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Polling boost for Sunak ahead of his Spring Statement – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,161
edited March 2022 in General
Polling boost for Sunak ahead of his Spring Statement – politicalbetting.com

Ahead of today's #SpringStatement 44% of the public tell @IpsosUK they are satisfied with the job Rishi Sunak is doing as Chancellor.

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited March 2022
    Just like I said with Boris, you can only defy gravity for so long.

    Petrol prices in particular are about killer for governments, let alone with wider very high inflation that isn't going away and government only have very limited power to really do much about it.

    People don't notice sneaky fiscal drag on their tax thresholds, but they absolutely don't miss petrol going up massively or their food shop being far more expensive.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    Just like I said with Boris, you can only defy gravity for so long.

    Petrol prices in particular are about killer for governments, let alone with wider very high inflation that isn't going away and government only have very limited power to really do much about it.

    People don't notice sneaky fiscal drag on their tax thresholds, but they absolutely don't miss petrol going up massively or their food shop being far more expensive.

    But they will notice the cut in petrol tax today.

    They won’t notice how the money treasure lost will be made up in sneaky ways, but they will notice “petrol tax slashed” on front of tomorrows papers, that’s how it works.

    Also why should it be killer for a government when every voter knows it’s not fault of their government, it’s all Putins fault.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    But for the most part, the public aren't blaming the Government for the rises in fuel and power. These are whipped up by world events. There is nothing that Labour would do differently, so the sting is drawn.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited March 2022
    Dishy Rishi appears to have decided to become PM......he is certainly a significant upgrade on current incumbent when it comes to clear delivery.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited March 2022
    It’s all Putins fault, is his framing.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812

    Dishy Rishi appears to have decided to become PM......

    Great clarity about the context of his decisions and the consequences of those decisions.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Confident speaker
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    Dishy Rishi appears to have decided to become PM......he is certainly a significant upgrade on current incumbent when it comes to clear delivery.

    Biding his time, biding his time.

    Those who think he has lost the chance to be PM have got it wrong.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    7.4%? Jeez.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    I see Sunak calling it "a war" at every opportunity. I wonder why.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    5p cut in fuel duty.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Fuck

    Inflation AVERAGING 7.4% this year.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    5p off fuel for 12 months, as widely trailed
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    5p a litre. Well every little helps.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    IanB2 said:

    5p off fuel for 12 months, as widely trailed

    I bet it doesn’t go up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited March 2022
    All those backbench Tory MPs must be absolute morons if they think having Boris rather than Dishy Rishi as leader at next GE is a good idea.

    If Sunak's actual policies are good or not is a different matter, but he actually sounds like a component intelligent individual who is on top of their brief, which is a significant upgrade.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,590
    I'm mildly surprised at Healey's satisfaction rates.
  • 5p off fuel duty is bonkers. When prices go back up the benefit gets wiped out.
  • This is a man on a mission
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Anecdata. I have Remainery lefty london friends who loathe Boris and the Tories yet who are surprisingly open to Sunak

    He would likely not thrive in the Red Wall but he might fight off the Lib Dems and left further south
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Brexit benefit!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812

    5p off fuel duty is bonkers. When prices go back up the benefit gets wiped out.

    But its still 5p less than it would have been (and he gets in back in the VAT anyway).
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Meh.

    Fuel probably gonna go up by 5p in the next week or so, anyway.

    Nobody is gonna be grateful.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    edited March 2022
    ping said:

    Fuck

    Inflation AVERAGING 7.4% this year.

    Yep, he rather skipped over that one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited March 2022
    Come Rishi, what about tackling scumbag travel sites who screw humble Flint Knappers trying to go about their business ;-)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Has anyone got any good ideas as to where to hide money, from the ravening Grendel of inflation?

    Gold, wine, crypto, cheap property in Moldova?
  • £83 billion on debt interest !!!!
  • DavidL said:

    5p off fuel duty is bonkers. When prices go back up the benefit gets wiped out.

    But its still 5p less than it would have been (and he gets in back in the VAT anyway).
    No I mean its bonkers politically. So 5p goes off a litre of unleaded - down to 160p. When it goes back up to 165p and beyond the political benefit evaporates. If instead of £2 a litre as forecast it only hits £1.95 will anyone say "thanks Rishi?"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    Leon said:

    Has anyone got any good ideas as to where to hide money, from the ravening Grendel of inflation?

    Gold, wine, crypto, cheap property in Moldova?

    NFTs ;-)
  • Jesus, inflation almost wipes out the average stock market returns for the last several decades.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    We need to stop relying on foreign fossil fuels.
    So let's make it cheaper.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    DavidL said:

    5p off fuel duty is bonkers. When prices go back up the benefit gets wiped out.

    But its still 5p less than it would have been (and he gets in back in the VAT anyway).
    I've long advocated fixed taxes on petrol - rather than the x * 100% that exaggerates prices changes. The Treasury might not get windfalls, but it would get stable income instead. Though declining.....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Torsten Bell
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    Household Support Fund being doubled to £1bn is the main measure focused on lower income households (discretionary fund handed out by councils). That is a total disaster if it really is it for support for low and middle income households (ie no extra benefits uprating)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    dixiedean said:

    We need to stop relying on foreign fossil fuels.
    So let's make it cheaper.

    I bet Labour don’t make that argument!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812

    £83 billion on debt interest !!!!

    How much of that is "paid" to the BoE though? I am not sure that is a real figure.
  • Leon said:

    Anecdata. I have Remainery lefty london friends who loathe Boris and the Tories yet who are surprisingly open to Sunak

    He would likely not thrive in the Red Wall but he might fight off the Lib Dems and left further south

    Rishi can work in the Red Wall as the man delivering them their build back better cash.

    He would need to produce actual cash as opposed to the same cash being repeatedly promised to multiple towns without ever appearing as now, but if he did...
  • "We should be prepared for the economy and the public finances to worsen, potentially significantly," Sunak says, highlighting rising cost of borrowing - the public debt this year.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    The clown looks gloomy, glowering there next to young Rishi
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    DavidL said:

    £83 billion on debt interest !!!!

    How much of that is "paid" to the BoE though? I am not sure that is a real figure.
    It's because of inflation, but that inflation takes down out debt pile. So don't be misled.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    edited March 2022

    Leon said:

    Has anyone got any good ideas as to where to hide money, from the ravening Grendel of inflation?

    Gold, wine, crypto, cheap property in Moldova?

    NFTs ;-)
    Plutonium. You need to invest in about 6Kg.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    We need to stop relying on foreign fossil fuels.
    So let's make it cheaper.

    I bet Labour don’t make that argument!
    No.
    But it is striking nonetheless.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    "We should be prepared for the economy and the public finances to worsen, potentially significantly," Sunak says, highlighting rising cost of borrowing - the public debt this year.

    That’s a bit of a surprise. Doesn’t sit at all with a giveaway budget and the stuff in media about unexpected windfalls.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991

    Leon said:

    Has anyone got any good ideas as to where to hide money, from the ravening Grendel of inflation?

    Gold, wine, crypto, cheap property in Moldova?

    NFTs ;-)
    Plutonium
    Well that is certainly less risky than NFTs....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    Torsten Bell
    @TorstenBell
    ·
    24s
    Household Support Fund being doubled to £1bn is the main measure focused on lower income households (discretionary fund handed out by councils). That is a total disaster if it really is it for support for low and middle income households (ie no extra benefits uprating)

    Yep. The most vulnerable won't hear about it.
    Let alone tackle the 48 page form.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    Leon said:

    Anecdata. I have Remainery lefty london friends who loathe Boris and the Tories yet who are surprisingly open to Sunak

    He would likely not thrive in the Red Wall but he might fight off the Lib Dems and left further south

    Rishi can work in the Red Wall as the man delivering them their build back better cash.

    He would need to produce actual cash as opposed to the same cash being repeatedly promised to multiple towns without ever appearing as now, but if he did...
    Probably is - that thanks to Covid and now this war there isn't any money...
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,590
    Leon said:

    Has anyone got any good ideas as to where to hide money, from the ravening Grendel of inflation?

    Gold, wine, crypto, cheap property in Moldova?

    Don't touch crypto. It's going to get sticky with regulators as they figure out how to stop it becoming a sanctions-busting tool.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited March 2022
    NIC threshold increased by £3k
  • Ni threshold up £3,000

    That is big
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    First step toward merging NI and IT?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    Leon said:

    Has anyone got any good ideas as to where to hide money, from the ravening Grendel of inflation?

    Gold, wine, crypto, cheap property in Moldova?

    NFTs ;-)
    Plutonium
    Well that is certainly less risky than NFTs....
    It's the hardest currency. The US dollar is not backed with gold, it's backed by a number of tons of plutonium. You have 6Kg, and *everyone* listens to your shit.
  • National insurance rise is REMAINING, Rishi Sunak says. Despite big Tory MP pressure.

    Bye bye Rishi
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    ping said:

    Fuck

    Inflation AVERAGING 7.4% this year.

    I’d be very happy if it hit that. I expect it to be higher.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    dixiedean said:

    We need to stop relying on foreign fossil fuels.
    So let's make it cheaper.

    We need to stop relying on foreign fossil fuels.
    But that will not be immediate. In the meantime, we need to try to keep the economy going.
    So we will make fossil fuels cheaper for a while, to help people, whilst also going full-on a green campaign.
    After all, we've already done a lot in the last twelve years, and we're accelerating the transition.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    £3000 threshold in NICs is much less regressive than a cut in IT. Its welcome but he must do something on benefits.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    NIC threshold == tax threshold
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    Leon said:

    Has anyone got any good ideas as to where to hide money, from the ravening Grendel of inflation?

    Gold, wine, crypto, cheap property in Moldova?

    I think the answer is to hide your money by spending it. High inflation means go out shopping like I have today 😀
  • National insurance rise is REMAINING, Rishi Sunak says. Despite big Tory MP pressure.

    Bye bye Rishi

    The increase in NI threshold is huge
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    First step toward merging NI and IT?

    National insurance rise is REMAINING, Rishi Sunak says. Despite big Tory MP pressure.

    Bye bye Rishi

    He’s cleverly found another way to give the money back
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714

    National insurance rise is REMAINING, Rishi Sunak says. Despite big Tory MP pressure.

    Bye bye Rishi

    Not so fast, he hasn't finished.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773

    NIC threshold == tax threshold

    Wow thats a biggun
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    We need to stop relying on foreign fossil fuels.
    So let's make it cheaper.

    I bet Labour don’t make that argument!
    No.
    But it is striking nonetheless.
    Rachel Reeves pretty much ruled out labour support for further domestic fossil fuel extraction on Sunday
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited March 2022

    NIC threshold == tax threshold

    Next logical step is just to combine it all. We might get there in....2050.....
  • Anything for anyone under 30 trying to get on the housing ladder?

    Nope, no surprises there then.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    New NI threshold will cost £6b says Resolution think tank.

    That's 1/2 of the £12b gone for NHS.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    I see Sunak calling it "a war" at every opportunity. I wonder why.

    Because it is a war. The sanctions we have announced comes with everyone tighten belt to pay for it.

    And “it’s all Putin’s fault” is political genius to say.
  • But this is only from July. So three months of NI hike.

    Will be a tax cut worth £330 when it does come in

    Not QUITE cancelled the NI hike... but nearly...

    There is always a but with Rishi's announcements. Every. Time.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    IanB2 said:

    First step toward merging NI and IT?

    National insurance rise is REMAINING, Rishi Sunak says. Despite big Tory MP pressure.

    Bye bye Rishi

    He’s cleverly found another way to give the money back
    And direct it to the lower paid. Osborne's policy of piling the pressure on the broadest shoulders continues (after some rather pointless diversions under May).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Has anyone got any good ideas as to where to hide money, from the ravening Grendel of inflation?

    Gold, wine, crypto, cheap property in Moldova?

    Don't touch crypto. It's going to get sticky with regulators as they figure out how to stop it becoming a sanctions-busting tool.
    Plus, it needs so much of that gas and oil from Russia just to mine it....

    I expect co-ordinated world government action against it within 2 years.
  • BUT income tax threshold frozen for 4 years. Assume same true for NI threshold to keep them aligned.

    So benefit will dissipate somewhat over time and breakeven salary will gradually drop.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    Anything for anyone under 30 trying to get on the housing ladder?

    Nope, no surprises there then.

    Tell it to the Bank of England. Interest rates are their domain thanks to Gordon.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited March 2022

    Ni threshold up £3,000

    That is big

    Not quite.
    Nearly two thirds of the cost of that in the first year will be funded by the fiscal drag of leaving the £12,000 tax threshold where it is.
    The following year fiscal drag more than pays for it.
  • tlg86 said:

    Anything for anyone under 30 trying to get on the housing ladder?

    Nope, no surprises there then.

    Tell it to the Bank of England. Interest rates are their domain thanks to Gordon.
    BoE are bloody useless.
  • 5p? Is that it?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    National insurance rise is REMAINING, Rishi Sunak says. Despite big Tory MP pressure.

    Bye bye Rishi

    Derrr I think not wait till the end
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    Anything for anyone under 30 trying to get on the housing ladder?

    Nope, no surprises there then.

    Helping people buy houses simply helps them get more expensive
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Everything this government does is BRILLIANT
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    ping said:

    Fuck

    Inflation AVERAGING 7.4% this year.

    No the point. It was always due to speak worse than that post covid reboot - the actual point is it was supposed to drop quickly after spike, now one one, not even Rishy, knows if it lasts longer +3.4 for a long while causing problems.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    If inflation is 7% and stays above 5% for a year or two, the fiscal drag here is a MASSIVE tax increase.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523
    DavidL said:

    5p off fuel duty is bonkers. When prices go back up the benefit gets wiped out.

    But its still 5p less than it would have been (and he gets in back in the VAT anyway).
    The VAT thing is mostly an old red herring. If you don't spend money on higher petrol prices you probably spend it on something else, and that probably has VAT too.
  • IanB2 said:

    Anything for anyone under 30 trying to get on the housing ladder?

    Nope, no surprises there then.

    Helping people buy houses simply helps them get more expensive
    Perhaps the Tories should try building some.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    It’s a remarkably muted house.
  • That inflation figure means interest rates are going up a lot, am I right?

    How high do we expect interest rates to go?

    High interest rates and inflation usually are destroyers of governments and chancellors?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    edited March 2022

    NIC threshold == tax threshold

    Next logical step is just to combine it all. We might get there in....2050.....
    Next step would be to levy NI on pensioners under cover of the triple lock.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited March 2022

    New NI threshold will cost £6b says Resolution think tank.

    That's 1/2 of the £12b gone for NHS.

    No, since it's not hypothecated, and is recouped elsewhere.
    A four year tax threshold freeze more than pays for it.
  • Contrary to what Sunak said, there is already a VAT exemption on solar panels and heat pumps already happens in the EU, so this is not a benefit of Brexit.
  • That inflation figure means interest rates are going up a lot, am I right?

    How high do we expect interest rates to go?

    High interest rates and inflation usually are destroyers of governments and chancellors?

    Gotta reach 2% soon surely
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Nigelb said:

    New NI threshold will cost £6b says Resolution think tank.

    That's 1/2 of the £12b gone for NHS.

    No, since it's recouped elsewhere.
    A four year tax threshold freeze more than pays for it.
    The latter is already budgeted for, though, if not at 7.4% this year.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    Anything for anyone under 30 trying to get on the housing ladder?

    Nope, no surprises there then.

    He’s not finished.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    Ni threshold up £3,000

    That is big

    And the right thing to do.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    But this is only from July. So three months of NI hike.

    Will be a tax cut worth £330 when it does come in

    Not QUITE cancelled the NI hike... but nearly...

    There is always a but with Rishi's announcements. Every. Time.

    1p tax cut still to come
  • 1% drop in income tax in 2024
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited March 2022
    Income tax cut by 1p…. By 2024
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    That inflation figure means interest rates are going up a lot, am I right?

    How high do we expect interest rates to go?

    High interest rates and inflation usually are destroyers of governments and chancellors?

    The market implied rate now peaks at 2%.

    https://www.room151.co.uk/treasury/bank-of-england-battles-inflation-with-latest-interest-rate-rise/
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    IanB2 said:

    Anything for anyone under 30 trying to get on the housing ladder?

    Nope, no surprises there then.

    Helping people buy houses simply helps them get more expensive
    Perhaps the Tories should try building some.
    They wanted to change the planning system to allow more housebuilding where houses were needed.

    However NIMBYism and cynical politics stopped it.

    Thank labour, the Lib Dems and boomers not wanting people to buy a new house by them.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    1% drop in income tax in 2024

    2024 wtf thats not going to cut it
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,818
    IanB2 said:

    Anything for anyone under 30 trying to get on the housing ladder?

    Nope, no surprises there then.

    Helping people buy houses simply helps them get more expensive
    Indeed. The things that will help people under 30 buy houses are higher interest rates, which will happen, and the end of the kind of gimmicks that Chancellors love to make, that actually increase asset prices for the already wealthy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Every taxpayer in England and Wales to get a tiny porcelain donkey? With detachable ears?

    What’s the point of that?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited March 2022

    1% drop in income tax in 2024

    Not sure that is enough to be a GE winner.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited March 2022

    If inflation is 7% and stays above 5% for a year or two, the fiscal drag here is a MASSIVE tax increase.

    It's the point I made first thing this morning (when I noted Mike's bet on a Tory lead this month was not entirely daft).
    Inflation gives a chancellor a huge amount of room to push through flashy measures, even if the net effect is fiscally neutral.

    Much depends of what inflation does over the next few years.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    ping said:

    Income tax cut by 1p…. By 2024

    That’s disappointing.
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