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Re: The jury’s out – politicalbetting.com
I don't have the time this evening.It's a stupid proposal by Leveson.Reading the report again, it's a discussion outwith the formal scope of the review.
For the reasons set out here the last time something similar was suggested - https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/06/24/12-good-men/
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/review-of-efficiency-in-criminal-proceedings-20151.pdf
He's not recommending that juries be dispensed with; rather that the issue of judge led trials be revisited (though he's clearly quite keen on the idea).
I think he's reasonably fair in setting out the arguments on both sides, and would be interested if that is, or isn't how you see it.
(Edit ... if you have the time; it's quite a long read.)
What do you make of his formal recommendations on changes to the appeals procedure from magistrates courts ?
Judges and politicians are always desperate to get rid of juries and they always try to find ways of justifying this. These attempts have been going on my entire professional life and I view them as yet another example of the rulers displaying their disregard for and contempt for ordinary people and the role they ought to play in a well ordered society. See the last paragraph of my header the other day.
The fundamental problem with our criminal justice system is its persistent under-funding over decades, an absolute failure by the state to take seriously one of its core duties.
Also while I have worked professionally with Leveson and he is a nice thoughtful man, he has a tendency to come up with complicated proposals which seem to me to cause at least as many problems as they solve. See his suggestions on newspapers. He is a bit too pro-establishment de haut en bas for my tastes, which is probably why he is the go-to judge for such matters.
Anyway will revert in more detail another time. Am a bit overwhelmed at the moment.
Re: The jury’s out – politicalbetting.com
Horrible weather for work today, I think it got up to 32⁰C with a "real feel" of 35
Luckily I had a quite light day's work so only had to walk about nine miles. And between noon and half one, when I was in Ogbourne St George and had some of my most exposed and longer walks, the sun was somehow hiding behind two tiny clouds
Spare a thought for your posties when it's this hot
Luckily I had a quite light day's work so only had to walk about nine miles. And between noon and half one, when I was in Ogbourne St George and had some of my most exposed and longer walks, the sun was somehow hiding behind two tiny clouds
Spare a thought for your posties when it's this hot
Re: The jury’s out – politicalbetting.com
FPT
The dog was manic when I got back to the car, but he will live. The remaining ferries on this trip, he’ll be able to be with me, Finland and Germany being much more pet-friendly places than Norway.
Weather-wise, the cloud base is now descending and as I eat dinner looking out over the fjord, it must be down to fifty feet. But sunny days lie ahead…allegedly.
First impressions of Lofoten - it’s like Skye to the Scottish Highlands, on both upside and downside. Positively, the scenery is stunning, and compact, towering mountains, little settlements clinging to the slopes, including colourful house-huts on stilts built out into the sea, boats of all kinds everywhere. One can see why it’s a photographers’, and hikers’, paradise.
On the downside, it’s on the Rick Steves trail and clearly over-touristed, there are signs for tourist stuff everywhere, the food shops are full of foreign backpackers, and the joy of the Norwegian open road is replaced by being in a procession of traffic wherever you want to go, and with severe parking pressure when you get there. For the next week Mr Dog and I will clearly struggle to avoid the crowds.

So, I have arrived in Lofoten, getting off the ferry just along the road from the village with the world’s shortest place name, Å.Back from my walk and after lunch. It is now 29C outside and 22C inside.Ye Gods. Alexa says it is going to be 32C.Currently 14C, cloudy and damp, tomorrow 16C cloudy but then sunny 19C and sunny 22C forecast for Monday! All at 68 1/4 degrees north.
I need to be in Norway ...
We are not amused. We are however, quite well sauna'd.
The dog was manic when I got back to the car, but he will live. The remaining ferries on this trip, he’ll be able to be with me, Finland and Germany being much more pet-friendly places than Norway.
Weather-wise, the cloud base is now descending and as I eat dinner looking out over the fjord, it must be down to fifty feet. But sunny days lie ahead…allegedly.
First impressions of Lofoten - it’s like Skye to the Scottish Highlands, on both upside and downside. Positively, the scenery is stunning, and compact, towering mountains, little settlements clinging to the slopes, including colourful house-huts on stilts built out into the sea, boats of all kinds everywhere. One can see why it’s a photographers’, and hikers’, paradise.
On the downside, it’s on the Rick Steves trail and clearly over-touristed, there are signs for tourist stuff everywhere, the food shops are full of foreign backpackers, and the joy of the Norwegian open road is replaced by being in a procession of traffic wherever you want to go, and with severe parking pressure when you get there. For the next week Mr Dog and I will clearly struggle to avoid the crowds.

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Re: The jury’s out – politicalbetting.com
An excellent idea.It's so hot I misread that as Mary Berry.
Petition to make Matt Berry the next James Bond.
https://x.com/NoContextBrits/status/1943294137815421174
Re: The challenge for… the Liberal Democrats – politicalbetting.com
Moth of the day: a migrant too. (I wonder if the French will take them back?)
A female Four-spotted Footman, with very funky electric-blue legs.

A female Four-spotted Footman, with very funky electric-blue legs.

Re: The jury’s out – politicalbetting.com
First?The jury will now find you guilty of insider dealing.
Oh, apparently we're abandoning them.
Not somebody I hold in high esteem, but Jacob Rees-Mogg was bang on the money when he said that juries are needed because they allow for a protection against an over mighty state.* Heck, that's how they first became enshrined in law with barons forcing King John to stop kidnapping them, stealing their lands and raping their daughters on a whim by instead having to have fair trials.
*It's worth remembering he said that in response to the release of the Colston vandals whose defence was essentially 'we're smug rich bastards and have the right to smash up anything we like.' He didn't agree with their view, ironically, or the verdict, but he thought it illustrated the importance of the jury system in showing what should or shouldn't be crimes.
ydoethur
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Re: The challenge for… the Liberal Democrats – politicalbetting.com
Disappointing news that the introduction of the "New Tube for London", the new tube trains for, initially, the Piccadilly Line, and then other lines, with air conditioning and walk-through carriages, has been delayed.Shame for London. Not a single tube train in Leeds lacks aircon.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/piccadilly-line-new-trains-delayed-tfl-siemens-tube-london-underground-b1233989.html
Re: The jury’s out – politicalbetting.com
Juries are probably the worst way of determining guilt, apart from all the others of course. I generally find Juries take their role very seriously. Even if I disagree with their decisions I can usually see and understand how they got there. There is the odd exception, of course, but the same could be said about Sheriffs or Justices of the Peace. If I was ever facing a serious charge I would want a jury.
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Re: The challenge for… the Liberal Democrats – politicalbetting.com
@GarethoftheVale2 / @Garethofthevale , whichever is the current moniker.
Thank you for the article. I enjoyed it and its predecessors. I look forward to the next entry, as I'm sure we all do. The published ones in Gareth's "The Challenge For..." series are:
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/02/the-challenge-for-labour/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/12/the-challenge-for-plaid-cymru/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/21/the-challenge-for-reform-uk/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/11/the-challenge-for-the-liberal-democrats/
Thank you for the article. I enjoyed it and its predecessors. I look forward to the next entry, as I'm sure we all do. The published ones in Gareth's "The Challenge For..." series are:
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/02/the-challenge-for-labour/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/12/the-challenge-for-plaid-cymru/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/21/the-challenge-for-reform-uk/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/11/the-challenge-for-the-liberal-democrats/
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Re: The challenge for… the Liberal Democrats – politicalbetting.com
Morning all 
Thank you for the piece, @GarethoftheVale2 which wasn't easy reading for an LD supporter.
The truth is, the challenge the LDs face now is the one they have always faced, to build local success in previously fallow areas and over time turn that into parliamentary success.
The 1997 "gains" were largely in areas where the party had a proven track record of activity at local level and I suspect a similar correlation occurred in 2024. There were some new areas of parliamentary progress in seats which had resolutely remained Conservative in the past and in other areas the earlier progress had dissipated entirely and the party was once again irrelevant.
So much depends on having a dedicated core of hard working activists who put in the time and effort to build local bases, delivery and membership networks and a reputation for being there for the voters. When I was a Liberal and later LD activist it astonished me how much the Conservatives took their vote for granted and did little or nothing between elections - that has changed.
The other side of the challenge is to be heard beyond the seats already with an LD MP or where the party is challenging hard. Vast oceans of inactivity surround islands of activity - in London, you have the six LD seats but where are the seventh and eighth coming from?
Yes, we can concentrate on more "affluent" areas, as an example Wanstead has a Gail's and an M&S but is hardly fertile LD territory but it's not much different from parts of Woking.
However, "breaking out" from the heartlands into other areas either requires a fortuitous by-election or two or a distinctive policy selling point which can cut through but it's a crowded field and I don't know where that policy is currently.
Contrary to a few other views, I'm quite happy with Sir Ed and I think the 2024 intake is very strong with two or three real stars of the future (Josh Babarinde, Bobby Dean and Helen Maguire would be my picks so far).
Thank you for the piece, @GarethoftheVale2 which wasn't easy reading for an LD supporter.
The truth is, the challenge the LDs face now is the one they have always faced, to build local success in previously fallow areas and over time turn that into parliamentary success.
The 1997 "gains" were largely in areas where the party had a proven track record of activity at local level and I suspect a similar correlation occurred in 2024. There were some new areas of parliamentary progress in seats which had resolutely remained Conservative in the past and in other areas the earlier progress had dissipated entirely and the party was once again irrelevant.
So much depends on having a dedicated core of hard working activists who put in the time and effort to build local bases, delivery and membership networks and a reputation for being there for the voters. When I was a Liberal and later LD activist it astonished me how much the Conservatives took their vote for granted and did little or nothing between elections - that has changed.
The other side of the challenge is to be heard beyond the seats already with an LD MP or where the party is challenging hard. Vast oceans of inactivity surround islands of activity - in London, you have the six LD seats but where are the seventh and eighth coming from?
Yes, we can concentrate on more "affluent" areas, as an example Wanstead has a Gail's and an M&S but is hardly fertile LD territory but it's not much different from parts of Woking.
However, "breaking out" from the heartlands into other areas either requires a fortuitous by-election or two or a distinctive policy selling point which can cut through but it's a crowded field and I don't know where that policy is currently.
Contrary to a few other views, I'm quite happy with Sir Ed and I think the 2024 intake is very strong with two or three real stars of the future (Josh Babarinde, Bobby Dean and Helen Maguire would be my picks so far).
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