To me everything has changed and how each party faces the huge problems going forward will decide GE24
I do expect problems for labour and the SNP if they object to the development of oil and gas fields within the UK as we becoming self sufficient in the transition to net zero and stop importing energy, not just from Russia but elsewhere when we can provide it ourselves and with high paid UK jobs
Net Zero is one thing - being self-sufficient in energy is another. We can ramp up oil and gas production but that won't make us net zero - investing more in renewables seems the obvious way forward and it wasn't that long ago we had 0% of our energy derived from coal on some days.
The other side of the equation is how much energy we use and whether a few simple measures could reduce our energy consumption but that will depend on the degree to which we are prepared to change (or compromise) our lifestyle to reduce energy consumption. That's going to be the harder sell.
It is a balance but it is a 20 year transition
I would recommend that HMG makes energy efficiency in homes a statutory requirement with a minimum rating of C required on the sale of property, thereby making improving energy efficiency a real positive but also that house sales will need to reflect in negotiations the costs and no doubt the owner reducing the price or the buyer greeing to make the investment
I understand some mortgages are available at at lower interest rates already for energy efficient homes
The cost according to X rebellion is one trillion to insulate all our homes and that is not possible from the government purse
It won't cost anything like a trillion. XR are dickheads.
How much do you think it will cost for every home in the UK
Let's assume there are 20 million homes in the UK. That's probably not too far from the truth.
Now, at the one end you'll have 100 year old homes that have never had any insulation and leak heat like a sieve. On the other, you'll have modern apartment complexes with double or triple glazing, which will require nothing.
Let's also not forget that the 80:20 rule applies here. You can achieve an awful lot pretty easily - you don't need to do *everything*, you can do the most cost effective things (such as roof insulation) pretty easily and cheaply.
So, I'd say you can do an awful lot with just 20 billion.
The easiest thing to do is to make sure that you have the highest standards in new builds, but every time a government proposes doing such a thing, the building industry sucks it collective teeth and mutters darkly about the government's house-building targets, and the standards are watered down, and implementation is delayed.
That’s true. Developers can also water down the environmental standards of new builds by arguing that they’re not ‘viable’.
An interesting stat is that 80% of the housing stock that will exist in 2050 is already built. Improving the thermal efficiency of the old stock is a mammoth task.
It’s estimated that to bring the housing stock in Leeds alone to zero carbon (admittedly a very ambitious target) will be somewhere north of £5bn. Current government funding is targeted at social housing. Where the money will come from to help meet the cost for the private rented and owner occupiers is currently unknown.
It’s a bit of a mess really. I’m all for zero carbon and I hope renewable energy generation comes on leaps and bounds as technology improves. But we might have to rely on fossil for some time yet, as unpalatable as that may be for some. And we have to figure out how to make old housing massively more thermal efficient and decide how we’re going to pay for it.
There's a shopping list of changes that can be implemented to reduce energy usage - from insulation to solar panels to double glazing to LED lighting to more efficient household appliances.
Some of these things are cheap, and have a big effect. Some are expensive, and only have a small one.
Rather than fixating on the 'ohmygodweneedtodoeverythingatonce' number, how about identifying the lowest hanging fruit, and implementing them.
And when we've done that, we'll have reduced energy usage (and imports) meaningfully, and then we can ask 'what next?'
@guyverhofstadt As a former British diplomat, I feel deeply ashamed by our PM. All EU foreign ministries should call in British Ambassadors and ask them to explain Johnson’s remarks, which are grossly offensive to Ukrainians and the EU. https://twitter.com/alexhallhall/status/1505242246689525765
Oh give it a fecking rest. Calling in ambassadors? We haven’t invaded a foreign country ffs. A politician made a comparison which some think was a bit ill judged. Grow the duck up and stop retweeting shit.
Boris was silly in his comment but as ever the whole speech was worth listening to and really did give an insight into how he intends fighting the next GE, if indeed he does
With respect there is a degree of hyperbole here from the usual suspects and for some to suggest he should be sidelined in essential defence and security meetings in the EU is absurd and an absolute gift to Putin
Speaking of gifts to Putin, as anyone yet calculated just how much Putin & Co have given to Conservative Party's coffers. And toward care, feeding, watering and wall-papering of Boris Johnson?
You can almost hear the Tory PR men phoning around ministers trying to find one - other than Nadine - willing to make the case that brave Brits voting for Brexit is on a par with Ukrainians seeing their children being blown to pieces by Putin’s long-range missiles. https://twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1505302676522815496
@guyverhofstadt As a former British diplomat, I feel deeply ashamed by our PM. All EU foreign ministries should call in British Ambassadors and ask them to explain Johnson’s remarks, which are grossly offensive to Ukrainians and the EU. https://twitter.com/alexhallhall/status/1505242246689525765
Oh give it a fecking rest. Calling in ambassadors? We haven’t invaded a foreign country ffs. A politician made a comparison which some think was a bit ill judged. Grow the duck up and stop retweeting shit.
Your country's leader compared the EU to Putin, a man against whose army he is shipping lethal weapons. He is also implicitly saying every other country needs to be liberated from the EU. So, yes, he is a plonker.
Britain had an opportunity to make amends and regain a place of international respect during this crisis, and he and Patel are doing their best to blow it.
To me everything has changed and how each party faces the huge problems going forward will decide GE24
I do expect problems for labour and the SNP if they object to the development of oil and gas fields within the UK as we becoming self sufficient in the transition to net zero and stop importing energy, not just from Russia but elsewhere when we can provide it ourselves and with high paid UK jobs
Net Zero is one thing - being self-sufficient in energy is another. We can ramp up oil and gas production but that won't make us net zero - investing more in renewables seems the obvious way forward and it wasn't that long ago we had 0% of our energy derived from coal on some days.
The other side of the equation is how much energy we use and whether a few simple measures could reduce our energy consumption but that will depend on the degree to which we are prepared to change (or compromise) our lifestyle to reduce energy consumption. That's going to be the harder sell.
It is a balance but it is a 20 year transition
I would recommend that HMG makes energy efficiency in homes a statutory requirement with a minimum rating of C required on the sale of property, thereby making improving energy efficiency a real positive but also that house sales will need to reflect in negotiations the costs and no doubt the owner reducing the price or the buyer greeing to make the investment
I understand some mortgages are available at at lower interest rates already for energy efficient homes
The cost according to X rebellion is one trillion to insulate all our homes and that is not possible from the government purse
It won't cost anything like a trillion. XR are dickheads.
How much do you think it will cost for every home in the UK
Let's assume there are 20 million homes in the UK. That's probably not too far from the truth.
Now, at the one end you'll have 100 year old homes that have never had any insulation and leak heat like a sieve. On the other, you'll have modern apartment complexes with double or triple glazing, which will require nothing.
Let's also not forget that the 80:20 rule applies here. You can achieve an awful lot pretty easily - you don't need to do *everything*, you can do the most cost effective things (such as roof insulation) pretty easily and cheaply.
So, I'd say you can do an awful lot with just 20 billion.
The easiest thing to do is to make sure that you have the highest standards in new builds, but every time a government proposes doing such a thing, the building industry sucks it collective teeth and mutters darkly about the government's house-building targets, and the standards are watered down, and implementation is delayed.
That’s true. Developers can also water down the environmental standards of new builds by arguing that they’re not ‘viable’.
An interesting stat is that 80% of the housing stock that will exist in 2050 is already built. Improving the thermal efficiency of the old stock is a mammoth task.
It’s estimated that to bring the housing stock in Leeds alone to zero carbon (admittedly a very ambitious target) will be somewhere north of £5bn. Current government funding is targeted at social housing. Where the money will come from to help meet the cost for the private rented and owner occupiers is currently unknown.
It’s a bit of a mess really. I’m all for zero carbon and I hope renewable energy generation comes on leaps and bounds as technology improves. But we might have to rely on fossil for some time yet, as unpalatable as that may be for some. And we have to figure out how to make old housing massively more thermal efficient and decide how we’re going to pay for it.
There's a shopping list of changes that can be implemented to reduce energy usage - from insulation to solar panels to double glazing to LED lighting to more efficient household appliances.
Some of these things are cheap, and have a big effect. Some are expensive, and only have a small one.
Rather than fixating on the 'ohmygodweneedtodoeverythingatonce' number, how about identifying the lowest hanging fruit, and implementing them.
And when we've done that, we'll have reduced energy usage (and imports) meaningfully, and then we can ask 'what next?'
I heard a story about a couple who claimed to have turned the heating down by a degree each time it was recommended and are now at 4 degrees, or something like. I generally wonder how much low hanging fruit is left. Surely most have energy efficient light bulbs by now? And have lagged the loft? What is the true status of the targets in U.K. housing stock? I know they’re not all passive houses, but I dont believe that they are all single glazed uninsulated wrecks either.
All it would achieve is momentary satisfaction, at the cost of cooperation at a time when cooperation is needed.
That's what BoZo did
He pissed off everybody to make himself feel better.
Twat.
Everybody?
Probably not everybody. But even a slice of Brexit backers have come out against what he said. Our colleague @HYUFD1 for one, or this from Julia Hartley-Brewer;
Even as a staunch Brexiteer, this is totally cringe from @BorisJohnson. Comparing the vote to leave the EU with the Ukrainian people fighting for their lives against a foreign invader is an insult to their bravery and sacrifice.
Put it this way. Do you think that Ukrainians hearing Boris's remarks will think more or less of him as a result?
But that's the thing about Boris. Nearly everybody likes the idea of Boris, and nearly everybody likes him on first encounter. The dislike always comes later.
\ Somehow doubt Brexit is at forefront of most Ukrainians' thoughts at present. Or ever.
They are literally asking the EU to throw out decades of accession policy to admit them.
They want to anchor their western orientation and escape from Russian domination. They're not pining for the acquis communautaire.
Says you. Then again, Boris does appeal to Britain who think they should tell the rest of the world what they should do.
It's true. Dmitry Gordon, who's one of the main serious Ukrainian political broadcasters, said today that Ukraine's main allies are the US, UK, Poland and the Baltic states, in that order.
@guyverhofstadt As a former British diplomat, I feel deeply ashamed by our PM. All EU foreign ministries should call in British Ambassadors and ask them to explain Johnson’s remarks, which are grossly offensive to Ukrainians and the EU. https://twitter.com/alexhallhall/status/1505242246689525765
Oh give it a fecking rest. Calling in ambassadors? We haven’t invaded a foreign country ffs. A politician made a comparison which some think was a bit ill judged. Grow the duck up and stop retweeting shit.
Your country's leader compared the EU to Putin, a man against whose army he is shipping lethal weapons. He is also implicitly saying every other country needs to be liberated from the EU. So, yes, he is a plonker.
All it would achieve is momentary satisfaction, at the cost of cooperation at a time when cooperation is needed.
That's what BoZo did
He pissed off everybody to make himself feel better.
Twat.
Yes, and even HYUFD thinks he shouldn't have said it.
The situation is not improved by others acting the same. We learn as children two wrongs don't make a right.
To be controversial:
Mount Snowdon and Everest are both mountains. No one would deny that Everest is bigger and more significant than Snowdon.
Brexit and Ukraine’s defence against Russian invasion are both examples of sovereign states choosing a path: both examples of freedom. No one would deny that Ukraine is far more significant a defence of freedom than Brexit
The interesting thing about the objections to the comments is that they've been "insulting", "inappropriate", "offensive" etc.
But few people have been arguing that they are wrong.
All it would achieve is momentary satisfaction, at the cost of cooperation at a time when cooperation is needed.
That's what BoZo did
He pissed off everybody to make himself feel better.
Twat.
Everybody?
Probably not everybody. But even a slice of Brexit backers have come out against what he said. Our colleague @HYUFD1 for one, or this from Julia Hartley-Brewer;
Even as a staunch Brexiteer, this is totally cringe from @BorisJohnson. Comparing the vote to leave the EU with the Ukrainian people fighting for their lives against a foreign invader is an insult to their bravery and sacrifice.
Put it this way. Do you think that Ukrainians hearing Boris's remarks will think more or less of him as a result?
But that's the thing about Boris. Nearly everybody likes the idea of Boris, and nearly everybody likes him on first encounter. The dislike always comes later.
\ Somehow doubt Brexit is at forefront of most Ukrainians' thoughts at present. Or ever.
They are literally asking the EU to throw out decades of accession policy to admit them.
They want to anchor their western orientation and escape from Russian domination. They're not pining for the acquis communautaire.
Says you. Then again, Boris does appeal to Britain who think they should tell the rest of the world what they should do.
It's true. Dmitry Gordon, who's one of the main serious Ukrainian political broadcasters, said today that Ukraine's main allies are the US, UK, Poland and the Baltic states, in that order.
Like citing Owen Jones as a source for what you all think.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
All it would achieve is momentary satisfaction, at the cost of cooperation at a time when cooperation is needed.
That's what BoZo did
He pissed off everybody to make himself feel better.
Twat.
Everybody?
Probably not everybody. But even a slice of Brexit backers have come out against what he said. Our colleague @HYUFD1 for one, or this from Julia Hartley-Brewer;
Even as a staunch Brexiteer, this is totally cringe from @BorisJohnson. Comparing the vote to leave the EU with the Ukrainian people fighting for their lives against a foreign invader is an insult to their bravery and sacrifice.
Put it this way. Do you think that Ukrainians hearing Boris's remarks will think more or less of him as a result?
But that's the thing about Boris. Nearly everybody likes the idea of Boris, and nearly everybody likes him on first encounter. The dislike always comes later.
\ Somehow doubt Brexit is at forefront of most Ukrainians' thoughts at present. Or ever.
They are literally asking the EU to throw out decades of accession policy to admit them.
They want to anchor their western orientation and escape from Russian domination. They're not pining for the acquis communautaire.
Says you. Then again, Boris does appeal to Britain who think they should tell the rest of the world what they should do.
It's true. Dmitry Gordon, who's one of the main serious Ukrainian political broadcasters, said today that Ukraine's main allies are the US, UK, Poland and the Baltic states, in that order.
Like citing Owen Jones as a source for what you all think.
Oleksiy Arestovich says the same. It's not an unusual point of view.
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
BoZo being PM helps Putin.
By supplying arms, and having had Ukrainian troops trained for the last seven years? You have to be the most blinkered idiot on this site, and that includes hyfud.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
One of the reasons I wrote the header for the last thread was because of the continuing failure to learn from other problems and also sharing good practice. The sharing of knowledge is one thing that is essential to preventing problems recurring.
There was to be a conference of child psychiatrists at Great Ormond Street. But because a pro-trans charity objected to some of the participants (who the fuck made them arbiters anyway?) the conference has been cancelled.
And so child psychiatrists dealing with troubled children needing the most sensitive and best evidenced care possible will be deprived of an opportunity to share knowledge, have open honest discussion etc. The people they will not be hearing from include -
1. The Director of the Tavistock Clinic, Dr Polly Carmichael 2. Dr Hilary Cass - who is leading the NHS's Independent Review into GID services 3. Dr David Bell, a psychiatrist who worked at the Tavistock for 25 years and who resigned after becoming a whistleblower 4. The former head of psychology at the Tavistock 5. Helen Joyce - who wrote "Trans".
And many others.
I ask again - why is a small charity able to bully a major hospital in this way? Why does a major hospital allow itself to be bullied? Frank and honest debate on sensitive topics is needed more than ever. When there is no debate, when information is not shared, when concerns are not addressed, that is when sloppy, bad or dangerous practice begins to develop and spread - with dangerous consequences for the vulnerable. It is iniquitous.
Dr Cass said just this in her interim report - that the toxic debate around adult gender issues had badly impacted on the care available for children because of the fear it had engendered among professionals in the field.
I feel strongly about this because one of my children was one of those vulnerable children and if I had not had the determination and means to get them away from the utterly inadequate and misguided care on offer God knows what would have happened. Well, I do know. We'd be visiting a grave every week.
To me everything has changed and how each party faces the huge problems going forward will decide GE24
I do expect problems for labour and the SNP if they object to the development of oil and gas fields within the UK as we becoming self sufficient in the transition to net zero and stop importing energy, not just from Russia but elsewhere when we can provide it ourselves and with high paid UK jobs
Net Zero is one thing - being self-sufficient in energy is another. We can ramp up oil and gas production but that won't make us net zero - investing more in renewables seems the obvious way forward and it wasn't that long ago we had 0% of our energy derived from coal on some days.
The other side of the equation is how much energy we use and whether a few simple measures could reduce our energy consumption but that will depend on the degree to which we are prepared to change (or compromise) our lifestyle to reduce energy consumption. That's going to be the harder sell.
It is a balance but it is a 20 year transition
I would recommend that HMG makes energy efficiency in homes a statutory requirement with a minimum rating of C required on the sale of property, thereby making improving energy efficiency a real positive but also that house sales will need to reflect in negotiations the costs and no doubt the owner reducing the price or the buyer greeing to make the investment
I understand some mortgages are available at at lower interest rates already for energy efficient homes
The cost according to X rebellion is one trillion to insulate all our homes and that is not possible from the government purse
It won't cost anything like a trillion. XR are dickheads.
How much do you think it will cost for every home in the UK
Let's assume there are 20 million homes in the UK. That's probably not too far from the truth.
Now, at the one end you'll have 100 year old homes that have never had any insulation and leak heat like a sieve. On the other, you'll have modern apartment complexes with double or triple glazing, which will require nothing.
Let's also not forget that the 80:20 rule applies here. You can achieve an awful lot pretty easily - you don't need to do *everything*, you can do the most cost effective things (such as roof insulation) pretty easily and cheaply.
So, I'd say you can do an awful lot with just 20 billion.
The easiest thing to do is to make sure that you have the highest standards in new builds, but every time a government proposes doing such a thing, the building industry sucks it collective teeth and mutters darkly about the government's house-building targets, and the standards are watered down, and implementation is delayed.
That’s true. Developers can also water down the environmental standards of new builds by arguing that they’re not ‘viable’.
An interesting stat is that 80% of the housing stock that will exist in 2050 is already built. Improving the thermal efficiency of the old stock is a mammoth task.
It’s estimated that to bring the housing stock in Leeds alone to zero carbon (admittedly a very ambitious target) will be somewhere north of £5bn. Current government funding is targeted at social housing. Where the money will come from to help meet the cost for the private rented and owner occupiers is currently unknown.
It’s a bit of a mess really. I’m all for zero carbon and I hope renewable energy generation comes on leaps and bounds as technology improves. But we might have to rely on fossil for some time yet, as unpalatable as that may be for some. And we have to figure out how to make old housing massively more thermal efficient and decide how we’re going to pay for it.
There's a shopping list of changes that can be implemented to reduce energy usage - from insulation to solar panels to double glazing to LED lighting to more efficient household appliances.
Some of these things are cheap, and have a big effect. Some are expensive, and only have a small one.
Rather than fixating on the 'ohmygodweneedtodoeverythingatonce' number, how about identifying the lowest hanging fruit, and implementing them.
And when we've done that, we'll have reduced energy usage (and imports) meaningfully, and then we can ask 'what next?'
I don’t disagree with you. But a lot of policy and decision makers are looking at the big, scary numbers. And a lot of the low hanging fruit has already been picked.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
Have you watched the video? That’s not what he actually said
Boris was silly in his comment but as ever the whole speech was worth listening to and really did give an insight into how he intends fighting the next GE, if indeed he does
With respect there is a degree of hyperbole here from the usual suspects and for some to suggest he should be sidelined in essential defence and security meetings in the EU is absurd and an absolute gift to Putin
Heard something about "hyperbolic" weapons on the news
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
Nobody "needs" to listen to a confirmed fool like Boris.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
I really don't. The man is a fucking embarassment. You're a Tory member, just get rid of him already, I'm so tired of his shit.
I've just watched the Boris clip, and it's pretty grotesque. He thinks there's a valid comparison to be made between:
1. The UK choosing to leave the EU, by a narrow margin, following a rancorous but pretty peaceful democratic referendum.
2. Ukraine fighting for its independent future following an invasion by a foreign country that has already led to thousands dead and the destruction of much of Ukraine's infrastructure.
Seriously, nobody can think that's a valid or sensible comparison. It is pretty offensive, though.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
I really don't. The man is a fucking embarassment. You're a Tory member, just get rid of him already, I'm so tired of his shit.
I am not a conservative member nor have been for six months
The matter of Boris's future rests with his mps and unless they act he could be fighting an election as late as January 2025
Little known fact, Boris has about a dozen body-doubles in strategic places around the country. The idea is to create diversions to stop anybody from the Child Support Agency from getting to him.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
Nobody "needs" to listen to a confirmed fool like Boris.
I would point out that a new person has arrived to sort out Johnson and No 10 - Cazzina i think is his name. And the first thing he did was make a presentation to the Cabinet saying 'Delivering on Brexit' was top of the agenda for next GE.
You can almost hear the Tory PR men phoning around ministers trying to find one - other than Nadine - willing to make the case that brave Brits voting for Brexit is on a par with Ukrainians seeing their children being blown to pieces by Putin’s long-range missiles. https://twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1505302676522815496
Guess it is Nadine on the Sunday shows tomorrow then.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
I really don't. The man is a fucking embarassment. You're a Tory member, just get rid of him already, I'm so tired of his shit.
The tragic, infuriating thing is this: much of the speech is reasonable. Much of the last month of Tory behaviour, outside the home office, has been reasonable. Even the foreign secretary has shown moments of semi-competence. And then bang. He just can’t help himself.
It is excruciating when things like this happen. They make Britain look unserious. They undo months of gradual goodwill building with our allies. They play perfectly into Putin’s divide and conquer strategy.
Little known fact, Boris has about a dozen body-doubles in strategic places around the country. The idea is to create diversions to stop anybody from the Child Support Agency from getting to him.
In which case, can we find a Boris Body Double who has better morals and work ethic to run the country?
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
Nobody "needs" to listen to a confirmed fool like Boris.
I would point out that a new person has arrived to sort out Johnson and No 10 - Cazzina i think is his name. And the first thing he did was make a presentation to the Cabinet saying 'Delivering on Brexit' was top of the agenda for next GE.
Just a thought - but that may explain the speech?
Actually I think it was a poor analogy but the wider context of his speech was uncompromising on Putin
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
Nobody "needs" to listen to a confirmed fool like Boris.
I would point out that a new person has arrived to sort out Johnson and No 10 - Cazzina i think is his name. And the first thing he did was make a presentation to the Cabinet saying 'Delivering on Brexit' was top of the agenda for next GE.
Just a thought - but that may explain the speech?
Another explanation is the Boris is sad little fantasist who thinks he's the protagonist in some heroic struggle, whereas he's just a thick posh twat who's been promoted too far. And when his fuzzy, narrowing arteries finally shut his stupid, melted, drooping eyes for the last time the world will shrug and pick up the pieces and definitely not build the 50ft statue of him he thinks he deserves.
Boris was silly in his comment but as ever the whole speech was worth listening to and really did give an insight into how he intends fighting the next GE, if indeed he does
With respect there is a degree of hyperbole here from the usual suspects and for some to suggest he should be sidelined in essential defence and security meetings in the EU is absurd and an absolute gift to Putin
Heard something about "hyperbolic" weapons on the news
... worth millions to the bio-weapons division. Now, if you're smart, we can both come out of it as heroes and we'll be set up for life.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
Nobody "needs" to listen to a confirmed fool like Boris.
I would point out that a new person has arrived to sort out Johnson and No 10 - Cazzina i think is his name. And the first thing he did was make a presentation to the Cabinet saying 'Delivering on Brexit' was top of the agenda for next GE.
Just a thought - but that may explain the speech?
Another explanation is the Boris is sad little fantasist who thinks he's the protagonist in some heroic struggle, whereas he's just a thick posh twat who's been promoted too far. And when his fuzzy, narrowing arteries finally shut his stupid, melted, drooping eyes for the last time the world will shrug and pick up the pieces and definitely not build the 50ft statue of him he thinks he deserves.
Due to having fessed up to suffering from excessive boredom during Lockdown, PB's resident flint-knapper @Leon was commissioned by CCHQ to knap the perfect sculpture of Boris Johnson! Finally able to take a break from knapping strangely shaped sex-toys, he accepted the work in a heartbeat, and got to sculpting the same day. Arduous work, but he felt that, over the course of several weeks of almost continuous knapping, that he got it almost completely spot on with just a little bit more required.
However, @Leon had found that he had knapped so meticulously that his hands were thoroughly knackered and sore. He wondered about taking some time off in order to finish off his masterpiece at a later date. Boris's office phoned him back reasonably promptly, but to @Leon's horror, he was told in no uncertain terms that he would lose his fee if he stopped work!
And this is why people said that a war made it even more important to remove Boris Johnson from a leadership position. But Conservative MPs had their chance, and they fluffed it.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
I haven’t listened to the whole speech, and won’t. Boris never says anything of interest, it’s all waffle and guffaw.
I think this was just another careless throwaway comment, and not intended to mean much - but it is correct that the literal implication of his comparison is that the EU os some kind of fascist aggressor state, and - by implication - remainers are pro-fascist traitors.
Boris doesn’t - rhetorically or in practice - govern for the whole country. Only to serve his own ego and for the craic.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
I really don't. The man is a fucking embarassment. You're a Tory member, just get rid of him already, I'm so tired of his shit.
The tragic, infuriating thing is this: much of the speech is reasonable. Much of the last month of Tory behaviour, outside the home office, has been reasonable. Even the foreign secretary has shown moments of semi-competence. And then bang. He just can’t help himself.
It is excruciating when things like this happen. They make Britain look unserious. They undo months of gradual goodwill building with our allies. They play perfectly into Putin’s divide and conquer strategy.
Why can’t the man just f*ing shut up?
It might be time to give some serious thought to the idea that Britain is actually unserious.
Wait, did he say this stuff in front of the Ukrainian Ambassador?!?!
Not really following this story but it's just popped up in a non-political WhatsApp chat.
Yes - his speech attacked Putin throughout and praised the Ambassador and Ukrainians for their steadfastness and bravery
I would suggest for balances his speech I full should be listened to
That does not say his comment were wise
Politics is all about clips for media and he's fucked it.
Surely more about votes? Huge majority and still in power. Next election at least a year away.
You could make that comment about pretty much everything.
My sense is that a lot of Tories are desperately scrabbling to find a reason to support Johnson (including those on here). He's not particularly helpful unless you're a Brexit ultra.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
I really don't. The man is a fucking embarassment. You're a Tory member, just get rid of him already, I'm so tired of his shit.
I am not a conservative member nor have been for six months
The matter of Boris's future rests with his mps and unless they act he could be fighting an election as late as January 2025
Lesia Vasylenko @lesiavasylenko · 10m #Mariupol #Azovstal One of the biggest metallurgic plants in #Europe destroyed. The economic losses for #Ukraine are huge. The environment is devastated #StopRussiaNOW
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
Nobody "needs" to listen to a confirmed fool like Boris.
I would point out that a new person has arrived to sort out Johnson and No 10 - Cazzina i think is his name. And the first thing he did was make a presentation to the Cabinet saying 'Delivering on Brexit' was top of the agenda for next GE.
Just a thought - but that may explain the speech?
Another explanation is the Boris is sad little fantasist who thinks he's the protagonist in some heroic struggle, whereas he's just a thick posh twat who's been promoted too far. And when his fuzzy, narrowing arteries finally shut his stupid, melted, drooping eyes for the last time the world will shrug and pick up the pieces and definitely not build the 50ft statue of him he thinks he deserves.
Due to having fessed up to suffering from excessive boredom during Lockdown, PB's resident flint-knapper @Leon was commissioned by CCHQ to knap the perfect sculpture of Boris Johnson! Finally able to take a break from knapping strangely shaped sex-toys, he accepted the work in a heartbeat, and got to sculpting the same day. Arduous work, but he felt that, over the course of several weeks of almost continuous knapping, that he got it almost completely spot on with just a little bit more required.
However, @Leon had found that he had knapped so meticulously that his hands were thoroughly knackered and sore. He wondered about taking some time off in order to finish off his masterpiece at a later date. Boris's office phoned him back reasonably promptly, but to @Leon's horror, he was told in no uncertain terms that he would lose his fee if he stopped work!
You can almost hear the Tory PR men phoning around ministers trying to find one - other than Nadine - willing to make the case that brave Brits voting for Brexit is on a par with Ukrainians seeing their children being blown to pieces by Putin’s long-range missiles. https://twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1505302676522815496
Guess it is Nadine on the Sunday shows tomorrow then.
Pssst If a part of the next election is about Brexit, then Boris wins. Just saying. If you dislike the man, focus on the parties etc.
Yep.
His new strategy man has said as much. Johnson wants 2024 to be a division election between 'yay' Brexit and regret Brexit thereby avoiding the economic shitstorm he is presiding over.
Edit: His crass statement today was trolling. The whole point was to get people even thinking about the 'B' word again because of late thanks to covid and Ukr we have all been talking about other stuff. He wants us to be talking about Brexit. 2024 GE will be about playing that old tune one more time. It is all he will have left.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
I really don't. The man is a fucking embarassment. You're a Tory member, just get rid of him already, I'm so tired of his shit.
I am not a conservative member nor have been for six months
The matter of Boris's future rests with his mps and unless they act he could be fighting an election as late as January 2025
January 2025??
It was established earlier that the changes to the FTPA requires an election by mid January 2025 at the latest
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
I haven’t listened to the whole speech, and won’t. Boris never says anything of interest, it’s all waffle and guffaw.
I think this was just another careless throwaway comment, and not intended to mean much - but it is correct that the literal implication of his comparison is that the EU os some kind of fascist aggressor state, and - by implication - remainers are pro-fascist traitors.
Boris doesn’t - rhetorically or in practice - govern for the whole country. Only to serve his own ego and for the craic.
He needs to be history.
And that is up to his mps or the electorate in a GE between 2024 and January 2025
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
I really don't. The man is a fucking embarassment. You're a Tory member, just get rid of him already, I'm so tired of his shit.
I am not a conservative member nor have been for six months
The matter of Boris's future rests with his mps and unless they act he could be fighting an election as late as January 2025
January 2025??
In theory, yes.
Dissolution just before Christmas 2024 (GE 2019 + 5 years) followed by a campaign.
The only reason to do that will be a combination of still being behind in the polls, Micawber and spite, so it's unlikely.
But it could happen. In fact, I think February 2025 is theoretically possible.
Pssst If a part of the next election is about Brexit, then Boris wins. Just saying. If you dislike the man, focus on the parties etc.
But does he? Is anyone actually asking the question? Is the stunning success of Brexit and our newfound prosperity really motivating thankful Red wall voters and P&O ferry staff to go and register their heartfelt thanks at the ballot box?
Or - seeing that Ukraine analogies are today’s thing - is the legendary Brexit trump card like those hordes of pro-Russian Donbass residents ready to welcome the invaders with bouquets because once in an election several years ago they voted a particular way?
Pssst If a part of the next election is about Brexit, then Boris wins. Just saying. If you dislike the man, focus on the parties etc.
Yep.
His new strategy man has said as much. Johnson wants 2024 to be a division election between 'yay' Brexit and regret Brexit thereby avoiding the economic shitstorm he is presiding over.
Yup. Brexit, plus “strong leader” on Russia (worst thing anyone can do is get stuck into whataboutery over precious donations because he’ll just say “Ukraine”), and I now think some wedge issues around new U.K. oil drilling etc, wrapped in “energy sovereignty” “take back control” speak. Oh, and a bit of culture war, plus outflanking Labour on NHS/police numbers I expect.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
I really don't. The man is a fucking embarassment. You're a Tory member, just get rid of him already, I'm so tired of his shit.
I am not a conservative member nor have been for six months
The matter of Boris's future rests with his mps and unless they act he could be fighting an election as late as January 2025
January 2025??
It was established earlier that the changes to the FTPA requires an election by mid January 2025 at the latest
Really oh I thought it had to be December 2024 at the latest.
All it would achieve is momentary satisfaction, at the cost of cooperation at a time when cooperation is needed.
That's what BoZo did
He pissed off everybody to make himself feel better.
Twat.
Yes, and even HYUFD thinks he shouldn't have said it.
The situation is not improved by others acting the same. We learn as children two wrongs don't make a right.
To be controversial:
Mount Snowden’s and Everest are both mountains. No one would deny that Everest is bigger and more significant than Snowdon.
Brexit and Ukraine’s defence against Russian invasion are both examples of sovereign states choosing a path: both examples of freedom. No one would deny that Ukraine is far more significant a defence of freedom than Brexit
Make a comparison broad enough and we could compare anything, but it would lose particular relevance as a point.
In the Brexit vote the UK decided it didn’t want to be part of the EU.
Ukraine has made its views on being incorporated into Russia abundantly clear.
They are both examples of the same desire for independence.
It’s a relevant comparison but it is certainly not saying they are equivalent, just that they are part of the same category
So, to be clear, Johnson has been saying for a month that a battle between western values and undemocratic ones is paramount. Are the Ukrainians to conclude that the entirety of western and eastern europe, with the exception of Norway, the UK, and Switzwerland, represents an equivalently undemocratic and oppressive to bloc to the Russian Federation in its worst, and current, Putinist incarnation ? Otherwise why make the comparison at all ?
It's just imbecility and counter-productive anti western unity at a hugely important time ; but it does have the one attribute - it illustrates more succinctly than ever before how utterly out of touch with reality the "EUSSR" mentality, that this speech was designed to appeal to amongst conservative activists, really is.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
I really don't. The man is a fucking embarassment. You're a Tory member, just get rid of him already, I'm so tired of his shit.
I am not a conservative member nor have been for six months
The matter of Boris's future rests with his mps and unless they act he could be fighting an election as late as January 2025
January 2025??
In theory, yes.
Dissolution just before Christmas 2024 (GE 2019 + 5 years) followed by a campaign.
The only reason to do that will be a combination of still being behind in the polls, Micawber and spite, so it's unlikely.
But it could happen. In fact, I think February 2025 is theoretically possible.
Starmers task is to make 2024 about the future. Not about Brexit. That is done. Now we look forward. What is next?
Wilson showed the way.
Yup. In some ways he’d be best rarely referring to Boris and co at all.
Good idea. Look as if he is irrelevant. We've moved on. The cost of living is a gift, sadly - but still a gift, Johnson looks out of touch and lost as that crisis engulfs the tories. Who gives a flying feck about the 2016 vote when your energy bill has gone by by £1,000?
Pssst If a part of the next election is about Brexit, then Boris wins. Just saying. If you dislike the man, focus on the parties etc.
Yep.
His new strategy man has said as much. Johnson wants 2024 to be a division election between 'yay' Brexit and regret Brexit thereby avoiding the economic shitstorm he is presiding over.
Yup. Brexit, plus “strong leader” on Russia (worst thing anyone can do is get stuck into whataboutery over precious donations because he’ll just say “Ukraine”), and I now think some wedge issues around new U.K. oil drilling etc, wrapped in “energy sovereignty” “take back control” speak. Oh, and a bit of culture war, plus outflanking Labour on NHS/police numbers I expect.
It’s very predictable. Not that it can’t prove effective.
Keir needs to make a speech now, accusing Boris of being “caught napping” - on energy issues, on Russian influence, and on the cost of living.
There’s huge truth to it, we all know very well Boris’s governance style by now.
Strange that tonight you have been quoting all those who have never come to terms with Brexit
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
The PM sowed division by likening the EU to Putin and by implication calling Remain voters traitors. He is utterly lacking in class and a disgrace to this country. Anyone who defends him is swimming in the same sewer.
You need to listen to the whole speech
The BBC have an edit with the EU bit removed. This edit of the speech (a speech presumably written by someone sensible with the contentious off the cuff riffing added by Johnson) is quite good. The Boris Today BBC seem to have given up on the speech completely at 11.00 on News 24.
We all know Johnson likes to showboat, but this wasn't in the best possible taste.
Pssst If a part of the next election is about Brexit, then Boris wins. Just saying. If you dislike the man, focus on the parties etc.
Yep.
His new strategy man has said as much. Johnson wants 2024 to be a division election between 'yay' Brexit and regret Brexit thereby avoiding the economic shitstorm he is presiding over.
Edit: His crass statement today was trolling. The whole point was to get people even thinking about the 'B' word again because of late thanks to covid and Ukr we have all been talking about other stuff. He wants us to be talking about Brexit. 2024 GE will be about playing that old tune one more time. It is all he will have left.
If that is their strategy then they are doomed. It is as stupid in the opposite way as the Remoaners (rather than Remainers) after the referendum who thought that Brexit would be such a disaster they would be able to drive the Brexiteers from power and reverse the result.
As some clever people observed on here both before and after the referendum, Brexit was never gong to as good or as bad as the opposite sides claimed. It was a process - necessary from my point of view, unnecessary from the view of Remain voters - which would allow further changes as we move forward rather than being some sort of big bang change that so many claimed.
If the Tory party are hanging their hopes on Brexit making any difference one way or another by 2024 then they are deluded.
Starmer seems to get this which is just one reason amongst many why I think he would make a better PM right now than Johnson.
Pssst If a part of the next election is about Brexit, then Boris wins. Just saying. If you dislike the man, focus on the parties etc.
Yep.
His new strategy man has said as much. Johnson wants 2024 to be a division election between 'yay' Brexit and regret Brexit thereby avoiding the economic shitstorm he is presiding over.
Yup. Brexit, plus “strong leader” on Russia (worst thing anyone can do is get stuck into whataboutery over precious donations because he’ll just say “Ukraine”), and I now think some wedge issues around new U.K. oil drilling etc, wrapped in “energy sovereignty” “take back control” speak. Oh, and a bit of culture war, plus outflanking Labour on NHS/police numbers I expect.
Labour can totally outgun Johnson on NHS and police etc, if Reeves does her maths right. There is a massive ton of money that could be raised in this country by better taxation that does not involve charging the average working person extra NI.
Starmer needs to be bold. Or at least let his team be bold.
That would be an unhelpful reaction. It doesn't help the EU or anyone else to not invite the UK PM to summits they otherwise intended to invite him to. All it would achieve is momentary satisfaction, at the cost of cooperation at a time when cooperation is needed. I hope the EU are sensible enough not to act in such a petty manner.
BBC have finally reported Johnson's remarks. Apparently it's offended Ed Davey, Gavin Barwell and Donald Tusk . And that is a bad thing how?
Things are not judged solely on who they annoy or offend, but on their own merits.
If you were the EU, would you be feeling inclined to invite someone who had just compared you to Putin's Russia ? It certainly wouldn't be the right decision not to, but I can't say I would be particularly surprised if it made a decision not to more likely.
Starmers task is to make 2024 about the future. Not about Brexit. That is done. Now we look forward. What is next?
Wilson showed the way.
Yup. In some ways he’d be best rarely referring to Boris and co at all.
Good idea. Look as if he is irrelevant. We've moved on. The cost of living is a gift, sadly - but still a gift, Johnson looks out of touch and lost as that crisis engulfs the tories. Who gives a flying feck about the 2016 vote when your energy bill has gone by by £1,000?
Yup. The important thing for Labour to grasp is that Brexit is a fact of life now, and many of the voters they need like it. They also aren’t, frankly, going to change any of the fundamentals of the 2020 settlement in a first term. So ignore it. Take it as a given and talk about things that affect people every day. You might think Brexit is implicated, but don’t say that. Focus on the solution starting from here.
That would be an unhelpful reaction. It doesn't help the EU or anyone else to not invite the UK PM to summits they otherwise intended to invite him to. All it would achieve is momentary satisfaction, at the cost of cooperation at a time when cooperation is needed. I hope the EU are sensible enough not to act in such a petty manner.
BBC have finally reported Johnson's remarks. Apparently it's offended Ed Davey, Gavin Barwell and Donald Tusk . And that is a bad thing how?
Things are not judged solely on who they annoy or offend, but on their own merits.
If you were the EU, would you be feeling inclined to invite someone who had just compared you to Putin's Russia ? It certainly wouldn't be the right decision not to, but I can't say I would be particularly surprised if it might the decision not to more likely.
Because Ukraine matters more than we or the EU do and the British PM has to be part of the discussion.
As it happens I don’t think he quite said that, or that his speech was anything other than the usual politics, but I can see why you (and they) would, at least for effect.
To me everything has changed and how each party faces the huge problems going forward will decide GE24
I do expect problems for labour and the SNP if they object to the development of oil and gas fields within the UK as we becoming self sufficient in the transition to net zero and stop importing energy, not just from Russia but elsewhere when we can provide it ourselves and with high paid UK jobs
Net Zero is one thing - being self-sufficient in energy is another. We can ramp up oil and gas production but that won't make us net zero - investing more in renewables seems the obvious way forward and it wasn't that long ago we had 0% of our energy derived from coal on some days.
The other side of the equation is how much energy we use and whether a few simple measures could reduce our energy consumption but that will depend on the degree to which we are prepared to change (or compromise) our lifestyle to reduce energy consumption. That's going to be the harder sell.
It is a balance but it is a 20 year transition
I would recommend that HMG makes energy efficiency in homes a statutory requirement with a minimum rating of C required on the sale of property, thereby making improving energy efficiency a real positive but also that house sales will need to reflect in negotiations the costs and no doubt the owner reducing the price or the buyer greeing to make the investment
I understand some mortgages are available at at lower interest rates already for energy efficient homes
The cost according to X rebellion is one trillion to insulate all our homes and that is not possible from the government purse
It won't cost anything like a trillion. XR are dickheads.
How much do you think it will cost for every home in the UK
Let's assume there are 20 million homes in the UK. That's probably not too far from the truth.
Now, at the one end you'll have 100 year old homes that have never had any insulation and leak heat like a sieve. On the other, you'll have modern apartment complexes with double or triple glazing, which will require nothing.
Let's also not forget that the 80:20 rule applies here. You can achieve an awful lot pretty easily - you don't need to do *everything*, you can do the most cost effective things (such as roof insulation) pretty easily and cheaply.
So, I'd say you can do an awful lot with just 20 billion.
The easiest thing to do is to make sure that you have the highest standards in new builds, but every time a government proposes doing such a thing, the building industry sucks it collective teeth and mutters darkly about the government's house-building targets, and the standards are watered down, and implementation is delayed.
That’s true. Developers can also water down the environmental standards of new builds by arguing that they’re not ‘viable’.
An interesting stat is that 80% of the housing stock that will exist in 2050 is already built. Improving the thermal efficiency of the old stock is a mammoth task.
It’s estimated that to bring the housing stock in Leeds alone to zero carbon (admittedly a very ambitious target) will be somewhere north of £5bn. Current government funding is targeted at social housing. Where the money will come from to help meet the cost for the private rented and owner occupiers is currently unknown.
It’s a bit of a mess really. I’m all for zero carbon and I hope renewable energy generation comes on leaps and bounds as technology improves. But we might have to rely on fossil for some time yet, as unpalatable as that may be for some. And we have to figure out how to make old housing massively more thermal efficient and decide how we’re going to pay for it.
There's a shopping list of changes that can be implemented to reduce energy usage - from insulation to solar panels to double glazing to LED lighting to more efficient household appliances.
Some of these things are cheap, and have a big effect. Some are expensive, and only have a small one.
Rather than fixating on the 'ohmygodweneedtodoeverythingatonce' number, how about identifying the lowest hanging fruit, and implementing them.
And when we've done that, we'll have reduced energy usage (and imports) meaningfully, and then we can ask 'what next?'
I heard a story about a couple who claimed to have turned the heating down by a degree each time it was recommended and are now at 4 degrees, or something like. I generally wonder how much low hanging fruit is left. Surely most have energy efficient light bulbs by now? And have lagged the loft? What is the true status of the targets in U.K. housing stock? I know they’re not all passive houses, but I dont believe that they are all single glazed uninsulated wrecks either.
Energy use is not a sin - it is a hallmark of prosperity and progress. I haven't listened to Boris's speech, and don't intend to, but it seems like we're being offered a prospectus of cold showers and gruel, much like Churchill's blood, toil, sweat and tears, with wicked uncle Vlad and his gas taps being cast in the Hitler role.
Speaking personally, I do not accord to quality of life in Britain being lessened because a foreign country invaded another foreign country. And for a Government to impose such a change is a grotesque dereliction of duty.
That would be an unhelpful reaction. It doesn't help the EU or anyone else to not invite the UK PM to summits they otherwise intended to invite him to. All it would achieve is momentary satisfaction, at the cost of cooperation at a time when cooperation is needed. I hope the EU are sensible enough not to act in such a petty manner.
BBC have finally reported Johnson's remarks. Apparently it's offended Ed Davey, Gavin Barwell and Donald Tusk . And that is a bad thing how?
Things are not judged solely on who they annoy or offend, but on their own merits.
If you were the EU, would you be feeling inclined to invite someone who had just compared you to Putin's Russia ? It certainly wouldn't be the right decision not to, but I can't say I would be particularly surprised if it made a decision not to more likely.
I'd hope that today's news from the mayor of Mariupol would concentrate minds.
I would just comment that we all know Boris misspeaks and on Brexit it causes meltdown with those EU devotees
I would just say this will not be the last, and he may pay the price but caution maybe prudent when it comes to the unique politician, that is Boris Johnson
And with that I say goodnight on the day my son had his first 'shout ' and he and two colleagues rescued a young lady from the sea in the early hours of this morning and who apparently did not want rescuing
Scottish parents completing census forms are being advised they can assign the sex of their children, including toddlers, according to “what describes them better”.
Pssst If a part of the next election is about Brexit, then Boris wins. Just saying. If you dislike the man, focus on the parties etc.
Yep.
His new strategy man has said as much. Johnson wants 2024 to be a division election between 'yay' Brexit and regret Brexit thereby avoiding the economic shitstorm he is presiding over.
Yup. Brexit, plus “strong leader” on Russia (worst thing anyone can do is get stuck into whataboutery over precious donations because he’ll just say “Ukraine”), and I now think some wedge issues around new U.K. oil drilling etc, wrapped in “energy sovereignty” “take back control” speak. Oh, and a bit of culture war, plus outflanking Labour on NHS/police numbers I expect.
Labour can totally outgun Johnson on NHS and police etc, if Reeves does her maths right. There is a massive ton of money that could be raised in this country by better taxation that does not involve charging the average working person extra NI.
Starmer needs to be bold. Or at least let his team be bold.
All fine but until Starmer is able to say that a man in a dress with a cock and bollocks is, actually, a man in a dress and not a woman he's going to struggle to win Tory voters over. Blair would have cleared this up by now and told the transgender activists to get fucked and support the Greens or Lib Dems if they don't like it. Starmer isn't strong enough to withstand a few days of twitter condemnation from the loud minority who will try and cancel him.
I imagine that Brexit is to Boris what making love to a beautiful woman is to Swiss Toni. Doesn't matter what he's actually talking about: it's got to be linked back to Brexit/making love to a beautiful woman.
BBC have finally reported Johnson's remarks. Apparently it's offended Ed Davey, Gavin Barwell and Donald Tusk . And that is a bad thing how?
Also Guy Verhoefwhatsit
And Michael Heseltine
The Guardian just can't help themselves. These are the people they quote
Boris' remarks were clumsy and ugly, but I can now see a logic. Get the stupid Remoaners to over-react and condemn Brexit outright, then kick off the Brexit Culture Wars all over again, and reunite the Leavery tribe, as they remember how the Remoaners really did try to torpedo democracy, so their lofty outrage is absurd and rancid
Will it work? Dunno. But it's not necessarily THAT stupid. It was an NLAW of crassness aimed at the lumbering battletank of Remoaner hypocrisy
That would be an unhelpful reaction. It doesn't help the EU or anyone else to not invite the UK PM to summits they otherwise intended to invite him to. All it would achieve is momentary satisfaction, at the cost of cooperation at a time when cooperation is needed. I hope the EU are sensible enough not to act in such a petty manner.
BBC have finally reported Johnson's remarks. Apparently it's offended Ed Davey, Gavin Barwell and Donald Tusk . And that is a bad thing how?
Things are not judged solely on who they annoy or offend, but on their own merits.
If you were the EU, would you be feeling inclined to invite someone who had just compared you to Putin's Russia ? It certainly wouldn't be the right decision not to, but I can't say I would be particularly surprised if it made a decision not to more likely.
And what a stupid decision that would be. A lot of people claim the EU have been the grown ups in the room when it comes to Brexit matters, not always correctly (though our lot have been worse). This would be a chance to prove it was true, in this case, and I suggest they take it. Taking the high road would speak for itself rather than throwing a fit which undermines other work.
I would just comment that we all know Boris misspeaks and on Brexit it causes meltdown with those EU devotees
I would just say this will not be the last, and he may pay the price but caution maybe prudent when it comes to the unique politician, that is Boris Johnson
And with that I say goodnight on the day my son had his first 'shout ' and he and two colleagues rescued a young lady from the sea in the early hours of this morning and who apparently did not want rescuing
There is good in the world
Good night folks
But he didn't misspeak. It was deliberate. Start from there. You can argue he was right or wrong. Foolish, offensive, or savvy. But don't pretend it wasn't planned.
Scottish parents completing census forms are being advised they can assign the sex of their children, including toddlers, according to “what describes them better”.
Completely insane. Sex is intrinsic. It's the kind of shit that makes me want to run to be an MP and win power rather than wait for the silent majority to tell them to get fucked at an election.
One of the reasons I wrote the header for the last thread was because of the continuing failure to learn from other problems and also sharing good practice. The sharing of knowledge is one thing that is essential to preventing problems recurring.
There was to be a conference of child psychiatrists at Great Ormond Street. But because a pro-trans charity objected to some of the participants (who the fuck made them arbiters anyway?) the conference has been cancelled.
And so child psychiatrists dealing with troubled children needing the most sensitive and best evidenced care possible will be deprived of an opportunity to share knowledge, have open honest discussion etc. The people they will not be hearing from include -
1. The Director of the Tavistock Clinic, Dr Polly Carmichael 2. Dr Hilary Cass - who is leading the NHS's Independent Review into GID services 3. Dr David Bell, a psychiatrist who worked at the Tavistock for 25 years and who resigned after becoming a whistleblower 4. The former head of psychology at the Tavistock 5. Helen Joyce - who wrote "Trans".
And many others.
I ask again - why is a small charity able to bully a major hospital in this way? Why does a major hospital allow itself to be bullied? Frank and honest debate on sensitive topics is needed more than ever. When there is no debate, when information is not shared, when concerns are not addressed, that is when sloppy, bad or dangerous practice begins to develop and spread - with dangerous consequences for the vulnerable. It is iniquitous.
Dr Cass said just this in her interim report - that the toxic debate around adult gender issues had badly impacted on the care available for children because of the fear it had engendered among professionals in the field.
I feel strongly about this because one of my children was one of those vulnerable children and if I had not had the determination and means to get them away from the utterly inadequate and misguided care on offer God knows what would have happened. Well, I do know. We'd be visiting a grave every week.
I would just comment that we all know Boris misspeaks and on Brexit it causes meltdown with those EU devotees
I would just say this will not be the last, and he may pay the price but caution maybe prudent when it comes to the unique politician, that is Boris Johnson
And with that I say goodnight on the day my son had his first 'shout ' and he and two colleagues rescued a young lady from the sea in the early hours of this morning and who apparently did not want rescuing
There is good in the world
Good night folks
Who's going to rescue you from the metaphorical sea, G?
BBC have finally reported Johnson's remarks. Apparently it's offended Ed Davey, Gavin Barwell and Donald Tusk . And that is a bad thing how?
Also Guy Verhoefwhatsit
And Michael Heseltine
The Guardian just can't help themselves. These are the people they quote
Boris' remarks were clumsy and ugly, but I can now see a logic. Get the stupid Remoaners to over-react and condemn Brexit outright, then kick off the Brexit Culture Wars all over again, and reunite the Leavery tribe, as they remember how the Remoaners really did try to torpedo democracy, so their lofty outrage is absurd and rancid
Will it work? Dunno. But it's not necessarily THAT stupid. It was an NLAW of crassness aimed at the lumbering battletank of Remoaner hypocrisy
The problem is the utter narrowness and short-sightedness of it all, beyond tory conferences, and day-to-day polling . He had helped to restore some of Britain's reputation internationally over the last month, and reverse some of his own damage to it, and this just helps to drag us all back down with him.
He just doesn't have the breadth of vision to be Prime Minister, even when it looks like he's showing some signs of it.
BBC have finally reported Johnson's remarks. Apparently it's offended Ed Davey, Gavin Barwell and Donald Tusk . And that is a bad thing how?
Also Guy Verhoefwhatsit
And Michael Heseltine
The Guardian just can't help themselves. These are the people they quote
Boris' remarks were clumsy and ugly, but I can now see a logic. Get the stupid Remoaners to over-react and condemn Brexit outright, then kick off the Brexit Culture Wars all over again, and reunite the Leavery tribe, as they remember how the Remoaners really did try to torpedo democracy, so their lofty outrage is absurd and rancid
Will it work? Dunno. But it's not necessarily THAT stupid. It was an NLAW of crassness aimed at the lumbering battletank of Remoaner hypocrisy
The problem is the utter narrowness and short-sightedness of it all. He had helped to restore some of Britain's reputation internationally over the last month, and reverse some of his own damage to it, and this just helps to drag us all back down with him.
It's not that, it's causing division within the western alliance at a time we need absolute unity. Completely undermines everything we're trying to achieve to bring Putin down or at least force a withdrawal from Ukraine. Our reputation globally isn't really going to change either way with this, it's the actual issue of causing unnecessary division.
BBC have finally reported Johnson's remarks. Apparently it's offended Ed Davey, Gavin Barwell and Donald Tusk . And that is a bad thing how?
Also Guy Verhoefwhatsit
And Michael Heseltine
The Guardian just can't help themselves. These are the people they quote
Boris' remarks were clumsy and ugly, but I can now see a logic. Get the stupid Remoaners to over-react and condemn Brexit outright, then kick off the Brexit Culture Wars all over again, and reunite the Leavery tribe, as they remember how the Remoaners really did try to torpedo democracy, so their lofty outrage is absurd and rancid
Will it work? Dunno. But it's not necessarily THAT stupid. It was an NLAW of crassness aimed at the lumbering battletank of Remoaner hypocrisy
I dunno, I think I'd prefer to hear what Michael Heseltine has to say than someone like Darren Grimes.
BBC have finally reported Johnson's remarks. Apparently it's offended Ed Davey, Gavin Barwell and Donald Tusk . And that is a bad thing how?
Also Guy Verhoefwhatsit
And Michael Heseltine
The Guardian just can't help themselves. These are the people they quote
Boris' remarks were clumsy and ugly, but I can now see a logic. Get the stupid Remoaners to over-react and condemn Brexit outright, then kick off the Brexit Culture Wars all over again, and reunite the Leavery tribe, as they remember how the Remoaners really did try to torpedo democracy, so their lofty outrage is absurd and rancid
Will it work? Dunno. But it's not necessarily THAT stupid. It was an NLAW of crassness aimed at the lumbering battletank of Remoaner hypocrisy
The problem is the utter narrowness and short-sightedness of it all. He had helped to restore some of Britain's reputation internationally over the last month, and reverse some of his own damage to it, and this just helps to drag us all back down with him.
It's not that, it's causing division within the western alliance at a time we need absolute unity. Completely undermines everything we're trying to achieve to bring Putin down or at least force a withdrawal from Ukraine. Our reputation globally isn't really going to change either way with this, it's the actual issue of causing unnecessary division.
In the first days of the invasion, Western countries were racing with each other to apply the most punitive sanctions so division can be healthy if there is a common goal. Remember the synthetic sneering about the UK not sanctioning as many entities as the EU.
In 2019, the salience of Brexit (72%) was its highest since 1972. In February it was 13%, its lowest since December 2015. It will be very difficult to fight the next election as if its 2016-19
BBC have finally reported Johnson's remarks. Apparently it's offended Ed Davey, Gavin Barwell and Donald Tusk . And that is a bad thing how?
Also Guy Verhoefwhatsit
And Michael Heseltine
The Guardian just can't help themselves. These are the people they quote
Boris' remarks were clumsy and ugly, but I can now see a logic. Get the stupid Remoaners to over-react and condemn Brexit outright, then kick off the Brexit Culture Wars all over again, and reunite the Leavery tribe, as they remember how the Remoaners really did try to torpedo democracy, so their lofty outrage is absurd and rancid
Will it work? Dunno. But it's not necessarily THAT stupid. It was an NLAW of crassness aimed at the lumbering battletank of Remoaner hypocrisy
The problem is the utter narrowness and short-sightedness of it all. He had helped to restore some of Britain's reputation internationally over the last month, and reverse some of his own damage to it, and this just helps to drag us all back down with him.
It's not that, it's causing division within the western alliance at a time we need absolute unity. Completely undermines everything we're trying to achieve to bring Putin down or at least force a withdrawal from Ukraine. Our reputation globally isn't really going to change either way with this, it's the actual issue of causing unnecessary division.
In the first days of the invasion, Western countries were racing with each other to apply the most punitive sanctions so division can be healthy if there is a common goal. Remember the synthetic sneering about the UK not sanctioning as many entities as the EU.
What was synthetic about it? The UK foot dragged. Or at least, gave the strong impression of food dragging.
In 2019, the salience of Brexit (72%) was its highest since 1972. In February it was 13%, its lowest since December 2015. It will be very difficult to fight the next election as if its 2016-19
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Some of these things are cheap, and have a big effect. Some are expensive, and only have a small one.
Rather than fixating on the 'ohmygodweneedtodoeverythingatonce' number, how about identifying the lowest hanging fruit, and implementing them.
And when we've done that, we'll have reduced energy usage (and imports) meaningfully, and then we can ask 'what next?'
Grow the duck up and stop retweeting shit.
https://twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1505302676522815496
Boris was silly but all these posts are doing is helping Putin by sowing division
Today BoZo reminded us he is a fucking clown.
Britain had an opportunity to make amends and regain a place of international respect during this crisis, and he and Patel are doing their best to blow it.
I generally wonder how much low hanging fruit is left. Surely most have energy efficient light bulbs by now? And have lagged the loft? What is the true status of the targets in U.K. housing stock? I know they’re not all passive houses, but I dont believe that they are all single glazed uninsulated wrecks either.
If you had listened to his whole speech he railed against Putin throughout
What are you applying for, again?
Not really following this story but it's just popped up in a non-political WhatsApp chat.
I would suggest for balances his speech I full should be listened to
That does not say his comment were wise
https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1505312164797730820?s=20&t=BG-F6mqPRtXSBuXarWgxWg
You really want to alarm Vlad? You really want to give hope to the Russian opposition?
Show them how it's done. Dump Johnson and show them how life goes on without Big Dog.
There was to be a conference of child psychiatrists at Great Ormond Street. But because a pro-trans charity objected to some of the participants (who the fuck made them arbiters anyway?) the conference has been cancelled.
And so child psychiatrists dealing with troubled children needing the most sensitive and best evidenced care possible will be deprived of an opportunity to share knowledge, have open honest discussion etc. The people they will not be hearing from include -
1. The Director of the Tavistock Clinic, Dr Polly Carmichael
2. Dr Hilary Cass - who is leading the NHS's Independent Review into GID services
3. Dr David Bell, a psychiatrist who worked at the Tavistock for 25 years and who resigned after becoming a whistleblower
4. The former head of psychology at the Tavistock
5. Helen Joyce - who wrote "Trans".
And many others.
I ask again - why is a small charity able to bully a major hospital in this way? Why does a major hospital allow itself to be bullied? Frank and honest debate on sensitive topics is needed more than ever. When there is no debate, when information is not shared, when concerns are not addressed, that is when sloppy, bad or dangerous practice begins to develop and spread - with dangerous consequences for the vulnerable. It is iniquitous.
Dr Cass said just this in her interim report - that the toxic debate around adult gender issues had badly impacted on the care available for children because of the fear it had engendered among professionals in the field.
I feel strongly about this because one of my children was one of those vulnerable children and if I had not had the determination and means to get them away from the utterly inadequate and misguided care on offer God knows what would have happened. Well, I do know. We'd be visiting a grave every week.
These bullies are beneath contempt.
1. The UK choosing to leave the EU, by a narrow margin, following a rancorous but pretty peaceful democratic referendum.
2. Ukraine fighting for its independent future following an invasion by a foreign country that has already led to thousands dead and the destruction of much of Ukraine's infrastructure.
Seriously, nobody can think that's a valid or sensible comparison. It is pretty offensive, though.
The matter of Boris's future rests with his mps and unless they act he could be fighting an election as late as January 2025
Just a thought - but that may explain the speech?
It is excruciating when things like this happen. They make Britain look unserious. They undo months of gradual goodwill building with our allies. They play perfectly into Putin’s divide and conquer strategy.
Why can’t the man just f*ing shut up?
#invisiblecoup
https://twitter.com/TmorrowsPapers/status/1505305321316798475?t=pZXhedRA1Vjn-pBbvIm4Jg&s=19
However, @Leon had found that he had knapped so meticulously that his hands were thoroughly knackered and sore. He wondered about taking some time off in order to finish off his masterpiece at a later date. Boris's office phoned him back reasonably promptly, but to @Leon's horror, he was told in no uncertain terms that he would lose his fee if he stopped work!
"Why?" asked @Leon on the phone incredulously.
"Simple!" Boris's underling replied. "You're not entitled to any..." He paused for effect. "...Statue-Tory Sick Pay!"
I thank you!
I think this was just another careless throwaway comment, and not intended to mean much - but it is correct that the literal implication of his comparison is that the EU os some kind of fascist aggressor state, and - by implication - remainers are pro-fascist traitors.
Boris doesn’t - rhetorically or in practice - govern for the whole country. Only to serve his own ego and for the craic.
He needs to be history.
My sense is that a lot of Tories are desperately scrabbling to find a reason to support Johnson (including those on here). He's not particularly helpful unless you're a Brexit ultra.
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#Mariupol #Azovstal One of the biggest metallurgic plants in #Europe destroyed. The economic losses for #Ukraine are huge. The environment is devastated #StopRussiaNOW
https://twitter.com/lesiavasylenko/status/1505318174459265024
His new strategy man has said as much. Johnson wants 2024 to be a division election between 'yay' Brexit and regret Brexit thereby avoiding the economic shitstorm he is presiding over.
Edit: His crass statement today was trolling. The whole point was to get people even thinking about the 'B' word again because of late thanks to covid and Ukr we have all been talking about other stuff. He wants us to be talking about Brexit. 2024 GE will be about playing that old tune one more time.
It is all he will have left.
Dissolution just before Christmas 2024 (GE 2019 + 5 years) followed by a campaign.
The only reason to do that will be a combination of still being behind in the polls, Micawber and spite, so it's unlikely.
But it could happen. In fact, I think February 2025 is theoretically possible.
Or - seeing that Ukraine analogies are today’s thing - is the legendary Brexit trump card like those hordes of pro-Russian Donbass residents ready to welcome the invaders with bouquets because once in an election several years ago they voted a particular way?
Wilson showed the way.
We have a plan for a new britain in the 2030s vs Brexit got done, let's celebrate how wonderful Boris is.
Labour looks forward.
Johnson's Tories look back to 2016.
By 2024, 2016 will be old. History. The past. Nearly a decade will have flowed under the bridge.
Starmer must make the next election about a plan for the future. Who can write that plan? He needs to be finding out asap.
Thanks Big G
It's just imbecility and counter-productive anti western unity at a hugely important time ; but it does have the one attribute - it illustrates more succinctly than ever before how utterly out of touch with reality the "EUSSR" mentality, that this speech was designed to appeal to amongst conservative activists, really is.
Not that it can’t prove effective.
Keir needs to make a speech now, accusing Boris of being “caught napping” - on energy issues, on Russian influence, and on the cost of living.
There’s huge truth to it, we all know very well Boris’s governance style by now.
We all know Johnson likes to showboat, but this wasn't in the best possible taste.
As some clever people observed on here both before and after the referendum, Brexit was never gong to as good or as bad as the opposite sides claimed. It was a process - necessary from my point of view, unnecessary from the view of Remain voters - which would allow further changes as we move forward rather than being some sort of big bang change that so many claimed.
If the Tory party are hanging their hopes on Brexit making any difference one way or another by 2024 then they are deluded.
Starmer seems to get this which is just one reason amongst many why I think he would make a better PM right now than Johnson.
Starmer needs to be bold. Or at least let his team be bold.
Sadly, the appropriate response economic response is pretty much the reverse of what is currently offered by the Tories.
I’m not sure Labour realises this either.
As it happens I don’t think he quite said that, or that his speech was anything other than the usual politics, but I can see why you (and they) would, at least for effect.
Speaking personally, I do not accord to quality of life in Britain being lessened because a foreign country invaded another foreign country. And for a Government to impose such a change is a grotesque dereliction of duty.
Bit of a pattern there.
Labour win when they focus on the future and not the past.
I would just say this will not be the last, and he may pay the price but caution maybe prudent when it comes to the unique politician, that is Boris Johnson
And with that I say goodnight on the day my son had his first 'shout ' and he and two colleagues rescued a young lady from the sea in the early hours of this morning and who apparently did not want rescuing
There is good in the world
Good night folks
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/parents-told-they-can-swap-toddlers-sex-in-scottish-census-5s7mqnnnw
And Michael Heseltine
The Guardian just can't help themselves. These are the people they quote
Boris' remarks were clumsy and ugly, but I can now see a logic. Get the stupid Remoaners to over-react and condemn Brexit outright, then kick off the Brexit Culture Wars all over again, and reunite the Leavery tribe, as they remember how the Remoaners really did try to torpedo democracy, so their lofty outrage is absurd and rancid
Will it work? Dunno. But it's not necessarily THAT stupid. It was an NLAW of crassness aimed at the lumbering battletank of Remoaner hypocrisy
But don't pretend it wasn't planned.
And well done your son.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/19/great-ormond-street-cancels-trainee-doctor-conference-trans/ (£££)
He just doesn't have the breadth of vision to be Prime Minister, even when it looks like he's showing some signs of it.
In 2019, the salience of Brexit (72%) was its highest since 1972. In February it was 13%, its lowest since December 2015. It will be very difficult to fight the next election as if its 2016-19
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The UK foot dragged. Or at least, gave the strong impression of food dragging.