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I can’t remember a day since the 2010 general election when we’ve had four new Westminster voting intention polls. They are featured in the interactive chart above.
That's what the debate should be about: how Britain makes its way in the future. How we compete. How we ensure our children are well educated and prepared for a fight for jobs in an increasingly tough world market. How our economy stays lean and our spending sustainable. How we adjust to living without spending money we haven't earned yet.
It's what politicians and thinkers on all sides should be concentrating on.
The trouble is, Ed Miliband and Ed Balls were part of the Gordon Brown team who claimed an end to boom and bust. They allowed living standards to soar on borrowed money (and boasted about it) and deliberately set the public sector to grow - and enjoy year after year pay rises in return for little or no improvements in efficiency - grossly out of proportion to the private sector. And, most distastefully of all, they issued growth predictions to justify the spending, which were based on fiction. Essentially, they allowed themselves to believe that they had ended boom and bust.
I am willing to let bygones be bygones, and I fully understand the need for an active public sector and the need to help the poor. But until Ed Miliband and Ed Balls admit their direct hand in the creation of a huge deficit and spiralling debt, I am not willing to trust their judgement on the big economic ideas.
And I suspect a lot of voters out there think the same way as me.
Having said that - sadly - I also suspect Ed Miliband will get to power. And I fear what will happen after that. Not for me, but for my children.
Libs clearly benefitting from Rennard revelations...
The Ipsos-Mori fieldwork ended on Tuesday, before the Rennard report came out, so that 4% bump was before that, so come next month, I'm expecting the Lib Dems to be on 20%
Ipsos-MORI, Populus and YouGov are all showing a quite similar picture, but Survation is very different, with a much higher UKIP figure as usual but at the expense more of Labour than the Tories, compared with the other three.
Ipsos-MORI, Populus and YouGov are all showing a quite similar picture, but Survation is very different, with a much higher UKIP figure as usual but at the expense more of Labour than the Tories, compared with the other three.
Interestingly, out of those, only survation is the one that prompts for UKIP.
For just one data point it's okay but hardly perfect. Far better as always to take account of all the polls over time with the average and examine the trends that hold for just about all the pollsters.
I am willing to let bygones be bygones, and I fully understand the need for an active public sector and the need to help the poor. But until Ed Miliband and Ed Balls admit their direct hand in the creation of a huge deficit and spiralling debt, I am not willing to trust their judgement on the big economic ideas.
You must have been gutted when Osbrowne famously triangulated on Labour spending.
Mike, I think that if you use the "Extend to nice ticks" option on Datawrapper that there's a chance that all the polls will be on the same y-axis, which will make comparing them easier.
At the moment, the Lib Dem bar changes height when you switch between the Ipsos-Mori and Populus polls, although they are at 13% in both, and the Con bar is smaller when they have 33% with Populus rather than 30% with Survation. These counter-intuitive differences occur because the range of the y-axis is currently set to be equal to the largest vote share, and so is not constant.
Good to see Osbrowne has put all the policy wonk political positioning behind him though.
Absolutely fair point, but here's the thing.
What do you think would have happened if Osborne had been a true blue deficit reducer all along???
What would have happened if he had said, as a tory should, I don;t care how prosperous you feel, its all built on debt and there will be a huge reckoning.
Mike, I think that if you use the "Extend to nice ticks" option on Datawrapper that there's a chance that all the polls will be on the same y-axis, which will make comparing them easier.
At the moment, the Lib Dem bar changes height when you switch between the Ipsos-Mori and Populus polls, although they are at 13% in both, and the Con bar is smaller when they have 33% with Populus rather than 30% with Survation. These counter-intuitive differences occur because the range of the y-axis is currently set to be equal to the largest vote share, and so is not constant.
It is quite confusing.
Mike is a LibDem, you expect his bar-charts not to be confusing?
Mike, I think that if you use the "Extend to nice ticks" option on Datawrapper that there's a chance that all the polls will be on the same y-axis, which will make comparing them easier.
At the moment, the Lib Dem bar changes height when you switch between the Ipsos-Mori and Populus polls, although they are at 13% in both, and the Con bar is smaller when they have 33% with Populus rather than 30% with Survation. These counter-intuitive differences occur because the range of the y-axis is currently set to be equal to the largest vote share, and so is not constant.
It is quite confusing.
Thanks, I'll pass that on, and remember that the next time I used datawrapper for a PB thread.
For me the most interesting polling of the day, was with whom people preferred to be in coalition with, The Tories prefer to be in coalition with the Lib Dems, and The Kippers prefer to be in a coalition with Labour than the Tories.
Is a wrong assumption to assume that the Kippers are all disgruntled Tories.
Mr. Eagles, there's also the argument (regarding coalition talk) that it's easier to get along with someone more different, instead of someone who you agree with on 85% but vehemently disagree with on 15%. Not unlike the People's Front of Judea.
Mr. Eagles, there's also the argument (regarding coalition talk) that it's easier to get along with someone more different, instead of someone who you agree with on 85% but vehemently disagree with on 15%. Not unlike the People's Front of Judea.
I'm a Tory that rather be in coalition with the Lib Dems than UKIP.
For me the most interesting polling of the day, was with whom people preferred to be in coalition with, The Tories prefer to be in coalition with the Lib Dems, and The Kippers prefer to be in a coalition with Labour than the Tories.
Is a wrong assumption to assume that the Kippers are all disgruntled Tories.
Seems to me like an allegory for splitting up with someone after a long relationship and wanting to shag someone completely different, (maybe to get the ex to meet you halfway?)
For me the most interesting polling of the day, was with whom people preferred to be in coalition with, The Tories prefer to be in coalition with the Lib Dems, and The Kippers prefer to be in a coalition with Labour than the Tories.
Is a wrong assumption to assume that the Kippers are all disgruntled Tories.
Seems to me like an allegory for splitting up with someone after a long relationship and wanting to shag someone completely different, (maybe to get the ex to meet you halfway?)
But whatever you do, don't sleep with her sister and her best mate, concurrently, that really pisses the ex off.
Ipsos-MORI, Populus and YouGov are all showing a quite similar picture, but Survation is very different, with a much higher UKIP figure as usual but at the expense more of Labour than the Tories, compared with the other three.
ICM shows UKIP's 2013 gains coming more from Lab too.
Jan 2013: Con 33%, Lab 38%, LD 15%, UKIP 6% Jan 2014: Con 32%, Lab 35%, LD 14%, UKIP 10%
Tongue firmly in cheek, the PM also recounted a day spent canvassing with the mayor, when a woman answered their knock on the door with the words: “Boris, you’re the father of one of my children.” A moment of horrified flustering by Mr Johnson was ended as she added: “It’s your daughter, I’m her maths teacher.”
There are dozens of things that, if I were asked, I would either favour or not, but that don't really concern me and this is one of them I guess
I really have to ask: why, if you doesn't really concern you, are you not in favour of it? Why is your default position one of stopping a certain group of people from having the same rights as the rest of us?
Tongue firmly in cheek, the PM also recounted a day spent canvassing with the mayor, when a woman answered their knock on the door with the words: “Boris, you’re the father of one of my children.” A moment of horrified flustering by Mr Johnson was ended as she added: “It’s your daughter, I’m her maths teacher.”
If it weren't for the fixed term parliaments act, we'd be discussing whether the coalition would be going to the country this year.
Maybe, but why would Clegg go to the country with the LDs still below the teens and why would Cameron do it when he's behind but the economy is reviving?
If it weren't for the fixed term parliaments act, we'd be discussing whether the coalition would be going to the country this year.
Maybe, but why would Clegg go to the country with the LDs still below the teens and why would Cameron do it when he's behind but the economy is reviving?
Chance of Tory vote lead: 100.0% Chance of a Tory seat lead: 98.6%
Chance of a Hung Parliament: 54.2% Chance of a Tory majority: 45.8% Chance of a Labour majority: 0.0%
A slight strengthening of the Tory position from last month, probably just MOE, although chance of a Tory majority now at its highest since January 2012...
If it weren't for the fixed term parliaments act, we'd be discussing whether the coalition would be going to the country this year.
Maybe, but why would Clegg go to the country with the LDs still below the teens and why would Cameron do it when he's behind but the economy is reviving?
The element of surprise.
Of course calling it to be simultaneous with the Europeans would likely neuter UKIP in the Euros and prevent them building up a further head of steam. (Not that it applies, but theoretically)
Has Ed made his big speech yet, I didn't feel the earth move...and it's not even on the Sky scroller...somebody had a baby and a toddler has gone missing in Scotland
If it weren't for the fixed term parliaments act, we'd be discussing whether the coalition would be going to the country this year.
Maybe, but why would Clegg go to the country with the LDs still below the teens and why would Cameron do it when he's behind but the economy is reviving?
The element of surprise.
Of course calling it to be simultaneous with the Europeans would likely neuter UKIP in the Euros and prevent them building up a further head of steam. (Not that it applies, but theoretically)
Hold the General Election as the same day as the IndyRef.
For me the most interesting polling of the day, was with whom people preferred to be in coalition with, The Tories prefer to be in coalition with the Lib Dems, and The Kippers prefer to be in a coalition with Labour than the Tories.
Is a wrong assumption to assume that the Kippers are all disgruntled Tories.
Indeed it is.
But the Tories desperately need to get back voters they have lost to UKIP - they can't win unless they do. Labour, on the other hand, remains in a winning position despite losing votes to UKIP - it cannot afford to be complacent but it's position is not as dire as the Tories.
Has Ed made his big speech yet, I didn't feel the earth move...and it's not even on the Sky scroller...somebody had a baby and a toddler has gone missing in Scotland
The Tory message at the next election is going to be "Don't let Labour wreck it"
Labour's message is now "We are committed to wrecking it"
@BBCNormanS: The choice at next election on the economy is between "a big reckoning or steady as she goes" says @Ed_Miliband
@ToryTreasury: Ed Miliband's policy wiped £1bn off RBS & Lloyds shares this morning -a loss for taxpayers. Chuka: price worth paying http://t.co/ZEJ2oHfgDi
Norman Smith picks up on the key issue of the speech.
Miliband is seeking to define `Cost of Living` as not about wages exceeding inflation etc. but about the middle and working class worrying about their jobs,incomes,pensions and about where the next generation of jobs for their children is going to come from.
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Well, I worry about all those things. And I worry that a Labour government would make them all worse for me and for my children.
Oh what complete bollocks from @Torytreasury Lloyds has been on a big upswing recently. A penny dropped off the value today, in the scheme of things a billion £ swing in market cap is neither here nor there. Doubt it has anything to do with Ed Miliband. When it goes up tommorow are they going to claim it wos Osborne wot done it ?
So, after inflicing serious damage on the energy industry and power-generation investment, having a go at housebuilders, and now apparently deliberately damaging the banking sector and its huge taxpayers' investment, where next for Ed Miliband?
The obvious next sector for him to try to wreck is supermarkets. In fact he'd hardly need to change this morning's speech, the same ignorant platitudes would do fine.
Oh what complete bollocks from @Torytreasury Lloyds has been on a big upswing recently. A penny dropped off the value today, in the scheme of things a billion £ swing in market cap is neither here nor there. Doubt it has anything to do with Ed Miliband. When it goes up tommorow are they going to claim it wos Osborne wot done it ?
Complete crap and horseshit.
Labour have already admitted that they don't mind harming the taxpayers' interests i.e. all those middle and working class people they also claim to be concerned about.
Oh what complete bollocks from @Torytreasury Lloyds has been on a big upswing recently. A penny dropped off the value today, in the scheme of things a billion £ swing in market cap is neither here nor there. Doubt it has anything to do with Ed Miliband. When it goes up tommorow are they going to claim it wos Osborne wot done it ?
Complete crap and horseshit.
Labour have already admitted that they don't mind harming the taxpayers' interests i.e. all those middle and working class people they also claim to be concerned about.
Yes but...
To claim a 0.82 penny drop is as a result of what Mr Miliband is saying is laughable.
There are dozens of things that, if I were asked, I would either favour or not, but that don't really concern me and this is one of them I guess
I really have to ask: why, if you doesn't really concern you, are you not in favour of it? Why is your default position one of stopping a certain group of people from having the same rights as the rest of us?
Surely the default should be to allow equality?
Jesus leave it would you?
I'm against it without being passionately bothered about stopping it, so what?
So, after inflicing serious damage on the energy industry and power-generation investment, having a go at housebuilders, and now apparently deliberately damaging the banking sector and its huge taxpayers' investment, where next for Ed Miliband?
The obvious next sector for him to try to wreck is supermarkets. In fact he'd hardly need to change this morning's speech, the same ignorant platitudes would do fine.
You read it first here.
He'll be able to combine it actually, tesco are launching current accounts this year.
"Partly because of the fleeting success of Miliband’s cost of living speech at Labour conference, the full enormity of the shift in the terms of the political debate over the last 12 months has not yet registered within Labour’s ranks. Perhaps it never will. But this time last year Labour was still putting up a fight on the economy. Now they are meekly waving the white flag."
So, after inflicing serious damage on the energy industry and power-generation investment, having a go at housebuilders, and now apparently deliberately damaging the banking sector and its huge taxpayers' investment, where next for Ed Miliband?
The obvious next sector for him to try to wreck is supermarkets. In fact he'd hardly need to change this morning's speech, the same ignorant platitudes would do fine.
You read it first here.
He'll be able to combine it actually, tesco are launching current accounts this year.
Force supermarkets to sell branches to Romanian immigrants to run as corner-shops?
Because in the past, it hasn't been a good indicator.
Hmm that doesn't seem to make sense to me.. But it is what it is
Surely not prompting for UKIP is as old fashioned and crazy as opposing gay marriage?!
Ukip the Alan Turing of VI polls?!
Surely not prompting for UKIP means all the polls are skewed to depress the UKIP percentage. It's as if Populus and Ipsos-Mori wished they didn't exist and can get back to - to them - sensible 3 party polling.
I believe both these pollsters will suffer in the end by falling flat on their proverbial faces, as the real polling results come in. Of course they may change their methodology by then as they realise they are going to suffer a big hit.
Because in the past, it hasn't been a good indicator.
Hmm that doesn't seem to make sense to me.. But it is what it is
Surely not prompting for UKIP is as old fashioned and crazy as opposing gay marriage?!
Ukip the Alan Turing of VI polls?!
Surely not prompting for UKIP means all the polls are skewed to depress the UKIP percentage. It's as if Populus and Ipsos-Mori wished they didn't exist and can get back to - to them - sensible 3 party polling.
I believe both these pollsters will suffer in the end by falling flat on their proverbial faces, as the real polling results come in. Of course they may change their methodology by then as they realise they are going to suffer a big hit.
You keep on ignoring the fact, the most accurate pollster in the locals last year, was ComRes who didn't prompt for UKIP.
Clearly when only two banks control 46% of the current account market something is amiss.....which two banks would those be then, and how did we get where we are?
So, after inflicing serious damage on the energy industry and power-generation investment, having a go at housebuilders, and now apparently deliberately damaging the banking sector and its huge taxpayers' investment, where next for Ed Miliband?
The obvious next sector for him to try to wreck is supermarkets. In fact he'd hardly need to change this morning's speech, the same ignorant platitudes would do fine.
You read it first here.
He'll be able to combine it actually, tesco are launching current accounts this year.
Force supermarkets to sell branches to Romanian immigrants to run as corner-shops?
If they force Waitrose to sell my local store to Aldi or Lidl, I'll be really angry.
And I'm a fan of a Lidl and Aldi as it keeps the plebian riff raff out of my Waitrose.
Oh what complete bollocks from @Torytreasury Lloyds has been on a big upswing recently. A penny dropped off the value today, in the scheme of things a billion £ swing in market cap is neither here nor there. Doubt it has anything to do with Ed Miliband. When it goes up tommorow are they going to claim it wos Osborne wot done it ?
Complete crap and horseshit.
True but imagine the fear from the inept tory spinners as they slowly begin to realise there is no policy on which a desperate Cammie and Osbrowne won't try to triangulate that makes a gullible fool of them later on. The same out of touch twits who were ranting in such a deranged manner against the Energy price freeze were completely clueless that Cammie had postured on forcing the energy companies to lower prices even before little Ed did. Or indeed that the public didn't share their hysterical spin of that as the polling showed.
Not that little Ed's bank posturing is particularly convincing but it's still a damn sight more convincing than the out of touch tory spinners who somehow don't realise the banks are hardly viewed any more favourably by the public than the Energy companies.
I expect the Labour lead will fluctuate for throughout the year but with a general downward trend. That said, nothing’s guaranteed. The Conservative leadership appear to keep making similar mistakes:
(1) Underestimating Ed Miliband and relying on the “Ed is crap” fallacy (he isn’t) (2) Failing to take the initiative – the Tories are giving an impression they just respond to opposition initiatives (banks, energy firms, minimum wage) Voters are picking up on this. (3) No “big idea” other than ‘balance the books’ – related to (2) everyone knows the Tories are cutting the deficit, reforming welfare and having a go at bringing immigration under control. However, since the failure of the ‘Big Society’ they have struggled to articulate a new vision that resonates (4) Taking its support base for granted – the Conservative leadership need to not just stop insulting UKIP, and send out the odd whizzy email on its progress to lapsed members/supporters. There needs to be a concerted effort to actively charm its base. It’s a heady mix of complacency, ostrichism, arrogance, confused messages and blind hope.
The Conservative leadership needs to show some leadership and humility and engage on all these points. I’m still not feeling it. The Tories should never have lost people like Sean Fear and myself as members.
My money is still on a (much weaker) coalition being elected in 2015. However, I think it’ll be solidly booted out in 2020. Why? Because I think the only reason voters will reelect the coalition is simply because they have little faith in Ed Miliband and Labour’s ability to cut the deficit. However, as soon as this is done the Tories will go bye-bye. It could then be a question of whether they ever come close to power ever again – at least under FPTP.
Libs clearly benefitting from Rennard revelations...
That is a puzzle. Perhaps there is an assumption out there that this sort of thing is standard stuff in Westminster and it's good to see the Lib Dems taking it seriously (okay we can argue whether they actually have taken it seriously enough, but it's all about perception). It may be that to get the full benefit though, Rennard will now have to be publicly flogged by the Party. Has Clegg got the stomach to do it?
Libs clearly benefitting from Rennard revelations...
That is a puzzle. Perhaps there is an assumption out there that this sort of thing is standard stuff in Westminster and it's good to see the Lib Dems taking it seriously (okay we can argue whether they actually have taken it seriously enough, but it's all about perception). It may be that to get the full benefit though, Rennard will now have to be publicly flogged by the Party. Has Clegg got the stomach to do it?
It's random variance/anger at them fading. I bet you no more than 10% of people would be able to tell you anything about the Rennard developments this week even if prompted.
The politics of Ed Miliband's series of wrecking-ball policy announcements are very interesting. If you believe the polls, he is in a leading position, and could afford a little swingback to the Tories and still get a comfortable majority. It would have to be quite a big swingback to keep him out of No 10. Therefore, you'd expect his strategy to be one of not frightening the horses too much, by keeping things vague so that Labour and especially ex-LibDem voters get a warm cuddly feeling whilst at the same time not offering much specific ammunition to his opponents.
Instead he has engaged on a striking series of initiatives which, if you are a supporter, you would call 'innovative and bold', but which anyone else would call 'irresponsible and reckless'.
So why isn't he playing safe? Two possibilities come to mind:
(1) He thinks he's going to lose badly, unless he shakes things up with populist banker-bashing and other such nonsense which he (surely?) must know are nonsense.
(2) He actually believes all the nonsense.
It seems to me that (2) is the more likely explanation.
I see the usual lot are on here bemoaning Ed's speech on banking. I've not seen the speech and I have reservations about Ed (less moral indignation and more common sense would be nice - though perhaps that would make it more diificult to cut through the media?) however try reading Philip Stephens ft column on banks yesterday - he being a broadly pro-market commentator. It beggars belief that some think banking business as usual is going to appeal to the electorate.
So why isn't he playing safe? Two possibilities come to mind:
(1) He thinks he's going to lose badly, unless he shakes things up with populist banker-bashing and other such nonsense which he (surely?) must know are nonsense.
(2) He actually believes all the nonsense.
It seems to me that (2) is the more likely explanation.
Indeed. Bear in mind this in an alumnus of Corpus we are talking about.
Chance of Tory vote lead: 0% Chance of a Tory seat lead: 0%
Chance of a Hung Parliament: 13.3% Chance of a Tory majority: 0% Chance of a Labour majority: 86.7% Chance of a polling crossover goalpost movement: 100%
Wasn't Ed supposed to have been bundled into a passing car by now?
Yet 17 months out from an election Ed commands a 9 point lead in a very different parliament to those that have come before.
More to the point has Hodges got anything right in his mnomaniacal crusade against Miliband Junior?
He always puts the mockers on the Tory Party in the polls. The Labour lead falls to 3-4%, he predicts crossover and then it shoots back up. Oh, and don't mention his marginal poll, it's been wiped from history.
PM Miliband would need a new Bank of England governor:
It wouldn't entirely surprise me if a Miliband victory was followed quickly by Carney's resignation.
Carney's only agreed to be here for 5 years, no? Certainly uncertainty about the BoE will not be helpful particularly if Labour decided to relax the requirements on inflation or impose other requirements or, in effect, seek to reverse the BoE's independence. Uncertainty like that could have very real world effects on inflation, interest and mortgage rates.
As for breaking banks up: banks will be delighted to get rid of the loss-making or least profitable parts of their business. They will close or sell branches in inconvenient or out of the way locations - cue for cries of pain from locals and their MPs about this; they will get rid of unprofitable customers - cue for more cries of pain from those unable to access basic bank accounts; they will try and abolish free banking - cue even more cries of pain.
Quite who is going to buy all the bits which will be sold is another question. Banks are currently retrenching on all fronts, across Europe and elsewhere. There will be more sellers than buyers in the UK market.
I'm all in favour of a reorganised banking system, one better and more honest and more effective than the one we've had for too long - but my concern is that these proposals and Labour's approach to the issue is ill-thought out and will have all sorts of unintended consequences likely to harm those Labour want to try and help.
It's not the aim I have an issue with. It's the apparent lack of thought about what is really wrong and how best to correct it that's the issue, as it is with most of Labour's policies, frankly.
I think it is becoming clear Ed has some political skills. He is going to push populist lefty insanity to win the GE and be a catastrophic clusterfu<k of a PM after that.
The politics of Ed Miliband's series of wrecking-ball policy announcements are very interesting. If you believe the polls, he is in a leading position, and could afford a little swingback to the Tories and still get a comfortable majority. It would have to be quite a big swingback to keep him out of No 10. Therefore, you'd expect his strategy to be one of not frightening the horses too much, by keeping things vague so that Labour and especially ex-LibDem voters get a warm cuddly feeling whilst at the same time not offering much specific ammunition to his opponents.
Instead he has engaged on a striking series of initiatives which, if you are a supporter, you would call 'innovative and bold', but which anyone else would call 'irresponsible and reckless'.
So why isn't he playing safe? Two possibilities come to mind:
(1) He thinks he's going to lose badly, unless he shakes things up with populist banker-bashing and other such nonsense which he (surely?) must know are nonsense.
(2) He actually believes all the nonsense.
It seems to me that (2) is the more likely explanation.
I think he believes it, but he also knows he needs to generally keep his mouth shut to have best chance.
So the strategy is to announce something totally half baked but which if shaped right could have half a semblance of a decent policy in there somewhere.
The Conservatives announce something or other on said subject and it looks like Ed is steering the narrative.
Luckily for Ed he's got a lead in the polls and doesn't even need one to win.
The Tory "welfare, Europe 'n foreigners" line isn't working.
I think they should relax the rhetoric in these areas - which it is clear is not attracting new voters - and continue to go hard on the economy (in the hope the current upswing lasts - I have my doubts).
Move back to the centre in other words.
The Tories are now so unpalatable in most parts of the UK they're unelectable.
I'm pretty sure the Bank of England has enough smart people inside it to come up with a system where banks aren't allowed to just remove their weakest customers. For all everyone is bashing Miliband for this, it is something that is done in the United States. It's also worth bearing in mind that Carney said it wouldn't "necessarily" mean improved competition, but that doesn't mean it couldn't, if done right.
No punchline. Personally I think the polls between elections are a bit of a sentiment indicator, and its a horrible sh*t January. But that's only worth a couple of percentage points. Ed is horribly, disastrously, pitifully wrong, but he's ahead.
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That's what the debate should be about: how Britain makes its way in the future. How we compete. How we ensure our children are well educated and prepared for a fight for jobs in an increasingly tough world market. How our economy stays lean and our spending sustainable. How we adjust to living without spending money we haven't earned yet.
It's what politicians and thinkers on all sides should be concentrating on.
The trouble is, Ed Miliband and Ed Balls were part of the Gordon Brown team who claimed an end to boom and bust. They allowed living standards to soar on borrowed money (and boasted about it) and deliberately set the public sector to grow - and enjoy year after year pay rises in return for little or no improvements in efficiency - grossly out of proportion to the private sector. And, most distastefully of all, they issued growth predictions to justify the spending, which were based on fiction. Essentially, they allowed themselves to believe that they had ended boom and bust.
I am willing to let bygones be bygones, and I fully understand the need for an active public sector and the need to help the poor. But until Ed Miliband and Ed Balls admit their direct hand in the creation of a huge deficit and spiralling debt, I am not willing to trust their judgement on the big economic ideas.
And I suspect a lot of voters out there think the same way as me.
Having said that - sadly - I also suspect Ed Miliband will get to power. And I fear what will happen after that. Not for me, but for my children.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25774084
One hopes any new team is rather quicker to get up to speed than the current backmarkers (who really need to start challenging for points).
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/west-ham-v-newcastle/correct-score
Can't see why that isn't a good indicator?
Don't tell me you're skeptical about the findings of this poll......?????
It's a bit depressing if you're a tory. The government is getting diddly squat from the economic revival, lets be honest.
There are dozens of things that, if I were asked, I would either favour or not, but that don't really concern me and this is one of them I guess
Surely not prompting for UKIP is as old fashioned and crazy as opposing gay marriage?!
Ukip the Alan Turing of VI polls?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_hfQU-4r0
Or not.
Good to see Osbrowne has put all the policy wonk political positioning behind him though.
*chortle*
At the moment, the Lib Dem bar changes height when you switch between the Ipsos-Mori and Populus polls, although they are at 13% in both, and the Con bar is smaller when they have 33% with Populus rather than 30% with Survation. These counter-intuitive differences occur because the range of the y-axis is currently set to be equal to the largest vote share, and so is not constant.
It is quite confusing.
Absolutely fair point, but here's the thing.
What do you think would have happened if Osborne had been a true blue deficit reducer all along???
What would have happened if he had said, as a tory should, I don;t care how prosperous you feel, its all built on debt and there will be a huge reckoning.
Is a wrong assumption to assume that the Kippers are all disgruntled Tories.
Just imagine !
Jan 2013: Con 33%, Lab 38%, LD 15%, UKIP 6%
Jan 2014: Con 32%, Lab 35%, LD 14%, UKIP 10%
As do the 2012 vs 2013 local election results.
http://www.markpack.org.uk/47012/how-ukip-is-damaging-labour-reprised/
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-youre-the-father-of-one-of-my-children-at-school-says-maths-teacher-to-mayors-daughter-9067037.html
Surely the default should be to allow equality?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/matthewholehouse/100255311/westminster-correspondents-dinner-comedy-dave-roasts-boris/
Some crackers..
(Central forecast)
Con vote lead 7.8%
Con seat lead 65 seats
(10000 Monte Carlo simulations)
Chance of Tory vote lead: 100.0%
Chance of a Tory seat lead: 98.6%
Chance of a Hung Parliament: 54.2%
Chance of a Tory majority: 45.8%
Chance of a Labour majority: 0.0%
A slight strengthening of the Tory position from last month, probably just MOE, although chance of a Tory majority now at its highest since January 2012...
In 1990, the Human Genome Project believed it would cost $3 billion and take 15 years to sequence the human genome.
In 1998, Ventor believed it would cost $300 million, and could be done in five years.
Now, we have machines that can sequence the maps of 1,800 individuals a year, at a cost of $1,000 per sample.
Whilst these are not quite analogous, I can't think of another area of technology that has seen this sort of growth. It is truly amazing.
But the Tories desperately need to get back voters they have lost to UKIP - they can't win unless they do. Labour, on the other hand, remains in a winning position despite losing votes to UKIP - it cannot afford to be complacent but it's position is not as dire as the Tories.
I think he meant we would all get a Rechnung.
The Tory message at the next election is going to be "Don't let Labour wreck it"
Labour's message is now "We are committed to wrecking it"
@BBCNormanS: The choice at next election on the economy is between "a big reckoning or steady as she goes" says @Ed_Miliband
@ToryTreasury: Ed Miliband's policy wiped £1bn off RBS & Lloyds shares this morning -a loss for taxpayers. Chuka: price worth paying http://t.co/ZEJ2oHfgDi
No internal M&A between banks under next Labour government. True restrictive practices! George Orwell will be smiling from under the daisies
Well, I worry about all those things. And I worry that a Labour government would make them all worse for me and for my children.
Complete crap and horseshit.
The obvious next sector for him to try to wreck is supermarkets. In fact he'd hardly need to change this morning's speech, the same ignorant platitudes would do fine.
You read it first here.
To claim a 0.82 penny drop is as a result of what Mr Miliband is saying is laughable.
I'm against it without being passionately bothered about stopping it, so what?
"Partly because of the fleeting success of Miliband’s cost of living speech at Labour conference, the full enormity of the shift in the terms of the political debate over the last 12 months has not yet registered within Labour’s ranks. Perhaps it never will. But this time last year Labour was still putting up a fight on the economy. Now they are meekly waving the white flag."
Having to defend this lunacy while Miliband gets the Occupy tendency worship....
Poor s8d
Ends up on top of the bill with Ed M, sharing Guido's caption contest.
http://order-order.com/2014/01/17/friday-caption-contest-weird-dudes-edition/
Balls lies to #WATO "I have complete confidence in Ed Miliband as leader of the Labour Party".
It's as if Populus and Ipsos-Mori wished they didn't exist and can get back to - to them - sensible 3 party polling.
I believe both these pollsters will suffer in the end by falling flat on their proverbial faces, as the real polling results come in. Of course they may change their methodology by then as they realise they are going to suffer a big hit.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100255229/ed-milibands-promised-break-up-of-rbs-and-lloyds-puts-mark-carney-on-notice/
Survation did, and weren't the most accurate.
And I'm a fan of a Lidl and Aldi as it keeps the plebian riff raff out of my Waitrose.
It wouldn't entirely surprise me if a Miliband victory was followed quickly by Carney's resignation.
Or indeed that the public didn't share their hysterical spin of that as the polling showed.
Not that little Ed's bank posturing is particularly convincing but it's still a damn sight more convincing than the out of touch tory spinners who somehow don't realise the banks are hardly viewed any more favourably by the public than the Energy companies.
(1) Underestimating Ed Miliband and relying on the “Ed is crap” fallacy (he isn’t)
(2) Failing to take the initiative – the Tories are giving an impression they just respond to opposition initiatives (banks, energy firms, minimum wage) Voters are picking up on this.
(3) No “big idea” other than ‘balance the books’ – related to (2) everyone knows the Tories are cutting the deficit, reforming welfare and having a go at bringing immigration under control. However, since the failure of the ‘Big Society’ they have struggled to articulate a new vision that resonates
(4) Taking its support base for granted – the Conservative leadership need to not just stop insulting UKIP, and send out the odd whizzy email on its progress to lapsed members/supporters. There needs to be a concerted effort to actively charm its base.
It’s a heady mix of complacency, ostrichism, arrogance, confused messages and blind hope.
The Conservative leadership needs to show some leadership and humility and engage on all these points. I’m still not feeling it. The Tories should never have lost people like Sean Fear and myself as members.
My money is still on a (much weaker) coalition being elected in 2015. However, I think it’ll be solidly booted out in 2020. Why? Because I think the only reason voters will reelect the coalition is simply because they have little faith in Ed Miliband and Labour’s ability to cut the deficit. However, as soon as this is done the Tories will go bye-bye. It could then be a question of whether they ever come close to power ever again – at least under FPTP.
Still, you have to admire Balls' sheer arrogance. It's supposed to be the leader who has confidence in his Shadow Chancellor, not the other way round.
I guess it conceivable the Miliband effect could start to hurt the recovery well before the election.
Investment and hiring decisions might well get postponed, and people might curb spending.
Instead he has engaged on a striking series of initiatives which, if you are a supporter, you would call 'innovative and bold', but which anyone else would call 'irresponsible and reckless'.
So why isn't he playing safe? Two possibilities come to mind:
(1) He thinks he's going to lose badly, unless he shakes things up with populist banker-bashing and other such nonsense which he (surely?) must know are nonsense.
(2) He actually believes all the nonsense.
It seems to me that (2) is the more likely explanation.
What is the cause of this miraculous recovery ?
Wasn't Ed supposed to have been bundled into a passing car by now?
Yet 17 months out from an election Ed commands a 9 point lead in a very different parliament to those that have come before.
More to the point has Hodges got anything right in his mnomaniacal crusade against Miliband Junior?
(Peruvian horse-drawn carriage forecast)
Con vote lead 0%
Con seat lead Nil
(10000 Guatemalan simulations)
Chance of Tory vote lead: 0%
Chance of a Tory seat lead: 0%
Chance of a Hung Parliament: 13.3%
Chance of a Tory majority: 0%
Chance of a Labour majority: 86.7%
Chance of a polling crossover goalpost movement: 100%
Dan Hodges = Avery LP = Constant polling crossover goalpost movers
As for breaking banks up: banks will be delighted to get rid of the loss-making or least profitable parts of their business. They will close or sell branches in inconvenient or out of the way locations - cue for cries of pain from locals and their MPs about this; they will get rid of unprofitable customers - cue for more cries of pain from those unable to access basic bank accounts; they will try and abolish free banking - cue even more cries of pain.
Quite who is going to buy all the bits which will be sold is another question. Banks are currently retrenching on all fronts, across Europe and elsewhere. There will be more sellers than buyers in the UK market.
I'm all in favour of a reorganised banking system, one better and more honest and more effective than the one we've had for too long - but my concern is that these proposals and Labour's approach to the issue is ill-thought out and will have all sorts of unintended consequences likely to harm those Labour want to try and help.
It's not the aim I have an issue with. It's the apparent lack of thought about what is really wrong and how best to correct it that's the issue, as it is with most of Labour's policies, frankly.
So the strategy is to announce something totally half baked but which if shaped right could have half a semblance of a decent policy in there somewhere.
The Conservatives announce something or other on said subject and it looks like Ed is steering the narrative.
Luckily for Ed he's got a lead in the polls and doesn't even need one to win.
Time to put the house on Yes ?
I think they should relax the rhetoric in these areas - which it is clear is not attracting new voters - and continue to go hard on the economy (in the hope the current upswing lasts - I have my doubts).
Move back to the centre in other words.
The Tories are now so unpalatable in most parts of the UK they're unelectable.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25771651
Anyone know what the average RTP is on bingo ?
Far worse than FOBTs I'd have thought. As bad as a fruit machine ?!
I'm pretty sure the Bank of England has enough smart people inside it to come up with a system where banks aren't allowed to just remove their weakest customers. For all everyone is bashing Miliband for this, it is something that is done in the United States. It's also worth bearing in mind that Carney said it wouldn't "necessarily" mean improved competition, but that doesn't mean it couldn't, if done right.
No punchline. Personally I think the polls between elections are a bit of a sentiment indicator, and its a horrible sh*t January. But that's only worth a couple of percentage points. Ed is horribly, disastrously, pitifully wrong, but he's ahead.
No point denying it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/putin-gays-must-leave-children-in-peace/2014/01/17/31140ae8-7f7c-11e3-97d3-b9925ce2c57b_story.html