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Give me fucking strength.

It seems now those baying most this weekend for some kind of flag waving revolution of the hard right up from the streets are now tweeting it is a disgrace that apparently kids today don't know that the Battle of Britain helped beat the erm... checks notes...Nazis.

So is your contention that all 300k who went on the march are Nazis? Do not you see how that kind of rhetoric fuels actual violence. Some idiot might get it in their head that shooting or stabbing these people is "good" because they're "Nazis anyway".

This is exactly the kind of stupidity that leads to people killing other people for no reason.

They went to a rally organised by a far right racist with multiple convictions for violence and fraud, the speakers were also far right racists, and many of the chants were racist.

So it may well be that not all of the 110 000 or so on the march are far right racists, but they are at the very least willing to be in the company of far right racists.

The grim consequence of calling everyone who says anything that is disagreed with a far right, racist fascist . . . It loses all meaning.

Including for those who actually are that.

Boy who cried wolf ends with an actual wolf.

But Tommy Robinson is a far right racist, with convictions for violence and fraud.

If you do not understand that, then words have no meaning.

Similarly the speakers included the well known far right racists Elon Musk, Ant Middleton etc.

I am not calling the entire march far right and racist, but at the very least they are gullible and open to listening to far right racists.

Uniting the Kingdom? My arse.

Or, or they don't care about any of the speakers and they just want to march against mass immigration and erosion of our culture. One of my school friends went on the march, he's Jewish and said that he felt much, much safer on the supposed "far right" side of the march than when he walked through the other side of it to get there. Excuse me if I take the word of someone who actually went, is a currently persecuted minority and told us all that he was very welcome at the Unite the Kingdom march.

He was worried about telling us because he thought we would judge him poorly but if anything the reaction has been largely positive tonight in our group chat. A few of the others were glad that it was a peaceful march and are open to going to the next one.

I have been on marches where the SWP or Communists are present, but I wouldn't go on one organised by them, where they chose all the speakers.

It looks like you've chosen your side in the next Battle of Cable St. These are not nice people, they are violent thugs.

Give me fucking strength.

It seems now those baying most this weekend for some kind of flag waving revolution of the hard right up from the streets are now tweeting it is a disgrace that apparently kids today don't know that the Battle of Britain helped beat the erm... checks notes...Nazis.

So is your contention that all 300k who went on the march are Nazis? Do not you see how that kind of rhetoric fuels actual violence. Some idiot might get it in their head that shooting or stabbing these people is "good" because they're "Nazis anyway".

This is exactly the kind of stupidity that leads to people killing other people for no reason.

They went to a rally organised by a far right racist with multiple convictions for violence and fraud, the speakers were also far right racists, and many of the chants were racist.

So it may well be that not all of the 110 000 or so on the march are far right racists, but they are at the very least willing to be in the company of far right racists.

The grim consequence of calling everyone who says anything that is disagreed with a far right, racist fascist . . . It loses all meaning.

Including for those who actually are that.

Boy who cried wolf ends with an actual wolf.

But Tommy Robinson is a far right racist, with convictions for violence and fraud.

If you do not understand that, then words have no meaning.

Similarly the speakers included the well known far right racists Elon Musk, Ant Middleton etc.

I am not calling the entire march far right and racist, but at the very least they are gullible and open to listening to far right racists.

Uniting the Kingdom? My arse.

Or, or they don't care about any of the speakers and they just want to march against mass immigration and erosion of our culture. One of my school friends went on the march, he's Jewish and said that he felt much, much safer on the supposed "far right" side of the march than when he walked through the other side of it to get there. Excuse me if I take the word of someone who actually went, is a currently persecuted minority and told us all that he was very welcome at the Unite the Kingdom march.

He was worried about telling us because he thought we would judge him poorly but if anything the reaction has been largely positive tonight in our group chat. A few of the others were glad that it was a peaceful march and are open to going to the next one.

I have been on marches where the SWP or Communists are present, but I wouldn't go on one organised by them, where they chose all the speakers.

It looks like you've chosen your side in the next Battle of Cable St. These are not nice people, they are violent thugs.

And this is your problem, I've chosen no sides. Well other than I'm 99% likely to be voting and campaigning for the Tories again. The side I'm on is whoever will bring down unskilled immigration, send the current unskilled immigrants and dependents home, stop the boats, cut spending to bring the deficit down and stop raising tax. I don't think there's any party which will do that but I expect the Tories to get close.

You said you were open to going on the next march that Tommy Robinson organises. I am glad that you are already having second thoughts.

I didn't say that?

This is what I actually said "A few of the others were glad that it was a peaceful march and are open to going to the next one."

Where in that sentence did you pick up that I would go to the next march? I'm happy that there was a big lack of the expected violence but I wouldn't go to any march where Robinson is speaking, he's a grade A ****.

My mis-understanding. I interpreted it that you were part of the friendship group open to going on the next march.

I am glad you are not. Tommy Robinson is not Uniting the Kingdom, he is deliberately dividing it against itself.

Lol, Starmer is so finished

How? Do you have a plan or are you just practicing your typing?

I would like to see Starmer go, and soon. But we have, I think, four or five posters who are just spamming the site with all this Starmer conjecture, and dear me they are dreary.

This place is not the intellectual debating society it used to be.

What do you expect and there is only one person to blame and that is Starmer

I doubt you complained when Johnson came under this fire and the 'spamming' as you call it then

If it upsets you, then you are experiencing the same dismay and concern conservative supporters had at the time of the Johnson's crisis

Did you read my post? I have said Starmer's time has been and gone. I am not even a Labour supporter these days and haven't been for a decade.

Anyway the handful of posters frotting themselves over Starmer's demise are not really my cup of tea. When we do push back, the response to hated non-right wing posters on here like Roger and myself is pretty personal these days.

I know, I know, if snowflakes can't take it they should just p*** off.

Anyway during Johnson's moments of jeopardy you were fighting to the death on his behalf. "Boris was ambushed by a cake, whilst Starmer was living it large in the middle of a lockdown with beer and a curry".*

* My precis.

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Are you planning to join, Nick?

Thinking about it, but I need to see the draft documents. We'll see what the next 2 weeks bring.

If you want to go left of Labour why not the LDs? You don't want to waste your time and your vote on the fruitcakes.

There's a lot of churn politically. Your Party is interesting (I am on their mailing list too), but I dont anticipate joining or supporting, despite my soft spot for Sultana.