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  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,219

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Astounding that more people would put Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels in their top ten than would put Rear Window.

    You people.

    My list is favourite films not already done, and I’m ashamed to admit I haven’t seen Rear Window; I will rectify the error this evening.

    On that subject, has anyone mentioned Twelve Angry Men yet?
    Oh my goodness, Twelve Angry Men is even better than Rear Window.

    But seriously, Rear Window is magical. Everything is spot on. Hitchcock could make magnificent films in incredibly limited settings. See also Rope. I believe both are the same in the way that they're set almost entirely in a single room (or looking out from it).
    That is one of the points of Twelve Angry Men too. It was originally a play, and it works very well on the stage still.

    I will report back on Rear Window once I’ve seen it.
    I hope you love it. If you don't grip your chair at least once the film has failed.
    What is the point of Netflix? Any time I look for a specific film it gives me a range of options of films with the same words in the title, but not the actual film I wanted.

    Amazon Prime it is then…
    We have both and I MUCH prefer Netflix to Amazon Prime. I guess you may prefer the latter if you are happy to pay for stuff.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    But i could equally name 90 other great movies, just as good

    You might be missing the point with that statement :)
    No, I’m making another point. Cinema - although it may be in decline now (some say) - has just been through an epic 60-70 year olden age, with great great movies from all over the world. We have been blessed. Choosing ten is almost a lottery - it’s ten great movies you can remember right now

    In five minutes I will remember ten more, or twenty

    I mean, PREDATOR

    ALIEN

    BLADE RUNNER

    DISTRICT 9

    MARS ATTACKS

    ALIENS

    2001: KUBRICK

    STAR WARS 1

    Are all up there, and that’s just sci-fi
    Of course. These list things are just a pastime. However I'm certainly going to seek out the Death of Stalin which was suggested below.

    So maybe not tope ten films, but films you can watch again and again.

    I think probably the film I've repeatedly watched most is A Bridge Too Far, but as I was trying to limit my selections to one per genre it had to be Lawrence of Arabia, and I have watched that many, many times too. Poor old 'Das Boot' didn't even get a look in and yet that is outstanding too - perhaps though better categorised as a tv series.
    Death of Stalin is a masterpiece
    'tis.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,219
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    But i could equally name 90 other great movies, just as good

    You might be missing the point with that statement :)
    No, I’m making another point. Cinema - although it may be in decline now (some say) - has just been through an epic 60-70 year olden age, with great great movies from all over the world. We have been blessed. Choosing ten is almost a lottery - it’s ten great movies you can remember right now

    In five minutes I will remember ten more, or twenty

    I mean, PREDATOR

    ALIEN

    BLADE RUNNER

    DISTRICT 9

    MARS ATTACKS

    ALIENS

    2001: KUBRICK

    STAR WARS 1

    Are all up there, and that’s just sci-fi
    Of course. These list things are just a pastime. However I'm certainly going to seek out the Death of Stalin which was suggested below.

    So maybe not tope ten films, but films you can watch again and again.

    I think probably the film I've repeatedly watched most is A Bridge Too Far, but as I was trying to limit my selections to one per genre it had to be Lawrence of Arabia, and I have watched that many, many times too. Poor old 'Das Boot' didn't even get a look in and yet that is outstanding too - perhaps though better categorised as a tv series.
    Death of Stalin is a masterpiece
    I'm a massive Iannucci fan but I hated Death of Stalin. What did I miss? I just didn't find it funny at all.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,198
    Coincidentally I was chatting to my wife earlier today - which we still do even though we've been together a while - about which we thought were the best CHRISTMAS movies. I said the usual, she added in the usual, but then she really took me aback with her last one, which was Die Hard. First I've heard of that being considered a Christmas movie but she's adamant it is. People can surprise you sometimes, even those you think you know well.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,698
    edited December 2021
    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    But i could equally name 90 other great movies, just as good

    You might be missing the point with that statement :)
    No, I’m making another point. Cinema - although it may be in decline now (some say) - has just been through an epic 60-70 year olden age, with great great movies from all over the world. We have been blessed. Choosing ten is almost a lottery - it’s ten great movies you can remember right now

    In five minutes I will remember ten more, or twenty

    I mean, PREDATOR

    ALIEN

    BLADE RUNNER

    DISTRICT 9

    MARS ATTACKS

    ALIENS

    2001: KUBRICK

    STAR WARS 1

    Are all up there, and that’s just sci-fi
    Of course. These list things are just a pastime. However I'm certainly going to seek out the Death of Stalin which was suggested below.

    So maybe not tope ten films, but films you can watch again and again.

    I think probably the film I've repeatedly watched most is A Bridge Too Far, but as I was trying to limit my selections to one per genre it had to be Lawrence of Arabia, and I have watched that many, many times too. Poor old 'Das Boot' didn't even get a look in and yet that is outstanding too - perhaps though better categorised as a tv series.
    Death of Stalin is a masterpiece
    I'm a massive Iannucci fan but I hated Death of Stalin. What did I miss? I just didn't find it funny at all.
    What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    kinabalu said:

    Coincidentally I was chatting to my wife earlier today - which we still do even though we've been together a while - about which we thought were the best CHRISTMAS movies. I said the usual, she added in the usual, but then she really took me aback with her last one, which was Die Hard. First I've heard of that being considered a Christmas movie but she's adamant it is. People can surprise you sometimes, even those you think you know well.

    .... BOOM
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,853
    Before anyone panics, there looks to be an element of reporting catch up today.
  • Leon said:

    Musicals


    MY FAIR LADY
    OLIVER
    GUYS AND DOLLS
    ALL THAT JAZZ
    WEST SIDE STORY
    CABARET
    BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY
    BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
    SINGING IN THE RAIN
    BUGSY MALONE

    Dunno about Bohemian Rhapsody. It's a plodding biopic with a great finale which is more-or-less a shot-for-shot remake of Live Aid.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,219
    maaarsh said:

    Pretty crap numbers today,but last couple of thursdays have had weirdly high 3 day delayed returns which may have been fixed this week so we'll have to wait to see if it's a real increase

    Yes - very disappointing. I was expecting under 40K today. It's like they found a bunch in the sofa or something.
  • For anyone unfamiliar with Italian cinema, Fellini's Eight and a Half or Antonioni's fascinatingly cerebral La Notte, both from the '60s, might be an interesting place to start.
  • Just seen that Casino is on youtube as a full free movie in all its glory - Not sure how that has happened but I would take the opportunity if you have never seen it - The start is just so badass!
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    AlistairM said:

    Looking at specimen date cases still seem to be down so hopefully it will be that weirdness unwinding. We will know tomorrow.

    Hospitalisations are going down still but less quickly. Deaths per day about to go under 100 and still coming down.

    Unless Omicron turns out to be a real game-changer - and there's precious little indication of that so far - then there's no reason to suppose that we haven't broken the back of this thing. No comfort for the ongoing trickle of victims, of course, but on a population scale it still looks like Covid is in merciful decline. Keep calm, etc, etc.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770

    Leon said:

    Musicals


    MY FAIR LADY
    OLIVER
    GUYS AND DOLLS
    ALL THAT JAZZ
    WEST SIDE STORY
    CABARET
    BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY
    BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
    SINGING IN THE RAIN
    BUGSY MALONE

    Dunno about Bohemian Rhapsody. It's a plodding biopic with a great finale which is more-or-less a shot-for-shot remake of Live Aid.
    The guy's got a billion points in the bag for correctly identifying the best ever musical, and you're quibbling about some detail of the undercard? (Not seen Bohemian Rhapsody)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,324
    Sorry about earlier

    Cases by specimen date

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    Local R

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  • rcs1000 said:

    So another question: remakes or sequels which are better than the originals?

    I can't think of any ...

    Henry V?
    Madness of King George III . Much better madness than I and II.
    Interesting idea for two potentially hit pre-quels!

    Especially as both I & II were also nuts in their own ways; the first condemned his wife to decades of solitary confinement and (allegedly) had her lover hacked to death: while the second also had significant family issues (to put it most mildly) stating toward the end of his reign that "I lost my eldest son – but I am glad of it ..."

    Casting suggestions? Investor interest?

    And IF you think this is a great idea, how's about becoming one of the early bettors backing the Next Big Thing - the Boris Boar!
  • On musicals - a sequence from an early great:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGNQ7TrVDrg

    It was "pre-code" so when the Myrna Loy character is asked "could you go for a doctor" she replies, "sure, show him in"....
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    Dr Strangelove    Cool hand Luke     Un coeur en hiver   
    High noon    The Manchurian candidate    The French connection   
    The enigma of Kaspar Hauser    Viridiana    Wild Stawberries


    but then I've hardly been to the cinema this century.

  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    pigeon said:

    AlistairM said:

    Looking at specimen date cases still seem to be down so hopefully it will be that weirdness unwinding. We will know tomorrow.

    Hospitalisations are going down still but less quickly. Deaths per day about to go under 100 and still coming down.

    Unless Omicron turns out to be a real game-changer - and there's precious little indication of that so far - then there's no reason to suppose that we haven't broken the back of this thing. No comfort for the ongoing trickle of victims, of course, but on a population scale it still looks like Covid is in merciful decline. Keep calm, etc, etc.
    If the weirdness in the numbers for the last few weeks is unwinding then we should expect to see a big fall in cases tomorrow and Friday (they were 47k and 50k last week). The 50k did at the time seem a surprising outlier.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,324
    Cases summary

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    UK hospitals

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  • South Africa COVID update: Cases surge 571% from last week, testing up 47%

    - New cases: 8,561
    - Average: 3,797 (+1,041)
    - Positivity rate: 16.5% (+6.3)
    - In hospital: 2,550 (+136)
    - In ICU: 235 (+1)
    - New deaths: 28
    - Average: 31 (+1)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,324
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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,912
    edited December 2021
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Musicals


    MY FAIR LADY
    OLIVER
    GUYS AND DOLLS
    ALL THAT JAZZ
    WEST SIDE STORY
    CABARET
    BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY
    BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
    SINGING IN THE RAIN
    BUGSY MALONE

    Dunno about Bohemian Rhapsody. It's a plodding biopic with a great finale which is more-or-less a shot-for-shot remake of Live Aid.
    The guy's got a billion points in the bag for correctly identifying the best ever musical, and you're quibbling about some detail of the undercard? (Not seen Bohemian Rhapsody)
    My Fair Lady the best musical of all time? This is a betting site and you like a film that has horses racing *left-handed* at Royal Ascot? Away with you. :wink:

    ETA and go and watch Bohemian Rhapsody. It's great but should have been better.
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    Age related data

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  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,672
    Ten Top Movies

    Zulu
    The Day of the Jackal
    North by Northwest
    Star Wars
    Back to the Future
    Barry Lyndon
    Airplane
    Wall-E
    The Day the Earth Caught Fire
    Dr Zhivago

  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,164
    edited December 2021
    geoffw said:

    Dr Strangelove    Cool hand Luke     Un coeur en hiver   
    High noon    The Manchurian candidate    The French connection   
    The enigma of Kaspar Hauser    Viridiana    Wild Stawberries


    but then I've hardly been to the cinema this century.

    Some interesting stuff there. Kaspar Hauser is one of Werner Herzog's most interesting films. I also hugely recommend the one about a crazed expedition to the amazon, and his most recent one about Japanese people paid to be social props at public events, fabricating family relationships.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,324
    Age related scaled to 100K

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  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,209

    So another question: remakes or sequels which are better than the originals?

    I can't think of any ...

    The Godfather II.

    Star Trek II.

    Aliens

    Terminator II.
    Paddington 2.
    LOTR was better in the later version.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Musicals


    MY FAIR LADY
    OLIVER
    GUYS AND DOLLS
    ALL THAT JAZZ
    WEST SIDE STORY
    CABARET
    BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY
    BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
    SINGING IN THE RAIN
    BUGSY MALONE

    Dunno about Bohemian Rhapsody. It's a plodding biopic with a great finale which is more-or-less a shot-for-shot remake of Live Aid.
    The guy's got a billion points in the bag for correctly identifying the best ever musical, and you're quibbling about some detail of the undercard? (Not seen Bohemian Rhapsody)
    My Fair Lady the best musical of all time? This is a betting site and you like a film that has horses racing *left-handed* at Royal Ascot? Away with you. :wink:
    I'm all in. I simply love that film. The most beautiful girl ever (Hepburn), the most amusing character ever (Harrison), and the best man ever (Hyde-White). And then you have the father played so magnificently by... can't remember his name.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    Two famous comedies, the Marx Brothers "A Night at the Opera" and Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" were first shown during trying years, 1935 and 1940, respectively.

    Perhaps we could use some more comedies, now.

    (I am not enough of a movie buff to list ten favorites, but I do suggest that those who are include a few more comedies in their lists.)
  • Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    But i could equally name 90 other great movies, just as good

    You might be missing the point with that statement :)
    No, I’m making another point. Cinema - although it may be in decline now (some say) - has just been through an epic 60-70 year olden age, with great great movies from all over the world. We have been blessed. Choosing ten is almost a lottery - it’s ten great movies you can remember right now

    In five minutes I will remember ten more, or twenty

    I mean, PREDATOR

    ALIEN

    BLADE RUNNER

    DISTRICT 9

    MARS ATTACKS

    ALIENS

    2001: KUBRICK

    STAR WARS 1

    Are all up there, and that’s just sci-fi
    Of course. These list things are just a pastime. However I'm certainly going to seek out the Death of Stalin which was suggested below.

    So maybe not tope ten films, but films you can watch again and again.

    I think probably the film I've repeatedly watched most is A Bridge Too Far, but as I was trying to limit my selections to one per genre it had to be Lawrence of Arabia, and I have watched that many, many times too. Poor old 'Das Boot' didn't even get a look in and yet that is outstanding too - perhaps though better categorised as a tv series.
    Death of Stalin is a masterpiece
    I'm a massive Iannucci fan but I hated Death of Stalin. What did I miss? I just didn't find it funny at all.
    I think it was brilliant. It wasn't loud hilarious - it had to be ultra-dark comedy given the subject matter, and that simply can't be laugh a minute. But it superbly conveyed that, behind the horror of the Stalin regime - the purges, the disappearances, the starvation - were petty, flawed individuals playing out absurd games of ambition, settling scores, and arse-covering as if it was a Students Union rather than the Soviet Union. It was classic, razor sharp satire.

    It did assume a level of knowledge, and that probably lost it a lot of popular appeal. Some of it was playing on character traits of people who simply aren't widely known about today.
  • _Andy__Andy_ Posts: 12
    Will there be ANY TV coverage of tomorrow's By-election? ☹️
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,324
    Summary (again)

    No real change - trends continuing...

    The small bump in hospital admissions for the 85+ is interesting - having a further look at that
  • OT this supercold is getting annoying. Coughing up vast quantities of green phlegm, and each cough send razor blades through my throat, and thunderbolts through my brain. I'm voting for any party that pledges free antibiotics through the letterbox.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,209

    EU Commissioner happy.....wonder if the French will be:

    Spoke with Secretary of State Eustice.
    Our continuous efforts with United Kingdom have paid off.
    43 vessels now have the certainty of continuing their fishing activities in Guernsey waters & 40 of them were licensed today.
    Intensified talks continue in good spirit. We touch base in a week.


    https://twitter.com/VSinkevicius/status/1466050195750375443?s=20

    Has Virginijus Sinkevicius escaped from The Life of Brian?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,698

    geoffw said:

    Dr Strangelove    Cool hand Luke     Un coeur en hiver   
    High noon    The Manchurian candidate    The French connection   
    The enigma of Kaspar Hauser    Viridiana    Wild Stawberries


    but then I've hardly been to the cinema this century.

    Some interesting stuff there. Kaspar Hauser is one of Werner Herzog's most interesting films. I also hugely recommend the one about an expedition to the amazon by some sort of cult, and his most recent one about Japanese people paid to be social props at public events, fabricating family relationships.
    Aguirre: Wrath of God is the one on the amazon.

    I recently saw Soy Cuba! on BFI player, a fantastic film.



  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,395
    I see we're all mentally prepared for a winter of watching old films online at home this winter. I'm thankful for the recommendations and glad that I've plenty of yarn to knit, but I do hope it doesn't come to that.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,385
    Can I put in a late bid for Goodfellas? Greatest film and best soundtrack. Ever.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,810

    Two famous comedies, the Marx Brothers "A Night at the Opera" and Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" were first shown during trying years, 1935 and 1940, respectively.

    Perhaps we could use some more comedies, now.

    (I am not enough of a movie buff to list ten favorites, but I do suggest that those who are include a few more comedies in their lists.)

    Most of my favourites are either comedies or at least whimsy-fests. If it's not funny and it's not true, what's the point?
    (I remember the first time I saw a film which wasn't funny but was still utterly gripping - Sleuth, when I was about 14. Jaw-dropping. It changed my perception of film. A bit. But I still get much more enjoyment from films with some light-hearted moments.)
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748

    OT this supercold is getting annoying. Coughing up vast quantities of green phlegm, and each cough send razor blades through my throat, and thunderbolts through my brain. I'm voting for any party that pledges free antibiotics through the letterbox.

    I’d like an $80 mrna vaccine against common cold viruses please. The heart inflammation risk would be worth it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,209
    edited December 2021

    EU Commissioner happy.....wonder if the French will be:

    Spoke with Secretary of State Eustice.
    Our continuous efforts with United Kingdom have paid off.
    43 vessels now have the certainty of continuing their fishing activities in Guernsey waters & 40 of them were licensed today.
    Intensified talks continue in good spirit. We touch base in a week.


    https://twitter.com/VSinkevicius/status/1466050195750375443?s=20

    He won't be happy.

    These are I think 40 more temporary ones until the end of January whilst Macron gets his arse in gear to submit the required evidence and Jersey is prodding his butt with a knitting needle to get him moving; Macron's purpose is to force Jersey / UK to disregard the process required in the FTA.

    https://gsy.bailiwickexpress.com/gsy/news/states-agree-43-french-vessels-can-continue-fish-bailiwick-waters/#.Yae4g9DP1EY

    His aim is reelection, and it is not all of them including the fake ones. He requires either villains or conquests.

    Macron will be doing another entry for the Posturing Prat of Paris 2021 competition.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,698

    Two famous comedies, the Marx Brothers "A Night at the Opera" and Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" were first shown during trying years, 1935 and 1940, respectively.

    Perhaps we could use some more comedies, now.

    (I am not enough of a movie buff to list ten favorites, but I do suggest that those who are include a few more comedies in their lists.)

    I have seen it many times, but Borat gets me laughing every time!
  • Foxy said:

    Two famous comedies, the Marx Brothers "A Night at the Opera" and Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" were first shown during trying years, 1935 and 1940, respectively.

    Perhaps we could use some more comedies, now.

    (I am not enough of a movie buff to list ten favorites, but I do suggest that those who are include a few more comedies in their lists.)

    I have seen it many times, but Borat gets me laughing every time!
    I hope you like it on ConHome.
  • _Andy_ said:

    Will there be ANY TV coverage of tomorrow's By-election? ☹️

    I have to say TV coverage of by-elections has always been a bit sh1te.

    With a General Election, even though the quality of exit polling has taken some fun out of it, there's a steady flow of news, personal dramas, big name scalps and so on.

    With a by-election, they endlessly chat to rather bland talking heads. The defending party explains how it's a tough backdrop but they had a fantastic candidate, and the attacking one is cautiously optimistic but says even a near miss would be a huge slap in the face for the defending party. After about four hours, there is an announcement, and the winner says it's a massive endorsement, while the loser says it's unusual local circumstances with little relevance beyond the constituency boundaries. And that's it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,324

    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    But i could equally name 90 other great movies, just as good

    You might be missing the point with that statement :)
    No, I’m making another point. Cinema - although it may be in decline now (some say) - has just been through an epic 60-70 year olden age, with great great movies from all over the world. We have been blessed. Choosing ten is almost a lottery - it’s ten great movies you can remember right now

    In five minutes I will remember ten more, or twenty

    I mean, PREDATOR

    ALIEN

    BLADE RUNNER

    DISTRICT 9

    MARS ATTACKS

    ALIENS

    2001: KUBRICK

    STAR WARS 1

    Are all up there, and that’s just sci-fi
    Of course. These list things are just a pastime. However I'm certainly going to seek out the Death of Stalin which was suggested below.

    So maybe not tope ten films, but films you can watch again and again.

    I think probably the film I've repeatedly watched most is A Bridge Too Far, but as I was trying to limit my selections to one per genre it had to be Lawrence of Arabia, and I have watched that many, many times too. Poor old 'Das Boot' didn't even get a look in and yet that is outstanding too - perhaps though better categorised as a tv series.
    Death of Stalin is a masterpiece
    I'm a massive Iannucci fan but I hated Death of Stalin. What did I miss? I just didn't find it funny at all.
    I think it was brilliant. It wasn't loud hilarious - it had to be ultra-dark comedy given the subject matter, and that simply can't be laugh a minute. But it superbly conveyed that, behind the horror of the Stalin regime - the purges, the disappearances, the starvation - were petty, flawed individuals playing out absurd games of ambition, settling scores, and arse-covering as if it was a Students Union rather than the Soviet Union. It was classic, razor sharp satire.

    It did assume a level of knowledge, and that probably lost it a lot of popular appeal. Some of it was playing on character traits of people who simply aren't widely known about today.
    I agree - you just have to have the right kind of gallows humour to like it.

    And what the Stalin lovers hated the most was that it reduced the Big Men to a bunch of squabbling jerks - the only grandeur was the body count.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Foxy said:

    Two famous comedies, the Marx Brothers "A Night at the Opera" and Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" were first shown during trying years, 1935 and 1940, respectively.

    Perhaps we could use some more comedies, now.

    (I am not enough of a movie buff to list ten favorites, but I do suggest that those who are include a few more comedies in their lists.)

    I have seen it many times, but Borat gets me laughing every time!
    I preferred Bruno. And neither come close to Ali G Indahouse (best politics film, obviously).
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    edited December 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Sorry but I now can't get this out of my head - 12 Angry Men as PB argument cum jury deliberation. I picture a man called Boris on trial and the charge is "Putting a Border in the Irish Sea". It looks a slam dunk - he did it - and when the jury retire they agree. However it's not quite unanimous. It's 11 to 1 for Guilty. But that one is the indefatigable Philip Thompson - played not by Henry Fonda but by Christian Bale - and he sees it differently. Cue an interminable debate, back & forth, forth & back, as he first refuses to concede and then, slowly, relentlessly, grinds the others down, forces them to say everything 10 times, then rebuts it 10 times, till they are faced with the choice of killing him, which is a world of trouble, or caving in and agreeing. Which they do, they change their vote and Boris goes free.

    Teflon. Modelled on political accountability.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,067
    edited December 2021
    The Shadow Cabinet reshuffle was a clear further shift to isolate the Cobrynites and far left by Starmer with the appointment of the Blairite Lammy as Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Brownite Cooper as Shadow Home Secretary. That does suggest Starmer is making efforts to make Labour more centrist after its heavy defeat in 2019 under Corbyn.

    However, it was also a clear promotion for Remainers. He replaced Nandy with a fervent People's Vote campaigner in Lammy and alongside Starmer and Reeves most of Labour's top team were diehard Remainers until the 2019 general election. Streeting, also a diehard Remainer, meanwhile came into the Shadow Cabinet as Education Secretary.

    How that goes down in 63% Leave Bexley in the by election tomorrow remains to be seen
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,390
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Musicals


    MY FAIR LADY
    OLIVER
    GUYS AND DOLLS
    ALL THAT JAZZ
    WEST SIDE STORY
    CABARET
    BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY
    BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
    SINGING IN THE RAIN
    BUGSY MALONE

    Dunno about Bohemian Rhapsody. It's a plodding biopic with a great finale which is more-or-less a shot-for-shot remake of Live Aid.
    The guy's got a billion points in the bag for correctly identifying the best ever musical, and you're quibbling about some detail of the undercard? (Not seen Bohemian Rhapsody)
    My Fair Lady the best musical of all time? This is a betting site and you like a film that has horses racing *left-handed* at Royal Ascot? Away with you. :wink:
    I'm all in. I simply love that film. The most beautiful girl ever (Hepburn), the most amusing character ever (Harrison), and the best man ever (Hyde-White). And then you have the father played so magnificently by... can't remember his name.
    And amazing costumes (Cecil Beaton?) and amazing songs. What’s not to love?
  • Films that used to be great but now aren't, top 1.

    Taxi Driver.

    I rewatched this classic recently and all the glitter has worn off. It has more-or-less the same plot as Joker, and the lone vigilante is almost a film cliche. You're left with one memorable line and Jodie Foster as an underage pro. Too influential for its own good, perhaps? Oh, and there is an election campaign in the background so good for pb.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,385
    edited December 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Sorry but I now can't get this out of my head - 12 Angry Men as PB argument cum jury deliberation. I picture a man called Boris on trial and the charge is "Putting a Border in the Irish Sea". It looks a slam dunk - he did it - and when the jury retire they agree. However it's not quite unanimous. It's 11 to 1 for Guilty. But that one is the indefatigable Philip Thompson - played not by Henry Fonda but by Christian Bale - and he sees it differently. Cue an interminable debate, back & forth, forth & back, as he first refuses to concede and then, slowly, relentlessly, grinds the others down, forces them to say everything 10 times, then rebuts it 10 times, till they are faced with the choice of killing him, which is a world of trouble, or caving in and agreeing. Which they do, they change their vote and Boris goes free.

    But for PT, as he says repeatedly, dying is part of life. So maybe they take the choice of killing him, and stick with convicting Boris.
    PS: I do hope you weren't thinking of American Psycho in suggesting Christian Bale for the PT role.
  • South Africa COVID update: Cases surge 571% from last week, testing up 47%

    - New cases: 8,561
    - Average: 3,797 (+1,041)
    - Positivity rate: 16.5% (+6.3)
    - In hospital: 2,550 (+136)
    - In ICU: 235 (+1)
    - New deaths: 28
    - Average: 31 (+1)

    That positivity rate is going through the roof. It was 2% last week, 10% by the weekend, now 16%.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Can I put in a late bid for Goodfellas? Greatest film and best soundtrack. Ever.

    Should really have been in my top 10, it probably is - in fact I will replace Waynes World with Goodfellas - I probably know it word for word
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,810
    HYUFD said:

    The Shadow Cabinet reshuffle was a clear further shift to isolate the Cobrynites and far left by Starmer with the appointment of the Blairite Lammy as Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Brownite Cooper as Shadow Home Secretary. That does suggest Starmer is making efforts to make Labour more centrist after its heavy defeat in 2019 under Corbyn.

    However, it was also a clear promotion for Remainers. He replaced Nandy with a fervent People's Vote campaigner in Lammy and alongside Starmer and Reeves most of Labour's top team were diehard Remainers until the 2019 general election. Streeting, also a diehard Remainer, meanwhile came into the Shadow Cabinet as Education Secretary.

    How that goes down in 63% Leave Bexley in the by election tomorrow remains to be seen

    I doubt people look that closely at that sort of thing. Impact likely to be pretty marginal, I would have thought.
  • _Andy_ said:

    Will there be ANY TV coverage of tomorrow's By-election? ☹️

    If the LibDems win it will be wall-to-wall, dusk-to-dawn, coast-to-coast, grinning from ear-to-ear. Just like Cliff Michelmore after Orpington.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,219
    Foxy said:

    Two famous comedies, the Marx Brothers "A Night at the Opera" and Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" were first shown during trying years, 1935 and 1940, respectively.

    Perhaps we could use some more comedies, now.

    (I am not enough of a movie buff to list ten favorites, but I do suggest that those who are include a few more comedies in their lists.)

    I have seen it many times, but Borat gets me laughing every time!
    Bruno had its moments:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ofpRxc0GVg
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,209
    kinabalu said:

    Coincidentally I was chatting to my wife earlier today - which we still do even though we've been together a while - about which we thought were the best CHRISTMAS movies. I said the usual, she added in the usual, but then she really took me aback with her last one, which was Die Hard. First I've heard of that being considered a Christmas movie but she's adamant it is. People can surprise you sometimes, even those you think you know well.

    That's something that PC types have been flapping about for years. It's a perennial on the Guardian's kronky outrage bus.

    Up there with Winterval.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    HYUFD said:

    The Shadow Cabinet reshuffle was a clear further shift to isolate the Cobrynites and far left by Starmer with the appointment of the Blairite Lammy as Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Brownite Cooper as Shadow Home Secretary. That does suggest Starmer is making efforts to make Labour more centrist after its heavy defeat in 2019 under Corbyn.

    However, it was also a clear promotion for Remainers. He replaced Nandy with a fervent People's Vote campaigner in Lammy and alongside Starmer and Reeves most of Labour's top team were diehard Remainers until the 2019 general election. Streeting, also a diehard Remainer, meanwhile came into the Shadow Cabinet as Education Secretary.

    How that goes down in 63% Leave Bexley in the by election tomorrow remains to be seen

    Unlike the last time this was brilliant from Starmer.

    He's managed to get as much wisdom as he can around the table. The left has been hugely weakened, but they'll not point to why.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    Films that used to be great but now aren't, top 1.

    Taxi Driver.

    I rewatched this classic recently and all the glitter has worn off. It has more-or-less the same plot as Joker, and the lone vigilante is almost a film cliche. You're left with one memorable line and Jodie Foster as an underage pro. Too influential for its own good, perhaps? Oh, and there is an election campaign in the background so good for pb.

    Donnie Darko is set during the 1988 US presidential election. I love the dinner table scene...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxvZa6OUJSI
  • Scott_xP said:

    ...

    I bet iSAGE ones is a right hoot...via zoom obvs, a fair trade vegan non-alcoholic wine, discussing the benefits of communism.
  • TOPPING said:

    Mine (today) and likewise off the top of my head:

    Donnie Darko
    Spirited Away
    L&D of Colonel Blimp
    Pulp Fiction
    Trois Couleurs (the trilogy)
    The Birds
    War Requiem
    Citizen Kane
    The Rock
    Death in Venice

    Shit, how could I have forgotten a Matter Of Life And Death?!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    kinabalu said:

    Sorry but I now can't get this out of my head - 12 Angry Men as PB argument cum jury deliberation. I picture a man called Boris on trial and the charge is "Putting a Border in the Irish Sea". It looks a slam dunk - he did it - and when the jury retire they agree. However it's not quite unanimous. It's 11 to 1 for Guilty. But that one is the indefatigable Philip Thompson - played not by Henry Fonda but by Christian Bale - and he sees it differently. Cue an interminable debate, back & forth, forth & back, as he first refuses to concede and then, slowly, relentlessly, grinds the others down, forces them to say everything 10 times, then rebuts it 10 times, till they are faced with the choice of killing him, which is a world of trouble, or caving in and agreeing. Which they do, they change their vote and Boris goes free.

    The Usual Suspects with David Cameron interviewing Khyser Sose (played by Nigel Farage) only to see the words "immigration" over the notice board at the end, the minute after voting closed for the referendum
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,219

    Can I put in a late bid for Goodfellas? Greatest film and best soundtrack. Ever.

    Love Goodfellas. Used to like Once Upon a Time in America as well but I re-watched it early this year and was a tad disappointed with it.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,385
    isam said:

    Can I put in a late bid for Goodfellas? Greatest film and best soundtrack. Ever.

    Should really have been in my top 10, it probably is - in fact I will replace Waynes World with Goodfellas - I probably know it word for word
    Same here - I watch it a few times every year, know it off by heart, but still enjoy it and always find something new in it.
  • Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Shadow Cabinet reshuffle was a clear further shift to isolate the Cobrynites and far left by Starmer with the appointment of the Blairite Lammy as Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Brownite Cooper as Shadow Home Secretary. That does suggest Starmer is making efforts to make Labour more centrist after its heavy defeat in 2019 under Corbyn.

    However, it was also a clear promotion for Remainers. He replaced Nandy with a fervent People's Vote campaigner in Lammy and alongside Starmer and Reeves most of Labour's top team were diehard Remainers until the 2019 general election. Streeting, also a diehard Remainer, meanwhile came into the Shadow Cabinet as Education Secretary.

    How that goes down in 63% Leave Bexley in the by election tomorrow remains to be seen

    Unlike the last time this was brilliant from Starmer.

    He's managed to get as much wisdom as he can around the table. The left has been hugely weakened, but they'll not point to why.
    Starmer's pointless dig at Angela Rayner was an own goal. Labour needs people who can hammer the Tories and whether you like her or not, Rayner has been cutting through. And she is not even that left-wing.
  • Bring back the death penalty for this wanker.

    A man who put superglue on the lock of a Covid-19 vaccination centre, preventing 504 people from getting jabs, has been jailed for 12 weeks.

    Hayden Brown, 53, of Burgh Road, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, squirted glue into the keyhole of the centre's door on 26 November.

    It meant the premises in Lowestoft Road, Gorleston, could not be opened.

    Brown admitted criminal damage and causing a public nuisance at Norwich Magistrates' Court.

    He was arrested on Tuesday after being identified in footage from cameras that had been installed following two previous incidents earlier in November.

    Supt Nathan Clark said that a "large number" of the 504 people who were affected were elderly.

    "This disruption will have caused great anxiety to those who have chosen to be vaccinated and then not able to attend," he said.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-59493747
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,673
    Took my car for a service.

    They fixed a small issue with my ABS apparently


    Anyone But Starmer?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,385
    edited December 2021
    HYUFD said:

    The Shadow Cabinet reshuffle was a clear further shift to isolate the Cobrynites and far left by Starmer with the appointment of the Blairite Lammy as Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Brownite Cooper as Shadow Home Secretary. That does suggest Starmer is making efforts to make Labour more centrist after its heavy defeat in 2019 under Corbyn.

    However, it was also a clear promotion for Remainers. He replaced Nandy with a fervent People's Vote campaigner in Lammy and alongside Starmer and Reeves most of Labour's top team were diehard Remainers until the 2019 general election. Streeting, also a diehard Remainer, meanwhile came into the Shadow Cabinet as Education Secretary.

    How that goes down in 63% Leave Bexley in the by election tomorrow remains to be seen

    It could go down well with 37% Remain Bexley, and that could suffice if enough of the Leavers stay at home or vote RefUK.

    Having said that, I expect a comfortable Tory hold.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,698

    Films that used to be great but now aren't, top 1.

    Taxi Driver.

    I rewatched this classic recently and all the glitter has worn off. It has more-or-less the same plot as Joker, and the lone vigilante is almost a film cliche. You're left with one memorable line and Jodie Foster as an underage pro. Too influential for its own good, perhaps? Oh, and there is an election campaign in the background so good for pb.

    Difficult, as it is a film that has become so well known that it becomes a cliche rather than recognised as the pioneer that it was.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,067
    edited December 2021
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Shadow Cabinet reshuffle was a clear further shift to isolate the Cobrynites and far left by Starmer with the appointment of the Blairite Lammy as Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Brownite Cooper as Shadow Home Secretary. That does suggest Starmer is making efforts to make Labour more centrist after its heavy defeat in 2019 under Corbyn.

    However, it was also a clear promotion for Remainers. He replaced Nandy with a fervent People's Vote campaigner in Lammy and alongside Starmer and Reeves most of Labour's top team were diehard Remainers until the 2019 general election. Streeting, also a diehard Remainer, meanwhile came into the Shadow Cabinet as Education Secretary.

    How that goes down in 63% Leave Bexley in the by election tomorrow remains to be seen

    I doubt people look that closely at that sort of thing. Impact likely to be pretty marginal, I would have thought.
    Likely Labour gains from 2019 Tory voters also likely to be pretty marginal I expect.

    However I do expect Labour to squeeze the LD vote significantly in the by election tomorrow to make up for leftwing voters going Green and the Tories to also lose some votes to ReformUK
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Can I put in a late bid for Goodfellas? Greatest film and best soundtrack. Ever.

    Should really have been in my top 10, it probably is - in fact I will replace Waynes World with Goodfellas - I probably know it word for word
    Same here - I watch it a few times every year, know it off by heart, but still enjoy it and always find something new in it.
    I met a girl called Karen at the V Festival (2000 w Richard Ashcroft headlining) and getting to do endless impressions of Henry Hill saying "KAARRREENN!!!! I can't believe you did that! That's all we had" was as much fun as the snog
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770

    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Shadow Cabinet reshuffle was a clear further shift to isolate the Cobrynites and far left by Starmer with the appointment of the Blairite Lammy as Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Brownite Cooper as Shadow Home Secretary. That does suggest Starmer is making efforts to make Labour more centrist after its heavy defeat in 2019 under Corbyn.

    However, it was also a clear promotion for Remainers. He replaced Nandy with a fervent People's Vote campaigner in Lammy and alongside Starmer and Reeves most of Labour's top team were diehard Remainers until the 2019 general election. Streeting, also a diehard Remainer, meanwhile came into the Shadow Cabinet as Education Secretary.

    How that goes down in 63% Leave Bexley in the by election tomorrow remains to be seen

    Unlike the last time this was brilliant from Starmer.

    He's managed to get as much wisdom as he can around the table. The left has been hugely weakened, but they'll not point to why.
    Starmer's pointless dig at Angela Rayner was an own goal. Labour needs people who can hammer the Tories and whether you like her or not, Rayner has been cutting through. And she is not even that left-wing.
    Ah yes, I totally agree that his handling of Rayner is a bit odd. I suspect that there's something we don't know there.

    Rayner is a capable politician.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,209

    Bring back the death penalty for this wanker.

    A man who put superglue on the lock of a Covid-19 vaccination centre, preventing 504 people from getting jabs, has been jailed for 12 weeks.

    Hayden Brown, 53, of Burgh Road, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, squirted glue into the keyhole of the centre's door on 26 November.

    It meant the premises in Lowestoft Road, Gorleston, could not be opened.

    Brown admitted criminal damage and causing a public nuisance at Norwich Magistrates' Court.

    He was arrested on Tuesday after being identified in footage from cameras that had been installed following two previous incidents earlier in November.

    Supt Nathan Clark said that a "large number" of the 504 people who were affected were elderly.

    "This disruption will have caused great anxiety to those who have chosen to be vaccinated and then not able to attend," he said.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-59493747

    Good on the Court for 3 months in prison.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,121
    edited December 2021

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Musicals


    MY FAIR LADY
    OLIVER
    GUYS AND DOLLS
    ALL THAT JAZZ
    WEST SIDE STORY
    CABARET
    BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY
    BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
    SINGING IN THE RAIN
    BUGSY MALONE

    Dunno about Bohemian Rhapsody. It's a plodding biopic with a great finale which is more-or-less a shot-for-shot remake of Live Aid.
    The guy's got a billion points in the bag for correctly identifying the best ever musical, and you're quibbling about some detail of the undercard? (Not seen Bohemian Rhapsody)
    My Fair Lady the best musical of all time? This is a betting site and you like a film that has horses racing *left-handed* at Royal Ascot? Away with you. :wink:
    It’s good, but The Band Wagon is the ultimate film musical, IMO.
  • HYUFD said:

    The Shadow Cabinet reshuffle was a clear further shift to isolate the Cobrynites and far left by Starmer with the appointment of the Blairite Lammy as Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Brownite Cooper as Shadow Home Secretary. That does suggest Starmer is making efforts to make Labour more centrist after its heavy defeat in 2019 under Corbyn.

    However, it was also a clear promotion for Remainers. He replaced Nandy with a fervent People's Vote campaigner in Lammy and alongside Starmer and Reeves most of Labour's top team were diehard Remainers until the 2019 general election. Streeting, also a diehard Remainer, meanwhile came into the Shadow Cabinet as Education Secretary.

    How that goes down in 63% Leave Bexley in the by election tomorrow remains to be seen

    I broadly agree on centrist aspects, but I'm not really sure on the Remainer bit. Yes, a lot of Labour centrists backed Starmer's (and Corbyn's, but clearly Starmer was the architect) flawed policy of reopening the issue rather than settling Brexit on the best possible terms in 2019. But it's yesterday's debate.

    On Nandy, I don't actually see it as a demotion. Foreign Secretary is one of the great offices of state, but Shadow Foreign Secretary isn't all that much of a thing - you criticise diplomatic missteps, but the big foreign affairs issues are all pinched by your boss, and the policy development issues aren't that huge.

    Nandy is a good tactical choice to shadow Gove - she's a capable operator and does manage to convey a northern authenticity which is tricky for Gove, who is a good in terms of grip on his brief and policy generation ability (hence why he's been brought in to sort out the mess of levelling up, which has never really got beyond the level of Johnson slogan so far), but is a hard to like southerner.
  • MattW said:

    Bring back the death penalty for this wanker.

    A man who put superglue on the lock of a Covid-19 vaccination centre, preventing 504 people from getting jabs, has been jailed for 12 weeks.

    Hayden Brown, 53, of Burgh Road, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, squirted glue into the keyhole of the centre's door on 26 November.

    It meant the premises in Lowestoft Road, Gorleston, could not be opened.

    Brown admitted criminal damage and causing a public nuisance at Norwich Magistrates' Court.

    He was arrested on Tuesday after being identified in footage from cameras that had been installed following two previous incidents earlier in November.

    Supt Nathan Clark said that a "large number" of the 504 people who were affected were elderly.

    "This disruption will have caused great anxiety to those who have chosen to be vaccinated and then not able to attend," he said.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-59493747

    Good on the Court for 3 months in prison.
    Well he'll be out in three weeks on HDC.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,121

    TOPPING said:

    Mine (today) and likewise off the top of my head:

    Donnie Darko
    Spirited Away
    L&D of Colonel Blimp
    Pulp Fiction
    Trois Couleurs (the trilogy)
    The Birds
    War Requiem
    Citizen Kane
    The Rock
    Death in Venice

    Shit, how could I have forgotten a Matter Of Life And Death?!
    That was at the top of my second top ten list.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,698

    isam said:

    Can I put in a late bid for Goodfellas? Greatest film and best soundtrack. Ever.

    Should really have been in my top 10, it probably is - in fact I will replace Waynes World with Goodfellas - I probably know it word for word
    Same here - I watch it a few times every year, know it off by heart, but still enjoy it and always find something new in it.
    The Blues Brothers too, as both musical and comedy.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Either the hospitals in SA start clogging up in about two days or omicron is a mildy as several docs and WHOers are speculating. Not long until we know.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748
    On sequels and remakes.

    Bourne Supremacy > Bourne Identity
    The Departed > Internal Affairs
    Attack of the Clones > Phantom Menace (maybe)

    Also both Spiderman 2 and Spiderman Homecoming are superior to Spiderman 1. Haven’t seen the Garfield ones.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,189
    edited December 2021
    No Trainspotting love? Or The Usual Suspects? Or The Third Man?

    And if we have to have a Wes Anderson movie in there, then it should probably be The Royal Tenanbaums.
  • Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Can I put in a late bid for Goodfellas? Greatest film and best soundtrack. Ever.

    Should really have been in my top 10, it probably is - in fact I will replace Waynes World with Goodfellas - I probably know it word for word
    Same here - I watch it a few times every year, know it off by heart, but still enjoy it and always find something new in it.
    The Blues Brothers too, as both musical and comedy.

    The scene with the penguin broke me.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,698

    MattW said:

    Bring back the death penalty for this wanker.

    A man who put superglue on the lock of a Covid-19 vaccination centre, preventing 504 people from getting jabs, has been jailed for 12 weeks.

    Hayden Brown, 53, of Burgh Road, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, squirted glue into the keyhole of the centre's door on 26 November.

    It meant the premises in Lowestoft Road, Gorleston, could not be opened.

    Brown admitted criminal damage and causing a public nuisance at Norwich Magistrates' Court.

    He was arrested on Tuesday after being identified in footage from cameras that had been installed following two previous incidents earlier in November.

    Supt Nathan Clark said that a "large number" of the 504 people who were affected were elderly.

    "This disruption will have caused great anxiety to those who have chosen to be vaccinated and then not able to attend," he said.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-59493747

    Good on the Court for 3 months in prison.
    Well he'll be out in three weeks on HDC.
    Unless someone superglues the locks...
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,164
    edited December 2021
    Foxy said:

    Films that used to be great but now aren't, top 1.

    Taxi Driver.

    I rewatched this classic recently and all the glitter has worn off. It has more-or-less the same plot as Joker, and the lone vigilante is almost a film cliche. You're left with one memorable line and Jodie Foster as an underage pro. Too influential for its own good, perhaps? Oh, and there is an election campaign in the background so good for pb.

    Difficult, as it is a film that has become so well known that it becomes a cliche rather than recognised as the pioneer that it was.

    The King of Comedy is much the better Scorsese film, I think, from only a couple of years later, but much the less known. I only came it across it again recently because I saw it on MUBI's streaming service, which I hugely recommend to anyone interested in international as well as less commercial cinema, along with the BFI, too .
  • Michael Vaughan: BT Sport will not use ex-England captain for Ashes coverage - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59487760

    How's this going to work? They just going to bleep out every time Vaughan is on?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,855
    edited December 2021

    HYUFD said:

    The Shadow Cabinet reshuffle was a clear further shift to isolate the Cobrynites and far left by Starmer with the appointment of the Blairite Lammy as Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Brownite Cooper as Shadow Home Secretary. That does suggest Starmer is making efforts to make Labour more centrist after its heavy defeat in 2019 under Corbyn.

    However, it was also a clear promotion for Remainers. He replaced Nandy with a fervent People's Vote campaigner in Lammy and alongside Starmer and Reeves most of Labour's top team were diehard Remainers until the 2019 general election. Streeting, also a diehard Remainer, meanwhile came into the Shadow Cabinet as Education Secretary.

    How that goes down in 63% Leave Bexley in the by election tomorrow remains to be seen

    I broadly agree on centrist aspects, but I'm not really sure on the Remainer bit. Yes, a lot of Labour centrists backed Starmer's (and Corbyn's, but clearly Starmer was the architect) flawed policy of reopening the issue rather than settling Brexit on the best possible terms in 2019. But it's yesterday's debate.

    On Nandy, I don't actually see it as a demotion. Foreign Secretary is one of the great offices of state, but Shadow Foreign Secretary isn't all that much of a thing - you criticise diplomatic missteps, but the big foreign affairs issues are all pinched by your boss, and the policy development issues aren't that huge.

    Nandy is a good tactical choice to shadow Gove - she's a capable operator and does manage to convey a northern authenticity which is tricky for Gove, who is a good in terms of grip on his brief and policy generation ability (hence why he's been brought in to sort out the mess of levelling up, which has never really got beyond the level of Johnson slogan so far), but is a hard to like southerner.
    Er, do you come from Thurso? Mr Gove is an Aberdonian by birth and schooling, though I don't know how he has presented himself in recent decades (Scottish independence matters aside), so it's interesting you call him a southerner.
  • rcs1000 said:

    No Trainspotting love?

    Trainspotting 2 for me.

    The scene with the fans of Ranger and their PINs and the scene in the nightclub are so fecking memorable.

    'No more Catholics'
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,670
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Musicals


    MY FAIR LADY
    OLIVER
    GUYS AND DOLLS
    ALL THAT JAZZ
    WEST SIDE STORY
    CABARET
    BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY
    BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
    SINGING IN THE RAIN
    BUGSY MALONE

    Dunno about Bohemian Rhapsody. It's a plodding biopic with a great finale which is more-or-less a shot-for-shot remake of Live Aid.
    The guy's got a billion points in the bag for correctly identifying the best ever musical, and you're quibbling about some detail of the undercard? (Not seen Bohemian Rhapsody)
    My Fair Lady the best musical of all time? This is a betting site and you like a film that has horses racing *left-handed* at Royal Ascot? Away with you. :wink:
    I'm all in. I simply love that film. The most beautiful girl ever (Hepburn), the most amusing character ever (Harrison), and the best man ever (Hyde-White). And then you have the father played so magnificently by... can't remember his name.
    And amazing costumes (Cecil Beaton?) and amazing songs. What’s not to love?
    It was highly misleading as to precipitation patterns in Iberia. Otherwise, nothing much wrong with it.


    Could you class Saturday Night Fever as a musical? I know it became an official one, but that should obviously be ignored.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    rcs1000 said:

    No Trainspotting love? Or The Usual Suspects? Or The Third Man?

    And if we have to have a Wes Anderson movie in there, then it should probably be The Royal Tenanbaums.

    No
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,855
    rcs1000 said:

    No Trainspotting love? Or The Usual Suspects? Or The Third Man?

    And if we have to have a Wes Anderson movie in there, then it should probably be The Royal Tenanbaums.

    Trainspotting 1 for me.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2021

    HYUFD said:

    The Shadow Cabinet reshuffle was a clear further shift to isolate the Cobrynites and far left by Starmer with the appointment of the Blairite Lammy as Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Brownite Cooper as Shadow Home Secretary. That does suggest Starmer is making efforts to make Labour more centrist after its heavy defeat in 2019 under Corbyn.

    However, it was also a clear promotion for Remainers. He replaced Nandy with a fervent People's Vote campaigner in Lammy and alongside Starmer and Reeves most of Labour's top team were diehard Remainers until the 2019 general election. Streeting, also a diehard Remainer, meanwhile came into the Shadow Cabinet as Education Secretary.

    How that goes down in 63% Leave Bexley in the by election tomorrow remains to be seen

    I broadly agree on centrist aspects, but I'm not really sure on the Remainer bit. Yes, a lot of Labour centrists backed Starmer's (and Corbyn's, but clearly Starmer was the architect) flawed policy of reopening the issue rather than settling Brexit on the best possible terms in 2019. But it's yesterday's debate.

    On Nandy, I don't actually see it as a demotion. Foreign Secretary is one of the great offices of state, but Shadow Foreign Secretary isn't all that much of a thing - you criticise diplomatic missteps, but the big foreign affairs issues are all pinched by your boss, and the policy development issues aren't that huge.

    Nandy is a good tactical choice to shadow Gove - she's a capable operator and does manage to convey a northern authenticity which is tricky for Gove, who is a good in terms of grip on his brief and policy generation ability (hence why he's been brought in to sort out the mess of levelling up, which has never really got beyond the level of Johnson slogan so far), but is a hard to like southerner.
    The woman who helped write the Con 2019 Manifesto says Boris is relying on a "Hanging Baskets" strategy - as long as people see their towns looking a bit better than they did in 2019, that is enough. So 40 New Hospitals" might not be true, but if the local hospital has been refurbished, that's a win. Labour can say "But you said there'd be 40 new hospitals" and the Tories will just point to the the local improvements, is the theory. A bit like "we send £350m a week to the EU"
  • kinabalu said:

    Sorry but I now can't get this out of my head - 12 Angry Men as PB argument cum jury deliberation. I picture a man called Boris on trial and the charge is "Putting a Border in the Irish Sea". It looks a slam dunk - he did it - and when the jury retire they agree. However it's not quite unanimous. It's 11 to 1 for Guilty. But that one is the indefatigable Philip Thompson - played not by Henry Fonda but by Christian Bale - and he sees it differently. Cue an interminable debate, back & forth, forth & back, as he first refuses to concede and then, slowly, relentlessly, grinds the others down, forces them to say everything 10 times, then rebuts it 10 times, till they are faced with the choice of killing him, which is a world of trouble, or caving in and agreeing. Which they do, they change their vote and Boris goes free.

    LOL!

    Considering I put all 3 Dark Knight movies in my top 10, I'm quite honoured to be played by Christian Bale.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,698
    rcs1000 said:

    No Trainspotting love?

    Great film.
    moonshine said:

    On sequels and remakes.

    Bourne Supremacy > Bourne Identity
    The Departed > Internal Affairs
    Attack of the Clones > Phantom Menace (maybe)

    Also both Spiderman 2 and Spiderman Homecoming are superior to Spiderman 1. Haven’t seen the Garfield ones.

    ITV4 did the Mad Max season a few weeks back. Mad Max 2 is a great film, though the original is an under recognised gem.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,324
    MattW said:

    Bring back the death penalty for this wanker.

    A man who put superglue on the lock of a Covid-19 vaccination centre, preventing 504 people from getting jabs, has been jailed for 12 weeks.

    Hayden Brown, 53, of Burgh Road, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, squirted glue into the keyhole of the centre's door on 26 November.

    It meant the premises in Lowestoft Road, Gorleston, could not be opened.

    Brown admitted criminal damage and causing a public nuisance at Norwich Magistrates' Court.

    He was arrested on Tuesday after being identified in footage from cameras that had been installed following two previous incidents earlier in November.

    Supt Nathan Clark said that a "large number" of the 504 people who were affected were elderly.

    "This disruption will have caused great anxiety to those who have chosen to be vaccinated and then not able to attend," he said.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-59493747

    Good on the Court for 3 months in prison.
    IIRC no one sentenced to 3 month in prison has done 3 months in prison. In a couple of decades....
  • Leon said:

    Musicals


    MY FAIR LADY
    OLIVER
    GUYS AND DOLLS
    ALL THAT JAZZ
    WEST SIDE STORY
    CABARET
    BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY
    BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
    SINGING IN THE RAIN
    BUGSY MALONE

    Dunno about Bohemian Rhapsody. It's a plodding biopic with a great finale which is more-or-less a shot-for-shot remake of Live Aid.
    I don't get why Remi Malek got an Oscar for lip-synching when Taron Egerton actually sang in Rocketman.

  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748
    rcs1000 said:

    No Trainspotting love? Or The Usual Suspects? Or The Third Man?

    And if we have to have a Wes Anderson movie in there, then it should probably be The Royal Tenanbaums.

    Not enough full on comedies on these lists either. Superbad and Hangover both instant classics of American comedy from recent years. Hot Fuzz I think is the best British comedy since 2000, although I do have a soft spot for Yesterday.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,067
    edited December 2021

    HYUFD said:

    The Shadow Cabinet reshuffle was a clear further shift to isolate the Cobrynites and far left by Starmer with the appointment of the Blairite Lammy as Shadow Foreign Secretary and the Brownite Cooper as Shadow Home Secretary. That does suggest Starmer is making efforts to make Labour more centrist after its heavy defeat in 2019 under Corbyn.

    However, it was also a clear promotion for Remainers. He replaced Nandy with a fervent People's Vote campaigner in Lammy and alongside Starmer and Reeves most of Labour's top team were diehard Remainers until the 2019 general election. Streeting, also a diehard Remainer, meanwhile came into the Shadow Cabinet as Education Secretary.

    How that goes down in 63% Leave Bexley in the by election tomorrow remains to be seen

    I broadly agree on centrist aspects, but I'm not really sure on the Remainer bit. Yes, a lot of Labour centrists backed Starmer's (and Corbyn's, but clearly Starmer was the architect) flawed policy of reopening the issue rather than settling Brexit on the best possible terms in 2019. But it's yesterday's debate.

    On Nandy, I don't actually see it as a demotion. Foreign Secretary is one of the great offices of state, but Shadow Foreign Secretary isn't all that much of a thing - you criticise diplomatic missteps, but the big foreign affairs issues are all pinched by your boss, and the policy development issues aren't that huge.

    Nandy is a good tactical choice to shadow Gove - she's a capable operator and does manage to convey a northern authenticity which is tricky for Gove, who is a good in terms of grip on his brief and policy generation ability (hence why he's been brought in to sort out the mess of levelling up, which has never really got beyond the level of Johnson slogan so far), but is a hard to like southerner.
    The big 3 offices of state are Foreign, Home and Chancellor, it was a demotion for Nandy with Starmer just giving her the levelling up job as a consolation prize. The fact Nandy, who accepted the Brexit result, was replaced with a People's Vote campaigner in Lammy was a clear shift to a more Remain stance by the Labour leadership. That suggests Brexit is far from over, if Starmer becomes PM with SNP and LD support it would be a much more diluted Brexit with the UK closely aligned to both the SM and CU.

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