The French election: Mélenchon to make the runoff looks a value bet – politicalbetting.com
The French election: Mélenchon to make the runoff looks a value bet – politicalbetting.com
All he needs to do is to make Jadot a nice offer and he will be in strong running. On the assumption he accrues all the Jadot voteshare (and none of anyone else’s, such as Poutou’s), he will be 5% ahead of 3rd-placed Le Pen (Ipsos), 0.5% behind her and 2.5% ahead of 4th-placed Pécresse (Ifop), and 2% behind her and 3% ahead of Pécresse (OpinionWay). Zemmour and Pécresse would be out of the running, going by all three polls.
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Not first. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
To be fair, he’s be unlikely to win the runoff if he made it.1 -
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
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I think the purpose of the bet is that he sneaks down the middle as Le Pen, Zemmour and Pécresse steal just enough votes off each other to know them into 3-5 places.tlg86 said:Not first. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
To be fair, he’s be unlikely to win the runoff if he made it.1 -
Does my writing a comment cause a new thread to spawn automatically now?8
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If the world or at least Europe gets to the French Presidential election i will not care who wins but be surprised1
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Fair Point. OTOH no point in incinerating us then.IanB2 said:
From Dorset, civilisation will be well over the horizonBenpointer said:
Still not completely dark in Dorset at 18:26.turbotubbs said:
Must be cloudier here as it’s pretty dark, but I agree with the sentiment.ydoethur said:It's nice that it's 18.07 and still fairly light.
I hope that will help improve everyone's mood as things go on. This has been a very tough winter.
(I'm hoping that glow on the horizon signals the dying sun, not the dying civilisation.
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NEW THREAD!mwadams said:Does my writing a comment cause a new thread to spawn automatically now?
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Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
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It does not sound good if the Israeli PM meets Putin then tells Israelis to leave.
Hopefully we are not getting to the stage of hearing our leaders (cowardly) going to undisclosed locations1 -
My irony meter just died.
(Reuters) - Russia's foreign ministry called on European Union and NATO countries to "stop pumping weapons" to Ukraine -RIA
It said Moscow was particularly worried that portable anti-aerial Stinger missiles could end up in the hands of terrorists, posing a threat to airlines.
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1500173979893608450
Some of us remember MH17.
But I take this to mean the war situation has developed not necessarily to Russia's advantage.14 -
Incidentally - from the last thread "As for Aber, its history degree (such as it is) is now offered via Interpol"ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Now I have visions of History being taught at Aberdeen by Reinhard Heydrich.....0 -
I reckon we are both good places to be, given prevailing SW windsBenpointer said:FPT:
Fair Point. OTOH no point in incinerating us then.IanB2 said:
From Dorset, civilisation will be well over the horizonBenpointer said:
Still not completely dark in Dorset at 18:26.turbotubbs said:
Must be cloudier here as it’s pretty dark, but I agree with the sentiment.ydoethur said:It's nice that it's 18.07 and still fairly light.
I hope that will help improve everyone's mood as things go on. This has been a very tough winter.
(I'm hoping that glow on the horizon signals the dying sun, not the dying civilisation.0 -
I wonder if they teach about Operation Anthropoid?Malmesbury said:
Incidentally - from the last thread "As for Aber, its history degree (such as it is) is now offered via Interpol"ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Now I have visions of History being taught at Aberdeen by Reinhard Heydrich.....0 -
It is worth noting that every single attack on a civil aircraft by people using MANPADS (and there have been quite a few) has been with Russian weapons or Chinese copies.TheScreamingEagles said:My irony meter just died.
(Reuters) - Russia's foreign ministry called on European Union and NATO countries to "stop pumping weapons" to Ukraine -RIA
It said Moscow was particularly worried that portable anti-aerial Stinger missiles could end up in the hands of terrorists, posing a threat to airlines.
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1500173979893608450
Some of us remember MH17.
But I take this to mean the war situation has developed not necessarily to Russia's advantage.0 -
I think he might be there to give advice on how to run an occupation. Another sign of Putin's cluelessness. Evidence of this rather mounting now.state_go_away said:It does not sound good if the Israeli PM meets Putin then tells Israelis to leave.
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For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping0
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Interpol means the Department of International Politics.Malmesbury said:
Incidentally - from the last thread "As for Aber, its history degree (such as it is) is now offered via Interpol"ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Now I have visions of History being taught at Aberdeen by Reinhard Heydrich.....
HYUFD seems to think that anything with the name Department in it means it's a department when the important thing to check is who is in charge of the Department and there is (as far as I can see) a distinct lack of a named Head of Department for history there0 -
Isn’t the irony that Russia is doing more than anyone to pump Ukraine full of weapons?TheScreamingEagles said:My irony meter just died.
(Reuters) - Russia's foreign ministry called on European Union and NATO countries to "stop pumping weapons" to Ukraine -RIA
It said Moscow was particularly worried that portable anti-aerial Stinger missiles could end up in the hands of terrorists, posing a threat to airlines.
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1500173979893608450
Some of us remember MH17.
But I take this to mean the war situation has developed not necessarily to Russia's advantage.3 -
Well, "Teaching history from the personal point of view"* would be covered.TheScreamingEagles said:
I wonder if they teach about Operation Anthropoid?Malmesbury said:
Incidentally - from the last thread "As for Aber, its history degree (such as it is) is now offered via Interpol"ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Now I have visions of History being taught at Aberdeen by Reinhard Heydrich.....
*My youngest really likes the whole get immersed-and-see-it-from-the-personal-point-of-view thing.0 -
Well, there are still some medievalists there - Bjorn Weiler and Phillipp Schofield (not *that* Phillipp Schofield). And they have I believe just appointed a new German studies lecturer after the last one went out with a bang during the merger by effectively telling the management they were a bunch of retards. To their faces. In his interview...he always was a legend, but even more so after that.Malmesbury said:
Incidentally - from the last thread "As for Aber, its history degree (such as it is) is now offered via Interpol"ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Now I have visions of History being taught at Aberdeen by Reinhard Heydrich.....
But it's been badly hit by being subsumed. Numbers have cratered and student satisfaction has dropped off a cliff.
Which is a shame, as it was quite a good history department (and I don't say that just because I taught there for three years). Unfortunately when it needed help it didn't have any powerful friends in the hierarchy and had made rather too many powerful enemies.
What we're seeing at Aber though is being replicated in many unis elsewhere. The new A-level is largely to blame, but the atrocious quality of the GCSE course doesn't help.
Both of those are unfortunate as it didn't have to be that way. The ideas had potential, if they had listened to the experts on practicalities.
Unfortunately, this is a government that likes plausible, arrogant and rather stupid liars. Not experts. And it shows in more fields than education.0 -
How the heck can we deescalate? If you think Putin is mad enough to launch nuclear weapons (esp. outside Ukraine), then we might as well let him roll over the entirety of eastern Europe. And even then, he'd find some grievance to go further.state_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
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I recall a brilliant skit from Chris Rock - his friends are giving him stick for livening in a Jewish neighbourhood. He points out - "These guys - they have a really good sense for when it's time to get the fuck out of town".state_go_away said:It does not sound good if the Israeli PM meets Putin then tells Israelis to leave.
Hopefully we are not getting to the stage of hearing our leaders (cowardly) going to undisclosed locations0 -
We are about 31 Kilotons from that state of affairs.TheScreamingEagles said:My irony meter just died.
(Reuters) - Russia's foreign ministry called on European Union and NATO countries to "stop pumping weapons" to Ukraine -RIA
It said Moscow was particularly worried that portable anti-aerial Stinger missiles could end up in the hands of terrorists, posing a threat to airlines.
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1500173979893608450
Some of us remember MH17.
But I take this to mean the war situation has developed not necessarily to Russia's advantage.0 -
Some cats at Anfield tonight.
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Good analysis, Melenchon getting some of Jadot's vote and making the runoff on only 15-16% of the vote is an entirely plausible scenario.
Pécresse has had a complete shocker of a campaign.
That said I think Macron easily beats Melenchon/Le Pen/Pecresse in the runoff by 60-40 and Zemmour by 65-35.0 -
my plan is to survive with my family and with a country to survive in. Thats it - When it comes to it thats what most people want - they do not actually care about the rights and wrongs of Ukraine (30 years ago Ukraine's army would be threatening us as part of the USSR) . i suggest we say there needs to be a negotiation (sod twitter warriors and virtue signallers) and as part of that we are pausing sending in any weapons and further sanctionsJosiasJessop said:
How the heck can we deescalate? If you think Putin is mad enough to launch nuclear weapons (esp. outside Ukraine), then we might as well let him roll over the entirety of eastern Europe. And even then, he'd find some grievance to go further.state_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
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Hope so. Excellent evening, great to meet all the PBers I did meet.tlg86 said:0 -
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I think his plan is that NATO countries replace their armed forces with a recorded message saying "We surrender" in Russian.JosiasJessop said:
How the heck can we deescalate? If you think Putin is mad enough to launch nuclear weapons (esp. outside Ukraine), then we might as well let him roll over the entirety of eastern Europe. And even then, he'd find some grievance to go further.state_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
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Why do you want to censor our media and play into Putin handsstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
We have to stand strong with Ukraine and all NATO states and not role over to a war criminal
I am very pleased with the measures the UK - EU - US - NATO are taking and it is time we came in behind them all
Each has had an important input to this crisis and I hope that finally this will bring us all together in unity
It is also time to stop UK - good EU - bad and vice versa as it is simply divisive and plays into Putin's agenda1 -
"But Tsar Alexander made it all the way to Paris!" - Stalin after the capture of Berlin in 1945.JosiasJessop said:
How the heck can we deescalate? If you think Putin is mad enough to launch nuclear weapons (esp. outside Ukraine), then we might as well let him roll over the entirety of eastern Europe. And even then, he'd find some grievance to go further.state_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
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I would say Marxists are more guilty of that than Conservatives.ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
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Interesting - my eldest is doing history GCSE and is actually learning history. Mind you, it is a private school..... We were discussing Hungary '56 and Czech '68 and she was coming up with parallels with Ukraine and why Putin wants to dominate the place - that was her, not from me.ydoethur said:
Well, there are still some medievalists there - Bjorn Weiler and Phillipp Schofield (not *that* Phillipp Schofield). And they have I believe just appointed a new German studies lecturer after the last one went out with a bang during the merger by effectively telling the management they were a bunch of retards. To their faces. In his interview...he always was a legend, but even more so after that.Malmesbury said:
Incidentally - from the last thread "As for Aber, its history degree (such as it is) is now offered via Interpol"ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Now I have visions of History being taught at Aberdeen by Reinhard Heydrich.....
But it's been badly hit by being subsumed. Numbers have cratered and student satisfaction has dropped off a cliff.
Which is a shame, as it was quite a good history department (and I don't say that just because I taught there for three years). Unfortunately when it needed help it didn't have any powerful friends in the hierarchy and had made rather too many powerful enemies.
What we're seeing at Aber though is being replicated in many unis elsewhere. The new A-level is largely to blame, but the atrocious quality of the GCSE course doesn't help.
Both of those are unfortunate as it didn't have to be that way. The ideas had potential, if they had listened to the experts on practicalities.
Unfortunately, this is a government that likes plausible, arrogant and rather stupid liars. Not experts. And it shows in more fields than education.
That seemed way better than the history that was shovelled at me back in the mid 80s...1 -
It was great to meet you, even if your attire was not as advertised.Peter_the_Punter said:
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Shows how quickly things move on. It took a lot of googling to work out what that’s about!TheScreamingEagles said:Some cats at Anfield tonight.
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well I fundamentally disagree- Please get it into your heads (those that want to pursue this war) that you can not always win or good will always win. This is a situation where if Russia loses the world is on the brink - It needs (and Putin because he will not get toppled) a face saver . one can be done ,always one can be done but you have to try. All wars end at some point , the earlier the better especially in this case for EVERYONEBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why do you want to censor our media and play into Putin handsstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
We have to stand strong with Ukraine and all NATO states and not role over to a war criminal
I am very pleased with the measures the UK - EU - US - NATO are taking and it is time we came in behind them all
Each has had an important input to this crisis and I hope that finally this will bring us all together in unity
It is also time to stop UK - good EU - bad and vice versa as it is simply divisive and plays into Putin's agenda0 -
Yes, but that's hardly helpful. 'Zahawi orders no teaching of political views, but that's OK as Lenin and Stalin had their critics shot' doesn't really help. In fact, if that's the only comparison that favours the Tories we're in an even bigger mess than I realised.Fishing said:
I would say Marxists are more guilty of that than Conservatives.ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
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Significance of cats in this context?TheScreamingEagles said:
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Ah, they say. But ours don't actually work, so they are quite safe from terrorists.tlg86 said:
Isn’t the irony that Russia is doing more than anyone to pump Ukraine full of weapons?TheScreamingEagles said:My irony meter just died.
(Reuters) - Russia's foreign ministry called on European Union and NATO countries to "stop pumping weapons" to Ukraine -RIA
It said Moscow was particularly worried that portable anti-aerial Stinger missiles could end up in the hands of terrorists, posing a threat to airlines.
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1500173979893608450
Some of us remember MH17.
But I take this to mean the war situation has developed not necessarily to Russia's advantage.1 -
It is possible Melenchon could get to the runoff if all the leftwing vote largely unites behind him while the rightwing vote remains split between Zemmour, Le Pen and Pecresse.
However Macron would like crush Melenchon in the runoff. The latest poll from Ipsos has Macron trouncing Melenchon 67% to 33% with most Pecresse voters voting for Macron in that scenario.
That is an even bigger margin than the 66% to 34% Macron beats Zemmour by, the 64% to 36% Macron beats Pecresse by and the 59% to 41% Macron beats Le Pen by
https://twitter.com/PedderSophie/status/1500043703968219138?s=20&t=V6awcI0GHOnhd8dyc7VLww0 -
Kurt Zouma. I’d forgotten all about it, to be honest.IshmaelZ said:3 -
It isn't the content that bothers me. As you say, it's much better. I was delighted when I saw it, thinking this would be a vast improvement on the MWH and SHP bullshit (that genuinely was warmed up Marxist nonsense mostly based on historical research 50 years out of date).Malmesbury said:
Interesting - my eldest is doing history GCSE and is actually learning history. Mind you, it is a private school..... We were discussing Hungary '56 and Czech '68 and she was coming up with parallels with Ukraine and why Putin wants to dominate the place - that was her, not from me.ydoethur said:
Well, there are still some medievalists there - Bjorn Weiler and Phillipp Schofield (not *that* Phillipp Schofield). And they have I believe just appointed a new German studies lecturer after the last one went out with a bang during the merger by effectively telling the management they were a bunch of retards. To their faces. In his interview...he always was a legend, but even more so after that.Malmesbury said:
Incidentally - from the last thread "As for Aber, its history degree (such as it is) is now offered via Interpol"ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Now I have visions of History being taught at Aberdeen by Reinhard Heydrich.....
But it's been badly hit by being subsumed. Numbers have cratered and student satisfaction has dropped off a cliff.
Which is a shame, as it was quite a good history department (and I don't say that just because I taught there for three years). Unfortunately when it needed help it didn't have any powerful friends in the hierarchy and had made rather too many powerful enemies.
What we're seeing at Aber though is being replicated in many unis elsewhere. The new A-level is largely to blame, but the atrocious quality of the GCSE course doesn't help.
Both of those are unfortunate as it didn't have to be that way. The ideas had potential, if they had listened to the experts on practicalities.
Unfortunately, this is a government that likes plausible, arrogant and rather stupid liars. Not experts. And it shows in more fields than education.
That seemed way better than the history that was shovelled at me back in the mid 80s...
The problem is the assessments, which bear even less of a resemblance to good historical practice than Eric Morecambe's piano playing did to the right notes.0 -
That's what you do once you've shipped in at least a 4 weeks worth of the (defensive) weapons we are sending them.state_go_away said:
my plan is to survive with my family and with a country to survive in. Thats it - When it comes to it thats what most people want - they do not actually care about the rights and wrongs of Ukraine (30 years ago Ukraine's army would be threatening us as part of the USSR) . i suggest we say there needs to be a negotiation (sod twitter warriors and virtue signallers) and as part of that we are pausing sending in any weapons and further sanctionsJosiasJessop said:
How the heck can we deescalate? If you think Putin is mad enough to launch nuclear weapons (esp. outside Ukraine), then we might as well let him roll over the entirety of eastern Europe. And even then, he'd find some grievance to go further.state_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
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The West Ham player Kurt Zouma was recently videoed kicking cats.IshmaelZ said:0 -
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
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Apparently a plane flew a message over the ground - 'Cats Lives Matter'.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
OMG
This banner was flown over Anfield a few minutes ago.
https://www.goal.com/en/news/cats-lives-matter-zouma-liverpool/blt3dc138509580e45e
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The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
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Thank you.eek said:
Interpol means the Department of International Politics.Malmesbury said:
Incidentally - from the last thread "As for Aber, its history degree (such as it is) is now offered via Interpol"ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Now I have visions of History being taught at Aberdeen by Reinhard Heydrich.....
HYUFD seems to think that anything with the name Department in it means it's a department when the important thing to check is who is in charge of the Department and there is (as far as I can see) a distinct lack of a named Head of Department for history there
And in the interests of education....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cAZZR_Jki0
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Exactly. Too many people have been watching movies. What do you think happens to someone in the Russian military who refuses a direct order from Putin? Clue: it’s not a referral to HRstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
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You do not win by rolling over to a bullystate_go_away said:
well I fundamentally disagree- Please get it into your heads (those that want to pursue this war) that you can not always win or good will always win. This is a situation where if Russia loses the world is on the brink - It needs (and Putin because he will not get toppled) a face saver . one can be done ,always one can be done but you have to try. All wars end at some point , the earlier the better especially in this case for EVERYONEBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why do you want to censor our media and play into Putin handsstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
We have to stand strong with Ukraine and all NATO states and not role over to a war criminal
I am very pleased with the measures the UK - EU - US - NATO are taking and it is time we came in behind them all
Each has had an important input to this crisis and I hope that finally this will bring us all together in unity
It is also time to stop UK - good EU - bad and vice versa as it is simply divisive and plays into Putin's agenda
He has to be challenged and made to realise he cannot succeed in his war and the crimes he is committing
Russia cannot win this and the best hope is for an internal coup
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If this government is giving more of our school pupils a ground in factual history and not just Marxist theories all to the good.ydoethur said:
Well, there are still some medievalists there - Bjorn Weiler and Phillipp Schofield (not *that* Phillipp Schofield). And they have I believe just appointed a new German studies lecturer after the last one went out with a bang during the merger by effectively telling the management they were a bunch of retards. To their faces. In his interview...he always was a legend, but even more so after that.Malmesbury said:
Incidentally - from the last thread "As for Aber, its history degree (such as it is) is now offered via Interpol"ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Now I have visions of History being taught at Aberdeen by Reinhard Heydrich.....
But it's been badly hit by being subsumed. Numbers have cratered and student satisfaction has dropped off a cliff.
Which is a shame, as it was quite a good history department (and I don't say that just because I taught there for three years). Unfortunately when it needed help it didn't have any powerful friends in the hierarchy and had made rather too many powerful enemies.
What we're seeing at Aber though is being replicated in many unis elsewhere. The new A-level is largely to blame, but the atrocious quality of the GCSE course doesn't help.
Both of those are unfortunate as it didn't have to be that way. The ideas had potential, if they had listened to the experts on practicalities.
Unfortunately, this is a government that likes plausible, arrogant and rather stupid liars. Not experts. And it shows in more fields than education.
If we have fewer history departments but history departments doing more traditional empirical, research led history that is no bad thing either0 -
Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.2 -
Lol!IshmaelZ said:
It was great to meet you, even if your attire was not as advertised.Peter_the_Punter said:
Nice to meet you too. Sorry about the feather boa - in the wash.
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its stupid as well as against the law- FFS this just inflames home opinion back in Russsiarottenborough said:Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.0 -
FPT
Yes. It must be agony for dual nationality families living in Russia, of which there are many. Can't leave as a family because of visa rules (courtesy of the home office), plus Russians may have difficulties exiting the country anyway. My heart breaks when I think about it.mwadams said:
I don't think so. This is governments warning their citizens to leave Russia before martial law is imposed.MoonRabbit said:
I sense it’s building up to something bigger now. Biden and Boris may be letting allies know they can’t just sit by and watch this massacre they are going to intervene.CarlottaVance said:
The Israel PM must have gotten some bad news from Putin on his trip there...rcs1000 said:
Now... that is interesting.williamglenn said:BREAKING: Israeli Prime Minister Bennett flew to Moscow in secret during Shabbat and is currently meeting with Russian President Putin.
https://twitter.com/avimayer/status/1500150119173443584
That suggests that the Russians would like to talk about how to end the war.
Update: The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs urges its citizens in Russia to leave the country immediately.
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1500152639304122380
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It's all game theory innit. If we step gingerly back and sue for peace because Vlad has Ther Bomb that encourages North Korea to beef up its army and invade SK knowing SK will receive no international support of any kind because Ther Bomb.state_go_away said:
well I fundamentally disagree- Please get it into your heads (those that want to pursue this war) that you can not always win or good will always win. This is a situation where if Russia loses the world is on the brink - It needs (and Putin because he will not get toppled) a face saver . one can be done ,always one can be done but you have to try. All wars end at some point , the earlier the better especially in this case for EVERYONEBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why do you want to censor our media and play into Putin handsstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
We have to stand strong with Ukraine and all NATO states and not role over to a war criminal
I am very pleased with the measures the UK - EU - US - NATO are taking and it is time we came in behind them all
Each has had an important input to this crisis and I hope that finally this will bring us all together in unity
It is also time to stop UK - good EU - bad and vice versa as it is simply divisive and plays into Putin's agenda
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As Russia has repeatedly said it's not at war, do these count as PoWs or as unregistered aliens?rottenborough said:Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.4 -
Well, I suppose if Putin is arguing they are all one Nation....but it's not a good look.rottenborough said:Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.0 -
I relate to your anxiety but I've made a concerted effort to really think it through and I don't think the risk of nuclear war - although it's not zero - is as big as you are perceiving it.state_go_away said:
well I fundamentally disagree- Please get it into your heads (those that want to pursue this war) that you can not always win or good will always win. This is a situation where if Russia loses the world is on the brink - It needs (and Putin because he will not get toppled) a face saver . one can be done ,always one can be done but you have to try. All wars end at some point , the earlier the better especially in this case for EVERYONEBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why do you want to censor our media and play into Putin handsstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
We have to stand strong with Ukraine and all NATO states and not role over to a war criminal
I am very pleased with the measures the UK - EU - US - NATO are taking and it is time we came in behind them all
Each has had an important input to this crisis and I hope that finally this will bring us all together in unity
It is also time to stop UK - good EU - bad and vice versa as it is simply divisive and plays into Putin's agenda0 -
soundbite stuff and not the real reality of a nuclear filled RussiaBig_G_NorthWales said:
You do not win by rolling over to a bullystate_go_away said:
well I fundamentally disagree- Please get it into your heads (those that want to pursue this war) that you can not always win or good will always win. This is a situation where if Russia loses the world is on the brink - It needs (and Putin because he will not get toppled) a face saver . one can be done ,always one can be done but you have to try. All wars end at some point , the earlier the better especially in this case for EVERYONEBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why do you want to censor our media and play into Putin handsstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
We have to stand strong with Ukraine and all NATO states and not role over to a war criminal
I am very pleased with the measures the UK - EU - US - NATO are taking and it is time we came in behind them all
Each has had an important input to this crisis and I hope that finally this will bring us all together in unity
It is also time to stop UK - good EU - bad and vice versa as it is simply divisive and plays into Putin's agenda
He has to be challenged and made to realise he cannot succeed in his war and the crimes he is committing
Russia cannot win this and the best hope is for an internal coup
Appeasement does not work0 -
So when Putin uses the same threats for his next demand? And his next? When he decides to use nukes anyway, because we've not done everything he wanted?state_go_away said:
my plan is to survive with my family and with a country to survive in. Thats it - When it comes to it thats what most people want - they do not actually care about the rights and wrongs of Ukraine (30 years ago Ukraine's army would be threatening us as part of the USSR) . i suggest we say there needs to be a negotiation (sod twitter warriors and virtue signallers) and as part of that we are pausing sending in any weapons and further sanctionsJosiasJessop said:
How the heck can we deescalate? If you think Putin is mad enough to launch nuclear weapons (esp. outside Ukraine), then we might as well let him roll over the entirety of eastern Europe. And even then, he'd find some grievance to go further.state_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
What is your plan?
We are in a terrible position. Russia and Ukraine are in a worse position. If Putin does decide to use nuclear weapons, it will not be our fault, in any way. It will be his.
And God help us all.1 -
I do like this notion of "factual history" being bandied about. One of the things I find most interesting about aechaeology is how often it demonstrates that the "facts" of "factual history" can't quite be right...1
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Ah thanksTheScreamingEagles said:
The West Ham player Kurt Zouma was recently videoed kicking cats.IshmaelZ said:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P7YR6WICIAIstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
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Surely everyone knows that the only facts that HYUFD cares about are whatever is in today’s missive from Bozo central office.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Thankfully the missives are daily as otherwise he would need to believe multiple different things before lunchtime.3 -
Aber (in general) has been run oddly for a while - I seem to remember they lost a couple of senior compsci types in the early 10s…ydoethur said:
Well, there are still some medievalists there - Bjorn Weiler and Phillipp Schofield (not *that* Phillipp Schofield). And they have I believe just appointed a new German studies lecturer after the last one went out with a bang during the merger by effectively telling the management they were a bunch of retards. To their faces. In his interview...he always was a legend, but even more so after that.Malmesbury said:
Incidentally - from the last thread "As for Aber, its history degree (such as it is) is now offered via Interpol"ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Now I have visions of History being taught at Aberdeen by Reinhard Heydrich.....
But it's been badly hit by being subsumed. Numbers have cratered and student satisfaction has dropped off a cliff.
Which is a shame, as it was quite a good history department (and I don't say that just because I taught there for three years). Unfortunately when it needed help it didn't have any powerful friends in the hierarchy and had made rather too many powerful enemies.
What we're seeing at Aber though is being replicated in many unis elsewhere. The new A-level is largely to blame, but the atrocious quality of the GCSE course doesn't help.
Both of those are unfortunate as it didn't have to be that way. The ideas had potential, if they had listened to the experts on practicalities.
Unfortunately, this is a government that likes plausible, arrogant and rather stupid liars. Not experts. And it shows in more fields than education.
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No, your view is based on your opinions. Too many history departments have been infected with Marxist interpretations of history since the 1960s rather than traditional empirical fact based history.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
If this Conservative government is doing conservative things in education all to the good, that is what it won a majority for in 2019. If you want to change things you will need to elect a Labour led government as you failed to do in 20190 -
Do we know how many POWs they presented?rottenborough said:Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.0 -
make it two and stop now for the world's sake. I doubt there is another two weeks to play with .mwadams said:
That's what you do once you've shipped in at least a 4 weeks worth of the (defensive) weapons we are sending them.state_go_away said:
my plan is to survive with my family and with a country to survive in. Thats it - When it comes to it thats what most people want - they do not actually care about the rights and wrongs of Ukraine (30 years ago Ukraine's army would be threatening us as part of the USSR) . i suggest we say there needs to be a negotiation (sod twitter warriors and virtue signallers) and as part of that we are pausing sending in any weapons and further sanctionsJosiasJessop said:
How the heck can we deescalate? If you think Putin is mad enough to launch nuclear weapons (esp. outside Ukraine), then we might as well let him roll over the entirety of eastern Europe. And even then, he'd find some grievance to go further.state_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
What is your plan?0 -
I don't.mwadams said:I do like this notion of "factual history" being bandied about. One of the things I find most interesting about aechaeology is how often it demonstrates that the "facts" of "factual history" can't quite be right...
But then, what do I know? I'm only an historian with 7 articles and 2 books plus fifteen years' experience of teaching. Apparently everything I know is wrong because the opinions of a lot of fat posh Tories are that it must be.
Apparently that also makes me left wing - which is ironic because it's my disdain for the attitude of the Tory government that's driving me to Labour, not so much my political views.4 -
But 55% did not vote for the Tories - hardly a democratic mandateHYUFD said:
No, your view is based on your opinions. Too many history departments have been infected with Marxist interpretations of history since the 1960s rather than traditional empirical fact based history.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
If this Conservative government is doing conservative things in education all to the good, that is what it won a majority for in 2019. If you want to change things you will need to elect a Labour led government as you failed to do in 20192 -
If we think the Russian Army is antiquated.IshmaelZ said:
It's all game theory innit. If we step gingerly back and sue for peace because Vlad has Ther Bomb that encourages North Korea to beef up its army and invade SK knowing SK will receive no international support of any kind because Ther Bomb.state_go_away said:
well I fundamentally disagree- Please get it into your heads (those that want to pursue this war) that you can not always win or good will always win. This is a situation where if Russia loses the world is on the brink - It needs (and Putin because he will not get toppled) a face saver . one can be done ,always one can be done but you have to try. All wars end at some point , the earlier the better especially in this case for EVERYONEBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why do you want to censor our media and play into Putin handsstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
We have to stand strong with Ukraine and all NATO states and not role over to a war criminal
I am very pleased with the measures the UK - EU - US - NATO are taking and it is time we came in behind them all
Each has had an important input to this crisis and I hope that finally this will bring us all together in unity
It is also time to stop UK - good EU - bad and vice versa as it is simply divisive and plays into Putin's agenda
Can't wait to see what the NK make of Seoul.0 -
Genuine LOL.HYUFD said:
No, your view is based on your opinions.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
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well thats just a question of laying the odds - The odds i see are scary and need to concentrate the mindkinabalu said:
I relate to your anxiety but I've made a concerted effort to really think it through and I don't think the risk of nuclear war - although it's not zero - is as big as you are perceiving it.state_go_away said:
well I fundamentally disagree- Please get it into your heads (those that want to pursue this war) that you can not always win or good will always win. This is a situation where if Russia loses the world is on the brink - It needs (and Putin because he will not get toppled) a face saver . one can be done ,always one can be done but you have to try. All wars end at some point , the earlier the better especially in this case for EVERYONEBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why do you want to censor our media and play into Putin handsstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
We have to stand strong with Ukraine and all NATO states and not role over to a war criminal
I am very pleased with the measures the UK - EU - US - NATO are taking and it is time we came in behind them all
Each has had an important input to this crisis and I hope that finally this will bring us all together in unity
It is also time to stop UK - good EU - bad and vice versa as it is simply divisive and plays into Putin's agenda0 -
I remember when I was teaching there the Treasurer who had invested much money in Icelandic banks was invited to leave the premises.Foss said:
Aber (in general) has been run oddly for a while - I seem to remember they lost a couple of senior compsci types in the early 10s…ydoethur said:
Well, there are still some medievalists there - Bjorn Weiler and Phillipp Schofield (not *that* Phillipp Schofield). And they have I believe just appointed a new German studies lecturer after the last one went out with a bang during the merger by effectively telling the management they were a bunch of retards. To their faces. In his interview...he always was a legend, but even more so after that.Malmesbury said:
Incidentally - from the last thread "As for Aber, its history degree (such as it is) is now offered via Interpol"ydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Now I have visions of History being taught at Aberdeen by Reinhard Heydrich.....
But it's been badly hit by being subsumed. Numbers have cratered and student satisfaction has dropped off a cliff.
Which is a shame, as it was quite a good history department (and I don't say that just because I taught there for three years). Unfortunately when it needed help it didn't have any powerful friends in the hierarchy and had made rather too many powerful enemies.
What we're seeing at Aber though is being replicated in many unis elsewhere. The new A-level is largely to blame, but the atrocious quality of the GCSE course doesn't help.
Both of those are unfortunate as it didn't have to be that way. The ideas had potential, if they had listened to the experts on practicalities.
Unfortunately, this is a government that likes plausible, arrogant and rather stupid liars. Not experts. And it shows in more fields than education.
The security staff were I gather polite but insistent...1 -
I would have thought that HYUFD of all people would know that 1066 andf all that is a piss-take of Our Island Story -and actually rather better at times, e.g. the Irish and the Irish Question (still the best summary in my view, and only strengthened by recent events).eek said:
Surely everyone knows that the only facts that HYUFD cares about are whatever is in today’s missive from Bozo central office.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
Thankfully the missives are daily as otherwise he would need to believe multiple different things before lunchtime.0 -
That is so funnyydoethur said:
Genuine LOL.HYUFD said:
No, your view is based on your opinions.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
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Who knows? I am sure NK army officers keep the tyres on their vehicles serviceable, on pain of being shot.dixiedean said:
If we think the Russian Army is antiquated.IshmaelZ said:
It's all game theory innit. If we step gingerly back and sue for peace because Vlad has Ther Bomb that encourages North Korea to beef up its army and invade SK knowing SK will receive no international support of any kind because Ther Bomb.state_go_away said:
well I fundamentally disagree- Please get it into your heads (those that want to pursue this war) that you can not always win or good will always win. This is a situation where if Russia loses the world is on the brink - It needs (and Putin because he will not get toppled) a face saver . one can be done ,always one can be done but you have to try. All wars end at some point , the earlier the better especially in this case for EVERYONEBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why do you want to censor our media and play into Putin handsstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
We have to stand strong with Ukraine and all NATO states and not role over to a war criminal
I am very pleased with the measures the UK - EU - US - NATO are taking and it is time we came in behind them all
Each has had an important input to this crisis and I hope that finally this will bring us all together in unity
It is also time to stop UK - good EU - bad and vice versa as it is simply divisive and plays into Putin's agenda
Can't wait to see what the NK make of Seoul.
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I wonder if he'd consider going into stand up with me?Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is so funnyydoethur said:
Genuine LOL.HYUFD said:
No, your view is based on your opinions.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
We could come on and I would say something bland and uncontroversial like 'water is wet.'
Then he could shout 'No! Boris has declared water is dry! Therefore it is the driest thing ever!'
And I could reply, 'but it's still wet...'
We would have to spend time with each other, which we haven't done for years, but we could make a fortune very fast.5 -
56.4% in fact.MikeSmithson said:
But 55% did not vote for the Tories - hardly a democratic mandateHYUFD said:
No, your view is based on your opinions. Too many history departments have been infected with Marxist interpretations of history since the 1960s rather than traditional empirical fact based history.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
If this Conservative government is doing conservative things in education all to the good, that is what it won a majority for in 2019. If you want to change things you will need to elect a Labour led government as you failed to do in 20191 -
Albeit better than shooting them, as was the customary practice in 1941.rottenborough said:Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.2 -
You are right in that things are risky - my own view is Putin could easily order a tactical nuclear strike on a minor town to demonstrate he would use nuclear weapons and scare the west / force Ukraine to surrender - but bear in mind, Putin may also be concerned that ordering the use of nuclear weapons triggers a move against him.state_go_away said:
soundbite stuff and not the real reality of a nuclear filled RussiaBig_G_NorthWales said:
You do not win by rolling over to a bullystate_go_away said:
well I fundamentally disagree- Please get it into your heads (those that want to pursue this war) that you can not always win or good will always win. This is a situation where if Russia loses the world is on the brink - It needs (and Putin because he will not get toppled) a face saver . one can be done ,always one can be done but you have to try. All wars end at some point , the earlier the better especially in this case for EVERYONEBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why do you want to censor our media and play into Putin handsstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
We have to stand strong with Ukraine and all NATO states and not role over to a war criminal
I am very pleased with the measures the UK - EU - US - NATO are taking and it is time we came in behind them all
Each has had an important input to this crisis and I hope that finally this will bring us all together in unity
It is also time to stop UK - good EU - bad and vice versa as it is simply divisive and plays into Putin's agenda
He has to be challenged and made to realise he cannot succeed in his war and the crimes he is committing
Russia cannot win this and the best hope is for an internal coup
Appeasement does not work
If the reports that anti-war elements in the FSB leaked details of the assassination plot, then it’s clear there are at least some elements in the Russian security apparatus who are against the war. If there was any inkling nukes were about to be used, good chance that triggers a move against Putin.0 -
Do you remember History Today with Rob Newman and David Baddiel?ydoethur said:
I wonder if he'd consider going into stand up with me?Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is so funnyydoethur said:
Genuine LOL.HYUFD said:
No, your view is based on your opinions.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
We could come on and I would say something bland and uncontroversial like 'water is wet.'
Then he could shout 'No! Boris has declared water is dry! Therefore it is the driest thing ever!'
And I could reply, 'but it's still wet...'
We would have to spend time with each other, which we haven't done for years, but we could make a fortune very fast.3 -
rottenborough said:
Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.
Is it? I'm no legal expert and could well be wrong, but I thought that it was against the Geneva Convention to Humiliate them, (and a few other things) but I don't think presenting them to the press is not necessarily Humiliation, depending on the context.1 -
Here is an entIrely serious question. As Russia has not formally declared war and considers what it is doing to be a police action, and the Ukrainians are fighting a defensive action without ever having formally declared war either, are the combatants covered by the Geneva Convention?turbotubbs said:
Albeit better than shooting them, as was the customary practice in 1941.rottenborough said:Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.
As I am not a lawyer, I'm asking because I want to know the answer.
I wondered if the Falklands War at least (where war was never formally declared) should provide precedent, but in that case Britain had a UN Resolution covering its actions, which Ukraine does not. So I'm not sure it does.1 -
whatever the legalities the bigger picture is how it is seen in Russia by ordinary Russians - It can only turn them against the westBigRich said:rottenborough said:Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.
Is it? I'm no legal expert and could well be wrong, but I thought that it was against the Geneva Convention to Humiliate them, (and a few other things) but I don't think presenting them to the press is not necessarily Humiliation, depending on the context.0 -
A bit before my time of being interested, but that sort of idea.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you remember History Today with Rob Newman and David Baddiel?ydoethur said:
I wonder if he'd consider going into stand up with me?Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is so funnyydoethur said:
Genuine LOL.HYUFD said:
No, your view is based on your opinions.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
We could come on and I would say something bland and uncontroversial like 'water is wet.'
Then he could shout 'No! Boris has declared water is dry! Therefore it is the driest thing ever!'
And I could reply, 'but it's still wet...'
We would have to spend time with each other, which we haven't done for years, but we could make a fortune very fast.0 -
Do you mean that the UN resolution in the Falklands War meant we had to behave ourselves? And that without such a resolution potentially Ukraine isn’t under the same obligation?ydoethur said:
Here is an entIrely serious question. As Russia has not formally declared war and considers what it is doing to be a police action, and the Ukrainians are fighting a defensive action without ever having formally declared war either, are the combatants covered by the Geneva Convention?turbotubbs said:
Albeit better than shooting them, as was the customary practice in 1941.rottenborough said:Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.
As I am not a lawyer, I'm asking because I want to know the answer.
I wondered if the Falklands War at least (where war was never formally declared) should provide precedent, but in that case Britain had a UN Resolution covering its actions, which Ukraine does not. So I'm not sure it does.0 -
That's what I'm asking, yes. Not what I mean, because I don't know the answer.tlg86 said:
Do you mean that the UN resolution in the Falklands War meant we had to behave ourselves? And that without such a resolution potentially Ukraine isn’t under the same obligation?ydoethur said:
Here is an entIrely serious question. As Russia has not formally declared war and considers what it is doing to be a police action, and the Ukrainians are fighting a defensive action without ever having formally declared war either, are the combatants covered by the Geneva Convention?turbotubbs said:
Albeit better than shooting them, as was the customary practice in 1941.rottenborough said:Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.
As I am not a lawyer, I'm asking because I want to know the answer.
I wondered if the Falklands War at least (where war was never formally declared) should provide precedent, but in that case Britain had a UN Resolution covering its actions, which Ukraine does not. So I'm not sure it does.0 -
Over 50% have never voted for any governing party since WW2.MikeSmithson said:
But 55% did not vote for the Tories - hardly a democratic mandateHYUFD said:
No, your view is based on your opinions. Too many history departments have been infected with Marxist interpretations of history since the 1960s rather than traditional empirical fact based history.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post, Hyufd, is that my view is based on the facts, and yours is based on your political opinions.HYUFD said:
You are entitled to your own views, not your own facts. History at its best is empirical and factual above allydoethur said:
Like History, except apparently in the minds of certain Tory supporters.MikeSmithson said:
That's the great thing about betting - it is all based on punters having different views.tlg86 said:First. Someone at the gathering reckoned laying Melenchon is a safe bet.
If this Conservative government is doing conservative things in education all to the good, that is what it won a majority for in 2019. If you want to change things you will need to elect a Labour led government as you failed to do in 2019
The only elected government which has got over 50% was the Tory-LD coalition government of 2010-2015, we have FPTP not PR. As long as you win a majority of seats in the Commons you have a mandate0 -
According to you, the real reality of nuclear filled Russia is letting them invade any neighbor and commit whatever war crimes they like.state_go_away said:
soundbite stuff and not the real reality of a nuclear filled RussiaBig_G_NorthWales said:
You do not win by rolling over to a bullystate_go_away said:
well I fundamentally disagree- Please get it into your heads (those that want to pursue this war) that you can not always win or good will always win. This is a situation where if Russia loses the world is on the brink - It needs (and Putin because he will not get toppled) a face saver . one can be done ,always one can be done but you have to try. All wars end at some point , the earlier the better especially in this case for EVERYONEBig_G_NorthWales said:
Why do you want to censor our media and play into Putin handsstate_go_away said:For all those who bang on about Putin will get ousted or even get refused when ordering a nuclear attack , just think if that would happen on the Uk side - If Boris ordered a nuclear strike it woudl be obeyed (in fact who knows if he has already in the standing orders in the subs) . People need to get real and realise the world is at a brink and needs to deescalate this not inflame anymore, The BBC showing footage of downing Russian helicoptors is not helping
We have to stand strong with Ukraine and all NATO states and not role over to a war criminal
I am very pleased with the measures the UK - EU - US - NATO are taking and it is time we came in behind them all
Each has had an important input to this crisis and I hope that finally this will bring us all together in unity
It is also time to stop UK - good EU - bad and vice versa as it is simply divisive and plays into Putin's agenda
He has to be challenged and made to realise he cannot succeed in his war and the crimes he is committing
Russia cannot win this and the best hope is for an internal coup
Appeasement does not work2 -
This is where we might wonder if some of the Russia boycotts are a mite counter-productive. Where are Russians to get news other from the state media? Not Facebook anymore. Activists might follow the BBC's instructions for Tor but hardly the babushka on the St Petersburg omnibus.state_go_away said:
whatever the legalities the bigger picture is how it is seen in Russia by ordinary Russians - It can only turn them against the westBigRich said:rottenborough said:Ukrainians present Russian prisoners of war to the press.
NY Times
Misstep by Ukr. This is against Geneva I think? Although bit of a grey area.
Is it? I'm no legal expert and could well be wrong, but I thought that it was against the Geneva Convention to Humiliate them, (and a few other things) but I don't think presenting them to the press is not necessarily Humiliation, depending on the context.0
