that it wasn't some photographer sneaking an unfair picture and catching EdM off-guard, it was actually a photo-opportunity which Labour had set up and invited the press to.

    And nothing to do with the internet.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    kle4 said:

    Well.



    It's 6pm - the biggest cut to all fuel duty rates ever has just come into effect. #SpringStatement2022

    https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1506692275216265219

    What is that expression? He's enjoying pumping that petrol too much.
    Other supermarkets are available
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited March 2022
    Madeleine Albright, first female US Secretary of State, dies aged 84

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60855139
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    FFS.

    As the great @MartinSLewis flagged, workers who are taken out of National Insurance by the rising threshold will often be on Universal Credit. But they have a 'taper rate' which means they may pocket only £148 of the £330 gain from the tax change (Mirror estimate)

    https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1506708767441924104

    Why does Rishi hate the poor, he's happy to protect and funnel money to pensioners.

    A fie upon Rishi.

    Why should a super-rich Tory like Rishi care about the poor?
    Someone needs to shine his shoes.
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