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Re: The challenge for… the Liberal Democrats – politicalbetting.com
Disappointing news that the introduction of the "New Tube for London", the new tube trains for, initially, the Piccadilly Line, and then other lines, with air conditioning and walk-through carriages, has been delayed.Shame for London. Not a single tube train in Leeds lacks aircon.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/piccadilly-line-new-trains-delayed-tfl-siemens-tube-london-underground-b1233989.html
Re: The jury’s out – politicalbetting.com
Juries are probably the worst way of determining guilt, apart from all the others of course. I generally find Juries take their role very seriously. Even if I disagree with their decisions I can usually see and understand how they got there. There is the odd exception, of course, but the same could be said about Sheriffs or Justices of the Peace. If I was ever facing a serious charge I would want a jury.
DavidL
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Re: The challenge for… the Liberal Democrats – politicalbetting.com
@GarethoftheVale2 / @Garethofthevale , whichever is the current moniker.
Thank you for the article. I enjoyed it and its predecessors. I look forward to the next entry, as I'm sure we all do. The published ones in Gareth's "The Challenge For..." series are:
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/02/the-challenge-for-labour/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/12/the-challenge-for-plaid-cymru/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/21/the-challenge-for-reform-uk/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/11/the-challenge-for-the-liberal-democrats/
Thank you for the article. I enjoyed it and its predecessors. I look forward to the next entry, as I'm sure we all do. The published ones in Gareth's "The Challenge For..." series are:
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/02/the-challenge-for-labour/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/12/the-challenge-for-plaid-cymru/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/21/the-challenge-for-reform-uk/
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/07/11/the-challenge-for-the-liberal-democrats/
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Re: The challenge for… the Liberal Democrats – politicalbetting.com
Morning all 
Thank you for the piece, @GarethoftheVale2 which wasn't easy reading for an LD supporter.
The truth is, the challenge the LDs face now is the one they have always faced, to build local success in previously fallow areas and over time turn that into parliamentary success.
The 1997 "gains" were largely in areas where the party had a proven track record of activity at local level and I suspect a similar correlation occurred in 2024. There were some new areas of parliamentary progress in seats which had resolutely remained Conservative in the past and in other areas the earlier progress had dissipated entirely and the party was once again irrelevant.
So much depends on having a dedicated core of hard working activists who put in the time and effort to build local bases, delivery and membership networks and a reputation for being there for the voters. When I was a Liberal and later LD activist it astonished me how much the Conservatives took their vote for granted and did little or nothing between elections - that has changed.
The other side of the challenge is to be heard beyond the seats already with an LD MP or where the party is challenging hard. Vast oceans of inactivity surround islands of activity - in London, you have the six LD seats but where are the seventh and eighth coming from?
Yes, we can concentrate on more "affluent" areas, as an example Wanstead has a Gail's and an M&S but is hardly fertile LD territory but it's not much different from parts of Woking.
However, "breaking out" from the heartlands into other areas either requires a fortuitous by-election or two or a distinctive policy selling point which can cut through but it's a crowded field and I don't know where that policy is currently.
Contrary to a few other views, I'm quite happy with Sir Ed and I think the 2024 intake is very strong with two or three real stars of the future (Josh Babarinde, Bobby Dean and Helen Maguire would be my picks so far).
Thank you for the piece, @GarethoftheVale2 which wasn't easy reading for an LD supporter.
The truth is, the challenge the LDs face now is the one they have always faced, to build local success in previously fallow areas and over time turn that into parliamentary success.
The 1997 "gains" were largely in areas where the party had a proven track record of activity at local level and I suspect a similar correlation occurred in 2024. There were some new areas of parliamentary progress in seats which had resolutely remained Conservative in the past and in other areas the earlier progress had dissipated entirely and the party was once again irrelevant.
So much depends on having a dedicated core of hard working activists who put in the time and effort to build local bases, delivery and membership networks and a reputation for being there for the voters. When I was a Liberal and later LD activist it astonished me how much the Conservatives took their vote for granted and did little or nothing between elections - that has changed.
The other side of the challenge is to be heard beyond the seats already with an LD MP or where the party is challenging hard. Vast oceans of inactivity surround islands of activity - in London, you have the six LD seats but where are the seventh and eighth coming from?
Yes, we can concentrate on more "affluent" areas, as an example Wanstead has a Gail's and an M&S but is hardly fertile LD territory but it's not much different from parts of Woking.
However, "breaking out" from the heartlands into other areas either requires a fortuitous by-election or two or a distinctive policy selling point which can cut through but it's a crowded field and I don't know where that policy is currently.
Contrary to a few other views, I'm quite happy with Sir Ed and I think the 2024 intake is very strong with two or three real stars of the future (Josh Babarinde, Bobby Dean and Helen Maguire would be my picks so far).
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Re: The challenge for… the Liberal Democrats – politicalbetting.com
We need to rediscover radical liberalism from the last century. The party created modern Britain in two phases, giving us universal education, healthcare and welfare. Britain is broken at a basic level, so radical shifts are once again needed.
In short, we need a new leader. I think Ed did a fantastic job transforming our prospects after the coalition, but he’s topped out.
In short, we need a new leader. I think Ed did a fantastic job transforming our prospects after the coalition, but he’s topped out.
Re: Hypothetical polls are still bobbins – politicalbetting.com
Today has been a really, really tough day. One of my best friends has terminal cancer. He has been out of touch but I heard from him again and went with a friend to see him today. His cancers include brain cancer. Although he recognised us he was horribly delusional. Very, very little of the brilliant man I have known for 20 years was left. Life is short and brutal. Don't waste it on those you don't care for.My sympathies David. It’s often harder for those who remain in cases like this, especially given how fast glioblastoma can move
Re: Hypothetical polls are still bobbins – politicalbetting.com
It's spelled sweatier.I adore it. The world seems kinder and sweeterRoll on Autumn, this hot weather absolutely does my head in.Apart from Saturday 19th, my home town is forecast for two weeks of Scorchio. Up here in the far north, the next couple of days look more mixed but next week is shaping up to be another fairly decent one.Are you on ayahuasca?I’m struggling to get excited by politics at the moment. Somehow the summer and the sunshine suck the interest out of me. This is the time I start to obsess over weather models.I have to say looking at tonight's output, apart from the possibility of a brief (18-24 hour) incursion into the south in ten days, it all looks pretty average through to the end of the month.
And there is potentially something for the ages in store there. Several global models and their ensemble sets are throwing out the landmark heatwave, the one which gets remembered for posterity: in other words, that June-July 1976 spell but with 50 years of climate change.
In these scenarios this current hot spell is just a warm up act.
Several are not though. They’re just showing an extended spell of quite hot weather with some showers.
One to keep an eye on.
I've also heard early August may be less settled (to be fair, August can be a very wet month) but that's a very long way off.
Whatever this is, it certainly is not “average”
It’s glorious, and it looks like a forecast for Rome rather than London, but it is not average
Re: Hypothetical polls are still bobbins – politicalbetting.com
Today has been a really, really tough day. One of my best friends has terminal cancer. He has been out of touch but I heard from him again and went with a friend to see him today. His cancers include brain cancer. Although he recognised us he was horribly delusional. Very, very little of the brilliant man I have known for 20 years was left. Life is short and brutal. Don't waste it on those you don't care for.
DavidL
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Re: Hypothetical polls are still bobbins – politicalbetting.com
I'm still Tory better than I ever did. Lookin' like a true survivor, feelin' like a little kid. And I'm still Tory after all this time....Leaving the ECHR is not a good idea. Are you Reform with HYUFD now?You bring them ashore safely then fly them to a processing centre outside EuropeYou’re asking those deemed with that task to try and force boats to turn back to France and what happens when some sink and people drown. Practically forcing a boat to turn round isn’t easy notwithstanding the moral issues.I know I keep banging on about this, but Starmer needs to stop seeking agreements by consent using legal frameworks, and start imposing solutions by force without consent. The small boats should be turned around and sent back whence they came.Got an agreement to try to agree an agreement....MacronOh god. He hasn’t actually got any agreement at all, yet?
This pilot framework will be decided once the legal issues are resolved and agreed in the EU
So not agreed yet
Hello ECHR
He is so dismally wet
If the French disapprove they can start a war. If the lawyers disapprove then laws should be passed to disapply human rights legislation outside the UK jurisdiction against the armed forces. If the Navy disagree, then a new branch ("Border Security") should be created to do it and the RN can bugger off to the Falklands.
But we need to stop asking people, since they obviously aren't getting it done.
And if necessary leave the ECHR
This present position cannot continue if the country wants to prevent a Farage coronation
HYUFD
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Re: Hypothetical polls are still bobbins – politicalbetting.com
Isn't everybody on PB a bit of a weirdo?Or a Creep.
boulay
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