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Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
Yep. Like I know approx one third of Reform voters are racist. But if I meet one, a Reform voter, I'm not going to just assume they are that way inclined. I'll wait until they've said something dodgy before I make that call. And I won't just drop the hammer I'll give them a chance to explain first. Because I might have misconstrued them. It could be me at fault.The important bit is not disliking *groups*.A minefield topic too. As we see tonight. The biggest tell for me of somebody fallen down the prejudice hole on muslims is 'they shouldn't be here fouling up the place and taking over' type sentiments.The fun bit is when people don't realise what is going on inside their own heads. The number of people who quite genuinely believe that "because a mate at work is X, I can't be anti-X".You know that thing whereby closet antisemites religiously stick to slagging off "Israel" when inside their own head they mean Jews?In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of MuslimsIslamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.Phobia has a clinical definitionThat’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear IslamMy Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/Timothy must go?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Not the same thing
It's possible to pull off that exact same trick with "Muslims" and "Islam". And people do.
There are arseholes in all groups.
kinabalu
1
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
Anyway like an arsonist at the crime scene, he's nowhere to be seen as the fire rages.Yes I've noticed that. Populist firebrand. Thankfully I'm immune.One particular agent provocateur kicks this one off and before you know it one or two others have been triggered. It happens every time. Sometimes I wonder whether the agent provocateur even believes what he says, I suspect he just lights the touch paper and watches the inferno.A minefield topic too. As we see tonight. The biggest tell for me of somebody fallen down the prejudice hole on muslims is 'they shouldn't be here fouling up the place and taking over' type sentiments.The fun bit is when people don't realise what is going on inside their own heads. The number of people who quite genuinely believe that "because a mate at work is X, I can't be anti-X".You know that thing whereby closet antisemites religiously stick to slagging off "Israel" when inside their own head they mean Jews?In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of MuslimsIslamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.Phobia has a clinical definitionThat’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear IslamMy Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/Timothy must go?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Not the same thing
It's possible to pull off that exact same trick with "Muslims" and "Islam". And people do.
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
Yes I've noticed that. Populist firebrand. Thankfully I'm immune.One particular agent provocateur kicks this one off and before you know it one or two others have been triggered. It happens every time. Sometimes I wonder whether the agent provocateur even believes what he says, I suspect he just lights the touch paper and watches the inferno.A minefield topic too. As we see tonight. The biggest tell for me of somebody fallen down the prejudice hole on muslims is 'they shouldn't be here fouling up the place and taking over' type sentiments.The fun bit is when people don't realise what is going on inside their own heads. The number of people who quite genuinely believe that "because a mate at work is X, I can't be anti-X".You know that thing whereby closet antisemites religiously stick to slagging off "Israel" when inside their own head they mean Jews?In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of MuslimsIslamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.Phobia has a clinical definitionThat’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear IslamMy Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/Timothy must go?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Not the same thing
It's possible to pull off that exact same trick with "Muslims" and "Islam". And people do.
kinabalu
1
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
The mayor of the capital for the last 10 years is a practicing muslim, I haven't noticed any attempts to introduce sharia law or restrict people's activities in line with the teaching of the Quran, unless it has something to say on diesels and SUVs. He's also notably less bigoted than either of the two previous mayors.If you won't confront the Islamic issue, that's what you'll probably get. Don't complain that you weren't warned.I care about this country’s liberal traditions. Which is why I don’t want bigots in charge.Some of us care about this country's liberal traditions. If you don't then you may well get what you deserve.Yeah, I’m checking out.Yep. This is what the future looks like if Farage gets in.
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
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Some years ago, I pranked a bunch of students with a tale of USA'ian rednecks coming to Cornwall to re-open the tin mines. By the time I'd finished with the usual anti-immigrant tales, they were all for throwing them into the sea, in the very spirit of that sea captain in the time of Edward I
Some of this parish got very upset by the idea of Zimbabwean farmers coming here.
Probably, being anti-immigrant is one of those irregular verbs.
*A group. Think about that for a minute.
One bit of the immigration debate is that nearly everyone has a group* they don't want.A lot of people have come to the conclusion that the downsides of Islamic immigration outweigh the good. It’s not bigoted to think that, it’s a reasonable opinion, backed by some high profile incidents. We are westerners, they are not, and the hassle of trying and failing to integrate them is not worth it.What’s that got to do with the price of fish? Bigotry is not justified by the actions of a few individuals. Do you really think it’s fine for people to be bigoted against a group because a few individuals in that group have behaved poorly?Some British muslims blow stuff up. Some gypies living in Britain steal. What bad thing do you think some British Jews do? Do enlighten us.I kinda think it shouldn’t take a genocide for us to stop being bigoted against a group.Our special treatment of anti-semitism stems from the holocaust. Labour's proposed special treatment of islamaphobia stems from what? We got too grumpy and over-reacted when they blew up our tube trains?That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear IslamMy Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/Timothy must go?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
Why might we need the government to take some sort of action around Islamophobia? Well, look at this thread and the half a dozen people being very bigoted against Muslims, making up nonsense about Muslims, declaring Islam a unique threat. Two of the commonest bigotries in our country today are anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. (Ziganophobia is up there too.)
Some years ago, I pranked a bunch of students with a tale of USA'ian rednecks coming to Cornwall to re-open the tin mines. By the time I'd finished with the usual anti-immigrant tales, they were all for throwing them into the sea, in the very spirit of that sea captain in the time of Edward I
Some of this parish got very upset by the idea of Zimbabwean farmers coming here.
Probably, being anti-immigrant is one of those irregular verbs.
*A group. Think about that for a minute.
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
The important bit is not disliking *groups*.A minefield topic too. As we see tonight. The biggest tell for me of somebody fallen down the prejudice hole on muslims is 'they shouldn't be here fouling up the place and taking over' type sentiments.The fun bit is when people don't realise what is going on inside their own heads. The number of people who quite genuinely believe that "because a mate at work is X, I can't be anti-X".You know that thing whereby closet antisemites religiously stick to slagging off "Israel" when inside their own head they mean Jews?In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of MuslimsIslamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.Phobia has a clinical definitionThat’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear IslamMy Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/Timothy must go?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Not the same thing
It's possible to pull off that exact same trick with "Muslims" and "Islam". And people do.
There are arseholes in all groups.
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
One particular agent provocateur kicks this one off and before you know it one or two others have been triggered. It happens every time. Sometimes I wonder whether the agent provocateur even believes what he says, I suspect he just lights the touch paper and watches the inferno.A minefield topic too. As we see tonight. The biggest tell for me of somebody fallen down the prejudice hole on muslims is 'they shouldn't be here fouling up the place and taking over' type sentiments.The fun bit is when people don't realise what is going on inside their own heads. The number of people who quite genuinely believe that "because a mate at work is X, I can't be anti-X".You know that thing whereby closet antisemites religiously stick to slagging off "Israel" when inside their own head they mean Jews?In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of MuslimsIslamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.Phobia has a clinical definitionThat’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear IslamMy Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/Timothy must go?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Not the same thing
It's possible to pull off that exact same trick with "Muslims" and "Islam". And people do.
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
Oh what a riposte! it’s a triumph dahling!…The good news is I haven't.If you’ve decided everyone you disagree with is just nasty that must be a comforting line.It's quite rare for somebody to accept they're being bigoted. They'll tend to genuinely believe their opinion is reasonable and evidence based.A lot of people have come to the conclusion that the downsides of Islamic immigration outweigh the good. It’s not bigoted to think that, it’s a reasonable opinion, backed by some high profile incidents. We are westerners, they are not, and the hassle of trying and failing to integrate them is not worth it.What’s that got to do with the price of fish? Bigotry is not justified by the actions of a few individuals. Do you really think it’s fine for people to be bigoted against a group because a few individuals in that group have behaved poorly?Some British muslims blow stuff up. Some gypies living in Britain steal. What bad thing do you think some British Jews do? Do enlighten us.I kinda think it shouldn’t take a genocide for us to stop being bigoted against a group.Our special treatment of anti-semitism stems from the holocaust. Labour's proposed special treatment of islamaphobia stems from what? We got too grumpy and over-reacted when they blew up our tube trains?That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear IslamMy Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/Timothy must go?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
Why might we need the government to take some sort of action around Islamophobia? Well, look at this thread and the half a dozen people being very bigoted against Muslims, making up nonsense about Muslims, declaring Islam a unique threat. Two of the commonest bigotries in our country today are anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. (Ziganophobia is up there too.)
isam
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Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
…The good news is I haven't.If you’ve decided everyone you disagree with is just nasty that must be a comforting line.It's quite rare for somebody to accept they're being bigoted. They'll tend to genuinely believe their opinion is reasonable and evidence based.A lot of people have come to the conclusion that the downsides of Islamic immigration outweigh the good. It’s not bigoted to think that, it’s a reasonable opinion, backed by some high profile incidents. We are westerners, they are not, and the hassle of trying and failing to integrate them is not worth it.What’s that got to do with the price of fish? Bigotry is not justified by the actions of a few individuals. Do you really think it’s fine for people to be bigoted against a group because a few individuals in that group have behaved poorly?Some British muslims blow stuff up. Some gypies living in Britain steal. What bad thing do you think some British Jews do? Do enlighten us.I kinda think it shouldn’t take a genocide for us to stop being bigoted against a group.Our special treatment of anti-semitism stems from the holocaust. Labour's proposed special treatment of islamaphobia stems from what? We got too grumpy and over-reacted when they blew up our tube trains?That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear IslamMy Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/Timothy must go?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
Why might we need the government to take some sort of action around Islamophobia? Well, look at this thread and the half a dozen people being very bigoted against Muslims, making up nonsense about Muslims, declaring Islam a unique threat. Two of the commonest bigotries in our country today are anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. (Ziganophobia is up there too.)
kinabalu
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Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
A minefield topic too. As we see tonight. The biggest tell for me of somebody fallen down the prejudice hole on muslims is 'they shouldn't be here fouling up the place and taking over' type sentiments.The fun bit is when people don't realise what is going on inside their own heads. The number of people who quite genuinely believe that "because a mate at work is X, I can't be anti-X".You know that thing whereby closet antisemites religiously stick to slagging off "Israel" when inside their own head they mean Jews?In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of MuslimsIslamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.Phobia has a clinical definitionThat’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear IslamMy Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/Timothy must go?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Not the same thing
It's possible to pull off that exact same trick with "Muslims" and "Islam". And people do.
kinabalu
1
