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Re: Trying to bet in a stupid and irrational world – politicalbetting.com
All women can die from pregnancy, there is always a risk. It has massive medical consequences for the woman to be pregnant. That is why eg so much in life (even things like rides at Alton Towers) advise against if pregnant.It isn't, it is the ending of life of her unborn child, provided she could have survived perfectly healthily had she given birth to that child.If anyone from Republic were heckling the King at healthcare facilities he is going to in order to get medical treatment, eg heckling him while seeking cancer treatment, then that would be equivalent to heckling women seeking medical treatment.A woman having an abortion is aborting her unborn child, not seeking medical treatment for herself so it is not exactly equivalent even then
That does not happen though, as far as I know. If it did, it would be repugnant.That is medical treatment for herself, whether you like it or not.If anyone from Republic were heckling the King at healthcare facilities he is going to in order to get medical treatment, eg heckling him while seeking cancer treatment, then that would be equivalent to heckling women seeking medical treatment.A woman having an abortion is aborting her unborn child, not seeking medical treatment for herself so it is not exactly equivalent even then
That does not happen though, as far as I know. If it did, it would be repugnant.
Terminating her own pregnancy is a treatment for herself.
Is anyone heckling the King while he is getting medical treatment? Are they bollocks. Your whatabouterism is absurd.
Whatever your opinions about the viability or otherwise of a foetus, an abortion is undeniably absolutely a medical treatment for the woman in question.
Heckling medical treatments is wrong, whether that be cancer or pregnancy related.
Re: Trying to bet in a stupid and irrational world – politicalbetting.com
We must be mad. This is not the silver bullet these people think. It merely shows how many economically inactive dependents, future burdens on the taxpayer, came over as dependents as part of the Boriswave.
One of the main purposes of extending ILR to 10 years is to prevent access to benefits. It’s the whole point.
Utterly nuts Labour MPs opposing this.
‘ Excl: New analysis shows plans to impose the new 10-year settlement rules to migrants already in the UK will increase child poverty by 90,000.
Labour rebels have seized on the findings to argue that the policy conflicts with the party's pledge to reduce child poverty.
They are planning to force a symbolic vote in parliament to expose the scale of opposition to the plans on the Labour benches.’
https://x.com/matt_dathan/status/2034939759190065644?s=61
One of the main purposes of extending ILR to 10 years is to prevent access to benefits. It’s the whole point.
Utterly nuts Labour MPs opposing this.
‘ Excl: New analysis shows plans to impose the new 10-year settlement rules to migrants already in the UK will increase child poverty by 90,000.
Labour rebels have seized on the findings to argue that the policy conflicts with the party's pledge to reduce child poverty.
They are planning to force a symbolic vote in parliament to expose the scale of opposition to the plans on the Labour benches.’
https://x.com/matt_dathan/status/2034939759190065644?s=61
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Re: Trying to bet in a stupid and irrational world – politicalbetting.com
At some poiint perhaps you should realise you have been given several yards of rope now and have more than enough to hang yourself many times over. You are really not doing your image or your arguments any good here.If anyone from Republic were heckling the King at healthcare facilities he is going to in order to get medical treatment, eg heckling him while seeking cancer treatment, then that would be equivalent to heckling women seeking medical treatment.A woman having an abortion is aborting her unborn child, not seeking medical treatment for herself so it is not exactly equivalent even then
That does not happen though, as far as I know. If it did, it would be repugnant.
Re: Trying to bet in a stupid and irrational world – politicalbetting.com
It is heartening that Jewish people and organisations are calling out Nick Timothy and Kemi Badenoch for what they are.I do hope the Tories haven't jeopardised the support of Richard Hermer.
Attorney general asks if Kemi Badenoch would object to Jewish public prayer
Exclusive: Richard Hermer, who is Jewish, says Tory leader and shadow minister seem ‘to only have an issue with Muslim events
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/20/attorney-general-richard-hermer-kemi-badenoch-public-prayer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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VOICE OF THE JEWISH NEWS: In defence of praying during Iftar in Trafalgar Square
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/voice-of-the-jewish-news-in-defence-of-praying-during-iftar-in-trafalgar-square/
Re: Trying to bet in a stupid and irrational world – politicalbetting.com
I don’t much like seeing mass Islamic prayer in Trafalgar Square.If we are going to start banning things I would start with fucking Morris Dancing.
Would feel the same way about some mass Jewish ritual, a large Catholic Mass, or some irritating evangelical Christian sect.
Wouldn’t mind a big morris-dancing thing.
Re: Trying to bet in a stupid and irrational world – politicalbetting.com
If you don't like Muslims vote ReformAre you going to convert?
If you don't like MUSLIMS vote Reform
If you don't like Muslims, don't like Muslims, if you don't like Muslims vote Reform
This is the song Farage is singing.
Re: Trying to bet in a stupid and irrational world – politicalbetting.com
His place of work is wherever he is working. If he is visiting a community group as head of state he is doing that in an official capacity, so that is where he is working at that time.The King's place of work is his office, vising a community group as head of state is not a political act in any way even of a constitutional monarch and is just harassmentThe King's place of work is any place he goes to in a professional capacity while working. Work and healthcare are completely different and not equivalent.The King's place of work is Buckingham Palace, the Prince of Wales' Kensington Palace, not a cathedral or visiting a community group.Heckling public figures at their place of work, while they are working publicly, that they are paid to go to out of taxpayers money is not equivalent to heckling private citizens who are seeking private and confidential healthcare.If Republic can send hecklers to scream at members of the royal family attending church or meeting crowds, anti abortion activists can send activists to pray and shout at those having an abortion.The balance of rights between mother and unborn child is absolutely fine to debate in a sober and rational way. Bringing unreachable deities whose views we claim to know into the debate is unhelpful.And the unborn child is irrelevant I suppose? Most Muslim majority nations ban abortion of course except in the case of a risk to a woman's life, it is not just conservative Christian evangelicals and the Roman Catholic church antiFunny that out of all the rich variety of moralising, oppressive. cultish religions apparently waiting to destroy Britishness that it’s the Christers that are hanging about in groups to bully women at potentially one of the worst moments of their lives.Oh dear, we really are parotting braindead far right talking points today.If we can ban prayer outside abortion clinics then it can’t be beyond the wit of legislators.Farage says a Reform government would ban Muslim public prayers in the UKHa ha. What a prick. Completely unenforceable in any case. How do you prove that an assembly constitutes prayer or that the participants are Muslims? If Farage so wrecked our human rights law that this kind of thing became enforceable we would all be fucked, Muslim or otherwise.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/19/nigel-farage-condemned-over-call-to-ban-public-prayer-for-muslims-in-the-uk
You can ban protests in specific places, sure. So you could ban anyone from Trafalgar Square. The ban on "prayer" outside abortion clinics is a ban on any gathering designed to intimidate users of abortion clinics. It would apply to Muslims praying, Christians praying or atheists protesting without prayer. If the abortion clinic law attempted to ban Christian prayer specifically it would be laughed out of court and rightly so.
This allows me to trot out one of my vasectomy stories. As my wife drove me away from the clinic, in loose fitting trousers, feeling distinctly sorry for myself, a large bunch of angry middle aged Christians started shouting abuse at her (it was a beautiful Spring day and the windows were down. I was momentarily puzzled, then furious. Clearly they were under the impression we'd been for an abortion. Despite my incapacity, I was quite clean to get out the car and kick off. First, to correct them, second and more importantly - how fucking dare some Christian talk to my wife like that - I may have been sore but I am quite a large bloke and have never felt it more urgent to dish out violent retribution to these ponces or at the very least tell them how little I cared for the views of their imaginary sky fairy. Thirdly - check what's going on in there before protesting so rudely you fucking idiots. And fourthly (this overlapped with secondly, on reflection) - if we had just had an abortion, it was a decision we would have come to soberly and sadly and for some good reason and it was no business of their imaginary friend.
Happily for all concerned, it took me a while to get past puzzle and shock, and my wife is less keen to seek trouble than I am, and by the time all this aligned in my head we were at least a mile away.
Or you ban both as harassment. You have the same laws for right and left
Abortions on the NHS are of course paid for from public money and indeed technically the royals are funded by crown estate and duchy profits not taxes so they are equivalent.
It is just pure political bias otherwise, so I say allow the anti abortion hecklers as long as Republic are allowed to heckle or ban both as harassment!
Your argument is like suggesting heckling Jimmy Carr while he is touring a venue is not doing so at his place of work as it is not where he is always based.
Preposterous.
Just as if Jimmy Carr visits an arena as a comedian to perform, he is doing so in an official capacity.
Seeking cancer treatment as an individual who needs medical treatment is completely different to official engagements. If anyone is heckling that, they are sick.
Re: Trying to bet in a stupid and irrational world – politicalbetting.com
This is the party's immigration policy supported by both Kemi and CleverlyThen they knock on the Tory door, Kemi tells them they aren't the right integration and kicks them out of the drivewayDriving Nan and Grandad back to the ToriesWhy are Reform getting involved in Islam.Because Farage needs to double down and keep the racist vote who may otherwise be encouraged to vote Restore
I really thought this Farage iteration would be different.
Contrast with James the Clever one who greet them with a cuppa and a nice biscuit
Interesting that Kemi has informed Mahmoud the conservatives will vote for Mahmoud's proposals
https://www.conservatives.com/news/rebuilding-trust-with-our-new-immigration-policy
Re: Trying to bet in a stupid and irrational world – politicalbetting.com
If you find yourself walking past an abortion clinic and say a little prayer to yourself, that is not illegal. If you stage a protest designed to intimidate people using the clinic, in which people stand there ostentatiously but silently praying, that is illegal.Silently praying is also apparently not allowed.It’s not right and left. There’s no equivalence. No one WANTS to be at an abortion clinic. Deciding to have an abortion is (for obvious reasons I’ve no personal experience of it) usually a traumatic, once in a lifetime, decision to make for a variety of reasons. Shouting at someone in those circumstances adds trauma on trauma.If Republic can send hecklers to scream at members of the royal family attending church or meeting crowds, anti abortion activists can send activists to pray and shout at those having an abortion.The balance of rights between mother and unborn child is absolutely fine to debate in a sober and rational way. Bringing unreachable deities whose views we claim to know into the debate is unhelpful.And the unborn child is irrelevant I suppose? Most Muslim majority nations ban abortion of course except in the case of a risk to a woman's life, it is not just conservative Christian evangelicals and the Roman Catholic church antiFunny that out of all the rich variety of moralising, oppressive. cultish religions apparently waiting to destroy Britishness that it’s the Christers that are hanging about in groups to bully women at potentially one of the worst moments of their lives.Oh dear, we really are parotting braindead far right talking points today.If we can ban prayer outside abortion clinics then it can’t be beyond the wit of legislators.Farage says a Reform government would ban Muslim public prayers in the UKHa ha. What a prick. Completely unenforceable in any case. How do you prove that an assembly constitutes prayer or that the participants are Muslims? If Farage so wrecked our human rights law that this kind of thing became enforceable we would all be fucked, Muslim or otherwise.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/19/nigel-farage-condemned-over-call-to-ban-public-prayer-for-muslims-in-the-uk
You can ban protests in specific places, sure. So you could ban anyone from Trafalgar Square. The ban on "prayer" outside abortion clinics is a ban on any gathering designed to intimidate users of abortion clinics. It would apply to Muslims praying, Christians praying or atheists protesting without prayer. If the abortion clinic law attempted to ban Christian prayer specifically it would be laughed out of court and rightly so.
This allows me to trot out one of my vasectomy stories. As my wife drove me away from the clinic, in loose fitting trousers, feeling distinctly sorry for myself, a large bunch of angry middle aged Christians started shouting abuse at her (it was a beautiful Spring day and the windows were down. I was momentarily puzzled, then furious. Clearly they were under the impression we'd been for an abortion. Despite my incapacity, I was quite clean to get out the car and kick off. First, to correct them, second and more importantly - how fucking dare some Christian talk to my wife like that - I may have been sore but I am quite a large bloke and have never felt it more urgent to dish out violent retribution to these ponces or at the very least tell them how little I cared for the views of their imaginary sky fairy. Thirdly - check what's going on in there before protesting so rudely you fucking idiots. And fourthly (this overlapped with secondly, on reflection) - if we had just had an abortion, it was a decision we would have come to soberly and sadly and for some good reason and it was no business of their imaginary friend.
Happily for all concerned, it took me a while to get past puzzle and shock, and my wife is less keen to seek trouble than I am, and by the time all this aligned in my head we were at least a mile away.
Or you ban both as harassment. You have the same laws for right and left
That’s not equivalent to shouting at a member of the Royal Family. It’s not even close.
A very disappointing post even by this site’s standards.
Re: Trying to bet in a stupid and irrational world – politicalbetting.com
Good morning and Eid Mubarak.
I haven’t been on PB for a couple of weeks.
Is it still the case that Big G, Casino etc are wailing that Britain isn’t sufficiently obedient to the United States?
I haven’t been on PB for a couple of weeks.
Is it still the case that Big G, Casino etc are wailing that Britain isn’t sufficiently obedient to the United States?






