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Re: Voters want it good not quick – politicalbetting.com
What a shame they weren't.It's not the worst place imaginable. Imagine if Johnson or Truss had been PM if this had kicked off. Fucking hell. They would have both had UK forces in the thick of it.Unfortunately, I think we are in the Suez situation, where Churchill said, 'I would never have started, but once started I would not have dared stop.'Good morningA Khameini is dead replaced by a younger enraged Khomeini whose father, wife and child have been killed by the Great Satan.Khameini is dead, that is already something achieved.It is a moronic war being directed by the demented and the alcoholic.If you only support things that are economically in your self interest that is greed not principles.Its a bit ironic that the main effect of the war that you support so enthusiastically is to make motor transport more expensive.No it is not.Sure its farcical but its a long sight better than Trump actually picking the bombing targets as LBJ did in Vietnam.
Republicans against Trump
@RpsAgainstTrump
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Trump: “They gave me a list of names. Sir, pick the name you like, sir! The name of what? The name of the attack on Iran, sir. They gave me like, 20 names. I'm like, falling asleep, I didn't like any of them.
Then I see Epic Fury. I said, I like that name”
https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2031842083326079472
The POTUS is Commander in Chief. Having the ultimate final say in approving targets is his job. If the military offer different targets and the President makes the final call on which to approve is his job.
Whatever the rights or wrongs of any war, the President like LBJ discussing strategy and making the ultimate call on strategic decision making is his job.
For them to say 'we have intelligence on the location of Khameini, should we strike?' and he says yes or no is his job.
Obsessing over the name of the operation, being like 'boring, boring, I'm falling asleep, oh that one is badass, I like that name' and thinking that is momentous enough to share? Not his job.
I accept the higher cost of fuel is a downside but it is still worth doing. We should be cutting the tax on that fuel though since the price is mainly tax anyway.
And failing in its objectives:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-us-intelligence-says-iran-230717678.html
I agree about Trump being a poor leader though and if he ends the war prematurely without success then he has failed.
And the Great Satan cannot restore shipping through the Gulf. Iran can - but will demand the removal of US bases in the Gulf.
And the enriched uranium is still in Iran.
Looks like a piss-poor outcome from where I'm standing.
Really disturbing news this morning from the gulf with Iran lashing out in an attempt to turn the world economies upside down
I see no positives in this war and Trump is utterly deranged
The genie is out of the bottle and chaos abounds
I hope the gulf states act together to find an off ramp because it is very much their war which to be fair they did not want nor start
I do not see how the Gulf States or Israel can be secure while the regime Israel and the US have created is in power in Tehran. This is a geopolitical deterioration as Khamanei was old and weak and muddled, too much so for major warfare against an organised enemy, while his son is not. (Incidentally the outlook for the people of Iran has worsened considerably as well, bad though it was before.)
Therefore the grim conclusion is it will have to be removed, somehow. The snag is although I'm no military expert I do not see how that can be done without a full invasion which nobody is contemplating.
We've therefore ended up in exactly the worst place imaginable, and it was entirely avaiudable.
Re: Voters want it good not quick – politicalbetting.com
WHY IS KINABALU SO FUCKING STUPIDMore to the point, why is the shark on the Cook Island $3* note called MANGO?
That’s the point that it -… er… jumped the…
* I’m with @SandyRentool
Re: Voters want it good not quick – politicalbetting.com
If anyone wants a pure dopamine hit of exquisite quality, try teaching Buddhism to several monks and nuns, fifteen regular attendees and half a dozen newbies on a Saturday morning.
Paying.
Then having a Q+A afterwards.
Without mentioning politics even if they do.
It's a delicious hit.
Am doing tranquil abiding next.
Paying.
Then having a Q+A afterwards.
Without mentioning politics even if they do.
It's a delicious hit.
Am doing tranquil abiding next.
Re: Voters want it good not quick – politicalbetting.com
That might not have made much difference given how little ability we have currently to deploy significant forces at that distance.It's not the worst place imaginable. Imagine if Johnson or Truss had been PM if this had kicked off. Fucking hell. They would have both had UK forces in the thick of it.Unfortunately, I think we are in the Suez situation, where Churchill said, 'I would never have started, but once started I would not have dared stop.'Good morningA Khameini is dead replaced by a younger enraged Khomeini whose father, wife and child have been killed by the Great Satan.Khameini is dead, that is already something achieved.It is a moronic war being directed by the demented and the alcoholic.If you only support things that are economically in your self interest that is greed not principles.Its a bit ironic that the main effect of the war that you support so enthusiastically is to make motor transport more expensive.No it is not.Sure its farcical but its a long sight better than Trump actually picking the bombing targets as LBJ did in Vietnam.
Republicans against Trump
@RpsAgainstTrump
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1h
Trump: “They gave me a list of names. Sir, pick the name you like, sir! The name of what? The name of the attack on Iran, sir. They gave me like, 20 names. I'm like, falling asleep, I didn't like any of them.
Then I see Epic Fury. I said, I like that name”
https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2031842083326079472
The POTUS is Commander in Chief. Having the ultimate final say in approving targets is his job. If the military offer different targets and the President makes the final call on which to approve is his job.
Whatever the rights or wrongs of any war, the President like LBJ discussing strategy and making the ultimate call on strategic decision making is his job.
For them to say 'we have intelligence on the location of Khameini, should we strike?' and he says yes or no is his job.
Obsessing over the name of the operation, being like 'boring, boring, I'm falling asleep, oh that one is badass, I like that name' and thinking that is momentous enough to share? Not his job.
I accept the higher cost of fuel is a downside but it is still worth doing. We should be cutting the tax on that fuel though since the price is mainly tax anyway.
And failing in its objectives:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-us-intelligence-says-iran-230717678.html
I agree about Trump being a poor leader though and if he ends the war prematurely without success then he has failed.
And the Great Satan cannot restore shipping through the Gulf. Iran can - but will demand the removal of US bases in the Gulf.
And the enriched uranium is still in Iran.
Looks like a piss-poor outcome from where I'm standing.
Really disturbing news this morning from the gulf with Iran lashing out in an attempt to turn the world economies upside down
I see no positives in this war and Trump is utterly deranged
The genie is out of the bottle and chaos abounds
I hope the gulf states act together to find an off ramp because it is very much their war which to be fair they did not want nor start
I do not see how the Gulf States or Israel can be secure while the regime Israel and the US have created is in power in Tehran. This is a geopolitical deterioration as Khamanei was old and weak and muddled, too much so for major warfare against an organised enemy, while his son is not. (Incidentally the outlook for the people of Iran has worsened considerably as well, bad though it was before.)
Therefore the grim conclusion is it will have to be removed, somehow. The snag is although I'm no military expert I do not see how that can be done without a full invasion which nobody is contemplating.
We've therefore ended up in exactly the worst place imaginable, and it was entirely avaiudable.
Nigelb
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Re: Voters want it good not quick – politicalbetting.com
Trump derangement syndrome :- the mistaken, complacent belief that people are getting hysterical about a Trump second term because nothing really bad happened in his first term
Fair play lads, not even the doomsayers expected it to be this unhinged! Only another 34 months, hopefully.
Fair play lads, not even the doomsayers expected it to be this unhinged! Only another 34 months, hopefully.
Re: Voters want it good not quick – politicalbetting.com
So it seems like I’m the most calm and pragmatic one on here this morning!Until Dubai raises taxes to pay for the war!
Re: Voters want it good not quick – politicalbetting.com
So it seems like I’m the most calm and pragmatic one on here this morning!
Sandpit
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Re: Voters want it good not quick – politicalbetting.com
The Reformygraph was very keen on taking Kharg the other day, quoting an article from some shady neo-con think tank fuckhead called Ian Bremmer saying how easy it would be. They neglected to quote his thoughts from the same article on holding the island.Soldiers have a tendency to want to get paid.
And seizing it is only half the battle. Say the US takes Kharg cleanly and holds it. Now you're stuck occupying critical infrastructure in the middle of the Persian Gulf indefinitely, defending against a hostile state with every incentive to take it back through drones, mines, sabotage, proxy attacks, terrorism, and slow attrition that bleeds you for years. And the leverage the US gets in exchange could turn out to be less than meets the eye. Iran can survive on dramatically reduced revenue. They'll impose austerity, crack down on dissent, blame America for economic suffering, and rally nationalist sentiment around resisting occupation. Tehran might calculate that enduring deprivation beats accepting American terms that amount to regime suicide.
https://www.gzeromedia.com/by-ian-bremmer/after-decapitation-whats-next
Iran was already broke and austere before this began. Cripple them economically to the point they can't.pay the IRGC grunts and see how long the regime survives.
Re: Voters want it good not quick – politicalbetting.com
All nations affected by the attacks on Gulf shipping, may have no option, but to go all in, against Iran.Arab states providing the ground troops could be a perfect solution.
Somebody needs to.
Re: Voters want it good not quick – politicalbetting.com
It's not the worst place imaginable. Imagine if Johnson or Truss had been PM if this had kicked off. Fucking hell. They would have both had UK forces in the thick of it.Unfortunately, I think we are in the Suez situation, where Churchill said, 'I would never have started, but once started I would not have dared stop.'Good morningA Khameini is dead replaced by a younger enraged Khomeini whose father, wife and child have been killed by the Great Satan.Khameini is dead, that is already something achieved.It is a moronic war being directed by the demented and the alcoholic.If you only support things that are economically in your self interest that is greed not principles.Its a bit ironic that the main effect of the war that you support so enthusiastically is to make motor transport more expensive.No it is not.Sure its farcical but its a long sight better than Trump actually picking the bombing targets as LBJ did in Vietnam.
Republicans against Trump
@RpsAgainstTrump
·
1h
Trump: “They gave me a list of names. Sir, pick the name you like, sir! The name of what? The name of the attack on Iran, sir. They gave me like, 20 names. I'm like, falling asleep, I didn't like any of them.
Then I see Epic Fury. I said, I like that name”
https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2031842083326079472
The POTUS is Commander in Chief. Having the ultimate final say in approving targets is his job. If the military offer different targets and the President makes the final call on which to approve is his job.
Whatever the rights or wrongs of any war, the President like LBJ discussing strategy and making the ultimate call on strategic decision making is his job.
For them to say 'we have intelligence on the location of Khameini, should we strike?' and he says yes or no is his job.
Obsessing over the name of the operation, being like 'boring, boring, I'm falling asleep, oh that one is badass, I like that name' and thinking that is momentous enough to share? Not his job.
I accept the higher cost of fuel is a downside but it is still worth doing. We should be cutting the tax on that fuel though since the price is mainly tax anyway.
And failing in its objectives:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-us-intelligence-says-iran-230717678.html
I agree about Trump being a poor leader though and if he ends the war prematurely without success then he has failed.
And the Great Satan cannot restore shipping through the Gulf. Iran can - but will demand the removal of US bases in the Gulf.
And the enriched uranium is still in Iran.
Looks like a piss-poor outcome from where I'm standing.
Really disturbing news this morning from the gulf with Iran lashing out in an attempt to turn the world economies upside down
I see no positives in this war and Trump is utterly deranged
The genie is out of the bottle and chaos abounds
I hope the gulf states act together to find an off ramp because it is very much their war which to be fair they did not want nor start
I do not see how the Gulf States or Israel can be secure while the regime Israel and the US have created is in power in Tehran. This is a geopolitical deterioration as Khamanei was old and weak and muddled, too much so for major warfare against an organised enemy, while his son is not. (Incidentally the outlook for the people of Iran has worsened considerably as well, bad though it was before.)
Therefore the grim conclusion is it will have to be removed, somehow. The snag is although I'm no military expert I do not see how that can be done without a full invasion which nobody is contemplating.
We've therefore ended up in exactly the worst place imaginable, and it was entirely avaiudable.
Dura_Ace
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