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Re: Keir today, gone tomorrow (well September) – politicalbetting.com
I can comprehend a PM getting everything right - as he told us - but still losing the confidence of a slightly dim public. But to get everything miraculously right, and your own MPs, who mostly owe their careers to your electoral genius, have no confidence in you and call on you to go makes no sense.If I understood Starmer's speech correctly, he agreed to be a senior shadow cabinet member of a corrupt and morally bankrupt opposition, and in the following six years as leader then PM sorted first the party and then as PM the country so that country and party are on the best possible track; in the process of performing this six year miracle he has lost the confidence of his own MPs to the extent that they have more or less no belief that they can keep their seats with him as leader."I was much better than people think I was"
His account makes no sense.
Obviously those people don't think that, hence his departure. Starmer doesn't have to agree.
Personally, the moment the PM lost me morally was when he fictitiously blamed a civil servant, who got sacked, for the PMs decision over Mandelson.
Re: Keir today, gone tomorrow (well September) – politicalbetting.com
When does Burnham’s long march to London begin? Can we expect tanks?Rebellious Catholic northerners usually u-turn at Derby.
Eabhal
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Re: Keir today, gone tomorrow (well September) – politicalbetting.com
It can take many leaders years to grow into the statesman you became in just two years.
European and Ukrainian security is stronger because of you.
Thank you, dear Keir.
https://x.com/vonderleyen/status/2068979542153204011
European and Ukrainian security is stronger because of you.
Thank you, dear Keir.
https://x.com/vonderleyen/status/2068979542153204011
Re: Keir today, gone tomorrow (well September) – politicalbetting.com
One might say that in that case Brexit has worked exactly as it should. Now we can all see the Emperor (PM) has no clothes, hence the reason we get through them so quickly.One of the more plausible arguments for Brexit was the one that said it stopped British politicians slopey-sholdering things that go wrong onto Europe. One point of sharp accountability. If the Westminster government doesn't deliver what the people want, the Westminster government is responsible and they're out.The point of Brexit was to take back control.Burham will be the sixth PM since July 2016 so six PMs in 10 years.This will be my son’s fifth prime minister since he was born - and he’s 6.It'll be my daughter's fifth and she only turned 4 a couple of months ago.
https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2068964817344266383
Mine has got their second for their second birthday…
https://x.com/PGourtsoyannis/status/2068980810091266392
Prior to that, we only had six PMs in 40 years.
I think all it’s showing is how ungovernable this country is with expectations well beyond reality
What that argument doesn't account for is when the people want things that are impossible. Or impossible without absurd cost or consequences. Or get overtaken by events. Or when the people want multiple things that contradict.
That problem was there before 2016, but it's been worse... much worse... since.
We need a completely different type of PM, one who is not simply managing on behalf of the EU but is actually leading the country and taking responsibility. I don't think any of them have really grasped this concept yet.
Re: Keir today, gone tomorrow (well September) – politicalbetting.com
It's easy to forget that Starmer probably came within 300 votes of standing down as Labour leader in 2021 at the Batley & Spen by-election. If Labour had lost that, following on from losing Hartlepool, his position would have become untenable.
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Re: Keir today, gone tomorrow (well September) – politicalbetting.com
F##king Steve Bray again. I thought they passed a law to take his equipment off him for his stupid stunts.Great case of nominative determinism though.
Re: Keir today, gone tomorrow (well September) – politicalbetting.com
Another article in the Atlantic, it's coming thick and fast from them right now:Late stage Stalin / Henry VIII / Tiberias.
The world now faces something new and frightening: a psychotic state. The administration is consistently detached from reality; the normal policy process we have seen in past administrations is nonexistent in this one. No one around the president even hints that anything he does is inappropriate, unpopular, or unwise. His Cabinet meetings have become exercises in self-abasement, with one member after another obsequiously groveling, each trying to outdo the next in their adoration. Trump, left on his own without adult supervision, has lurched from blunder to catastrophe.
I wonder if anyone would imitate Naevius Macro alongside Vance.
Re: Keir today, gone tomorrow (well September) – politicalbetting.com
With the Tories, nominations would probably open tomorrow, and the new PM would be in place by next week (assuming only one candidate).Except with the Tories there'd be an incessant tour of the country lasting three months talking to small audiences of the over 60's.
Before choosing the least suitable option.
Re: Keir today, gone tomorrow (well September) – politicalbetting.com
Before 2016 - there was someone else that could and would take the blame for impossible demands - but we’ve left the organization that governments could claim made the impossible impossible.One of the more plausible arguments for Brexit was the one that said it stopped British politicians slopey-sholdering things that go wrong onto Europe. One point of sharp accountability. If the Westminster government doesn't deliver what the people want, the Westminster government is responsible and they're out.The point of Brexit was to take back control.Burham will be the sixth PM since July 2016 so six PMs in 10 years.This will be my son’s fifth prime minister since he was born - and he’s 6.It'll be my daughter's fifth and she only turned 4 a couple of months ago.
https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2068964817344266383
Mine has got their second for their second birthday…
https://x.com/PGourtsoyannis/status/2068980810091266392
Prior to that, we only had six PMs in 40 years.
I think all it’s showing is how ungovernable this country is with expectations well beyond reality
What that argument doesn't account for is when the people want things that are impossible. Or impossible without absurd cost or consequences. Or get overtaken by events. Or when the people want multiple things that contradict.
That problem was there before 2016, but it's been worse... much worse... since.
eek
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Re: Keir today, gone tomorrow (well September) – politicalbetting.com
Should Starmer have tweeted what he did on 20th June given the man in question re Edinburgh has been charged and so proceedings are "active" ?!?
Pulpstar
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