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Re: AOC for POTUS? – politicalbetting.com
If the jury knew that the sentence for sheep stealing was hanging, they would likely acquit, even if they thought that the defendant was guilty.Try reading it again. The judge took account of aggravating and mitigating factors, which largely balanced each other out. Anyone causing criminal damage of over a million pounds would have faced sentences of this length. They are entirely in line with what would be expected for such offences. The judge's sentencing was in line with the relevant laws which have been in place for some time. And the terror angle has been used in another recent case about arson (which had nothing to do with arms factories).WRT to discussions recently over sentencing and how the defence was allowed and not allowed to run its defence in the palestine action case, it is worth looking at the excellent Joshua Rozenberg's balanced comment. IMHO he gets it exactly right. Including this:Their sentences were increased because so-called "terrorism" (disrupting an Israeli arms factory whose products are used to aid an illegal occupation and to kill innocent women and children) was an aggravating factor in the case, as the article notes in the judge's sentencing remarks.
Anyone reading this might think that the activists were convicted of terrorism offences or, at the very least, that their sentences were substantially increased because Palestine Action was subsequently banned as a terrorist organisation. Neither is true.
https://rozenberg.substack.com/p/activists-not-terrorists?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=79530&post_id=201979337&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1mnpci&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Defence counsel's closing speech for one of the defendants went into very great detail about the defendant's political motivations / concern for victims etc and why he should be acquitted so the idea that the jury was not made fully aware of why the defendants did what they did is for the birds.
As for the claim that the jury was not told about sentencing and what an outrage this all is, juries play no role in sentencing at all. Ever. It is utterly irrelevant to their role.
Re: AOC for POTUS? – politicalbetting.com
I think AOC is too young and too easy for the Republicans to demonise.
Much better that she runs as VP to Newsom. They get on well, and would make a great team with reach across independents with Newsom, and depth into the core for turnout with AOC.
She will be 38 in 2028 and only 46 in 2036 after two terms of Newsom.
She has plenty of time to become a great President.
Much better that she runs as VP to Newsom. They get on well, and would make a great team with reach across independents with Newsom, and depth into the core for turnout with AOC.
She will be 38 in 2028 and only 46 in 2036 after two terms of Newsom.
She has plenty of time to become a great President.
Re: AOC for POTUS? – politicalbetting.com
WRT to discussions recently over sentencing and how the defence was allowed and not allowed to run its defence in the palestine action case, it is worth looking at the excellent Joshua Rozenberg's balanced comment. IMHO he gets it exactly right. Including this:Their sentences were increased because so-called "terrorism" (disrupting an Israeli arms factory whose products are used to aid an illegal occupation and to kill innocent women and children) was an aggravating factor in the case, as the article notes in the judge's sentencing remarks.
Anyone reading this might think that the activists were convicted of terrorism offences or, at the very least, that their sentences were substantially increased because Palestine Action was subsequently banned as a terrorist organisation. Neither is true.
https://rozenberg.substack.com/p/activists-not-terrorists?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=79530&post_id=201979337&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1mnpci&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Re: AOC for POTUS? – politicalbetting.com
All trains should be retrofitted with RF-passing “honeycomb” glass like they have on trains in Germany.Implausible. How many use the trains daily?
This would improve coverage on mainline trains for millions of people overnight.
Re: AOC for POTUS? – politicalbetting.com
Try reading it again. The judge took account of aggravating and mitigating factors, which largely balanced each other out. Anyone causing criminal damage of over a million pounds would have faced sentences of this length. They are entirely in line with what would be expected for such offences. The judge's sentencing was in line with the relevant laws which have been in place for some time. And the terror angle has been used in another recent case about arson (which had nothing to do with arms factories).WRT to discussions recently over sentencing and how the defence was allowed and not allowed to run its defence in the palestine action case, it is worth looking at the excellent Joshua Rozenberg's balanced comment. IMHO he gets it exactly right. Including this:Their sentences were increased because so-called "terrorism" (disrupting an Israeli arms factory whose products are used to aid an illegal occupation and to kill innocent women and children) was an aggravating factor in the case, as the article notes in the judge's sentencing remarks.
Anyone reading this might think that the activists were convicted of terrorism offences or, at the very least, that their sentences were substantially increased because Palestine Action was subsequently banned as a terrorist organisation. Neither is true.
https://rozenberg.substack.com/p/activists-not-terrorists?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=79530&post_id=201979337&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1mnpci&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Defence counsel's closing speech for one of the defendants went into very great detail about the defendant's political motivations / concern for victims etc and why he should be acquitted so the idea that the jury was not made fully aware of why the defendants did what they did is for the birds.
As for the claim that the jury was not told about sentencing and what an outrage this all is, juries play no role in sentencing at all. Ever. It is utterly irrelevant to their role.
Re: AOC for POTUS? – politicalbetting.com
I think AOC would be a great candidate and I can see her winning the presidency.And in some ways, 2028 may be the best chance for someone whose image is a bit Katniss Everdeen; pure fury against the Capitol and President SnowTrump. It just depends on whether the 2028 elections are recognisably free'n'fair (I suspect that any Dem candidate wins) or not (in which case, no Dem candidate wins).
At which point, one starts looking round nervously.
Re: AOC for POTUS? – politicalbetting.com
Separately, the Post Office Report will be delayed to the autumn at the earliest and maybe later - because of the Maxwellisation process.
Given that the Met has stated that without sufficient money they may not be able to get to the point of sending possible charges to the CPS for a further 5 years, the likelihood of anyone facing any effective accountability for their part in this disgrace is getting lower and lower.
Not only will more sub-postmasters have died but some of the key likely defendants.
This will of course suit the Post Office and government and all the scumbags involved very well indeed.
Endless delay. Everyone dead. Pro forma apology. No more need to compensate. File report and never look at it again. Ignore recommendations.
Then repeat the whole ghastly exercise for the next scandals whose seeds are being sown right now.
Given that the Met has stated that without sufficient money they may not be able to get to the point of sending possible charges to the CPS for a further 5 years, the likelihood of anyone facing any effective accountability for their part in this disgrace is getting lower and lower.
Not only will more sub-postmasters have died but some of the key likely defendants.
This will of course suit the Post Office and government and all the scumbags involved very well indeed.
Endless delay. Everyone dead. Pro forma apology. No more need to compensate. File report and never look at it again. Ignore recommendations.
Then repeat the whole ghastly exercise for the next scandals whose seeds are being sown right now.
Re: AOC for POTUS? – politicalbetting.com
WRT to discussions recently over sentencing and how the defence was allowed and not allowed to run its defence in the palestine action case, it is worth looking at the excellent Joshua Rozenberg's balanced comment. IMHO he gets it exactly right. Including this:
Anyone reading this might think that the activists were convicted of terrorism offences or, at the very least, that their sentences were substantially increased because Palestine Action was subsequently banned as a terrorist organisation. Neither is true.
https://rozenberg.substack.com/p/activists-not-terrorists?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=79530&post_id=201979337&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1mnpci&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Anyone reading this might think that the activists were convicted of terrorism offences or, at the very least, that their sentences were substantially increased because Palestine Action was subsequently banned as a terrorist organisation. Neither is true.
https://rozenberg.substack.com/p/activists-not-terrorists?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=79530&post_id=201979337&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1mnpci&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Re: AOC for POTUS? – politicalbetting.com
Surely the takeaway from those polling questions is that while many Dem votes have a positive view of socialism - whatever that might mean in a US context (often just free healthcare, it seems?), they are realistic enough to understand that elections are usually won from the centre?
IanB2
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Re: A win is a win – politicalbetting.com
Just looking at the World Cup betting this morning, I see Scotland are rated a 22% chance to be eliminated in the group stage. I don't want to be negative about their prospects, but I feel that's a tad low. The betting suggests they are a 39% chance to lose to Morocco and Brazil.
Of the other groups, only the Belgium group looks good for Scotland. Five of the other six could easily see the third place team have four points and I wouldn't right off Ecuador from getting four points in the other group. And even if they lose to Germany, I feel Ecuador have more chance of having a better goal difference than Scotland. And then there are four more groups to come.
Also, they are at a disadvantage in being in an early group. The rest get to see what they need to do.
As ever, DYOR.
Of the other groups, only the Belgium group looks good for Scotland. Five of the other six could easily see the third place team have four points and I wouldn't right off Ecuador from getting four points in the other group. And even if they lose to Germany, I feel Ecuador have more chance of having a better goal difference than Scotland. And then there are four more groups to come.
Also, they are at a disadvantage in being in an early group. The rest get to see what they need to do.
As ever, DYOR.
tlg86
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