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SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited January 12 in General
Flailing lying silly obtuse Johnson makes it worse – politicalbetting.com

Senior Tory MP tells me: the PM’s statement isn’t enough. It won’t do the trick. He can usually find a small piece of Teflon to help him slip away from trouble. But I think he has finally run out of Teflon

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  • Test.
  • eekeek Posts: 17,262
    edited January 12

    Test.

    Yes both Boris and the Tory party's indecision on how to deal with Boris is Testing.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 2,661
    edited January 12
    Third, like the Conservatives at the upcoming by-election in Uxbridge & South Ruislip.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 17,076
    Nice FLSOJ.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,136
    edited January 12
    I am here for the work event, I brought my own booze.....some sort of Rose from Tesco.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 99,293
    edited January 12
    dixiedean said:

    Nice FLSOJ.

    Hooray, someone spotted it, I am somebody who is the master of subtlety and nuance, I was worried people might miss it.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 2,661

    dixiedean said:

    Nice FLSOJ.

    Hooray, someone spotted, as someone who is the master of subtlety and nuance, I was worried people might miss it.
    Also a nice "Dick head of the Met".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 14,735
    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 8,858
    Prince Andrew is Toast...
  • Prince Andrew is Toast...

    Why?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 5,390

    Prince Andrew is Toast...

    Why? (Is there something new?)
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 8,858

    Prince Andrew is Toast...

    Why?
    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1481269925008322568



    PA Media
    @PA
    #Breaking The Duke of York will face a civil sex case trial after a US judge dismissed a motion by Andrew’s legal team to have the lawsuit thrown out
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 21,175
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 17,076

    Prince Andrew is Toast...

    Now that would be a dead Siberian Tiger.
  • Prince Andrew is Toast...

    Why?
    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1481269925008322568



    PA Media
    @PA
    #Breaking The Duke of York will face a civil sex case trial after a US judge dismissed a motion by Andrew’s legal team to have the lawsuit thrown out
    Cheers.
  • eekeek Posts: 17,262

    Prince Andrew is Toast...

    Why?
    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1481269925008322568



    PA Media
    @PA
    #Breaking The Duke of York will face a civil sex case trial after a US judge dismissed a motion by Andrew’s legal team to have the lawsuit thrown out
    Hardly surprising the entire attempt was based on a legal document that Prince Andrew wasn't supposed to know existed.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,762

    dixiedean said:

    Nice FLSOJ.

    Hooray, someone spotted it, I am somebody who is the master of subtlety and nuance, I was worried people might miss it.
    I presume OGH is still in a state of blissful ignorance?
  • AslanAslan Posts: 894
    eek said:


    Prince Andrew is Toast...

    Why?
    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1481269925008322568



    PA Media
    @PA
    #Breaking The Duke of York will face a civil sex case trial after a US judge dismissed a motion by Andrew’s legal team to have the lawsuit thrown out
    Hardly surprising the entire attempt was based on a legal document that Prince Andrew wasn't supposed to know existed.
    Excellent news for victims everywhere.
  • dixiedean said:

    Nice FLSOJ.

    Hooray, someone spotted it, I am somebody who is the master of subtlety and nuance, I was worried people might miss it.
    I presume OGH is still in a state of blissful ignorance?
    Yes.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,762

    Prince Andrew is Toast...

    Why?
    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1481269925008322568



    PA Media
    @PA
    #Breaking The Duke of York will face a civil sex case trial after a US judge dismissed a motion by Andrew’s legal team to have the lawsuit thrown out
    What's that coming over the hill (that the GODOY has marched to the top of)?
    Is it a settlement? Is it a settlement?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 12,212
    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 21,190

    dixiedean said:

    Nice FLSOJ.

    Hooray, someone spotted, as someone who is the master of subtlety and nuance, I was worried people might miss it.
    Also a nice "Dick head of the Met".
    He nicked it from me here - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/10/01/what-now/

    See last paragraph.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 21,190
    eek said:


    Prince Andrew is Toast...

    Why?
    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1481269925008322568



    PA Media
    @PA
    #Breaking The Duke of York will face a civil sex case trial after a US judge dismissed a motion by Andrew’s legal team to have the lawsuit thrown out
    Hardly surprising the entire attempt was based on a legal document that Prince Andrew wasn't supposed to know existed.
    Time for him to get some decent lawyers and settle the case.
  • Cyclefree said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nice FLSOJ.

    Hooray, someone spotted, as someone who is the master of subtlety and nuance, I was worried people might miss it.
    Also a nice "Dick head of the Met".
    He nicked it from me here - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/10/01/what-now/

    See last paragraph.
    Good writers borrow from others, great writers steal outright.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 14,735
    lol


    "A reconstruction of one of the Emperor Caligula's Nemi ships, used by him for work events"


    https://twitter.com/DrFrancisYoung/status/1481259462010843141?s=20
  • boulayboulay Posts: 275
    Assuming No. 10 isn’t the only building in the country (maybe it is?) that is mixed use domestic and work with shared communal areas - what were the rules in place for such buildings? Surely there were rules…..

    Surely if you were a resident of the building you would be allowed out in the garden in lockdown as long as socially distanced from others using the communal space. Then if work occupants of the building also use that space (socially distanced) then they are also within the laws?

    Not to try and defend our fat friend but there will inevitably be a technical loophole that covers the workers, Boris and Carrie all being allowed to use the garden at same time. And I guess that many people in the country who had communal gardens arranged to sit outside and have drinks (socially distanced) at the same time as other residents - I remember seeing people that summer in the evenings sitting in their own front gardens drinking and chatting to their neighbours without breaking any technical rules……
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 21,190

    Cyclefree said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nice FLSOJ.

    Hooray, someone spotted, as someone who is the master of subtlety and nuance, I was worried people might miss it.
    Also a nice "Dick head of the Met".
    He nicked it from me here - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/10/01/what-now/

    See last paragraph.
    Good writers borrow from others, great writers steal outright.
    "From other greater writers" is the bit you forgot to type at the end. 😉
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 11

    BigRich said:

    In all the noise, i missed this...

    The CEO of Pfizer, Albert Bourla, has said that a vaccine for the highly transmissible Omicron variant of Covid-19 will be ready in March and that the pharmaceutical company has begun manufacturing the doses.

    That is good news, and in line with the forecast made when Omicron was first discovered to that it would take 100 days to modify the vaccine to be 'optimised' for the new variant.

    I do think that by March, this wave will be pretty much behind us, but that does give us to to acquire sufficient does to do another wave of vaccination in Sep/Oct ready for next Christmas.
    Giving it oldies probably sensible, but JCVI will probably take a year to decide.
    I was reading this earlier https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says

    "European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune system and may not be feasible."

    Which wasn't something I'd heard before. But if that's how the EMA are thinking I imagine it would feed into the JCVI.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 489
    Great thread by TSE.

    Perfectly put and remember this isn't from a leftie.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 14,735
    My God, I had never heard of the Nemi ships


    "The Nemi ships were two ships, one larger than the other, built under the reign of the Roman emperor Caligula in the 1st century CE on Lake Nemi. Although the purpose of the ships is only speculated upon, the larger ship was an elaborate floating palace, which contained quantities of marble, mosaic floors, heating and plumbing and amenities such as baths. Both ships featured technology thought to have been developed historically much later. It has been stated that the emperor was influenced by the lavish lifestyles of the Hellenistic rulers of Syracuse and Ptolemaic Egypt. Recovered from the lake bed in 1929, the ships were destroyed by fire in 1944 during World War II."

    "Piston pumps (ctesibica machina: Vitruvius X.4?7) supplied the two ships with hot and cold running water via lead pipes. The hot water supplied baths while the cold operated fountains and supplied drinking water. This plumbing technology was later lost and only re-discovered in the Middle Ages."

    "Each ship contained a rotating statue platform. One platform was mounted on caged bronze balls and is the earliest example of the thrust ball bearing previously believed to have been first envisioned by Leonardo da Vinci but only developed much later."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemi_ships


    *boggle eyed emoji*
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 21,801

    Prince Andrew is Toast...

    Why?
    Andrew can't sweat. So he will burn. Hence toast?
  • AslanAslan Posts: 894
    kinabalu said:

    So amused that AC Grayling thought that Rosie Holt was a real MP when he watched this..

    Rosie Holt
    @RosieisaHolt
    MP doesn’t know whether she attended Downing St Party
    https://twitter.com/RosieisaHolt/status/1480932023929823244

    TBF it can be hard to tell the spoof from the real these days.
    It is hard to think of someone who has destroyed a reputation for intelligence more over the last decade. He was once seen as a heavyweight intellectual, but he has been driven mad by Brexit. He has got so blinkered in his state of perpetual anger, he can't even tell an obviously humorous spoof right before his eyes.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 5,390

    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
    I'm no expert, but it will make sense for immune naive people and those who are more at risk. As we are seeing covid is still killing people, some of whom will be in the vaccinated but at risk category, and some are unvaccinated.

    It won't hurt to suppress omicron either, in terms on other effects. We are not seeing omicron vs a naive population, we are seeing it in the UK where most have protection against serious illness through prior infection/vaccination (B and T cells etc etc).

    Not seen the data for this, but presumably omicron is now dominant virtually everywhere. Another variant would need to out-compete or re-infect omicron recovered people, and that may again be at a cost in terms of severity (might not be).

    If original covid had been omicron then decisions about lockdown vs shielding may have been interesting. We don't really know what omicron would have been like without trained immune systems.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 38,084
    Normally I’d argue against knee-jerk proposals that the opposition should table a VONC.

    But right now, it’s a finely balanced decision. The question for Labour is whether a vote now, when the government side will all be saying “wait for the inquiry”, would turn into a damp squib. The counter-argument is that you should strike when the iron is hot.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 894
    Cyclefree said:

    eek said:


    Prince Andrew is Toast...

    Why?
    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1481269925008322568



    PA Media
    @PA
    #Breaking The Duke of York will face a civil sex case trial after a US judge dismissed a motion by Andrew’s legal team to have the lawsuit thrown out
    Hardly surprising the entire attempt was based on a legal document that Prince Andrew wasn't supposed to know existed.
    Time for him to get some decent lawyers and settle the case.
    Screw settling. The truth must come out.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 38,084

    I am here for the work event, I brought my own booze.....some sort of Rose from Tesco.

    The trick is to put it on the table and then get a glass from a better bottle someone has foolishly left lying around…
  • Cyclefree said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nice FLSOJ.

    Hooray, someone spotted, as someone who is the master of subtlety and nuance, I was worried people might miss it.
    Also a nice "Dick head of the Met".
    He nicked it from me here - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/10/01/what-now/

    See last paragraph.
    Good writers borrow from others, great writers steal outright.
    Jesus H Christ.

    Some actual modesty from Eagles.

    TheScreamingEagles
    February 2017
    Dick head of The Met now
    https://twitter.com/skymarkwhite/status/834409455257268224
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1446149/#Comment_1446149
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 489
    Lindsay Hoyle did Starmer a big favour by allowing the lying word to go through but morally he was right to do so.

    It's now the Mail's lead headline: He's lying through his teeth.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10393563/Time-face-music-Boris-PM-braces-Partygate-mauling-Commons.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,136
    Not quite Mbappe or Neymar....

    Newcastle United are closing in on the signing of Burnley striker Chris Wood.
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59960367
  • AslanAslan Posts: 894

    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
    It is milder than Delta but it is not mild. The lack of severity in California is due to vaccination.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 1,899
    boulay said:

    Assuming No. 10 isn’t the only building in the country (maybe it is?) that is mixed use domestic and work with shared communal areas - what were the rules in place for such buildings? Surely there were rules…..

    Surely if you were a resident of the building you would be allowed out in the garden in lockdown as long as socially distanced from others using the communal space. Then if work occupants of the building also use that space (socially distanced) then they are also within the laws?

    Not to try and defend our fat friend but there will inevitably be a technical loophole that covers the workers, Boris and Carrie all being allowed to use the garden at same time. And I guess that many people in the country who had communal gardens arranged to sit outside and have drinks (socially distanced) at the same time as other residents - I remember seeing people that summer in the evenings sitting in their own front gardens drinking and chatting to their neighbours without breaking any technical rules……

    The rules referred to where you weren't not where you were - i.e. not at home unless you had a reasonable excuse. So Boris and Carrie would have been allowed to be in the garden, and I don't think they would have ceased to be allowed because a party was going on.

    Neighbours sitting in their own garden talking to someone in another garden wouldn't be breaking rules, provided the other person was also in their own garden. Someone stepping out of their garden and continuing to speak to the neighbour over the front hedge (for example) would have been breaking the law unless they were leaving home with a reasonable excuse.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 21,801

    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
    I'm no expert, but it will make sense for immune naive people and those who are more at risk. As we are seeing covid is still killing people, some of whom will be in the vaccinated but at risk category, and some are unvaccinated.

    It won't hurt to suppress omicron either, in terms on other effects. We are not seeing omicron vs a naive population, we are seeing it in the UK where most have protection against serious illness through prior infection/vaccination (B and T cells etc etc).

    Not seen the data for this, but presumably omicron is now dominant virtually everywhere. Another variant would need to out-compete or re-infect omicron recovered people, and that may again be at a cost in terms of severity (might not be).

    If original covid had been omicron then decisions about lockdown vs shielding may have been interesting. We don't really know what omicron would have been like without trained immune systems.
    If original COVID has spread like Winne-the-Pooh then we would be looking at the aftermath - it would have been too quick for lockdowns to happen....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 69,284
    Heathener said:

    Lindsay Hoyle did Starmer a big favour by allowing the lying word to go through but morally he was right to do so.

    It's now the Mail's lead headline: He's lying through his teeth.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10393563/Time-face-music-Boris-PM-braces-Partygate-mauling-Commons.html

    Yes, right on the limit of parliamentary language but the Gov't hasn't exactly endeared itself to the speaker recently.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 17,443
    edited January 12
    Leon said:

    My God, I had never heard of the Nemi ships


    "The Nemi ships were two ships, one larger than the other, built under the reign of the Roman emperor Caligula in the 1st century CE on Lake Nemi. Although the purpose of the ships is only speculated upon, the larger ship was an elaborate floating palace, which contained quantities of marble, mosaic floors, heating and plumbing and amenities such as baths. Both ships featured technology thought to have been developed historically much later. It has been stated that the emperor was influenced by the lavish lifestyles of the Hellenistic rulers of Syracuse and Ptolemaic Egypt. Recovered from the lake bed in 1929, the ships were destroyed by fire in 1944 during World War II."

    "Piston pumps (ctesibica machina: Vitruvius X.4?7) supplied the two ships with hot and cold running water via lead pipes. The hot water supplied baths while the cold operated fountains and supplied drinking water. This plumbing technology was later lost and only re-discovered in the Middle Ages."

    "Each ship contained a rotating statue platform. One platform was mounted on caged bronze balls and is the earliest example of the thrust ball bearing previously believed to have been first envisioned by Leonardo da Vinci but only developed much later."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemi_ships


    *boggle eyed emoji*

    Quite envious, aren't you? Just think of blagging a travel reporter's cruise on one of those, complete with grapes peeled by hand in real time by your choice of servant.

    Edit: and JJ and I would have been asking for the full tour from bilges to crow's nest.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 38,084
    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    Nice to know that the imminent demise of the entire human race was a false alarm. Whatever utter numpty posted such crap up here some weeks back should really be banished from troubling us with his nonsense ever again.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 12,212

    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
    I'm no expert, but it will make sense for immune naive people and those who are more at risk. As we are seeing covid is still killing people, some of whom will be in the vaccinated but at risk category, and some are unvaccinated.

    It won't hurt to suppress omicron either, in terms on other effects. We are not seeing omicron vs a naive population, we are seeing it in the UK where most have protection against serious illness through prior infection/vaccination (B and T cells etc etc).

    Not seen the data for this, but presumably omicron is now dominant virtually everywhere. Another variant would need to out-compete or re-infect omicron recovered people, and that may again be at a cost in terms of severity (might not be).

    If original covid had been omicron then decisions about lockdown vs shielding may have been interesting. We don't really know what omicron would have been like without trained immune systems.
    Yes, was wondering whether it would be better to target the vax rather than do it universally?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 21,801
    IanB2 said:

    I am here for the work event, I brought my own booze.....some sort of Rose from Tesco.

    The trick is to put it on the table and then get a glass from a better bottle someone has foolishly left lying around…
    This ragging in Tesco fizz has to stop. I once saved some lives by buying a half case of prosecco from a Tesco.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 35,015

    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
    I'm no expert, but it will make sense for immune naive people and those who are more at risk. As we are seeing covid is still killing people, some of whom will be in the vaccinated but at risk category, and some are unvaccinated.

    It won't hurt to suppress omicron either, in terms on other effects. We are not seeing omicron vs a naive population, we are seeing it in the UK where most have protection against serious illness through prior infection/vaccination (B and T cells etc etc).

    Not seen the data for this, but presumably omicron is now dominant virtually everywhere. Another variant would need to out-compete or re-infect omicron recovered people, and that may again be at a cost in terms of severity (might not be).

    If original covid had been omicron then decisions about lockdown vs shielding may have been interesting. We don't really know what omicron would have been like without trained immune systems.
    If original COVID has spread like Winne-the-Pooh then we would be looking at the aftermath - it would have been too quick for lockdowns to happen....
    And Omicron is spreading so fast it will likely be too late to mass vaccinate against it anyway.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 21,175
    Hilary Jones was not impressed.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    It is very telling that not a single cabinet minister has tweeted in Boris Johnson's support since PMQs. Not one.

    Usually there would have been an instruction to do so. They're keeping their heads down in case he has to quit and they haven't dipped their fingers in the blood.

    https://twitter.com/IainDale/status/1481270467365412865
  • eekeek Posts: 17,262
    Grab the popcorn


    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    ·
    1m
    Deputy PM Raab about to hit the airwaves in operation shore up the boss...
  • @theousherwood
    Senior Tory who knows the PM well texts: “He wants to fight.”

    Adds that Boris Johnson’s appearance in the tea room post-PMQs shows “operation fight back underway”.

    “His greatest strength is that no one believes Rishi or Liz are the solution.”
    https://twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1481273849606033412
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 5,200
    edited January 12
    I've got a feeling we may be back here in two weeks, with the next Cummings story. Each time the Tory MP's will become a little nearer to taking action, but the Tory brand will go on being affected.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    Johnson did not see invite to staff inviting them to BYOB drinks do, No 10 says - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/jan/12/boris-johnson-no-10-party-pmqs-keir-starmer-labour-coronavirus-latest-updates-covid-live?page=with:block-61dee5ed8f089631abd23923#block-61dee5ed8f089631abd23923

    So all we need to see is the list of names off the top of the email...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 35,015
    Pulpstar said:

    Heathener said:

    Lindsay Hoyle did Starmer a big favour by allowing the lying word to go through but morally he was right to do so.

    It's now the Mail's lead headline: He's lying through his teeth.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10393563/Time-face-music-Boris-PM-braces-Partygate-mauling-Commons.html

    Yes, right on the limit of parliamentary language but the Gov't hasn't exactly endeared itself to the speaker recently.
    There also comes a point when the convention itself is in danger of being rendered utterly ridiculous, should the Speaker insist on defending Boris from being called liar when he's obviously lying.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,136
    edited January 12
    tlg86 said:

    Hilary Jones was not impressed.
    The problem is it just lets all the antivaxxers chop up bits of it while clearly having the logo of some mainstream media tv show and then spread it on social media. I saw exactly that with the Sky News bit.

    So it just adds legitimacy to a) he is a doctor and b) he can't be a total crackpot because he is on mainstream well known shows.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 21,801
    tlg86 said:

    Hilary Jones was not impressed.
    "I'm not anti-vax. Some of my best friends are vaccines. I go to the pub with a shot of rabies vaccine all the time. But....."
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 5,390

    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
    I'm no expert, but it will make sense for immune naive people and those who are more at risk. As we are seeing covid is still killing people, some of whom will be in the vaccinated but at risk category, and some are unvaccinated.

    It won't hurt to suppress omicron either, in terms on other effects. We are not seeing omicron vs a naive population, we are seeing it in the UK where most have protection against serious illness through prior infection/vaccination (B and T cells etc etc).

    Not seen the data for this, but presumably omicron is now dominant virtually everywhere. Another variant would need to out-compete or re-infect omicron recovered people, and that may again be at a cost in terms of severity (might not be).

    If original covid had been omicron then decisions about lockdown vs shielding may have been interesting. We don't really know what omicron would have been like without trained immune systems.
    Yes, was wondering whether it would be better to target the vax rather than do it universally?
    I think here we should not generally boost again unless needed (not yet) but for the usual groups next autumn we will probably use this new vaccine (assuming we do this).
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 8,858
    eek said:

    Grab the popcorn


    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    ·
    1m
    Deputy PM Raab about to hit the airwaves in operation shore up the boss...

    Was he at the party?
  • eekeek Posts: 17,262
    edited January 12
    Utterly off topic but the plan if China invades Taiwan is to destroy the TSMC plants there to make Taiwan worthless

    https://www.eenewsanalog.com/news/destroy-tsmc-if-china-invades-make-taiwan-unwantable-says-us-military-paper?fnid=143295 which goes to https://press.armywarcollege.edu/parameters/vol51/iss4/4/
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,831
    edited January 12

    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
    I'm no expert, but it will make sense for immune naive people and those who are more at risk. As we are seeing covid is still killing people, some of whom will be in the vaccinated but at risk category, and some are unvaccinated.

    It won't hurt to suppress omicron either, in terms on other effects. We are not seeing omicron vs a naive population, we are seeing it in the UK where most have protection against serious illness through prior infection/vaccination (B and T cells etc etc).

    Not seen the data for this, but presumably omicron is now dominant virtually everywhere. Another variant would need to out-compete or re-infect omicron recovered people, and that may again be at a cost in terms of severity (might not be).

    If original covid had been omicron then decisions about lockdown vs shielding may have been interesting. We don't really know what omicron would have been like without trained immune systems.
    If original COVID has spread like Winne-the-Pooh then we would be looking at the aftermath - it would have been too quick for lockdowns to happen....
    Yes, the effect on spread due to the difference in R between Omicron and Classic Flavour Covid is so huge that it is hard to grasp. The graph of case growth would just have looked like a vertical line.

    An R of 10 (which I think is the lower bound estimated) in a naive population basically makes a mockery of the notion of "doublings"
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 69,284
    edited January 12
    If you're fit and well, and have been previously exposed to Covid, there's a good chance the jab will give neutralising immunity whereas he'll get it again in 9 months time or so without vaccination. He's precisely the individual that vaccination will help stop the spread of the virus.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,236
    RobD said:

    If I had invited my entire team to work at my own house on 20 May 2020 (which would have been perfectly possible) then threw a barbecue and drinks do with them in my back garden that same evening, would that have been legal @RobD?

    If so, I wish someone had told me that at the time, as everyone was climbing the bloody walls and would have loved a little jolly.

    Probably not, since it's not your usual place of work (and I don't know if you/they were critical workers).
    I think the issue here is around the invitation. Who gets invited to work?

    Dear Key Worker - Please attend 10 Downing Street and don't forget a bottle.

    If I liked Boris I could make a coherent argument for working in the garden, politics isn't behind a desk which all relate to the post press conference meeting the week before.

    However I cannot get around why anyone networked would need an invite. Finally how cheap is Boris asking people to bring their own booze?

  • @PaulBrandITV
    No 10 seem to be saying the PM simply stumbled across a “bring your own booze” event with pubic food in his own garden and assumed it was a work event so joined in.
    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1481273371358896132

    "pubic food" sounds.. hairy
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    I know everyone has been laughing at this

    MP doesn’t know whether she attended Downing St Party https://twitter.com/RosieisaHolt/status/1480932023929823244/video/1

    Here is the PM real life spokesperson...

    PM's spokeswoman is asked if she attended the party, she says 'that's a matter for the independent review'...farcical
    https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue/status/1481270578870833154
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,136
    edited January 12
    Pulpstar said:

    If you're fit and well, and have been previously exposed to Covid, there's a good chance the jab will give neutralising immunity whereas he'll get it again in 9 months time or so without vaccination. He's precisely the individual that vaccination will help stop the spread of the virus.
    Nobody seems to be doing a good job of nailing exactly this. Prior infection + vaccination studies show is the most effective level of protection.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,690
    Mr. Leon, it may astound you as much (perhaps more) to know that the Colosseum was built using concrete (I think it was reinforced, but can't swear to it) as a primary building material.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,831
    eek said:

    Utterly off topic but the plan if China invades Taiwan is to destroy the TSMC plants there to make Taiwan worthless

    https://www.eenewsanalog.com/news/destroy-tsmc-if-china-invades-make-taiwan-unwantable-says-us-military-paper?fnid=143295 which goes to https://press.armywarcollege.edu/parameters/vol51/iss4/4/

    Given the location of the fabs in Taiwan it would be basically impossible to actually invade the main island without destroying the fabs.

    Even if Chona set out with a ludicrous plan to avoid damaging them then Taiwan could simply park a couple of SAM sites on the roof of every fab and then China has a decision to make.

    The most realistic way that China "invades" Taiwan is by seizing 1 or more of its little outer islands and then implies an mainland invasion and Taiwan folds.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    A spokeswoman for Dominic Raab says it is "categorically untrue" that the No 10 garden party was thrown to thank him for covering for the PM when he was in hospital.
    "He (Raab) wasn't invited and didn't attend."

    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1481276168615641091
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,762
    Leon said:

    My God, I had never heard of the Nemi ships


    "The Nemi ships were two ships, one larger than the other, built under the reign of the Roman emperor Caligula in the 1st century CE on Lake Nemi. Although the purpose of the ships is only speculated upon, the larger ship was an elaborate floating palace, which contained quantities of marble, mosaic floors, heating and plumbing and amenities such as baths. Both ships featured technology thought to have been developed historically much later. It has been stated that the emperor was influenced by the lavish lifestyles of the Hellenistic rulers of Syracuse and Ptolemaic Egypt. Recovered from the lake bed in 1929, the ships were destroyed by fire in 1944 during World War II."

    "Piston pumps (ctesibica machina: Vitruvius X.4?7) supplied the two ships with hot and cold running water via lead pipes. The hot water supplied baths while the cold operated fountains and supplied drinking water. This plumbing technology was later lost and only re-discovered in the Middle Ages."

    "Each ship contained a rotating statue platform. One platform was mounted on caged bronze balls and is the earliest example of the thrust ball bearing previously believed to have been first envisioned by Leonardo da Vinci but only developed much later."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemi_ships


    *boggle eyed emoji*

    Almost as remarkable as their existence is that there was enough left of them to raise in the 1930s and to be destroyed in WWII (by air attack I assume).

    Were they mentioned in I, Claudius, or am I confusing them with the games held on an artificial lake with ships manned by gladiators?
  • eekeek Posts: 17,262
    The prince Andrew judgment is out at https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21177493/21cv6702-jan-11-2022-0900.pdf

    This line is curious from the end

    But that ft says nothingof the reasonableness ofreviving claims ofothers who were over
    seventeen but less than eighteen when they were abused.

    A quick glance says Prince Andrew isn't just screwed he is royally screwed
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,136

    @PaulBrandITV
    No 10 seem to be saying the PM simply stumbled across a “bring your own booze” event with pubic food in his own garden and assumed it was a work event so joined in.
    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1481273371358896132

    "pubic food" sounds.. hairy

    I shocked and aghast that having stumbled across an offsite work meeting at a remote office venue called the Spearmint Rhino, that many of the ladies present took off their clothes....
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    If BoZo wasn't invited, why did he crash the party? With his wife...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 21,801
    edited January 12

    Mr. Leon, it may astound you as much (perhaps more) to know that the Colosseum was built using concrete (I think it was reinforced, but can't swear to it) as a primary building material.

    The Romans didn't have reinforced concrete. For a start, iron/steel was far too expensive.

    The Colosseum is mix - lots of rubble infill (with mortar) between walls. Quite a bit of concrete. Lots and lots of bricks...

    EDIT: The Pantheon is the astounding one, for concrete. Complete with variable density concrete used to lighten the loads in the right places....
  • boulayboulay Posts: 275
    edited January 12

    RobD said:

    If I had invited my entire team to work at my own house on 20 May 2020 (which would have been perfectly possible) then threw a barbecue and drinks do with them in my back garden that same evening, would that have been legal @RobD?

    If so, I wish someone had told me that at the time, as everyone was climbing the bloody walls and would have loved a little jolly.

    Probably not, since it's not your usual place of work (and I don't know if you/they were critical workers).
    I think the issue here is around the invitation. Who gets invited to work?

    Dear Key Worker - Please attend 10 Downing Street and don't forget a bottle.

    If I liked Boris I could make a coherent argument for working in the garden, politics isn't behind a desk which all relate to the post press conference meeting the week before.

    However I cannot get around why anyone networked would need an invite. Finally how cheap is Boris asking people to bring their own booze?

    Re your last sentence, the silly thing is that they were probably thinking “we can’t be seen to be using govt funds for booze for staff in the garden during lockdown” which is essentially the right thing to have done but because they did the right thing it’s made it look worse like some sort of student “bring a bottle” piss up!

    If they had just provided some glasses and white wine it might have passed off as a work thing more easily….
  • eekeek Posts: 17,262
    Scott_xP said:

    Johnson did not see invite to staff inviting them to BYOB drinks do, No 10 says - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/jan/12/boris-johnson-no-10-party-pmqs-keir-starmer-labour-coronavirus-latest-updates-covid-live?page=with:block-61dee5ed8f089631abd23923#block-61dee5ed8f089631abd23923

    So all we need to see is the list of names off the top of the email...

    You rarely see the invite if you are the person who asks someone to organise the party
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 8,917
    There seems to be competition even for Boris Johnson on who does the best Pinocchio impression:

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/my-agent-ticked-the-wrong-box-djokovic-tries-to-explain-mistake-on-australia-entry-form/ar-AASGrtZ?ocid=entnewsntp

    Perhaps Johnson "ticked the wrong box" on whether to have a party or not?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    Hard to imagine why they abandoned the idea of making these briefings televised https://twitter.com/SnoozeInBrief/status/1481276301117898755/photo/1
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 12,212
    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
    I'm no expert, but it will make sense for immune naive people and those who are more at risk. As we are seeing covid is still killing people, some of whom will be in the vaccinated but at risk category, and some are unvaccinated.

    It won't hurt to suppress omicron either, in terms on other effects. We are not seeing omicron vs a naive population, we are seeing it in the UK where most have protection against serious illness through prior infection/vaccination (B and T cells etc etc).

    Not seen the data for this, but presumably omicron is now dominant virtually everywhere. Another variant would need to out-compete or re-infect omicron recovered people, and that may again be at a cost in terms of severity (might not be).

    If original covid had been omicron then decisions about lockdown vs shielding may have been interesting. We don't really know what omicron would have been like without trained immune systems.
    If original COVID has spread like Winne-the-Pooh then we would be looking at the aftermath - it would have been too quick for lockdowns to happen....
    Yes, the effect on spread due to the difference in R between Omicron and Classic Flavour Covid is so huge that it is hard to grasp. The graph of case growth would just have looked like a vertical line.

    An R of 10 (which I think is the lower bound estimated) in a naive population basically makes a mockery of the notion of "doublings"
    I don't doubt any of that, but am still baffled how I have managed to avoid it, given I had a house full all Christmas (20 guests over ten days!) and visited double figures of busy pubs unmasked, then attended an absolutely belting NYE house party.

    How is this even possible if (paging @FrancisUrquhart) man walks into a bar and 200 people catch it?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 21,801

    Leon said:

    My God, I had never heard of the Nemi ships


    "The Nemi ships were two ships, one larger than the other, built under the reign of the Roman emperor Caligula in the 1st century CE on Lake Nemi. Although the purpose of the ships is only speculated upon, the larger ship was an elaborate floating palace, which contained quantities of marble, mosaic floors, heating and plumbing and amenities such as baths. Both ships featured technology thought to have been developed historically much later. It has been stated that the emperor was influenced by the lavish lifestyles of the Hellenistic rulers of Syracuse and Ptolemaic Egypt. Recovered from the lake bed in 1929, the ships were destroyed by fire in 1944 during World War II."

    "Piston pumps (ctesibica machina: Vitruvius X.4?7) supplied the two ships with hot and cold running water via lead pipes. The hot water supplied baths while the cold operated fountains and supplied drinking water. This plumbing technology was later lost and only re-discovered in the Middle Ages."

    "Each ship contained a rotating statue platform. One platform was mounted on caged bronze balls and is the earliest example of the thrust ball bearing previously believed to have been first envisioned by Leonardo da Vinci but only developed much later."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemi_ships


    *boggle eyed emoji*

    Almost as remarkable as their existence is that there was enough left of them to raise in the 1930s and to be destroyed in WWII (by air attack I assume).

    Were they mentioned in I, Claudius, or am I confusing them with the games held on an artificial lake with ships manned by gladiators?
    I think they were mentioned.

    The deep freshwater preserved them. The Romans did have their limits - they sheathed the ships in lead as protection against fouling/wood worm. Which wasn't required in fresh water.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 8,917

    @theousherwood
    Senior Tory who knows the PM well texts: “He wants to fight.”

    Adds that Boris Johnson’s appearance in the tea room post-PMQs shows “operation fight back underway”.

    “His greatest strength is that no one believes Rishi or Liz are the solution.”
    https://twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1481273849606033412

    The Pound Shop Churchill has his darkest hour!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 21,801

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
    I'm no expert, but it will make sense for immune naive people and those who are more at risk. As we are seeing covid is still killing people, some of whom will be in the vaccinated but at risk category, and some are unvaccinated.

    It won't hurt to suppress omicron either, in terms on other effects. We are not seeing omicron vs a naive population, we are seeing it in the UK where most have protection against serious illness through prior infection/vaccination (B and T cells etc etc).

    Not seen the data for this, but presumably omicron is now dominant virtually everywhere. Another variant would need to out-compete or re-infect omicron recovered people, and that may again be at a cost in terms of severity (might not be).

    If original covid had been omicron then decisions about lockdown vs shielding may have been interesting. We don't really know what omicron would have been like without trained immune systems.
    If original COVID has spread like Winne-the-Pooh then we would be looking at the aftermath - it would have been too quick for lockdowns to happen....
    Yes, the effect on spread due to the difference in R between Omicron and Classic Flavour Covid is so huge that it is hard to grasp. The graph of case growth would just have looked like a vertical line.

    An R of 10 (which I think is the lower bound estimated) in a naive population basically makes a mockery of the notion of "doublings"
    I don't doubt any of that, but am still baffled how I have managed to avoid it, given I had a house full all Christmas (20 guests over ten days!) and visited double figures of busy pubs unmasked, then attended an absolutely belting NYE house party.

    How is this even possible if (paging @FrancisUrquhart) man walks into a bar and 200 people catch it?
    There is a lot of anecdotal evidence for some people having natural immunity to COVID. Or at least vastly different susceptibility to catching it.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 8,917
    By the way, Have I missed much this afternoon? How is HYUFD coping the poor chap?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 38,084
    Heathener said:

    Lindsay Hoyle did Starmer a big favour by allowing the lying word to go through but morally he was right to do so.

    It's now the Mail's lead headline: He's lying through his teeth.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10393563/Time-face-music-Boris-PM-braces-Partygate-mauling-Commons.html

    Sharp MPs will realise that this now allows them to say “the public will think that MP X is lying”, driving a coach through the convention. Hence I’d expect this loophole to be closed.
  • Breaking News - Boris Johnson to replace Michael Massi as F1 Race Director

    Mohammed Ben Sulayem is quoted as saying:

    “Johnsons proven ability to skirt around rules, regulations and their interpretations means he’s the perfect man for the job”

    https://twitter.com/EngineMode11/status/1481247982515281924
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 18,144
    Witnesses say the PM, the Saj, Zahawi and Nigel Adams were going table to table in the tearoom rallying stony-faced Tory MPs.

    5 to ten mins per table trying to turn the mood.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1481272671107170307
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,136
    edited January 12

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
    I'm no expert, but it will make sense for immune naive people and those who are more at risk. As we are seeing covid is still killing people, some of whom will be in the vaccinated but at risk category, and some are unvaccinated.

    It won't hurt to suppress omicron either, in terms on other effects. We are not seeing omicron vs a naive population, we are seeing it in the UK where most have protection against serious illness through prior infection/vaccination (B and T cells etc etc).

    Not seen the data for this, but presumably omicron is now dominant virtually everywhere. Another variant would need to out-compete or re-infect omicron recovered people, and that may again be at a cost in terms of severity (might not be).

    If original covid had been omicron then decisions about lockdown vs shielding may have been interesting. We don't really know what omicron would have been like without trained immune systems.
    If original COVID has spread like Winne-the-Pooh then we would be looking at the aftermath - it would have been too quick for lockdowns to happen....
    Yes, the effect on spread due to the difference in R between Omicron and Classic Flavour Covid is so huge that it is hard to grasp. The graph of case growth would just have looked like a vertical line.

    An R of 10 (which I think is the lower bound estimated) in a naive population basically makes a mockery of the notion of "doublings"
    I don't doubt any of that, but am still baffled how I have managed to avoid it, given I had a house full all Christmas (20 guests over ten days!) and visited double figures of busy pubs unmasked, then attended an absolutely belting NYE house party.

    How is this even possible if (paging @FrancisUrquhart) man walks into a bar and 200 people catch it?
    Some people do seem to be immune, of course vaccination helps. You might just be one of those lucky people or you never realised you had it. A large percentage of people have always been asymptotic carriers.

    I have a friend whose kids have had it twice, she is a teacher who has never stopped face to face tuition throughout the pandemic, basically every kid in her classes has had it, she tests every day, and nothing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 21,801

    By the way, Have I missed much this afternoon? How is HYUFD coping the poor chap?

    It's all a Cumming's Coup, apparently.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 15,800

    Not quite Mbappe or Neymar....

    Newcastle United are closing in on the signing of Burnley striker Chris Wood.
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59960367

    "Magpies Get Wood"

    So that's what they get up to on our roof.
  • Professor Peston has looked at the email through his magic mirror..

    Robert Peston
    @Peston
    Just to return to the party-invite email, ahead of the PM’s first PMQs since it was leaked to @PaulBrandITV, it is marked “OFFICIAL-SENSITIVE-No10 only”. Which means it is classified information. But it could only have been sensitive if the party broke the rules. Surely

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1481197686330064896
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,236
    boulay said:

    RobD said:

    If I had invited my entire team to work at my own house on 20 May 2020 (which would have been perfectly possible) then threw a barbecue and drinks do with them in my back garden that same evening, would that have been legal @RobD?

    If so, I wish someone had told me that at the time, as everyone was climbing the bloody walls and would have loved a little jolly.

    Probably not, since it's not your usual place of work (and I don't know if you/they were critical workers).
    I think the issue here is around the invitation. Who gets invited to work?

    Dear Key Worker - Please attend 10 Downing Street and don't forget a bottle.

    If I liked Boris I could make a coherent argument for working in the garden, politics isn't behind a desk which all relate to the post press conference meeting the week before.

    However I cannot get around why anyone networked would need an invite. Finally how cheap is Boris asking people to bring their own booze?

    Re your last sentence, the silly thing is that they were probably thinking “we can’t be seen to be using govt funds for booze for staff in the garden during lockdown” which is essentially the right thing to have done but because they did the right thing it’s made it look worse like some sort of student “bring a bottle” piss up!

    If they had just provided some glasses and white wine it might have passed off as a work thing more easily….
    It's classic civil service - said as a civil servant. Obsession with details but missing the bigger picture!

    Now back to work in endless back to back meetings - even more typical of the civil service!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,136
    Boris claims as believable as....

    The unnamed patient told doctors he “slipped and fell” on the 17cm by 6cm armour-piercing projectile taken from his private arsenal of military collectables.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16923295/bomb-squad-hospital-bottom-shell/
  • ChrisChris Posts: 7,713
    Boris should definitely carry on as the defiant standard-bearer of the Tory party.

    Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.
  • Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    More good news:


    "Out of 52,000 Omicron patients in California..... not a single person went on a ventilator"


    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1481105044258922497?s=20

    I posed a question on the previous thread whether it makes epidemiological sense to mass-vaccinate against this mild variant? (I'm not trying to be provocative – I don't know – I wondered whether experts such as @turbotubbs had a view)
    I'm no expert, but it will make sense for immune naive people and those who are more at risk. As we are seeing covid is still killing people, some of whom will be in the vaccinated but at risk category, and some are unvaccinated.

    It won't hurt to suppress omicron either, in terms on other effects. We are not seeing omicron vs a naive population, we are seeing it in the UK where most have protection against serious illness through prior infection/vaccination (B and T cells etc etc).

    Not seen the data for this, but presumably omicron is now dominant virtually everywhere. Another variant would need to out-compete or re-infect omicron recovered people, and that may again be at a cost in terms of severity (might not be).

    If original covid had been omicron then decisions about lockdown vs shielding may have been interesting. We don't really know what omicron would have been like without trained immune systems.
    If original COVID has spread like Winne-the-Pooh then we would be looking at the aftermath - it would have been too quick for lockdowns to happen....
    Yes, the effect on spread due to the difference in R between Omicron and Classic Flavour Covid is so huge that it is hard to grasp. The graph of case growth would just have looked like a vertical line.

    An R of 10 (which I think is the lower bound estimated) in a naive population basically makes a mockery of the notion of "doublings"
    I don't doubt any of that, but am still baffled how I have managed to avoid it, given I had a house full all Christmas (20 guests over ten days!) and visited double figures of busy pubs unmasked, then attended an absolutely belting NYE house party.

    How is this even possible if (paging @FrancisUrquhart) man walks into a bar and 200 people catch it?
    There is a lot of anecdotal evidence for some people having natural immunity to COVID. Or at least vastly different susceptibility to catching it.
    In our household we now accept that for some reason I am immune. There is no other explanation for my failure to contract the disease.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 5,200
    edited January 12
    Scott_xP said:

    Witnesses say the PM, the Saj, Zahawi and Nigel Adams were going table to table in the tearoom rallying stony-faced Tory MPs.

    5 to ten mins per table trying to turn the mood.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1481272671107170307

    For some reason this sounds like a strip-club. It's given me a flash of Alan's table-dancing scene in leathers, trying to seduce Tony Hairs to get a second series.
  • eekeek Posts: 17,262
    Scott_xP said:

    Witnesses say the PM, the Saj, Zahawi and Nigel Adams were going table to table in the tearoom rallying stony-faced Tory MPs.

    5 to ten mins per table trying to turn the mood.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1481272671107170307

    Adds the question where was Truss given that she was sat next to Boris at PMQs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 68,136

    Professor Peston has looked at the email through his magic mirror..

    Robert Peston
    @Peston
    Just to return to the party-invite email, ahead of the PM’s first PMQs since it was leaked to @PaulBrandITV, it is marked “OFFICIAL-SENSITIVE-No10 only”. Which means it is classified information. But it could only have been sensitive if the party broke the rules. Surely

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1481197686330064896

    God that guy is a total bellend isn't he.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 7,713
    edited January 12

    Boris claims as believable as....

    The unnamed patient told doctors he “slipped and fell” on the 17cm by 6cm armour-piercing projectile taken from his private arsenal of military collectables.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16923295/bomb-squad-hospital-bottom-shell/

    I must admit I hadn't previously heard "taken from his private arsenal".
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