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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    I think there might be a bit of COVID about in Italy....

    A total of 125 passengers who arrived in the northern Indian city of Amritsar on a chartered flight from Italy have tested positive for Covid-19. They were among 179 passengers on the flight from Milan which landed in Amritsar on Wednesday afternoon.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-59894989

    Why is this even news? Of course there is, and of course they did.

    So what?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    edited January 2022
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    Not true at the Olympics, the UN, the G7 and G20. Not true at Westminster either as will be clear if Starmer becomes PM of the UK with SNP and LD support despite another Tory majority in England, as the latest RedfieldWilton poll suggests could happen
    No, but now you mention the Olympics, Team GB is a weird one. It includes Northern Ireland, apparently, but the name implies not. And that reminds me too about Ireland in the rugby union, which covers Northern Ireland. The more you look, the more you see. We really do live in a strangely ill-fitting set of social, political, and legal categories.
    IIRC there's an all-Ireland cricket set up, but not a football one. Class-orientated?
    Speaking of which, England cricket covers Wales and not Scotland.
    It's all very weird.
    It's stranger than that. Scotland used to be a County Cricket Team but (from memory) took umbridge when Durham became a first class county so in 1992 left the TCCB and applied for Associate ICC membership which they got in 1994.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    Weirdly, the Morning Star hardly ran any stories about Stalin's crimes.
    Comparing the front pages





    Same sidebar. Michelle gets a photo.
    She looks prettier than Lord A? Not that I would know.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    That is the obvious but unspoken implication. Tho you went and spake it
    It was a joke.

    If the Chinese had really created the virus then their vaccine wouldn't be less effective than the ones the West created.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Carnyx said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    I thought it quite justifiably got rather a lot of coverage across the media.

    The Labour Party may be a miserable bunch of lowlifes for enobling Ahmed in the same way the Conservatives were for knighting Peter Morrison. Nonetheless I don't really think the Labour Party can be blamed directly for the crimes of Ahmed.
    All fair, but not particularly addressing my point.

    Today the Guardian has a much more minor story about a Tory Peer at the top of the page and the headline makes it all about her being a Tory, when it is equally not relevant.

    Yesterday a significantly worse story was given much less prominance (3rd on the side bar for 3 hours then removed from front page completely), and they never even mentioned Labour in the headline.

    I'm not saying no one covered it. I'm saying the Guardian let their bias show for all to see.
    Was he not removed or suspended from the Labour whip on charging?

    OTOH the Graun is happy to refer in its headline today (UK news) to the 'ex-SNP MP' Ms Ferrier as standing trial, so that doesn't work.
    Thank goodness no one from HMG's party broke any Covid rules!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    MaxPB said:

    Its a good job he had a snafu with his change of phone....

    This paragraph at the very bottom of Geidt's letter to the PM seems very important. He says that if he'd seen the WhatsApp exchange he likely would have found that the PM didn't follow the rules on declaring his interests.

    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1479096989006512129?s=20

    Is Johnson claiming that because he had a new device he couldn't access his old WhatApp messages? For that to be the case he'd surely have had to change the phone number and advise all his WhatsApp contacts of that fact. Seems very odd - why does anyone get a new number with an new device these days?
    No I think he is trying to claim they didn't all transfer over......

    "why does anyone get a new number with an new device these days"

    Actually, there is a really annoying loophole to PAC / moving number system that providers exploit. There are deals which aren't available to existing customers, especially getting the latest phones. If you want to keep your number and get a new phone, they will offer you a worse tariff to "Upgrade".

    The only other way get it is to cancel your contract and sign up. But in doing so, they won't let you do it in the time period that PAC works.
    Buy the phone direct from the manufacturer and go SIM only.
    The reason I know is I had this situation a couple of years ago, but the deal I was trying to "exploit" was just too good when combined with an offer via one of these money back sites.

    I think it was basically as brand new Samsung S10, which cost a £1000 from the manufacturer. You paid £250 upfront and contract is £25 a month, but you got the free wireless earbuds (£150) for pre-ordering via the operator and the money back site was offering the ability to stack offers to get I think £300 back.

    So free phone, free earbuds, tariff £25 a month, while the equivalent sim only deal was more than £25 a month. But I ended up having to change my phone number.
    Sim only deal >£25 pm? You couldn't have looked very hard.
    Mine is over that, though it includes 83 country roaming, Spotify and unlimited 5G data with unlimited tethering included. I think it's good value, though other people might not.
    Who is that with?
  • Never understood why we have a Team GB at the Olympics, when in every major team sport we compete as separate nations:

    • Football
    • Rugby Union
    • Cricket
    • Golf
    • Netball
    • Hockey (outside the Olympics)
    • Rugby League

    The list goes on...

    There's a correlation there, those sports are generally the ones invented or first administered by the UK.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    Weirdly, the Morning Star hardly ran any stories about Stalin's crimes.
    Comparing the front pages





    Same sidebar. Michelle gets a photo.
    Yes, top of sidebar always has a photo in their layout. I would suggest anyone arguing the lower ranks of that sidebar is equal prominance to the top item with a photo is trying a little hard.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    The oddities are fascinating. Like (I think this the case) all postage stamps state their country of origin except those of the UK.

    The Guardian used to be the Manchester Guardian but dropped the local name, without substituting British, English or UK.

    Is part of the problem that the proper name of our state - the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - in no form lends itself to adjectivalising - 'The UK Sun', 'The UKGB+NI Mail' has no ring like 'The Scottish Sun' and to use any other term like British or English is to exclude and divide



  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    "The anarchist Peter Kropotkin called it the “mad summer of 1874”. Thousands of radical students poured out of the universities in Moscow and St Petersburg and journeyed into the countryside to, in the words of the historian Orlando Figes, “start out on a new life with the Russian peasantry”, among whom they hoped to find “a new brotherhood of man”. As I reread Figes’s superb cultural history of Russia, Natasha’s Dance, the episode stood out for certain irresistible modern parallels. The idealistic young students, Figes writes, were “riddled with the guilt of privilege”." (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dostoevsky-wrote-the-book-on-culture-wars-whj7wsp70
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    Guardian on Elphicke:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/03/ex-tory-mp-charlie-elphicke-fails-in-bid-to-appeal-against-jail-term-for-sexual-assault

    Ex-Tory MP fails in bid to appeal against jail term for sexual assault
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022

    Never understood why we have a Team GB at the Olympics, when in every major team sport we compete as separate nations:

    • Football
    • Rugby Union
    • Cricket
    • Golf
    • Netball
    • Hockey (outside the Olympics)
    • Rugby League

    The list goes on...

    There's a correlation there, those sports are generally the ones invented or first administered by the UK.
    And even then it is complicated e.g. Ryder Cup was originally Great Britain vs USA, they let the Europeans join GB because America kept winning. Cricket isn't England, it is England and Wales...
  • eek said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    Not true at the Olympics, the UN, the G7 and G20. Not true at Westminster either as will be clear if Starmer becomes PM of the UK with SNP and LD support despite another Tory majority in England, as the latest RedfieldWilton poll suggests could happen
    No, but now you mention the Olympics, Team GB is a weird one. It includes Northern Ireland, apparently, but the name implies not. And that reminds me too about Ireland in the rugby union, which covers Northern Ireland. The more you look, the more you see. We really do live in a strangely ill-fitting set of social, political, and legal categories.
    IIRC there's an all-Ireland cricket set up, but not a football one. Class-orientated?
    Speaking of which, England cricket covers Wales and not Scotland.
    It's all very weird.
    It's stranger than that. Scotland used to be a County Cricket Team but (from memory) took umbridge when Durham became a first class county so in 1992 left the TCCB and applied for Associate ICC membership which they got in 1994.
    As my Scottish boss says (a huge cricket lover) says the issue with professional/first class cricket in Scotland is that the climate doesn't allow for proper pitches.

    A Scottish county cricket team would be getting 25 point penalties for an unsuitable pitch after every first class game.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited January 2022

    Carnyx said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    I thought it quite justifiably got rather a lot of coverage across the media.

    The Labour Party may be a miserable bunch of lowlifes for enobling Ahmed in the same way the Conservatives were for knighting Peter Morrison. Nonetheless I don't really think the Labour Party can be blamed directly for the crimes of Ahmed.
    All fair, but not particularly addressing my point.

    Today the Guardian has a much more minor story about a Tory Peer at the top of the page and the headline makes it all about her being a Tory, when it is equally not relevant.

    Yesterday a significantly worse story was given much less prominance (3rd on the side bar for 3 hours then removed from front page completely), and they never even mentioned Labour in the headline.

    I'm not saying no one covered it. I'm saying the Guardian let their bias show for all to see.
    Was he not removed or suspended from the Labour whip on charging?

    OTOH the Graun is happy to refer in its headline today (UK news) to the 'ex-SNP MP' Ms Ferrier as standing trial, so that doesn't work.
    Thank goodness no one from HMG's party broke any Covid rules!
    The ex-SNP in the headline is very much as in ex-Norwegian Blue.

    Part of the story is of course how Ms F was pretty summarily told off and dumped by the SNP when her actions came to light (in hindsight, it jmight seem a bit harsh given what we now know about covid brain fog and panic, ditto Mr Cummings: but in their position ...).
  • rcs1000 said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    Weirdly, the Morning Star hardly ran any stories about Stalin's crimes.
    Well, nor did any other newspaper, and even after Muggeridge exposed the full horror of it, many people continued to disbelieve it or play it down.

    On which subject, this is a fascinating 1983 interview with Muggeridge, by a Ukrainian writer and broadcaster:

    https://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/deliberate-diabolical-starvation-malcolm-muggeridge-on-stalins-famine/

    The novelty of this particular famine, what made it so diabolical, is that it was not the result of some catastrophe like a drought or an epidemic. It was the deliberate creation of a bureaucratic mind which demanded the collectivization of agriculture, immediately, as a purely theoretical proposition, without any consideration whatever of the consequences in human suffering.
  • maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    We did but you didn't look hard enough or often enough.
    Wayback machine confirms it was never given the same prominance, despite being much more of a story (conviction vs investigation, single racist message vs multiple child rape).

    This isn't a difficult one.
    It was on the app.

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    We did but you didn't look hard enough or often enough.
    Wayback machine confirms it was never given the same prominance, despite being much more of a story (conviction vs investigation, single racist message vs multiple child rape).

    This isn't a difficult one.
    It was on the app.
    I'm sure it was. I'm not saying they ignored it completely.

    I'm saying they've got a much lesser story about a Tory at the very top of their website, when something far worse about an equivalent Labour figure was pushed down the page.

    Looking again he is also referred to as 'former Peer' with no party affiliation given. It's a pretty open and shut case of political bias. They're the Guardian, it's allowed, no one is forced to buy then, but it is worthy of note.
    You don't look very hard do you?

    Appointed a life peer by Tony Blair, Ahmed resigned from the Labour party in 2013.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/05/former-peer-nazir-ahmed-found-guilty-of-serious-sexual-assault
    Which makes the point vs "Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday." upthread

    Ahmed is neither Labour nor a Lord. But apart from that...
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Its a good job he had a snafu with his change of phone....

    This paragraph at the very bottom of Geidt's letter to the PM seems very important. He says that if he'd seen the WhatsApp exchange he likely would have found that the PM didn't follow the rules on declaring his interests.

    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1479096989006512129?s=20

    Is Johnson claiming that because he had a new device he couldn't access his old WhatApp messages? For that to be the case he'd surely have had to change the phone number and advise all his WhatsApp contacts of that fact. Seems very odd - why does anyone get a new number with an new device these days?
    No I think he is trying to claim they didn't all transfer over......

    "why does anyone get a new number with an new device these days"

    Actually, there is a really annoying loophole to PAC / moving number system that providers exploit. There are deals which aren't available to existing customers, especially getting the latest phones. If you want to keep your number and get a new phone, they will offer you a worse tariff to "Upgrade".

    The only other way get it is to cancel your contract and sign up. But in doing so, they won't let you do it in the time period that PAC works.
    Buy the phone direct from the manufacturer and go SIM only.
    The reason I know is I had this situation a couple of years ago, but the deal I was trying to "exploit" was just too good when combined with an offer via one of these money back sites.

    I think it was basically as brand new Samsung S10, which cost a £1000 from the manufacturer. You paid £250 upfront and contract is £25 a month, but you got the free wireless earbuds (£150) for pre-ordering via the operator and the money back site was offering the ability to stack offers to get I think £300 back.

    So free phone, free earbuds, tariff £25 a month, while the equivalent sim only deal was more than £25 a month. But I ended up having to change my phone number.
    Sim only deal >£25 pm? You couldn't have looked very hard.
    Mine is over that, though it includes 83 country roaming, Spotify and unlimited 5G data with unlimited tethering included. I think it's good value, though other people might not.
    Who is that with?
    It sounds like my Vodafone contract - great (except in parts of Wales) but blooming expensive.
  • tlg86 said:

    Guardian on Elphicke:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/03/ex-tory-mp-charlie-elphicke-fails-in-bid-to-appeal-against-jail-term-for-sexual-assault

    Ex-Tory MP fails in bid to appeal against jail term for sexual assault

    I think that was fair, I thought it was a shocking decision by Theresa May to give him the whip back the day before the 2018 VONC.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    That is the obvious but unspoken implication. Tho you went and spake it
    It was a joke.

    If the Chinese had really created the virus then their vaccine wouldn't be less effective than the ones the West created.
    No. It is quite plausible they bio-engineered the virus, perhaps even as a potential weapon, but it was accidentally leaked before they had an effective vaccine ready

    This might sound unlikely, but there are scientific papers by Chinese military scientists - linked with the Wuhan lab - discussing exactly this scenario: the creation of a novel coronavirus to cripple rival economies. They date, IIRC, from around 2015 onwards

    With China, who knows
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    rcs1000 said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    Weirdly, the Morning Star hardly ran any stories about Stalin's crimes.
    Well, nor did any other newspaper, and even after Muggeridge exposed the full horror of it, many people continued to disbelieve it or play it down.

    On which subject, this is a fascinating 1983 interview with Muggeridge, by a Ukrainian writer and broadcaster:

    https://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/deliberate-diabolical-starvation-malcolm-muggeridge-on-stalins-famine/

    The novelty of this particular famine, what made it so diabolical, is that it was not the result of some catastrophe like a drought or an epidemic. It was the deliberate creation of a bureaucratic mind which demanded the collectivization of agriculture, immediately, as a purely theoretical proposition, without any consideration whatever of the consequences in human suffering.
    There is a strong argument that every famine of the last 100 years has been man made.
  • eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Its a good job he had a snafu with his change of phone....

    This paragraph at the very bottom of Geidt's letter to the PM seems very important. He says that if he'd seen the WhatsApp exchange he likely would have found that the PM didn't follow the rules on declaring his interests.

    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1479096989006512129?s=20

    Is Johnson claiming that because he had a new device he couldn't access his old WhatApp messages? For that to be the case he'd surely have had to change the phone number and advise all his WhatsApp contacts of that fact. Seems very odd - why does anyone get a new number with an new device these days?
    No I think he is trying to claim they didn't all transfer over......

    "why does anyone get a new number with an new device these days"

    Actually, there is a really annoying loophole to PAC / moving number system that providers exploit. There are deals which aren't available to existing customers, especially getting the latest phones. If you want to keep your number and get a new phone, they will offer you a worse tariff to "Upgrade".

    The only other way get it is to cancel your contract and sign up. But in doing so, they won't let you do it in the time period that PAC works.
    Buy the phone direct from the manufacturer and go SIM only.
    The reason I know is I had this situation a couple of years ago, but the deal I was trying to "exploit" was just too good when combined with an offer via one of these money back sites.

    I think it was basically as brand new Samsung S10, which cost a £1000 from the manufacturer. You paid £250 upfront and contract is £25 a month, but you got the free wireless earbuds (£150) for pre-ordering via the operator and the money back site was offering the ability to stack offers to get I think £300 back.

    So free phone, free earbuds, tariff £25 a month, while the equivalent sim only deal was more than £25 a month. But I ended up having to change my phone number.
    Sim only deal >£25 pm? You couldn't have looked very hard.
    Mine is over that, though it includes 83 country roaming, Spotify and unlimited 5G data with unlimited tethering included. I think it's good value, though other people might not.
    Who is that with?
    It sounds like my Vodafone contract - great (except in parts of Wales) but blooming expensive.
    I'm a dual simmer, have a contract with EE and O2, get pretty much excellent coverage between those two, except in rural Wales, and remote Scotland.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    A nominal figure of 11,360 Scotland cases today.

    Week on week that is down over 2000 cases.

    Reporting day figures are fun.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    Chinese covid is a bit crap. Easily beaten by Indian, South African and even Kentish versions. Second division at best.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    maaarsh said:

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    Weirdly, the Morning Star hardly ran any stories about Stalin's crimes.
    Comparing the front pages





    Same sidebar. Michelle gets a photo.
    Yes, top of sidebar always has a photo in their layout. I would suggest anyone arguing the lower ranks of that sidebar is equal prominance to the top item with a photo is trying a little hard.
    Also only one has a party affiliation - compare "Tory peer" and "Former peer".
  • I wonder if anyone has ever given Boris Johnson the benefit of the doubt and not later regretted it.

    There are quite a few Tory Party members, but I suspect that a large number of them might be slowly and uncomfortably coming to the conclusion that they made a massive mistake.
  • eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Its a good job he had a snafu with his change of phone....

    This paragraph at the very bottom of Geidt's letter to the PM seems very important. He says that if he'd seen the WhatsApp exchange he likely would have found that the PM didn't follow the rules on declaring his interests.

    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1479096989006512129?s=20

    Is Johnson claiming that because he had a new device he couldn't access his old WhatApp messages? For that to be the case he'd surely have had to change the phone number and advise all his WhatsApp contacts of that fact. Seems very odd - why does anyone get a new number with an new device these days?
    No I think he is trying to claim they didn't all transfer over......

    "why does anyone get a new number with an new device these days"

    Actually, there is a really annoying loophole to PAC / moving number system that providers exploit. There are deals which aren't available to existing customers, especially getting the latest phones. If you want to keep your number and get a new phone, they will offer you a worse tariff to "Upgrade".

    The only other way get it is to cancel your contract and sign up. But in doing so, they won't let you do it in the time period that PAC works.
    Buy the phone direct from the manufacturer and go SIM only.
    The reason I know is I had this situation a couple of years ago, but the deal I was trying to "exploit" was just too good when combined with an offer via one of these money back sites.

    I think it was basically as brand new Samsung S10, which cost a £1000 from the manufacturer. You paid £250 upfront and contract is £25 a month, but you got the free wireless earbuds (£150) for pre-ordering via the operator and the money back site was offering the ability to stack offers to get I think £300 back.

    So free phone, free earbuds, tariff £25 a month, while the equivalent sim only deal was more than £25 a month. But I ended up having to change my phone number.
    Sim only deal >£25 pm? You couldn't have looked very hard.
    Mine is over that, though it includes 83 country roaming, Spotify and unlimited 5G data with unlimited tethering included. I think it's good value, though other people might not.
    Who is that with?
    It sounds like my Vodafone contract - great (except in parts of Wales) but blooming expensive.
    Can't beat my business contract. £10+VAT a month. Unlimited calls / texts / data / tethering. OK its on Three but their coverage is really good up here.
  • Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    Weirdly, the Morning Star hardly ran any stories about Stalin's crimes.
    Well, nor did any other newspaper, and even after Muggeridge exposed the full horror of it, many people continued to disbelieve it or play it down.

    On which subject, this is a fascinating 1983 interview with Muggeridge, by a Ukrainian writer and broadcaster:

    https://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/deliberate-diabolical-starvation-malcolm-muggeridge-on-stalins-famine/

    The novelty of this particular famine, what made it so diabolical, is that it was not the result of some catastrophe like a drought or an epidemic. It was the deliberate creation of a bureaucratic mind which demanded the collectivization of agriculture, immediately, as a purely theoretical proposition, without any consideration whatever of the consequences in human suffering.
    There is a strong argument that every famine of the last 100 years has been man made.
    A jolly silly argument, especially when used as an apology for Stalin.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    tlg86 said:

    Guardian on Elphicke:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/03/ex-tory-mp-charlie-elphicke-fails-in-bid-to-appeal-against-jail-term-for-sexual-assault

    Ex-Tory MP fails in bid to appeal against jail term for sexual assault

    Ah! It seems one can be an ex-**** MP for 2 years in Graun headlinese, one up from Ms Ferrier.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Leon said:

    That said, I am still a little confused by Chinese behaviour vis-a-vis the virus


    They really are doing some VERY determined disinfecting in Xi'an (and, piquantly, you can briefly see another fogger spazzing out and squirting flame).

    Why? Do they really think this works against an airborne virus? If so, why has no other country disinfected spaces like this? What if it DOES work, and explains China's remarkable success in suppressing Covid-19? We might all be missing a trick

    "xi'an city
    Chinese biochemistry stormtroopers are striking again to sanitize the entire city !
    This time they used an electro-tricycle.
    2022/1/6"

    https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1479010011820920832?s=20

    Well: one would have thought it would work, in that if aerosol droplets of disinfectant come into contact with viral matter, that it will be viral matter that came off worse.

    But.

    I'd question whether it is worth doing in 99.9% of situations. Outside is a pretty hostile environment for Covid anyway.

    If it was an area where there was very poor natural ventilation, no sunlight, and lots of people (but which was frequently empty enough to spray aerosolized disenfectant) then yes, maybe it's a good idea.

    But I would think that would be a very small list of places.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Alistair said:

    A nominal figure of 11,360 Scotland cases today.

    Week on week that is down over 2000 cases.

    Reporting day figures are fun.

    Wales and NI both down as well (in case of NI, clearly due to data dumps last week)
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    edited January 2022

    Never understood why we have a Team GB at the Olympics, when in every major team sport we compete as separate nations:

    • Football
    • Rugby Union
    • Cricket
    • Golf
    • Netball
    • Hockey (outside the Olympics)
    • Rugby League

    The list goes on...

    Firstly, the Olympics isn't really a team sport - there are team events, but the only sense Laura Kenny and Tom Daley are on the same team is that they parade together on the opening day.

    Secondly, some of those examples are questionable (e.g. England's cricket team is technically England and Wales Cricket Board, plus it has often had Scottish players and Irish ones pre-Test status - indeed, Mike Denness was a Scottish England captain).

    Thirdly, the IOC have just always been pretty nervous about doing it - some countries take a very different approach than the UK on countries within countries so there are precedent issues and, given the first point that it only matters in a limited way, there's never been much of a push from the UK.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    edited January 2022

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Its a good job he had a snafu with his change of phone....

    This paragraph at the very bottom of Geidt's letter to the PM seems very important. He says that if he'd seen the WhatsApp exchange he likely would have found that the PM didn't follow the rules on declaring his interests.

    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1479096989006512129?s=20

    Is Johnson claiming that because he had a new device he couldn't access his old WhatApp messages? For that to be the case he'd surely have had to change the phone number and advise all his WhatsApp contacts of that fact. Seems very odd - why does anyone get a new number with an new device these days?
    No I think he is trying to claim they didn't all transfer over......

    "why does anyone get a new number with an new device these days"

    Actually, there is a really annoying loophole to PAC / moving number system that providers exploit. There are deals which aren't available to existing customers, especially getting the latest phones. If you want to keep your number and get a new phone, they will offer you a worse tariff to "Upgrade".

    The only other way get it is to cancel your contract and sign up. But in doing so, they won't let you do it in the time period that PAC works.
    Buy the phone direct from the manufacturer and go SIM only.
    The reason I know is I had this situation a couple of years ago, but the deal I was trying to "exploit" was just too good when combined with an offer via one of these money back sites.

    I think it was basically as brand new Samsung S10, which cost a £1000 from the manufacturer. You paid £250 upfront and contract is £25 a month, but you got the free wireless earbuds (£150) for pre-ordering via the operator and the money back site was offering the ability to stack offers to get I think £300 back.

    So free phone, free earbuds, tariff £25 a month, while the equivalent sim only deal was more than £25 a month. But I ended up having to change my phone number.
    Sim only deal >£25 pm? You couldn't have looked very hard.
    Mine is over that, though it includes 83 country roaming, Spotify and unlimited 5G data with unlimited tethering included. I think it's good value, though other people might not.
    Who is that with?
    It sounds like my Vodafone contract - great (except in parts of Wales) but blooming expensive.
    Can't beat my business contract. £10+VAT a month. Unlimited calls / texts / data / tethering. OK its on Three but their coverage is really good up here.
    Three are utter shits.

    What they do is go a big city or town, stick one 5G mast there, and then launch a blizzard of publicity that we have 5G in x number of cities/towns when one mast is no way near enough to cope with the load.

    When people complain they say, it will be fixed and people end up stuck in 2 year contracts they cannot get out of because they are misleading about coverage.
  • Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond. England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    Been like that for more than a century, actually, even when it comes to central government admin as I commented in the last thread btw.
    I suspect it was originally intended to indicate to Scots that their distinct identity was respected and not subsumed. It was perhaps not foreseen that it might have the reverse effect .
  • eek said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    Not true at the Olympics, the UN, the G7 and G20. Not true at Westminster either as will be clear if Starmer becomes PM of the UK with SNP and LD support despite another Tory majority in England, as the latest RedfieldWilton poll suggests could happen
    No, but now you mention the Olympics, Team GB is a weird one. It includes Northern Ireland, apparently, but the name implies not. And that reminds me too about Ireland in the rugby union, which covers Northern Ireland. The more you look, the more you see. We really do live in a strangely ill-fitting set of social, political, and legal categories.
    IIRC there's an all-Ireland cricket set up, but not a football one. Class-orientated?
    Speaking of which, England cricket covers Wales and not Scotland.
    It's all very weird.
    It's stranger than that. Scotland used to be a County Cricket Team but (from memory) took umbridge when Durham became a first class county so in 1992 left the TCCB and applied for Associate ICC membership which they got in 1994.
    As my Scottish boss says (a huge cricket lover) says the issue with professional/first class cricket in Scotland is that the climate doesn't allow for proper pitches.

    A Scottish county cricket team would be getting 25 point penalties for an unsuitable pitch after every first class game.
    They did play in some ODI "county cricket" tournaments at one point e.g.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Clydesdale_Bank_40
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Interesting data from Wales showing that despite Covid admissions/hospitalisations increasing, total admissions/hospitalisations are not - would be good to have similar data for England
    NB. Hospitals still under v. high pressure due to staff absence & infection control needs.

    https://twitter.com/drraghibali/status/1479105819668987907

    Further fuel on the with/for fire
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited January 2022
    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    All bodies with "Scottish" or "Scotland" that I am aware of have a specific Scotland remit. The SFA looks after football in Scotland; Scottish Water only supplies water to Scotland; NHS Scotland looks after healthcare in Scotland. UK wide bodies such as DHSS and HMRC don't have Scottish versions. Arguably the health service in England should always be referred to as NHS England, Forestry Commission as Forestry England and so on, but it's a bit haphazard.
  • eek said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    Not true at the Olympics, the UN, the G7 and G20. Not true at Westminster either as will be clear if Starmer becomes PM of the UK with SNP and LD support despite another Tory majority in England, as the latest RedfieldWilton poll suggests could happen
    No, but now you mention the Olympics, Team GB is a weird one. It includes Northern Ireland, apparently, but the name implies not. And that reminds me too about Ireland in the rugby union, which covers Northern Ireland. The more you look, the more you see. We really do live in a strangely ill-fitting set of social, political, and legal categories.
    IIRC there's an all-Ireland cricket set up, but not a football one. Class-orientated?
    Speaking of which, England cricket covers Wales and not Scotland.
    It's all very weird.
    It's stranger than that. Scotland used to be a County Cricket Team but (from memory) took umbridge when Durham became a first class county so in 1992 left the TCCB and applied for Associate ICC membership which they got in 1994.
    As my Scottish boss says (a huge cricket lover) says the issue with professional/first class cricket in Scotland is that the climate doesn't allow for proper pitches.

    A Scottish county cricket team would be getting 25 point penalties for an unsuitable pitch after every first class game.
    They did play in some ODI "county cricket" tournaments at one point e.g.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Clydesdale_Bank_40
    That's list A matches, not first class matches.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    eek said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    Not true at the Olympics, the UN, the G7 and G20. Not true at Westminster either as will be clear if Starmer becomes PM of the UK with SNP and LD support despite another Tory majority in England, as the latest RedfieldWilton poll suggests could happen
    No, but now you mention the Olympics, Team GB is a weird one. It includes Northern Ireland, apparently, but the name implies not. And that reminds me too about Ireland in the rugby union, which covers Northern Ireland. The more you look, the more you see. We really do live in a strangely ill-fitting set of social, political, and legal categories.
    Anyone from Northern Ireland has the nice option of picking the team they wish to join when they are first selected.

    A Northern Ireland Boxer, say, can pick to be on either the Irish or GB teams based on personal preference and / or likelihood of selection.
    Ok. But whichever they choose, the name isn't quite right.
    In this case, I think GB is actually short for GB&NI. Which is still incorrect as I think the Manx and Channel Islanders compete for "GB" at the Olympics.
    You're right and wrong. TeamGB is the branding, and the "official" name is as you say. The owner is the British Olympic Association, so we're back to the same issue.
    In any case, I'm not very worried about it, it's just an example of how names can sometimes poorly represent the things they stand for, so the point is unaffected. TeamGB knows itself as TeamGB, deliberately and consciously, it's not just a case of public ignorance. Northern Ireland, like Scotland but more so, is a liminal place that is left undescribed by things which cover it. It's leads to a tiny psychological discontinuity that, I think, makes things like the Brexit border down the Irish sea slightly more possible than it otherwise would have been. It's just one straw on the camel's back, but it is there.
    British Olympic Association? Not really the same because Britain is synonymous with the UK, not with Great Britain. But maybe that is changing as recently HMG has taken to tagging everything UK.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    RobD said:
    These idiots who don't use vaults / hardware wallets, sticking all their massively expensive jpegs in the same wallet that they just go clicking buttons that interact with smart contracts that they don't know what they authorize.
  • maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    We did but you didn't look hard enough or often enough.
    Wayback machine confirms it was never given the same prominance, despite being much more of a story (conviction vs investigation, single racist message vs multiple child rape).

    This isn't a difficult one.
    It was on the app.

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    We did but you didn't look hard enough or often enough.
    Wayback machine confirms it was never given the same prominance, despite being much more of a story (conviction vs investigation, single racist message vs multiple child rape).

    This isn't a difficult one.
    It was on the app.
    I'm sure it was. I'm not saying they ignored it completely.

    I'm saying they've got a much lesser story about a Tory at the very top of their website, when something far worse about an equivalent Labour figure was pushed down the page.

    Looking again he is also referred to as 'former Peer' with no party affiliation given. It's a pretty open and shut case of political bias. They're the Guardian, it's allowed, no one is forced to buy then, but it is worthy of note.
    You don't look very hard do you?

    Appointed a life peer by Tony Blair, Ahmed resigned from the Labour party in 2013.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/05/former-peer-nazir-ahmed-found-guilty-of-serious-sexual-assault
    Which makes the point vs "Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday." upthread

    Ahmed is neither Labour nor a Lord. But apart from that...
    He is still a Lord - he resigned as a member of the House of Lords but retains the title (as has been possible since 2014).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited January 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    That said, I am still a little confused by Chinese behaviour vis-a-vis the virus


    They really are doing some VERY determined disinfecting in Xi'an (and, piquantly, you can briefly see another fogger spazzing out and squirting flame).

    Why? Do they really think this works against an airborne virus? If so, why has no other country disinfected spaces like this? What if it DOES work, and explains China's remarkable success in suppressing Covid-19? We might all be missing a trick

    "xi'an city
    Chinese biochemistry stormtroopers are striking again to sanitize the entire city !
    This time they used an electro-tricycle.
    2022/1/6"

    https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1479010011820920832?s=20

    Well: one would have thought it would work, in that if aerosol droplets of disinfectant come into contact with viral matter, that it will be viral matter that came off worse.

    But.

    I'd question whether it is worth doing in 99.9% of situations. Outside is a pretty hostile environment for Covid anyway.

    If it was an area where there was very poor natural ventilation, no sunlight, and lots of people (but which was frequently empty enough to spray aerosolized disenfectant) then yes, maybe it's a good idea.

    But I would think that would be a very small list of places.
    Yes, it doesn't quite make sense. In internal spaces, sure. But along open roads? Really?

    Incidentally, before I am accused of "scare-mongering" or Sinophobia or whatever, I am completely right about the Chinese coronavirus bioweapon stuff. And it was 2015. Just checked


    "Beijing: A document written by Chinese scientists and health officials before the pandemic in 2015 states that SARS coronaviruses were a "new era of genetic weapons" that could be "artificially manipulated into an emerging human disease virus, then weaponised and unleashed, reported Weekend Australian.

    "The paper titled The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons suggested that World War Three would be fought with biological weapons. The document revealed that Chinese military scientists were discussing the weaponisation of SARS coronaviruses five years before the COVID-19 pandemic. The report by Weekend Australian was published in news.com.au.

    "Peter Jennings, the executive director of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), told news.com.au that the document is as close to a "smoking gun" as we've got.

    "I think this is significant because it clearly shows that Chinese scientists were thinking about military application for different strains of the coronavirus and thinking about how it could be deployed," Jennings said.""


    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chinese-scientists-discussed-weaponising-coronavirus-in-2015-report-2438321


    If you add it all together, the evidence against China and the Wuhan lab is pretty overwhelming. It is quite an achievement, by them, that half the world still thinks it came from a fucking pangolin on a market stall
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    RobD said:
    These idiots who don't use vaults / hardware wallet, sticking all their massively expensive jpegs in the same wallet that they just go clicking buttons with.
    I just copied and pasted the image.

    You wouldn't download a car...
  • maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    We did but you didn't look hard enough or often enough.
    Wayback machine confirms it was never given the same prominance, despite being much more of a story (conviction vs investigation, single racist message vs multiple child rape).

    This isn't a difficult one.
    It was on the app.

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    We did but you didn't look hard enough or often enough.
    Wayback machine confirms it was never given the same prominance, despite being much more of a story (conviction vs investigation, single racist message vs multiple child rape).

    This isn't a difficult one.
    It was on the app.
    I'm sure it was. I'm not saying they ignored it completely.

    I'm saying they've got a much lesser story about a Tory at the very top of their website, when something far worse about an equivalent Labour figure was pushed down the page.

    Looking again he is also referred to as 'former Peer' with no party affiliation given. It's a pretty open and shut case of political bias. They're the Guardian, it's allowed, no one is forced to buy then, but it is worthy of note.
    You don't look very hard do you?

    Appointed a life peer by Tony Blair, Ahmed resigned from the Labour party in 2013.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/05/former-peer-nazir-ahmed-found-guilty-of-serious-sexual-assault
    Which makes the point vs "Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday." upthread

    Ahmed is neither Labour nor a Lord. But apart from that...
    He is still a Lord - he resigned as a member of the House of Lords but retains the title (as has been possible since 2014).
    Appreciate the clarification - thought that people actually resigned their peerages.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    RobD said:

    RobD said:
    These idiots who don't use vaults / hardware wallet, sticking all their massively expensive jpegs in the same wallet that they just go clicking buttons with.
    I just copied and pasted the image.

    You wouldn't download a car...
    The whole NFT space is just scam after scam after scam. As I have said before there is some interesting ideas there, but these stupid profile picture nonsense, all but about 1-2 will be absolutely worthless in no time.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited January 2022

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond. England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    Been like that for more than a century, actually, even when it comes to central government admin as I commented in the last thread btw.
    I suspect it was originally intended to indicate to Scots that their distinct identity was respected and not subsumed. It was perhaps not foreseen that it might have the reverse effect .
    The Scottish Office and admin devolution came in in 1885. Partly to fend off Irish Home Rule-style politics that were developing at the time.

    But naming was also a simple practical measure. No point in calling it (say) the Department for Education as it would only get confused with the one in Whitehall. And, as with North and South Britain, no way was the one in London going to change its name (for economy in not changing the headed notepaper and forms if nothing else). So they just added 'Scottish' to the new and smaller one up north.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    Wow. This place really has turned into Loony Central, hasn't it?
  • Chris said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    Wow. This place really has turned into Loony Central, hasn't it?
    Perhaps you should read on MacDuff.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited January 2022

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    Weirdly, the Morning Star hardly ran any stories about Stalin's crimes.
    Well, nor did any other newspaper, and even after Muggeridge exposed the full horror of it, many people continued to disbelieve it or play it down.

    On which subject, this is a fascinating 1983 interview with Muggeridge, by a Ukrainian writer and broadcaster:

    https://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/deliberate-diabolical-starvation-malcolm-muggeridge-on-stalins-famine/

    The novelty of this particular famine, what made it so diabolical, is that it was not the result of some catastrophe like a drought or an epidemic. It was the deliberate creation of a bureaucratic mind which demanded the collectivization of agriculture, immediately, as a purely theoretical proposition, without any consideration whatever of the consequences in human suffering.
    There is a strong argument that every famine of the last 100 years has been man made.
    A jolly silly argument, especially when used as an apology for Stalin.
    It's not a defence of Stalin. It is an observation that the world is abundent in food and that since the early 20th century to actually have a famine humans have to actively intervene to block food getting to an area.

    It actually shows the monsterousness of Stalin. The USSR would have had the capability of feeding the Ukrainians but actively chose to starve them instead. Ukraine wasn't short of food, it was stolen from them. This is a pattern repeated throughout famines of the 20th century.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    eek said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    Not true at the Olympics, the UN, the G7 and G20. Not true at Westminster either as will be clear if Starmer becomes PM of the UK with SNP and LD support despite another Tory majority in England, as the latest RedfieldWilton poll suggests could happen
    No, but now you mention the Olympics, Team GB is a weird one. It includes Northern Ireland, apparently, but the name implies not. And that reminds me too about Ireland in the rugby union, which covers Northern Ireland. The more you look, the more you see. We really do live in a strangely ill-fitting set of social, political, and legal categories.
    Anyone from Northern Ireland has the nice option of picking the team they wish to join when they are first selected.

    A Northern Ireland Boxer, say, can pick to be on either the Irish or GB teams based on personal preference and / or likelihood of selection.
    Ok. But whichever they choose, the name isn't quite right.
    In this case, I think GB is actually short for GB&NI. Which is still incorrect as I think the Manx and Channel Islanders compete for "GB" at the Olympics.
    You're right and wrong. TeamGB is the branding, and the "official" name is as you say. The owner is the British Olympic Association, so we're back to the same issue.
    In any case, I'm not very worried about it, it's just an example of how names can sometimes poorly represent the things they stand for, so the point is unaffected. TeamGB knows itself as TeamGB, deliberately and consciously, it's not just a case of public ignorance. Northern Ireland, like Scotland but more so, is a liminal place that is left undescribed by things which cover it. It's leads to a tiny psychological discontinuity that, I think, makes things like the Brexit border down the Irish sea slightly more possible than it otherwise would have been. It's just one straw on the camel's back, but it is there.
    British Olympic Association? Not really the same because Britain is synonymous with the UK, not with Great Britain. But maybe that is changing as recently HMG has taken to tagging everything UK.
    Except NI, of course.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    RobD said:
    These idiots who don't use vaults / hardware wallets, sticking all their massively expensive jpegs in the same wallet that they just go clicking buttons that interact with smart contracts that they don't know what they authorize.
    As I said earlier today - it's a lot of clever people doing not particular clever things because this all this crypto stuff is way harder than it should be.

    Given that (NFT especially) is tulip bulb trading I'm keeping a very long way away from it.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Afternoon all :)

    More or less on topic, what are the scenarios under which Rishi Sunak ceases to be Chancellor?

    1) He chooses to go - he simply resigns and walks away.
    2) He is forced to resign because of a scandal involving him or "friends" of his.
    3) He becomes Prime Minister.
    4) Another candidate (Liz Truss perhaps) defeats him and gets the top job - he may well agree to stay in Cabinet for purposes of party unity but is moved perhaps to the FCO to allow one of Truss's key supporters to get the job at No.11.
    5) There is a snap GE which the Conservatives lose.
    6) After poor local election results, Johnson looks for a scapegoat and Rishi Sunak is the choice (as Normal Lamont was in the mid-90s and his downfall was largely due to VAT and energy bills)

    I think we can discount 1,2 and 5 as being "black swan" events. 3 and 4 are dependent on Johnson ceasing to be Prime Minister and if the mood music is right and the Conservative backbenchers, though restless, won't move until nearer the next GE, that leaves the last option - the knife in the back (or the front to be honest).

    I don't doubt Johnson would be that ruthless if he felt it would deflect some of the heat.
  • TimS said:

    FPT because it's too frightening to be allowed to remain there:

    Yes yes I know it's (republished in) the New European, but if anyone fancies being terrified like when they first watched Threads, have a read of this.

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/desk-russie-putin-plan-for-europe-and-ukraine/

    OTH what state is the Russian economy in?
    Probably not as bad as you think. Russia exports "dig and sell" commodities, most notably gas, and as a result has large foreign exchange reserves, recently estimated as $600 billion, which is about three times more than ours, for example.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    All bodies with "Scottish" or "Scotland" that I am aware of have a specific Scotland remit. The SFA looks after football in Scotland; Scottish Water only supplies water to Scotland; NHS Scotland looks after healthcare in Scotland. UK wide bodies such as DHSS and HMRC don't have Scottish versions. Arguably the health service in England should always be referred to as NHS England, Forestry Commission as Forestry England and so on, but it's a bit haphazard.
    NHS used to apply only to England + Wales. We had the Scottish Health Service. Nice and clear. Till a Tory SoSfS changed the name deliberately to muddy the waters.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    Chris said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    Wow. This place really has turned into Loony Central, hasn't it?
    Whoosh.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    edited January 2022
    eek said:

    RobD said:
    These idiots who don't use vaults / hardware wallets, sticking all their massively expensive jpegs in the same wallet that they just go clicking buttons that interact with smart contracts that they don't know what they authorize.
    As I said earlier today - it's a lot of clever people doing not particular clever things because this all this crypto stuff is way harder than it should be.

    Given that (NFT especially) is tulip bulb trading I'm keeping a very long way away from it.
    This is my favourite NFT story.

    A reality TV star who sells her farts in jars has decided to stop selling them, despite making $1,000 per jar. But fans of her work shouldn’t worry too much. She’s still going to sell her farts as non-fungible tokens, more commonly known as NFTs.

    Stephanie Matto, who appeared on the reality TV show “90-Day Fiance” and gained a huge following on TikTok, says she had to go to the hospital recently with gastric complications because she was eating so many high-fiber foods to produce more and more farts.


    https://gizmodo.com/tiktok-star-who-sells-her-farts-in-jars-starts-selling-1848305521
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    Chris said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    Wow. This place really has turned into Loony Central, hasn't it?
    Where do you think the virus originated?
  • Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    That said, I am still a little confused by Chinese behaviour vis-a-vis the virus


    They really are doing some VERY determined disinfecting in Xi'an (and, piquantly, you can briefly see another fogger spazzing out and squirting flame).

    Why? Do they really think this works against an airborne virus? If so, why has no other country disinfected spaces like this? What if it DOES work, and explains China's remarkable success in suppressing Covid-19? We might all be missing a trick

    "xi'an city
    Chinese biochemistry stormtroopers are striking again to sanitize the entire city !
    This time they used an electro-tricycle.
    2022/1/6"

    https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1479010011820920832?s=20

    Well: one would have thought it would work, in that if aerosol droplets of disinfectant come into contact with viral matter, that it will be viral matter that came off worse.

    But.

    I'd question whether it is worth doing in 99.9% of situations. Outside is a pretty hostile environment for Covid anyway.

    If it was an area where there was very poor natural ventilation, no sunlight, and lots of people (but which was frequently empty enough to spray aerosolized disenfectant) then yes, maybe it's a good idea.

    But I would think that would be a very small list of places.
    Yes, it doesn't quite make sense. In internal spaces, sure. But along open roads? Really?

    Incidentally, before I am accused of "scare-mongering" or Sinophobia or whatever, I am completely right about the Chinese coronavirus bioweapon stuff. And it was 2015. Just checked


    "Beijing: A document written by Chinese scientists and health officials before the pandemic in 2015 states that SARS coronaviruses were a "new era of genetic weapons" that could be "artificially manipulated into an emerging human disease virus, then weaponised and unleashed, reported Weekend Australian.

    "The paper titled The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons suggested that World War Three would be fought with biological weapons. The document revealed that Chinese military scientists were discussing the weaponisation of SARS coronaviruses five years before the COVID-19 pandemic. The report by Weekend Australian was published in news.com.au.

    "Peter Jennings, the executive director of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), told news.com.au that the document is as close to a "smoking gun" as we've got.

    "I think this is significant because it clearly shows that Chinese scientists were thinking about military application for different strains of the coronavirus and thinking about how it could be deployed," Jennings said.""


    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chinese-scientists-discussed-weaponising-coronavirus-in-2015-report-2438321


    If you add it all together, the evidence against China and the Wuhan lab is pretty overwhelming. It is quite an achievement, by them, that half the world still thinks it came from a fucking pangolin on a market stall
    Lol. You are such a purveyor of conspiracy. Has it not occurred to you that in despotic regimes most cock ups are, well, just cock ups. Are you sure you are not an anti-vaxxer too? Sympathetic to the plight of No Vax Novak?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    Andy_JS said:

    Chris said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    Wow. This place really has turned into Loony Central, hasn't it?
    Where do you think the virus originated?
    Probably from another species like a bat. The question is whether it passed to humans naturally, or was leaked out of a lab. Something of an astonishing coincidence that the outbreak started right next to a lab where they studied coronaviruses.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Big chance that "my apes were" stolen is a scam to try and get apes for free from people who bought the 'stolen' apes.
  • RobD said:

    Chris said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    Wow. This place really has turned into Loony Central, hasn't it?
    Whoosh.
    Have a bit more respect for the smartest person in the room.
  • Chris said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    Wow. This place really has turned into Loony Central, hasn't it?
    Perhaps you should read on MacDuff.
    A nice little fishing port down the road that my parents have moved to.

    What about it...?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    edited January 2022

    Never understood why we have a Team GB at the Olympics, when in every major team sport we compete as separate nations:

    • Football
    • Rugby Union
    • Cricket
    • Golf
    • Netball
    • Hockey (outside the Olympics)
    • Rugby League

    The list goes on...

    Firstly, the Olympics isn't really a team sport - there are team events, but the only sense Laura Kenny and Tom Daley are on the same team is that they parade together on the opening day.

    Secondly, some of those examples are questionable (e.g. England's cricket team is technically England and Wales Cricket Board, plus it has often had Scottish players and Irish ones pre-Test status - indeed, Mike Denness was a Scottish England captain).

    Thirdly, the IOC have just always been pretty nervous about doing it - some countries take a very different approach than the UK on countries within countries so there are precedent issues and, given the first point that it only matters in a limited way, there's never been much of a push from the UK.
    Also we have the Commonwealth Games which covers most IOC sports and it allows team GB athletes to wear and compete for their "real" flag.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    Alistair said:

    Big chance that "my apes were" stolen is a scam to try and get apes for free from people who bought the 'stolen' apes.

    A scam within a scam? Definitely a cryptocurrency.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    eek said:

    RobD said:
    These idiots who don't use vaults / hardware wallets, sticking all their massively expensive jpegs in the same wallet that they just go clicking buttons that interact with smart contracts that they don't know what they authorize.
    As I said earlier today - it's a lot of clever people doing not particular clever things because this all this crypto stuff is way harder than it should be.

    Given that (NFT especially) is tulip bulb trading I'm keeping a very long way away from it.
    I have said before, I see a lot of this as like the very early internet e-commerce boom. Some of the ideas there are interesting and have value, but the implementation of many are terrible, too costly, far too difficult.

    But the Profile Picture NFT space is the worst, its is really like FIFA Ultimate Team Pack opening. People buy these stupid things that don't really have any value, hoping for a "rare" that they can flip. Then rinse and repeat. The "value" of each project is just based upon which crypto celeb owns it and how much it is being hyped up.
  • Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    Weirdly, the Morning Star hardly ran any stories about Stalin's crimes.
    Comparing the front pages





    Same sidebar. Michelle gets a photo.
    The first one is "UK Edition", the second one is "International", according to the top right corners of the screenshots.

    Would that make any difference to what stories are given prominence?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    O/T

    "The fast and the curious: the rise of the running club
    Catch up with the latest way to socialise"

    https://www.ft.com/content/9a777a67-8d8e-40c5-a03b-286ceab99aa7
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    eek said:

    RobD said:
    These idiots who don't use vaults / hardware wallets, sticking all their massively expensive jpegs in the same wallet that they just go clicking buttons that interact with smart contracts that they don't know what they authorize.
    As I said earlier today - it's a lot of clever people doing not particular clever things because this all this crypto stuff is way harder than it should be.

    Given that (NFT especially) is tulip bulb trading I'm keeping a very long way away from it.
    I have said before, I see a lot of this as like the very early internet e-commerce boom. Some of the ideas there are interesting and have value, but the implementation of many are terrible, too costly, far too difficult.

    But the Profile Picture NFT space is the worst, its is really like FIFA Ultimate Team Pack opening. People buy these stupid things that don't really have any value, hoping for a "rare" that they can flip. Then rinse and repeat. The "value" of each project is just based upon which crypto celeb owns it and how much it is being hyped up.
    NFTs make little sense to me. I read this article and it just sounds like a total scam

    https://antsstyle.medium.com/why-nfts-are-bad-the-long-version-2c16dae145e2
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    Weirdly, the Morning Star hardly ran any stories about Stalin's crimes.
    Well, nor did any other newspaper, and even after Muggeridge exposed the full horror of it, many people continued to disbelieve it or play it down.

    On which subject, this is a fascinating 1983 interview with Muggeridge, by a Ukrainian writer and broadcaster:

    https://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/deliberate-diabolical-starvation-malcolm-muggeridge-on-stalins-famine/

    The novelty of this particular famine, what made it so diabolical, is that it was not the result of some catastrophe like a drought or an epidemic. It was the deliberate creation of a bureaucratic mind which demanded the collectivization of agriculture, immediately, as a purely theoretical proposition, without any consideration whatever of the consequences in human suffering.
    There is a strong argument that every famine of the last 100 years has been man made.
    A jolly silly argument, especially when used as an apology for Stalin.
    It's not a defence of Stalin. It is an observation that the world is abundent in food and that since the early 20th century to actually have a famine humans have to actively intervene to block food getting to an area.

    It actually shows the monsterousness of Stalin. The USSR would have had the capability of feeding the Ukrainians but actively chose to starve them instead. Ukraine wasn't short of food, it was stolen from them. This is a pattern repeated throughout famines of the 20th century.
    Including Bengal during WWII?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    Alistair said:

    Big chance that "my apes were" stolen is a scam to try and get apes for free from people who bought the 'stolen' apes.

    I don't know. There have definitely been "phishing" attacks that have cleared out peoples hot wallets, where they have clicked on a link they think came from a legit source, its says airdrop by connecting wallet or early access mint, and by doing so it interacts with a smart contract that they agree to and it basically say empty wallet.
  • Carnyx said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    All bodies with "Scottish" or "Scotland" that I am aware of have a specific Scotland remit. The SFA looks after football in Scotland; Scottish Water only supplies water to Scotland; NHS Scotland looks after healthcare in Scotland. UK wide bodies such as DHSS and HMRC don't have Scottish versions. Arguably the health service in England should always be referred to as NHS England, Forestry Commission as Forestry England and so on, but it's a bit haphazard.
    NHS used to apply only to England + Wales. We had the Scottish Health Service. Nice and clear. Till a Tory SoSfS changed the name deliberately to muddy the waters.
    I did not know that! I had assumed the National Health Service was national. Hadn't realised that NHS Scotland is not and never has been part of the "NHS" as that is and always has been just England and Wales.

    I have so much to learn about my new country...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    RobD said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    I thought it quite justifiably got rather a lot of coverage across the media.

    The Labour Party may be a miserable bunch of lowlifes for enobling Ahmed in the same way the Conservatives were for knighting Peter Morrison. Nonetheless I don't really think the Labour Party can be blamed directly for the crimes of Ahmed.
    No, and I don’t think anyone is saying that it should be. But there does appear to be a double standard with how they are reported.
    What, you thought Ahmed was splashed all over just because he was Labour?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    Farooq said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    All bodies with "Scottish" or "Scotland" that I am aware of have a specific Scotland remit. The SFA looks after football in Scotland; Scottish Water only supplies water to Scotland; NHS Scotland looks after healthcare in Scotland. UK wide bodies such as DHSS and HMRC don't have Scottish versions. Arguably the health service in England should always be referred to as NHS England, Forestry Commission as Forestry England and so on, but it's a bit haphazard.
    Yes, but the Scottish FA is "The Scottish FA". Whereas the English one is just "The FA". You do see how in a very small way that makes England "normal" and Scotland "other", right?
    Well the FA was the first one, so there wasn't any need to assign a territorial designation at that point.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    RobD said:

    eek said:

    RobD said:
    These idiots who don't use vaults / hardware wallets, sticking all their massively expensive jpegs in the same wallet that they just go clicking buttons that interact with smart contracts that they don't know what they authorize.
    As I said earlier today - it's a lot of clever people doing not particular clever things because this all this crypto stuff is way harder than it should be.

    Given that (NFT especially) is tulip bulb trading I'm keeping a very long way away from it.
    I have said before, I see a lot of this as like the very early internet e-commerce boom. Some of the ideas there are interesting and have value, but the implementation of many are terrible, too costly, far too difficult.

    But the Profile Picture NFT space is the worst, its is really like FIFA Ultimate Team Pack opening. People buy these stupid things that don't really have any value, hoping for a "rare" that they can flip. Then rinse and repeat. The "value" of each project is just based upon which crypto celeb owns it and how much it is being hyped up.
    NFTs make little sense to me. I read this article and it just sounds like a total scam

    https://antsstyle.medium.com/why-nfts-are-bad-the-long-version-2c16dae145e2
    The idea has merit. The idea of being able to prove of origin of a digital item e.g. say a concert ticket or some art work.

    I have seen the band Avenged Sevenfold have gone this route and I see how it would work for them, to have the hardcore fans buy a pass to their "fan club", from which they can then control the distribution of early access tickets, fast pass, backstage entry etc.

    Digital artists can claim prove of ownership and ensure royalties.

    But the current scene is 99.9999999% scam and / or worthless.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    Ryan Bourne

    Mild omicron wave will bring down the Covid police state
    Highly transmissible but less deadly variant destroys case for restrictions on freedom
    . . .

    The jury is out on what the long-term consequences of this experience will be for the role of the state. Yet those seeking to pare back Covid-19 regulations have an unlikely ally: the omicron variant. Its sheer transmissibility is tearing apart the justification for many Covid-19 protocols, whether the public health bureaucracy likes it or not.

    . . .


    The relentless unmanageable spread of this variant is simply unwinding the case for pandemic management policies, while the outbreak experience weakens public tolerance for restrictions. It would be ironic if the biggest Covid-19 wave yet was what delivered the strongest impetus to a fuller return to normality.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/01/06/mild-omicron-wave-will-bring-covid-police-state-public-lose/ (£)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    That is the obvious but unspoken implication. Tho you went and spake it
    Albeit they didn't bother developing a successful way of fighting it with vaccines. But I guess they're subtle like that.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2022
    Alistair said:



    It's not a defence of Stalin. It is an observation that the world is abundent in food and that since the early 20th century to actually have a famine humans have to actively intervene to block food getting to an area.

    It actually shows the monsterousness of Stalin. The USSR would have had the capability of feeding the Ukrainians but actively chose to starve them instead. Ukraine wasn't short of food, it was stolen from them. This is a pattern repeated throughout famines of the 20th century.

    Eh? Ukraine wasn't short of food? You seriously typed that out? And no, it wasn't because it had been stolen (although much of the small amount they did have was), it was because the loony ideology of Stalin had destroyed the production of what had always been a rich agricultural region.

    And as for your first paragraph, it's also completely silly. Famines are caused, usually, by natural events, although the Ukraine one wasn't. You're confusing the cause of the famine with whether someone else should or could have organised relief operations. The world may have had adequate or even abundant food, but not necessarily in places and in a form where it could be distributed easily. And then you're making a further silly error of blaming people, in all cases, for 'blocking' those operations. Sure, you can find some cases where that was true, or at least partially true, but what on earth is the point of trying to reduce the realities of all famines to cartoon-villain nonsense?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited January 2022

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    Weirdly, the Morning Star hardly ran any stories about Stalin's crimes.
    Comparing the front pages





    Same sidebar. Michelle gets a photo.
    The first one is "UK Edition", the second one is "International", according to the top right corners of the screenshots.

    Would that make any difference to what stories are given prominence?
    Home news (such as dodgy and very ex-Labour peers) would be of less interest in the international edition. That is exactly what happens with [edit] Lady Mone as well, when one toggles between editions, on checking just now - her mugshot is scratched and she moves down to the bottom of the headline section.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited January 2022
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    We did but you didn't look hard enough or often enough.
    Wayback machine confirms it was never given the same prominance, despite being much more of a story (conviction vs investigation, single racist message vs multiple child rape).

    This isn't a difficult one.
    It was on the app.
    I'm sure it was. I'm not saying they ignored it completely.

    I'm saying they've got a much lesser story about a Tory at the very top of their website, when something far worse about an equivalent Labour figure was pushed down the page....
    "Equivalent Labour figure" ?

    ...Appointed a life peer by Tony Blair, Ahmed resigned from the Labour party in 2013...
  • Farooq said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    All bodies with "Scottish" or "Scotland" that I am aware of have a specific Scotland remit. The SFA looks after football in Scotland; Scottish Water only supplies water to Scotland; NHS Scotland looks after healthcare in Scotland. UK wide bodies such as DHSS and HMRC don't have Scottish versions. Arguably the health service in England should always be referred to as NHS England, Forestry Commission as Forestry England and so on, but it's a bit haphazard.
    Yes, but the Scottish FA is "The Scottish FA". Whereas the English one is just "The FA". You do see how in a very small way that makes England "normal" and Scotland "other", right?
    The FA is the Football Association of England, Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man. It would be awfully colonial of us to include those separate entities as "England".
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    RobD said:
    These idiots who don't use vaults / hardware wallets, sticking all their massively expensive jpegs in the same wallet that they just go clicking buttons that interact with smart contracts that they don't know what they authorize.
    As I said earlier today - it's a lot of clever people doing not particular clever things because this all this crypto stuff is way harder than it should be.

    Given that (NFT especially) is tulip bulb trading I'm keeping a very long way away from it.
    I have said before, I see a lot of this as like the very early internet e-commerce boom. Some of the ideas there are interesting and have value, but the implementation of many are terrible, too costly, far too difficult.

    But the Profile Picture NFT space is the worst, its is really like FIFA Ultimate Team Pack opening. People buy these stupid things that don't really have any value, hoping for a "rare" that they can flip. Then rinse and repeat. The "value" of each project is just based upon which crypto celeb owns it and how much it is being hyped up.
    NFTs make little sense to me. I read this article and it just sounds like a total scam

    https://antsstyle.medium.com/why-nfts-are-bad-the-long-version-2c16dae145e2
    The idea has merit. The idea of being able to prove of origin of a digital item e.g. say a concert ticket or some art work.

    I have seen the band Avenged Sevenfold have gone this route and I see how it would work for them, to have the hardcore fans buy a pass to their "fan club", from which they can then control the distribution of early access tickets, fast pass, backstage entry etc.

    Digital artists can claim prove of ownership and ensure royalties.

    But the current scene is 99.9999999% scam and / or worthless.
    Can they even do that (prove origin/ownership)? The article linked makes a reasonably compelling case that they can't.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Nigelb said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Guardian front page has 'Tory peer investigated for racist messages' at the top.

    Strangely we didn't get the same prominance for Labour Lord convicted of child rape yesterday.

    We did but you didn't look hard enough or often enough.
    Wayback machine confirms it was never given the same prominance, despite being much more of a story (conviction vs investigation, single racist message vs multiple child rape).

    This isn't a difficult one.
    It was on the app.
    I'm sure it was. I'm not saying they ignored it completely.

    I'm saying they've got a much lesser story about a Tory at the very top of their website, when something far worse about an equivalent Labour figure was pushed down the page....
    "Equivalent Labour figure" ?

    ...Appointed a life peer by Tony Blair, Ahmed resigned from the Labour party in 2013...
    I guess the better way to ask this is if Ahmed was a Tory peer who resigned in 2013 would the headline have read as it did or "former Tory peer Lord Ahmed..."?

    Being the Guardian, my guess is on the latter.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Cases down week on week, mainly due to prior week data dumps but nevertheless either at or near a peak it seems once we get a few days out and look at the speciment date data for around now.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    RobD said:

    Farooq said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    All bodies with "Scottish" or "Scotland" that I am aware of have a specific Scotland remit. The SFA looks after football in Scotland; Scottish Water only supplies water to Scotland; NHS Scotland looks after healthcare in Scotland. UK wide bodies such as DHSS and HMRC don't have Scottish versions. Arguably the health service in England should always be referred to as NHS England, Forestry Commission as Forestry England and so on, but it's a bit haphazard.
    Yes, but the Scottish FA is "The Scottish FA". Whereas the English one is just "The FA". You do see how in a very small way that makes England "normal" and Scotland "other", right?
    Well the FA was the first one, so there wasn't any need to assign a territorial designation at that point.
    OTOH the Scots invented golf at least in its modern form, an d we have the SGA.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Hospital admissions down day on day, total beds occupied growth down to ~400 from ~1000 last week.

    Mechanical ventilation beds down again. All looking excellent.
  • Tory peer Michelle Mone secretly involved in PPE firm she referred to government

    Exclusive: Leaked files suggest Mone and her husband were involved in business given £200m contracts

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/06/tory-peer-michelle-mone-involved-ppe-medpro-government-contracts
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Completely off topic, I stumbled onto the celebrity urban myths site and there are some proper crackers on there. I obviously can't post on here but Joanna Lumley gets a decent showing but the one that made me laugh the most was the one about Adrian Chiles.

    Also, turns out that Una Stubbs' children discouraged her from using the Internet because they feared she would google her name and discover one rumour regarding her...
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    London hospital beds occupied down today compared to yesterday.

    Not surprising given cases peak 10 days ago, but excellent news nonetheless.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    Carnyx said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    All bodies with "Scottish" or "Scotland" that I am aware of have a specific Scotland remit. The SFA looks after football in Scotland; Scottish Water only supplies water to Scotland; NHS Scotland looks after healthcare in Scotland. UK wide bodies such as DHSS and HMRC don't have Scottish versions. Arguably the health service in England should always be referred to as NHS England, Forestry Commission as Forestry England and so on, but it's a bit haphazard.
    NHS used to apply only to England + Wales. We had the Scottish Health Service. Nice and clear. Till a Tory SoSfS changed the name deliberately to muddy the waters.
    I did not know that! I had assumed the National Health Service was national. Hadn't realised that NHS Scotland is not and never has been part of the "NHS" as that is and always has been just England and Wales.

    I have so much to learn about my new country...
    Both developed separately and in parallel, like the C of E and the Episcopalian Kirk. IIRC the SHS began, or was modelled on, or both, the Highlands and Islands district medical service. So in a sense the Scots got there first. But IANAE.
  • RobD said:

    TimS said:

    FPT because it's too frightening to be allowed to remain there:

    Yes yes I know it's (republished in) the New European, but if anyone fancies being terrified like when they first watched Threads, have a read of this.

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/desk-russie-putin-plan-for-europe-and-ukraine/

    I wonder if they'll make a move on Kazakhstan given what is going on there.
    I thought they already had. Wasn't it reported earlier today that Russian security forces had moved into Kazakhstan to support the Government?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    maaarsh said:

    Hospital admissions down day on day, total beds occupied growth down to ~400 from ~1000 last week.

    Mechanical ventilation beds down again. All looking excellent.

    @Heathener will be along with her congratulations and apologies momentarily.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Farooq said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    All bodies with "Scottish" or "Scotland" that I am aware of have a specific Scotland remit. The SFA looks after football in Scotland; Scottish Water only supplies water to Scotland; NHS Scotland looks after healthcare in Scotland. UK wide bodies such as DHSS and HMRC don't have Scottish versions. Arguably the health service in England should always be referred to as NHS England, Forestry Commission as Forestry England and so on, but it's a bit haphazard.
    Yes, but the Scottish FA is "The Scottish FA". Whereas the English one is just "The FA". You do see how in a very small way that makes England "normal" and Scotland "other", right?
    Well the FA was the first one, so there wasn't any need to assign a territorial designation at that point.
    OTOH the Scots invented golf at least in its modern form, an d we have the SGA.
    Oh, come on, you must know that the equivalent to "The FA" in golfing terms is the R&A.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Chris said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PB PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

    Remember the weird "flamethrowers" they are apparently using in Xi'an, creating various theories? - eg they are exterminating rats and mice, or "this is Chinese theatre" - a fake stunt designed to impress the public with the severity of their counter-Covid measures

    One of the first theories was that "this is merely a malfunction" - the foggers can suddenly start shooting out flames. It was greeted skeptically (as it didn't seem to match the behaviour of the users) nonetheless, it turns out, it is almost certainly true. There are several non-suspicious videos of the foggers doing exactly this, malfunctioning and shooting out flame

    This is one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89B6ICOvJ1A&t=32s

    Twitter solved this problem. Social media is not all bad

    You set 'em going, you kill 'em off.
    Alternatively, I am curious, and I just want the truth. You're welcome
    I think the most plausible theory is that the Winter Olympics start next month in Beijing and the Chinese aren't taking any risks.
    I'm not talking about Xi'an per se, I'm referring specifically to their habit of disinfecting entire cities with foggers of all kinds (sometimes enormous tankers doing whole streets in one go)

    No other country - as far as I know - has used this technique. Yet the Chinese have done it from the get-go in Wuhan, and then elsewhere

    Odd

    And they are - if their stats are to be believed - by a distance THE most successful country when it comes to controlling Covid. Perhaps we should all be out with our foggers
    Well the Chinese created the virus, they know how to defeat it.
    Wow. This place really has turned into Loony Central, hasn't it?
    Where do you think the virus originated?
    Probably from another species like a bat. The question is whether it passed to humans naturally, or was leaked out of a lab. Something of an astonishing coincidence that the outbreak started right next to a lab where they studied coronaviruses.
    Not only that, a lab where they studied novel bat coronaviruses AND TRIED TO MAKE THEM NASTIER


    "Explosive, Unearthed Video Shows Peter Daszak Describing ‘Chinese Colleagues’ Developing ‘Killer’ Coronaviruses.

    EcoHealth President Peter Daszak – who [was funded by] Anthony Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease – boast about the “killer” SARS-like coronavirus by China”"


    https://twitter.com/NoPlaceLikeRoam/status/1402596573515763717?s=20
  • MrEd said:

    Completely off topic, I stumbled onto the celebrity urban myths site and there are some proper crackers on there. I obviously can't post on here but Joanna Lumley gets a decent showing but the one that made me laugh the most was the one about Adrian Chiles.

    Also, turns out that Una Stubbs' children discouraged her from using the Internet because they feared she would google her name and discover one rumour regarding her...

    You should sign up to the other PB.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    RobD said:
    These idiots who don't use vaults / hardware wallets, sticking all their massively expensive jpegs in the same wallet that they just go clicking buttons that interact with smart contracts that they don't know what they authorize.
    As I said earlier today - it's a lot of clever people doing not particular clever things because this all this crypto stuff is way harder than it should be.

    Given that (NFT especially) is tulip bulb trading I'm keeping a very long way away from it.
    I have said before, I see a lot of this as like the very early internet e-commerce boom. Some of the ideas there are interesting and have value, but the implementation of many are terrible, too costly, far too difficult.

    But the Profile Picture NFT space is the worst, its is really like FIFA Ultimate Team Pack opening. People buy these stupid things that don't really have any value, hoping for a "rare" that they can flip. Then rinse and repeat. The "value" of each project is just based upon which crypto celeb owns it and how much it is being hyped up.
    NFTs make little sense to me. I read this article and it just sounds like a total scam

    https://antsstyle.medium.com/why-nfts-are-bad-the-long-version-2c16dae145e2
    The idea has merit. The idea of being able to prove of origin of a digital item e.g. say a concert ticket or some art work.

    I have seen the band Avenged Sevenfold have gone this route and I see how it would work for them, to have the hardcore fans buy a pass to their "fan club", from which they can then control the distribution of early access tickets, fast pass, backstage entry etc.

    Digital artists can claim prove of ownership and ensure royalties.

    But the current scene is 99.9999999% scam and / or worthless.
    Can they even do that (prove origin/ownership)? The article linked makes a reasonably compelling case that they can't.
    Yes and no...Things like concert tickets, you can absolutely. The trusted source responsible generate them, make it public the contract which controls them and only token from that contract are valid. People can't really fake that. Somebody can create another set of tickets, but it needs a different smart contract, and the "reader" at the venue should only interact with the smart contract from the trusted source.

    The argument about who really created say a piece of art. Well there is a whole issue about where images are actually stored i.e. not on the blockchain at the moment....but lets say they are, you can encode the details of that image with a unique identifier and it will then leave a mark on the blockchain of creation at that timestamp. It would be for others to claim they hold the original by proving creation before that. All digital artists could take advantage of this. Fakery in NFT is already going on, and people can quickly check who created it first.

    It doesn't solve the problem absolutely, but I can see how the idea could work. Anybody creating digital art / assets for a living could file those works, just like patents are filed for ideas.

    All of this space is messy and certainly not the future in its current form. That doesn't mean there isn't something in some of these ideas.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    maaarsh said:

    Cases down week on week, mainly due to prior week data dumps but nevertheless either at or near a peak it seems once we get a few days out and look at the speciment date data for around now.

    England reported Thursday/Last Thursday is probably as good as any measure to use

    146,604 -> 152,306

    We seem to be near the top of the peak I think
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    RobD said:

    TimS said:

    FPT because it's too frightening to be allowed to remain there:

    Yes yes I know it's (republished in) the New European, but if anyone fancies being terrified like when they first watched Threads, have a read of this.

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/desk-russie-putin-plan-for-europe-and-ukraine/

    I wonder if they'll make a move on Kazakhstan given what is going on there.
    I thought they already had. Wasn't it reported earlier today that Russian security forces had moved into Kazakhstan to support the Government?
    Yep

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/05/kazakhstan-protests-president-threatens-ruthless-crackdown
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    edited January 2022
    UnHerd
    @unherd
    There is a reason why Emmanuel Macron is targeting Valérie Pécresse and not Éric Zemmour or Marine Le Pen

    https://unherd.com/thepost/its-valerie-pecresse-not-zemmour-that-macron-fears/

    Quick overview - Macron wins if Pécresse doesn't come second in the first round. If she does, Macron loses.

    Zemmour, Pécresse and Marine Le Pen are all polling very similar so Macron's needs to do anything he can to get Zemmour or Le Pen into second place without been too obvious about it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited January 2022
    tlg86 said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Farooq said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    FPT:

    eek said:


    The bit that leaps out of me is how everything in Scotland is now prefixed with Scottish....

    That's something that is going to be very hard to fix but continually reinforces that all services are Scottish - without revealing that they only exist because of cross subsidies from other parts of the UK*. Which means it's easy for the Scottish Government to play their rulebook of celebrate success and blame London for the failures.

    * for MalcolmG and co that isn't an invitation to insult or call me wrong - it's a simple fact of life that Governments borrow money.

    The interesting thing about this is how pervasive this is even outside of politics. "National" newspapers prefix "Scottish" before their name. If you talk about "the FA" or the "Premier League", you will be understood as talking about the English FA and English Premier League even if you're in Scotland.
    Scotland is constantly "othered", even by itself. In fact, it's ironically one of the things that unites people from England, Scotland, and beyond: England is the UK, and Scotland is an awkward add-on that sort of is and sort of isn't England.
    All bodies with "Scottish" or "Scotland" that I am aware of have a specific Scotland remit. The SFA looks after football in Scotland; Scottish Water only supplies water to Scotland; NHS Scotland looks after healthcare in Scotland. UK wide bodies such as DHSS and HMRC don't have Scottish versions. Arguably the health service in England should always be referred to as NHS England, Forestry Commission as Forestry England and so on, but it's a bit haphazard.
    Yes, but the Scottish FA is "The Scottish FA". Whereas the English one is just "The FA". You do see how in a very small way that makes England "normal" and Scotland "other", right?
    Well the FA was the first one, so there wasn't any need to assign a territorial designation at that point.
    OTOH the Scots invented golf at least in its modern form, an d we have the SGA.
    Oh, come on, you must know that the equivalent to "The FA" in golfing terms is the R&A.
    Doesn't count for the discussion; not a national body but a private club. I mean, the buggers don't even own anything more than several 19th holes. They don't own the golf courses at St A.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    RobD said:

    TimS said:

    FPT because it's too frightening to be allowed to remain there:

    Yes yes I know it's (republished in) the New European, but if anyone fancies being terrified like when they first watched Threads, have a read of this.

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/desk-russie-putin-plan-for-europe-and-ukraine/

    I wonder if they'll make a move on Kazakhstan given what is going on there.
    I thought they already had. Wasn't it reported earlier today that Russian security forces had moved into Kazakhstan to support the Government?
    Yep

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/05/kazakhstan-protests-president-threatens-ruthless-crackdown
    As predicted on here. The Assad Technique. Sadly, it works. Brutally suppress insurrection, do not "negotiate", do not show weakness
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