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Re: A reminder on how Andy Burnham performed in his two previous leadership campaigns
Labour have a far better chance if Starmer has announced his resignationA coronation is clearly in the best interests of the country and the party.It would be nice to see if a Burnham-led Labour Party can retain the Manchester Mayoralty. Lose that and MPs will be wondering what it was all about.
Burnham has shown he can win an election and he is what MPs want. I don't understand what having a contest will achieve except paralysing the country, for Burnham to win anyway.
Re: A reminder on how Andy Burnham performed in his two previous leadership campaigns
I assume they aren't, but it's part of the rules of the game, like us overreacting to early results or football commentators not calling out obvious diving and fake injuries.And leadership wannabes often say they have more supporters signed up than they do. That's when they don't hold some back to create the illusion of a bandwaggon.Leaders always say they won't quit. If we never doubt their own words i guess we imagined all the leaders who have quit over the years.Well Streeting clearly thinks it is and says he has the 80 MPs to nominate him to stand. Starmer also thinks it is and says he will contest any Burnham leadership challenge and as incumbent Labour leader would automatically be on the ballot sent to Labour membersMandy Rice-Davies applies.https://www.politico.eu/article/wes-streeting-have-numbers-challenge-keir-starmer-want-go-quietly/Streeting doesn't have the numbers.A coronation is clearly in the best interests of the country and the party.He isn't running to just be Labour leader but PM and running the UK and representing us on the world stage. He is also proposing policies left of what Starmer was elected to deliver, he should be tested by Starmer and Streeting in a full leadership contest before he enters Downing Street
Burnham has shown he can win an election and he is what MPs want. I don't understand what having a contest will achieve except paralysing the country, for Burnham to win anyway.
How many times do I have to say this?
A contest for the sake of a contest isn’t worth it. Why are you so invested in the success of a government you want to fail anyway? And don’t insult my intelligence with some “for the good of the country” bollocks.
Heck, MPs sometimes even promise their loyalty to multiple leadership hopefuls.
Shocking how much these politicians say things that aren't true.
The only thing that's more shocking is how credulous many of our top political hacks are.
kle4
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Re: A reminder on how Andy Burnham performed in his two previous leadership campaigns
I think that is to underestimate just how desperately Trump needed a distraction from the Epstein files.Fuck BibiHere we go again.Least surprising news item of the year.
Iran closes Strait of Hormuz and accuses US and Israel of violating ceasefire deal
Danny (Dennis) Citrinowicz ,داني سيترينوفيتش
@citrinowicz
As I have argued repeatedly, the current situation in Lebanon is fundamentally incompatible with a sustainable U.S.-Iran agreement.
https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2068326244584681533
Fuck Israel
They misled Trump into starting this
Now they want to jeopardise the global economy to keep Bibi out of stir and give Bart a boner
ydoethur
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Re: A reminder on how Andy Burnham performed in his two previous leadership campaigns
Liquidised grannies.I’ve become quite obsessed by cooking fish sous vide since the revelation of sous vide monkfish in NantesSounds lovely. What does Nantaise sauce contain? Muscadet, surely.
I’ve cooked monkfish (twice; once for my mum’s birthday dinner last week, when it went down very well), cod, haddock, sea bass and salmon (twice; I love how the salmon still looks carrot coloured once it’s properly cooked)
Tonight I’m going to have hake, with a Nantaise sauce, green vegetables and fries
boulay
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Re: A reminder on how Andy Burnham performed in his two previous leadership campaigns
He seems to really want a deal, whilst the Iranians think they can withstand a military beatdown. And Netanyahu is just generally mad.Here we go again.Wonder how much more Trump needs to be pushed before he goes and seizes Kharg Island
Iran closes Strait of Hormuz and accuses US and Israel of violating ceasefire deal
So it'll probably work out fine.
kle4
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Re: A reminder on how Andy Burnham performed in his two previous leadership campaigns
Where I live yes, but in Kinnock's Bedwelty or Steve Kinnock's Aberavon no. Anyway I thought the Kinnocks lived in North West London.In the Kinnocks Wales?Have you seen the price of houses these days?I saw recently that Glenys Kinnock's estate was valued at about £1.5million. Now she was an MEP for 15 years rather than an MP. But given that she was a teacher before entering politics, it is hard to see how she could have amassed such a fortune.Taz, and make plenty of cash, expenses, second houses. A lucrative business for useless donkeys.No labour MP went into parliament wanting to make a difficult decision. They want to open fetes, garden centres, shops, and do lots of feel good social work while not upsetting anyone.Surely the point of the Labour Party is to attempt to solve national problems with policies that match the culture of the Labour Party?I think Starmer would have worked as a change candidate were it not for winter fuel. Everything that came after was downhill but that was the initial destructive act. I supported the policy but it was utterly toxic against the new Labour coalition as to be fair many Labour MPs said at the time.The fact there has been virtually no change in Makerfield between 2024 and now suggests that it isn’t Labour that’s the problem, it’s Keir Starmer.The underlying problem is the country wants changes that are 1) too expensive for our budget and/or 2) implausible. So any candidate representing the status quo is going to lose to a change candidate for the next decade at least. Policies, values etc are not that important, if we had a Conservative or Reform govt they would be extremely unpopular too.
Burnham has gone too early - he should have taken over in 2027 and portrayed himself as a change candidate in 2028. It will be very difficult to portray himself as a change candidate when he has been there for a couple of years.
Mandelson would have been easily survivable by somebody with more popularity.
From a party POV, he should have made benefit reform a confidence issue and then quit then if it hadn’t passed. Letting that go just gave the PLP the magic money tree. Burnham will have to grapple with that too but he will start with goodwill.
The WFA cut seemed like an attempt of cod-Thatcherism. No Labour MP went into politics to cheer cutting benefits.
You want to reduce the welfare bill, but are a Labour PM? What do Labour MPs like? Benefits targeted to the poorest, perhaps?
So announce all the old age extras are going in a blender. The result will be means tests/taxed, so as to target the poorest pensioners.
Then you sell that to the MPs as a reform that makes the poor better off, while being fiscally prudent.
Politics is clearly about money for the politicians.
Re: A reminder on how Andy Burnham performed in his two previous leadership campaigns
"ODFOD" = Oh do fuck off, dear.Don't annoy an Italian woman:It's as close to ODFOD as diplomatic niceties will permit.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/newbies_corner/4972638-new-to-mumsnet-what-are-the-popular-acronyms
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Re: A reminder on how Andy Burnham performed in his two previous leadership campaigns
The occasional tax and duty discussions on here are always an interesting reminder of what it's like to read laypeople's views about something you do for a living. Gets me all Richard Tyndalled.Pfff. We are not mere laypeople. We are the pb pontificators.
Re: A reminder on how Andy Burnham performed in his two previous leadership campaigns
Don't annoy an Italian woman:I don't agree with too many of her policies but fair play she's hugely impressive
Re: A reminder on how Andy Burnham performed in his two previous leadership campaigns
Other than Berlusconi I think she may have the longest uniterrupted period as PM since the 60s.Don't annoy an Italian woman:I don't agree with too many of her policies but fair play she's hugely impressive
Less than 4 years, but that's Italy for you (and us thesedays).
kle4
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