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CON MP and PBer, Aaron Bell, doesn’t back Bojo on Patterson – politicalbetting.com
CON MP and PBer, Aaron Bell, doesn’t back Bojo on Patterson – politicalbetting.com
The hugely controversial move by Johnson to overthrow an independent inquiry that found ex-cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules has been passed by MPs. Patterson had faced a 30 day suspension which could have opened the door to a recall petition.
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Nice to see Aaron Bell is one of the few unwilling to swallow the bilge.
On that basis it is right the Leadsom amendment went through
I would have joined Aaron had I been an mp
Letters from Owen (writing as an MP) lobbying for items requested by companies who had paid him money while not explicitly mentioning the actual relationship between him and the companies he was writing on behalf of.
I don't see any character witness being required.
Worse, he then uses the suicide of his wife to justify not being punished for his crime.
That last bit is in my eyes almost as bad as the initial crime - it's a woe is me attempt to avoid punishment.
The whole point of an independent standards process is that it is not at the whim of Parliament or government. Now it is no longer independent.
Every MP voting for the amendment today is now an accessory to corruption.
You told us way back that a Tory majority means they can do what they like and don’t have to listen to anyone other than Tory voters.
Today they proved it.
Even a suspended cleaner would have been allowed that under employment tribunal law.
If we are no longer going to solely leave MPs to be accountable to their constituents or their local parties before or at general elections but subject to sanctions from Parliament and then potential recall mid Parliament they must be allowed the same employment law rights in full everyone else in the workforce has
I think you DO know what woke is, but wish to suggest it doesn’t exist as it is not easy to define simply.
My example is a student requesting I not use the term ‘men’ when discussing the science of prostate cancer. To me, only men have a prostate, but I suspect I could get into hot water by saying this.
Conviction under Section 10 of the Parliamentary Standards Act is also a process through which the MP can appeal and presumably call witnesses to affirm his/her innocence.
We then have the suspension clause which only comes into effect if the suspension from the Committee on Standards is longer than 10 sitting days, There is where my lack of knowledge of the process exists - does an MP not have the right of appeal to the Committee of Standards and can an MP not bring evidence to the Committee in support of their innocence?
If the answer is no, you have a point but if the answer is yes, frankly you don't as the process (with its appeal elements) will have been undertaken. If of course an MP has no right of appeal to the Committee on Standards, that seems curious to this observer and is a different question worth considering.
In a way that's actually more disturbing of course, as it implies he believes the BS he usually ends up posting through carelessness.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321801#female-prostate-cancer
Many of those on term contracts are highly paid consultants earning more than MPs do per hour, moving from contract to contract. Many top public servants also get big payoffs if they leave
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56281781
https://www.union-news.co.uk/civil-servant-sacked-by-cummings-to-receive-pay-off/
The fact is that there is a whistleblowing exemption to the rules and even the Report acknowledged that what he did fell under it at least once. He says he did what he did for public health, which is possibly why former Health Secretary and Chair of the Health Select Committee Jeremy Hunt signed the amendment.
If the issue is to be determined whether this was a public health issue and he was entitled to act as he did within the rules, then proper examination and cross-examination of the witnesses is a part of due process.
So now your reason why Owen abused his position as an MP is because he saw other people earning more and thought I want some of that.
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They are generally for girls, saying that if he chose to wear one I obviously wouldn't care! Let people wear what they like! This, however, reeks of SNP obsession with childrens gender identity which has no place in young childrens educational setting, imo.
Would they have lost if they hadn't whipped the vote? How much by? 50, 100?
Yet he hasn't.....
It's not a stupid approach.
Puts them in a tricky position when the PM does something like this, though.
Breast cancer is a different kettle of fish, both men and women have breast tissue, and can indeed get breast cancer.
I went to a meeting today in Guildford - my first work-related trip for three weeks.
I'm travelling at what I used to consider the middle of commuting time - 7.30am down from West Ham to Waterloo on the Jubilee Line. The tube - quiet, plenty of seats. Far more people getting on at Canary Wharf than off but still a long way from the sardine journeys of pre-Covid days with only a few standing.
This evening - I get the drain up from Waterloo at 4.50pm - we pull into Bank and the platform has six people on it - in pre-Covid days, they'd have ben five deep and it was a real fight to get out of Bank. Even the District Line home from Cannon Street at 5pm was quiet - plenty of seats, more like mid morning than rush hour.
I have to say Mrs Stodge's experience from yesterday wasn't the same but she had some travel misfortune which meant an 8-minute wait at East Ham in the morning so her tube at 8.15am was crowded.
What's happening? There are more commuters travelling but we're still a long way from pre-Covid numbers. The "rush hour" has collapsed back to a shorter time. It's obvious there's a huge divide between the homeworkers and the other morning commuters (those in retail, construction workers etc). I must confess the allure of the commute on a cold winter's morning doesn't have the lustre it once did. Perhaps some have abandoned public transport out of fear and have gone back to their cars even with motorway protesters and rising fuel prices.
There's still a lot of propaganda out there extoling the virtues of returning to the office etc but the truth (or the perception I don't know) is different. Hybrid working rather than outright full time home working is here and here to stay. The office I visited was boasting about an occupancy rate of 30% - that's not much to boast about in all honesty.
I realise my experience is totally mine - plenty will no doubt assert they are back full time in full offices working just as they did before the virus. Perhaps - that's just not what I saw today.
"Lock 'em up and throw away the key". I am sure circa 250 Conservative MPs would agree with that sentiment too.
This is a massive political own goal
Edit: but the bed/root of the nail could well become cancerous; it;s always growing, after all.
One the the things I wish more people understood is that the term ‘cancer’ is actually rubbish, as it covers so many different diseases. When I was being treated for leukaemia I encounter a chap I knew who being treated for prostate cancer. He naively assumed that all ‘cancer’ treatment was the same, and didn’t understand why I wasn’t having six weeks of radiotherapy like him.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-the-owen-paterson-tory-sleaze-row-is-about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
Did Paterson vote in the Division today? Can’t, ATOW, find out.
Among the MPs who have signed Leadsom’s amendment, six have had allegations against them upheld by the standards commissioner since last year. Stone has also been very critical of the Prime Minister – including his delay in saying who paid for his 2019 Christmas holiday to the Caribbean – with Johnson warned that he has an ‘over-casual attitude towards obeying the rules of the House’.
It won’t take much for this to move to a much wider debate about whether the government and Tory party is attempting to rig the system to avoid scrutiny and look after their own.
*Yes, indeed.
Which given what I'm about to launch will probably be rather often...
The way the process is being changed is wrong.
Adding an appeal process to the Committee on Standards is actually a good idea, IMHO, but that is not what is happening here.
Unless, of course, he voted against!
But he really, really should NOT have voted either way!
Change the system if it is wrong but to do it to prevent Paterson taking his punishment is breathtakingly wrong
So if as they have the MPs decline to confirm the report until an appeal is held, then that's not changing the process, its them exercising their discretion they already had a right to do under the existing system.
Conservatives have now voted to protect a colleague who received exactly 1000 times that from private companies and was then found by an all-party committee to have broken the rules on lobbying.
Having a large majority and a polling lead is encouraging the Government to think it can get away with anything. I suspect that will turn out not to be true for much longer.
However, the old quis custodiet, ipsos custodes (Please correct me, classics scholars, if required) principle does come to mind.
To be honest, does anyone believe the recall would have reached the numbers and even if it had, would the Conservatives be in any serious danger of losing the seat where Paterson is hanging on by his fingertips to a 23,000 majority (50% more than Chesham & Amersham)?
Wokeness is what lost Virginia for the Dems yesterday. In this case, quite specifically: the teaching of Critical Race Theory in Virginian schools, and an alleged rape in a school that was apparently hushed-up, because Trans issues
Night night PBers - I'll check in tomorrow as I promised.
Stands for "What's It Going To Take?"
As an example, if self-preservation has led to people abandoning public transport for their cars (with all the consequent environmental impact) WIGTT to get them back on trains, tubes and buses (which are cleaner than they've ever been)?
Bearing in mind some Labour MPs did jail time for the expenses scandal. Is being paid to ask questions in the house unlawful? Genuine question.
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From a highup at Eurotunnel predicting chaos.
Any thoughts?
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/etias-eurostar-eurotunnel-visa-europe-eu-b1949849.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/03/capita-pays-compensation-family-woman-who-died-after-benefits-cut-philippa-day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_parliamentary_expenses_scandal#Criminal_charges