Just like I said with Boris, you can only defy gravity for so long.
Petrol prices in particular are about killer for governments, let alone with wider very high inflation that isn't going away and government only have very limited power to really do much about it.
People don't notice sneaky fiscal drag on their tax thresholds, but they absolutely don't miss petrol going up massively or their food shop being far more expensive.
Just like I said with Boris, you can only defy gravity for so long.
Petrol prices in particular are about killer for governments, let alone with wider very high inflation that isn't going away and government only have very limited power to really do much about it.
People don't notice sneaky fiscal drag on their tax thresholds, but they absolutely don't miss petrol going up massively or their food shop being far more expensive.
But they will notice the cut in petrol tax today.
They won’t notice how the money treasure lost will be made up in sneaky ways, but they will notice “petrol tax slashed” on front of tomorrows papers, that’s how it works.
Also why should it be killer for a government when every voter knows it’s not fault of their government, it’s all Putins fault.
But for the most part, the public aren't blaming the Government for the rises in fuel and power. These are whipped up by world events. There is nothing that Labour would do differently, so the sting is drawn.
All those backbench Tory MPs must be absolute morons if they think having Boris rather than Dishy Rishi as leader at next GE is a good idea.
If Sunak's actual policies are good or not is a different matter, but he actually sounds like a component intelligent individual who is on top of their brief, which is a significant upgrade.
5p off fuel duty is bonkers. When prices go back up the benefit gets wiped out.
But its still 5p less than it would have been (and he gets in back in the VAT anyway).
No I mean its bonkers politically. So 5p goes off a litre of unleaded - down to 160p. When it goes back up to 165p and beyond the political benefit evaporates. If instead of £2 a litre as forecast it only hits £1.95 will anyone say "thanks Rishi?"
5p off fuel duty is bonkers. When prices go back up the benefit gets wiped out.
But its still 5p less than it would have been (and he gets in back in the VAT anyway).
I've long advocated fixed taxes on petrol - rather than the x * 100% that exaggerates prices changes. The Treasury might not get windfalls, but it would get stable income instead. Though declining.....
Torsten Bell @TorstenBell · 24s Household Support Fund being doubled to £1bn is the main measure focused on lower income households (discretionary fund handed out by councils). That is a total disaster if it really is it for support for low and middle income households (ie no extra benefits uprating)
Anecdata. I have Remainery lefty london friends who loathe Boris and the Tories yet who are surprisingly open to Sunak
He would likely not thrive in the Red Wall but he might fight off the Lib Dems and left further south
Rishi can work in the Red Wall as the man delivering them their build back better cash.
He would need to produce actual cash as opposed to the same cash being repeatedly promised to multiple towns without ever appearing as now, but if he did...
"We should be prepared for the economy and the public finances to worsen, potentially significantly," Sunak says, highlighting rising cost of borrowing - the public debt this year.
"We should be prepared for the economy and the public finances to worsen, potentially significantly," Sunak says, highlighting rising cost of borrowing - the public debt this year.
That’s a bit of a surprise. Doesn’t sit at all with a giveaway budget and the stuff in media about unexpected windfalls.
Torsten Bell @TorstenBell · 24s Household Support Fund being doubled to £1bn is the main measure focused on lower income households (discretionary fund handed out by councils). That is a total disaster if it really is it for support for low and middle income households (ie no extra benefits uprating)
Yep. The most vulnerable won't hear about it. Let alone tackle the 48 page form.
Anecdata. I have Remainery lefty london friends who loathe Boris and the Tories yet who are surprisingly open to Sunak
He would likely not thrive in the Red Wall but he might fight off the Lib Dems and left further south
Rishi can work in the Red Wall as the man delivering them their build back better cash.
He would need to produce actual cash as opposed to the same cash being repeatedly promised to multiple towns without ever appearing as now, but if he did...
Probably is - that thanks to Covid and now this war there isn't any money...
Has anyone got any good ideas as to where to hide money, from the ravening Grendel of inflation?
Gold, wine, crypto, cheap property in Moldova?
NFTs ;-)
Plutonium
Well that is certainly less risky than NFTs....
It's the hardest currency. The US dollar is not backed with gold, it's backed by a number of tons of plutonium. You have 6Kg, and *everyone* listens to your shit.
We need to stop relying on foreign fossil fuels. So let's make it cheaper.
We need to stop relying on foreign fossil fuels. But that will not be immediate. In the meantime, we need to try to keep the economy going. So we will make fossil fuels cheaper for a while, to help people, whilst also going full-on a green campaign. After all, we've already done a lot in the last twelve years, and we're accelerating the transition.
National insurance rise is REMAINING, Rishi Sunak says. Despite big Tory MP pressure.
Bye bye Rishi
He’s cleverly found another way to give the money back
And direct it to the lower paid. Osborne's policy of piling the pressure on the broadest shoulders continues (after some rather pointless diversions under May).
Not quite. Nearly two thirds of the cost of that in the first year will be funded by the fiscal drag of leaving the £12,000 tax threshold where it is. The following year fiscal drag more than pays for it.
No the point. It was always due to speak worse than that post covid reboot - the actual point is it was supposed to drop quickly after spike, now one one, not even Rishy, knows if it lasts longer +3.4 for a long while causing problems.
5p off fuel duty is bonkers. When prices go back up the benefit gets wiped out.
But its still 5p less than it would have been (and he gets in back in the VAT anyway).
The VAT thing is mostly an old red herring. If you don't spend money on higher petrol prices you probably spend it on something else, and that probably has VAT too.
Contrary to what Sunak said, there is already a VAT exemption on solar panels and heat pumps already happens in the EU, so this is not a benefit of Brexit.
Anything for anyone under 30 trying to get on the housing ladder?
Nope, no surprises there then.
Helping people buy houses simply helps them get more expensive
Indeed. The things that will help people under 30 buy houses are higher interest rates, which will happen, and the end of the kind of gimmicks that Chancellors love to make, that actually increase asset prices for the already wealthy.
If inflation is 7% and stays above 5% for a year or two, the fiscal drag here is a MASSIVE tax increase.
It's the point I made first thing this morning (when I noted Mike's bet on a Tory lead this month was not entirely daft). Inflation gives a chancellor a huge amount of room to push through flashy measures, even if the net effect is fiscally neutral.
Much depends of what inflation does over the next few years.
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Petrol prices in particular are about killer for governments, let alone with wider very high inflation that isn't going away and government only have very limited power to really do much about it.
People don't notice sneaky fiscal drag on their tax thresholds, but they absolutely don't miss petrol going up massively or their food shop being far more expensive.
They won’t notice how the money treasure lost will be made up in sneaky ways, but they will notice “petrol tax slashed” on front of tomorrows papers, that’s how it works.
Also why should it be killer for a government when every voter knows it’s not fault of their government, it’s all Putins fault.
Those who think he has lost the chance to be PM have got it wrong.
Inflation AVERAGING 7.4% this year.
If Sunak's actual policies are good or not is a different matter, but he actually sounds like a component intelligent individual who is on top of their brief, which is a significant upgrade.
He would likely not thrive in the Red Wall but he might fight off the Lib Dems and left further south
Fuel probably gonna go up by 5p in the next week or so, anyway.
Nobody is gonna be grateful.
Gold, wine, crypto, cheap property in Moldova?
So let's make it cheaper.
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Household Support Fund being doubled to £1bn is the main measure focused on lower income households (discretionary fund handed out by councils). That is a total disaster if it really is it for support for low and middle income households (ie no extra benefits uprating)
He would need to produce actual cash as opposed to the same cash being repeatedly promised to multiple towns without ever appearing as now, but if he did...
But it is striking nonetheless.
Let alone tackle the 48 page form.
That is big
Bye bye Rishi
But that will not be immediate. In the meantime, we need to try to keep the economy going.
So we will make fossil fuels cheaper for a while, to help people, whilst also going full-on a green campaign.
After all, we've already done a lot in the last twelve years, and we're accelerating the transition.
Nope, no surprises there then.
That's 1/2 of the £12b gone for NHS.
And “it’s all Putin’s fault” is political genius to say.
Will be a tax cut worth £330 when it does come in
Not QUITE cancelled the NI hike... but nearly...
There is always a but with Rishi's announcements. Every. Time.
I expect co-ordinated world government action against it within 2 years.
So benefit will dissipate somewhat over time and breakeven salary will gradually drop.
Nearly two thirds of the cost of that in the first year will be funded by the fiscal drag of leaving the £12,000 tax threshold where it is.
The following year fiscal drag more than pays for it.
How high do we expect interest rates to go?
High interest rates and inflation usually are destroyers of governments and chancellors?
A four year tax threshold freeze more than pays for it.
https://www.room151.co.uk/treasury/bank-of-england-battles-inflation-with-latest-interest-rate-rise/
However NIMBYism and cynical politics stopped it.
Thank labour, the Lib Dems and boomers not wanting people to buy a new house by them.
What’s the point of that?
Inflation gives a chancellor a huge amount of room to push through flashy measures, even if the net effect is fiscally neutral.
Much depends of what inflation does over the next few years.