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Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
They'd have a better shot if they worked on the identity/emotional angle instead of just the 'poorer' approach."UK will rejoin EU by 2036, says former Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg"God, they're obsessed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_eymvGKnyM
On the Burnham thing: he became an MP specifically to become Prime Minister. If he isn't ready, whose fault is that?
Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
.Look at the fundamentals, not the brand. They don't support your argument. People don't want to cede regulatory autonomy and jurisdiction to the EU. That is Brexit.A complete success doesn't usually have two thirds of the country considering it a failure.I completely disagree with you.A decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUGiven Brexit was the biggest political fuck-up post WW2, those 30% are remarkably forgiving. What a waste of ten years.
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
I am one of the 30%, and am very happy with Brexit and consider it a complete success.
Sorry.
Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
We have a values split in the country. for sure, which is sad to see.Isn't that just a sign that the unhappy are those agitating for change, as were those who wanted to leave before we did?Remainers haven't shut-up about it since the day we voted to Leave 10 years ago, whereas Leavers have and moved on. They confuse our absence of engagement on the subject as disengagement, disillusionment, or acquiescence whereas in fact we've just moved on and are focussed on the challenges of tomorrow. Not the battles of yesterday.As demonstrated by the high turnover of PMs since then, realising that they are now accountable and can’t hide behind the EU as an excuse for their unpopular legislation or failings.I completely disagree with you.A decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUGiven Brexit was the biggest political fuck-up post WW2, those 30% are remarkably forgiving. What a waste of ten years.
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
I am one of the 30%, and am very happy with Brexit and consider it a complete success.
I wonder what the UK reaction would have been to the EU’s new deportation law, if we were still members?
They've never come to terms with it or accepted it and, as almost all Liberals do, they just want to be right and vindicated. A re-run. A re-match. Wipe out the shame so they can feel comfortable with themselves. Meanwhile, they ignore the underlying fundamentals, which explain why even Labour haven't touched it even with a landslide in office.
It's quite sad really. But the psychological problems theirs, not ours.
The other side is content to claim everything's settled, though the country is split.
The thing is: when you talk to ordinary normal people, from all walks of life, in person (rather than on social media) you usually discover it really isn't as bad as all that, and there is much common ground.
Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
To be fair, we haven't sent 20m to the gulag and executed 20m to meet death quotas. So I'm not entirely convinced comparing leaving the EU to communism is necessarily fair.I'm assuming a fair chunk of the 30% who still think Brexit was the right thing don't however think it has been a success so far. There's a lot of "real communism hasn't been tried" about Brexit. At what point do they think, actually it wasn't a good idea?I completely disagree with you.A decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUGiven Brexit was the biggest political fuck-up post WW2, those 30% are remarkably forgiving. What a waste of ten years.
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
I am one of the 30%, and am very happy with Brexit and consider it a complete success.
Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
Remainers haven't shut-up about it since the day we voted to Leave 10 years ago, whereas Leavers have and moved on. They confuse our absence of engagement on the subject as disengagement, disillusionment, or acquiescence whereas in fact we've just moved on and are focussed on the challenges of tomorrow. Not the battles of yesterday.As demonstrated by the high turnover of PMs since then, realising that they are now accountable and can’t hide behind the EU as an excuse for their unpopular legislation or failings.I completely disagree with you.A decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUGiven Brexit was the biggest political fuck-up post WW2, those 30% are remarkably forgiving. What a waste of ten years.
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
I am one of the 30%, and am very happy with Brexit and consider it a complete success.
I wonder what the UK reaction would have been to the EU’s new deportation law, if we were still members?
They've never come to terms with it or accepted it and, as almost all Liberals do, they just want to be right and vindicated. A re-run. A re-match. Wipe out the shame so they can feel comfortable with themselves. Meanwhile, they ignore the underlying fundamentals, which explain why even Labour haven't touched it even with a landslide in office.
It's quite sad really. But the psychological problems theirs, not ours.
Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
You assume a lot of things, mostly based on convenient fantasies that live in your head.I'm assuming a fair chunk of the 30% who still think Brexit was the right thing don't however think it has been a success so far. There's a lot of "real communism hasn't been tried" about Brexit. At what point do they think, actually it wasn't a good idea?I completely disagree with you.A decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUGiven Brexit was the biggest political fuck-up post WW2, those 30% are remarkably forgiving. What a waste of ten years.
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
I am one of the 30%, and am very happy with Brexit and consider it a complete success.
Only yesterday you were claiming Mahmood was shit despite being widely accepted as being the most effective cabinet minister in government- you just don't like the fact she's cut migration numbers.
Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
Tbf your overreaction makes you look slightly unhinged.EXCLUSIVE!You need to read this.
Andy Burnham is believed to be replacing Policemen with cats.
Making Cars drive in reverse so we can see where we've been.
Making the Royal family play for England in the World Cup.
Funding a UK mission to Mars....
We'll everyone else is making stuff up!
Peter.
Please please please stop signing your posts, "Peter"; it makes you look a REAL wally and like you live on a different planet.
We all know you're PeterCairns. It's literally written on the top of every post you submit. No-one else does it. Because it's totally unnecessary.
Your sign-off of every post with your first name like it's a letter to a newspaper makes you look quite mad and is making your content unreadable.
Just ignore him Peter.
Ben
Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
Brexit has failed. In every dimension. Yes, the impact has not been as bad as some of the more pessimistic forecasts, but it has materially failed to deliver. We are all poorer as a result and that does not sit well with people. Hence why there is an upswing in support to rejoin the EU. It’s as simple as that.Er, no.
We have full control of migration policy now, free movement has ended, we have regulatory autonomy (which has been used in fields like AI, gene-editing of crops and financial services), we have tax policy flexibility on VAT, we have more flexibility on industrial policy and subsidies, we have been able to sign our own trade deals and set our own tariffs, we no longer have to automatically accept every EU Commission regulation or subject ourselves to ECJ rulings on the compliance of our laws in line with the Charter of Fundamental Rights, our politics is no longer dominated by the European Council every 6 months, we no longer pay billions into the EU budget, we are no longer subject to Ever Closer Union. Sure, there are some additional border frictions, and that's the trade-off, but we all knew that.
That's what I voted for.
Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
So after doing a Judas on Starmer he now expects him to fit into his schedule ! He’s been plotting to become PM almost since the start of Starmers premiership and has had plenty of time to work out what he might do ."Team Burnham's fury at Starmer for refusing to stay on until September. 'Andy's not going to be close to being ready to be Prime Minister'"One of my biggest worries with Andy Burnham is that everyone else should arrange their affairs to be personally convenient for him.
https://www.dailymail.com/columnists/article-15921077/DAN-HODGES-Team-Burnhams-fury-Starmer-refusing-stay-September-Andys-not-going-close-ready-Prime-Minister.html
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Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
As demonstrated by the high turnover of PMs since then, realising that they are now accountable and can’t hide behind the EU as an excuse for their unpopular legislation or failings.I completely disagree with you.A decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUGiven Brexit was the biggest political fuck-up post WW2, those 30% are remarkably forgiving. What a waste of ten years.
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
I am one of the 30%, and am very happy with Brexit and consider it a complete success.
I wonder what the UK reaction would have been to the EU’s new deportation law, if we were still members?
Sandpit
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