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Narcissistic prick.

Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?

That depends on how they display it. Zlatan Ibrahimović for example.

Humility is not necessarily, er, necessary, but disguising ambition and narcissism can be important to be likeable.

I don't get a massive ego vibe from Burnham, though as a senior politician I'm sure he has one, that kind of self-belief is useful to get ahead.

Just looking at this from the outside and from a position of scorn for all party systems.

Is it not possible that this is just a basic belief that Starmer is leading Labour and the Country in the wrong direction and that he believes he can do a better job? Is that ambition and narcissism or just normal behaviour? In any walk of life if you think someone is doing a bad job and will elad you to disaster the you do something about it. In Vietnam they fragged their officers.

Narcissistic prick.

Would you say that about a sportsman who was ambitious for success?

That depends on how they display it. Zlatan Ibrahimović for example.

Humility is not necessarily, er, necessary, but disguising ambition and narcissism can be important to be likeable.

I don't get a massive ego vibe from Burnham, though as a senior politician I'm sure he has one, that kind of self-belief is useful to get ahead.

Just looking at this from the outside and from a position of scorn for all party systems.

Is it not possible that this is just a basic belief that Starmer is leading Labour and the Country in the wrong direction and that he believes he can do a better job? Is that ambition and narcissism or just normal behaviour? In any walk of life if you think someone is doing a bad job and will elad you to disaster the you do something about it. In Vietnam they fragged their officers.

Let's say you're right. What does he want to change? How is he going to fund it? What does he think the answers are to our multitude of problems? I genuinely have no idea. His platform, as far as I can work it out, is I am a much nicer bloke than that Starmer and people will therefore like me more. It's not enough. If I am wrong I would welcome the correction but right now this seems an ego trip.

FPT.
Big_G_NorthWales said:

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It is Angela Rayner and a host of labour mps pushing for him which you don't seem to like but never mind, blame the tories !!!

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Totally agree Big_G_North Wales. It is the Labour party and their grassroots and the political lobby that have become obsessed with the possibility of Andy Burnham returning to front line Westminster politics as a potential stalking horse to take on and replace Keir Starmer and there has been a real rewriting of history and bigging up of his political credentials to boot.

To be honest I think he missed his chance when he didn't take the opportunity to run in a safe Labour seat back in the 2024 GE if he was that single mindedly personally ambitious to become the next Labour leader. I suspect the voters would not take kindly to a Labour candidate so clearly using a by-election in their constituency seat as a vehicle for their personal ambitions in this way in the current febrile UK political scene. Plus, it would be a hell of risk trying to return to Westminster as a challenger to Keir Starmer's leadership while Labour's polling is so dire and you could not rely on either him or the whole Labour party turning out in any real effort to help your campaign even if you managed to get selected locally.

I found it really telling that just weeks ago Reform were calling for all defecting MPs to trigger a by-election so they could win a mandate as a local MP representing their new party, and yet neither Robert Jenrick or Andrew Rosindell with the backing of the Reform leadership are now prepared to take that gamble so have left the voters in their constituencies without a voice about their defections until the next GE. A huge political mistake that I think will backfire on both of them at the next GE what ever party polling of Reform, but then I think that Robert Jenrick blew up his own personal political career when he defected in the way he did and doing the media rounds while focussing on his petty attempts to try to rescue his reputation and reclaim the political agenda to try to justify his actions this week as far more important global and domestic issues took precedence while he did this just amplified he how diminished he had become as result.