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There’s a Tory Party I’d vote for somewhere in the people that are left, especially if Labour get rid of Starmer and go to the left with Burnham “who cares about the bond markets anyway”.

Taking Braverman was a big strategic error in my view for Reform.

She's obviously a flake given her record of sackings and resignations, with a very high opinion of her own abilities not sured by anyone else.
Zahawi, Jenrick and Braverman. Jeez, what a shower. These were always the sort of people who made you slightly embarrassed to be a Tory.

Luckily, there are only 5 of you Tory voters left in the entire UK. So the sum total of human embarrassment is modest

Mebbes.
But the polling analysis from the new Tory ginger group ProsperUK (Andy Street, Ruth Davidson et al) shows a LOT of potential for a centre-right party. There are a few of us around, even now.
And, let's face it, have you ever seen a more unprepossessing bunch of bampots than the Tory defectors (Danny Kruger possibly excepted). A bunch of entitled narcissists who would be at each others throats 5 minutes into govt.

Jenrick is good. Talented. Ambitious. Clever. Like it or not - presumably not in your case - he understands social media and he knows how to use it and he is literally the only Tory to have made the political weather at any point (Badenoch excepted, but she’s the leader) since the election

And they’ve lost him. The Tory party is not in any position to lose raw political talent. About the only other one they possess is Katie Lam. And now she’s going too?

I do think this could be terminal

It really isn't terminal. It's far easier to imagine circumstances in which Reform disappears than the Tories. Ultimately Reform is a NOTA protest party. Bit like Corbyn Labour which, not so long ago, had 500k members.
Jenrick made a massive mistake. Given the split on the right, it's quite likely we'll have some form of left govt after 2029. He would have been brilliantly positioned as the Unite the Right candidate after Farage retires and Badenoch resigns - if he had stuck with the Tories. Completely blown it now. Whether Katie Lam is any brighter we'll soon find out.

Jacob Rees Mogg is now the clear frontrunner to be the unite the right candidate in 2029 if both Farage and Kemi/Cleverly lose.

Mogg is likely to return to the Commons soon in a by election in his old seat
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/04/06/uk-governing-party-suspends-mp-dan-norris-after-rape-arrest_6739879_4.html

I don't think even JRM could possibly believe that. But who might fill the role is an interesting question.

No current Tories will ever accept being led by anyone now in Reform and no current Reformers will accept being led by anyone in the Tories except perhaps JRM.

So logic leads to Mogg if Reform and the Tories both lose the next general election

If you think Mogg is the answer than you are in a world of your own

If you want a candidate to unite the right as Corbyn united the left then Mogg's your man!

There’s a Tory Party I’d vote for somewhere in the people that are left, especially if Labour get rid of Starmer and go to the left with Burnham “who cares about the bond markets anyway”.

Taking Braverman was a big strategic error in my view for Reform.

She's obviously a flake given her record of sackings and resignations, with a very high opinion of her own abilities not sured by anyone else.
Zahawi, Jenrick and Braverman. Jeez, what a shower. These were always the sort of people who made you slightly embarrassed to be a Tory.

Luckily, there are only 5 of you Tory voters left in the entire UK. So the sum total of human embarrassment is modest

Mebbes.
But the polling analysis from the new Tory ginger group ProsperUK (Andy Street, Ruth Davidson et al) shows a LOT of potential for a centre-right party. There are a few of us around, even now.
And, let's face it, have you ever seen a more unprepossessing bunch of bampots than the Tory defectors (Danny Kruger possibly excepted). A bunch of entitled narcissists who would be at each others throats 5 minutes into govt.

Jenrick is good. Talented. Ambitious. Clever. Like it or not - presumably not in your case - he understands social media and he knows how to use it and he is literally the only Tory to have made the political weather at any point (Badenoch excepted, but she’s the leader) since the election

And they’ve lost him. The Tory party is not in any position to lose raw political talent. About the only other one they possess is Katie Lam. And now she’s going too?

I do think this could be terminal

It really isn't terminal. It's far easier to imagine circumstances in which Reform disappears than the Tories. Ultimately Reform is a NOTA protest party. Bit like Corbyn Labour which, not so long ago, had 500k members.
Jenrick made a massive mistake. Given the split on the right, it's quite likely we'll have some form of left govt after 2029. He would have been brilliantly positioned as the Unite the Right candidate after Farage retires and Badenoch resigns - if he had stuck with the Tories. Completely blown it now. Whether Katie Lam is any brighter we'll soon find out.

Jacob Rees Mogg is now the clear frontrunner to be the unite the right candidate in 2029 if both Farage and Kemi/Cleverly lose.

Mogg is likely to return to the Commons soon in a by election in his old seat
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/04/06/uk-governing-party-suspends-mp-dan-norris-after-rape-arrest_6739879_4.html

I don't think even JRM could possibly believe that. But who might fill the role is an interesting question.

So logic leads to Mogg if Reform and the Tories both lose the next general election

There’s a Tory Party I’d vote for somewhere in the people that are left, especially if Labour get rid of Starmer and go to the left with Burnham “who cares about the bond markets anyway”.

Taking Braverman was a big strategic error in my view for Reform.

She's obviously a flake given her record of sackings and resignations, with a very high opinion of her own abilities not sured by anyone else.
Zahawi, Jenrick and Braverman. Jeez, what a shower. These were always the sort of people who made you slightly embarrassed to be a Tory.

Luckily, there are only 5 of you Tory voters left in the entire UK. So the sum total of human embarrassment is modest

Mebbes.
But the polling analysis from the new Tory ginger group ProsperUK (Andy Street, Ruth Davidson et al) shows a LOT of potential for a centre-right party. There are a few of us around, even now.
And, let's face it, have you ever seen a more unprepossessing bunch of bampots than the Tory defectors (Danny Kruger possibly excepted). A bunch of entitled narcissists who would be at each others throats 5 minutes into govt.

Jenrick is good. Talented. Ambitious. Clever. Like it or not - presumably not in your case - he understands social media and he knows how to use it and he is literally the only Tory to have made the political weather at any point (Badenoch excepted, but she’s the leader) since the election

And they’ve lost him. The Tory party is not in any position to lose raw political talent. About the only other one they possess is Katie Lam. And now she’s going too?

I do think this could be terminal

It really isn't terminal. It's far easier to imagine circumstances in which Reform disappears than the Tories. Ultimately Reform is a NOTA protest party. Bit like Corbyn Labour which, not so long ago, had 500k members.
Jenrick made a massive mistake. Given the split on the right, it's quite likely we'll have some form of left govt after 2029. He would have been brilliantly positioned as the Unite the Right candidate after Farage retires and Badenoch resigns - if he had stuck with the Tories. Completely blown it now. Whether Katie Lam is any brighter we'll soon find out.

Jacob Rees Mogg is now the clear frontrunner to be the unite the right candidate in 2029 if both Farage and Kemi/Cleverly lose.

Mogg is likely to return to the Commons soon in a by election in his old seat
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/04/06/uk-governing-party-suspends-mp-dan-norris-after-rape-arrest_6739879_4.html

I don't think even JRM could possibly believe that. But who might fill the role is an interesting question.

No current Tories will ever accept being led by anyone now in Reform and no current Reformers will accept being led by anyone in the Tories except perhaps JRM.

So logic leads to Mogg if Reform and the Tories both lose the next general election

There’s a Tory Party I’d vote for somewhere in the people that are left, especially if Labour get rid of Starmer and go to the left with Burnham “who cares about the bond markets anyway”.

Taking Braverman was a big strategic error in my view for Reform.

She's obviously a flake given her record of sackings and resignations, with a very high opinion of her own abilities not sured by anyone else.
Zahawi, Jenrick and Braverman. Jeez, what a shower. These were always the sort of people who made you slightly embarrassed to be a Tory.

Luckily, there are only 5 of you Tory voters left in the entire UK. So the sum total of human embarrassment is modest

Mebbes.
But the polling analysis from the new Tory ginger group ProsperUK (Andy Street, Ruth Davidson et al) shows a LOT of potential for a centre-right party. There are a few of us around, even now.
And, let's face it, have you ever seen a more unprepossessing bunch of bampots than the Tory defectors (Danny Kruger possibly excepted). A bunch of entitled narcissists who would be at each others throats 5 minutes into govt.

Jenrick is good. Talented. Ambitious. Clever. Like it or not - presumably not in your case - he understands social media and he knows how to use it and he is literally the only Tory to have made the political weather at any point (Badenoch excepted, but she’s the leader) since the election

And they’ve lost him. The Tory party is not in any position to lose raw political talent. About the only other one they possess is Katie Lam. And now she’s going too?

I do think this could be terminal

Katie Lam is probably too posh for Reform.

She dresses posh and codes posh and has Lottie as a middle name, but is she actually posh?

She went to a comprehensive.