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Re: Oh, Angie, don’t you weep – politicalbetting.com
If she is admitting guilt, and proved guilty by the investigation, Rayner cannot possibly stay as an MP.It can’t be fraud if it wasn’t done knowingly & there’s no evidence that Rayner deliberately chose to pay the wrong rate of stamp duty. Given that she only had to wait six months for her son to reach 18 to avoid the need for the higher rate altogether it seems clear that she was entirely unaware of the need for her to pay it at that time.
Fraudsters and criminals cannot be legislators.
Inadvertent underpayment of tax which is promptly disclosed to HMRC when it’s brought to your attention is not grounds for dismissal of an MP.

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Re: Oh, Angie, don’t you weep – politicalbetting.com
Funny how her carelessness gained her 40k and not the other way round.......

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Re: Oh, Angie, don’t you weep – politicalbetting.com
AIUI to error was that though she was not longer party to the original house ownership she was still drawn into her child's trust purely because the child is still under 18. This is very esoteric knowledge IMO and also I would say counter-intuitive.So not everyone on here's a shit. That's good to know.Rayner was aways the embodiment of gobby Lefty entitlement.I've been away so catching up on this story.
The sympathy well is bone dry.
I think I disagree on both of your counts.
The conveyancing solicitor pays the stamp duty land tax as part of their tallying-up process. Most people would not doubt or check that the tax stated by the solicitor is correct. Raynor, remember, is a dim Labour MP who is, like the rest, numerically 'uninterested'. I very much doubt she knows much about tax rates in general. I doubt, therefore, that this was deliberate.
She no doubt sold her remaining stake in the existing house to her child's trust so that the new property would be the only property she would own, meaning the penalty second home tax rate would not apply. I can understand this. When the error came to light she immediately offered to pay the extra to HMRC.
So, as much as I dislike her, and think her unfit for office, I DO have sympathy over this issue and do not see it to be serious enough for her to go.

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Re: Like Churchill will Boris Johnson defect from the Tories? – politicalbetting.com
A million seconds is 11 days; a billion seconds is 30 years.Claudia Webbe the latest MP who can’t do basic maths.Why is it that so many politicians are all at sea when they need to deal with numbers greater than they can do on fingers and toes? The inability to sort out millions from billions from trillions should disqualify them from office, when the job of running the country requires a rudimentary understanding of Big Numbers.
https://x.com/claudiawebbe/status/1963549666403840509
To paraphrase, assets of billionaires are £620bn, taxing them 3% raises £40bn which funds the entire NHS.
Err no Claudia, 3% of £620bn is £18.6bn, and the NHS budget is more than £200bn.
(Assuming of course that the billionaires don’t relocate to Delaware or Dubai, and just happily pay 3% of their wealth every year).
Re: Oh, Angie, don’t you weep – politicalbetting.com
Duchess of Kent dies at 92:Must say I had no idea she was still alive.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy5v4lgkqpo
A figure from another era.
That being the 1970's Daily Express.
RIP.
Re: Oh, Angie, don’t you weep – politicalbetting.com
It’ll be that the Trust lawyers knew nothing about a new property purchase, and the conveyancers knew nothing about the Trust. The only person with the whole picture was Rayner herself.Raynor also claimed to have consulted two different trust lawyers, as well as her conveyancers. I presume those consultations turned out to be imaginary, or at the very least wildly insufficient to protect her from any liability.I did post their statement on here and said I leave it thereYup big scalp for the Telegraph. Last night's exclusive statement from the conveyancing firm was when it was all over.It will annoy many on here, but the Telegraph were at the forefront of the investigations and the only unknown is who was doing the leaking to them ?I think the nail in the coffin was the statement from her conveyancers after she tried to throw them under the bus.I wonder if she had kept strum she might have got away with it. Instead she came out throwing everybody else under the bus, claiming was them lawyers fault.
I am sure TSE will tell us, "You come at thekinglawyers, you best not miss."
It was obviously a devastating response but the conveyancers were quite rightly defending their position

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Re: Oh, Angie, don’t you weep – politicalbetting.com
After all this, people still can't spell her name! RaynEr.
Re: Oh, Angie, don’t you weep – politicalbetting.com
Angela Rayner broke the ministerial code by failing to pay the correct amount of stamp duty on her seaside flat, the ethics watchdog has found.
In his letter to the Prime Minister, Sir Laurie Magnus, the independent adviser on ministerial interests, said: “It is highly unfortunate [...] that Ms Rayner failed to pay the correct rate of SDLT on this purchase, particularly given her status and responsibilities as the Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government and as Deputy Prime Minister.
“She believed that she relied on the legal advice she had received, but unfortunately did not heed the caution contained within it, which acknowledged that it did not constitute expert tax advice and which suggested that expert advice be sought.”
Sir Laurie said it was “deeply regrettable that the specific tax advice was not sought”, adding: “I believe Ms Rayner has acted with integrity and with a dedicated and exemplary commitment to public service.
“I consider, however, that her unfortunate failure to settle her SDLT liability at the correct level, coupled with the fact that this was established only following intensive public scrutiny, leads me to advise you that, in relation to this matter, she cannot be considered to have met the “highest possible standards of proper conduct” as envisaged by the Code.
“Accordingly, it is with deep regret that I must advise you that in these circumstances, I consider the Code to have been breached.”
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Was billy bullshitting about all this legal advice.
One thing.
WTF is with the "with deep regret"?
You have a role. In that role, you found she was banged to rights. Enough with your deep regret that you had to end her career. She did that herself.
"Have the jury reached a verdict upon which you are all agreed?"
"With deep regret, we have...."
Re: Oh, Angie, don’t you weep – politicalbetting.com
Perhaps if she hadn’t spent the last decade and a half being a mouthy gobshite, constantly calling for resignations of political opponents for the slightest of perceived infractions, there might be a little more sympathy out there for her £40,000 of tax avoidance.Bye bye Angie, don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out.What a horrible comment.

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Re: Oh, Angie, don’t you weep – politicalbetting.com
Try claiming to HMRC that you have taken advice from 2 other legal firms on this matter and they say it is all above board and when you are asked for the proof you can't provide it.Rayner was aways the embodiment of gobby Lefty entitlement.I've been away so catching up on this story.
The sympathy well is bone dry.
I think I disagree on both of your counts.
The conveyancing solicitor pays the stamp duty land tax as part of their tallying-up process. Most people would not doubt or check that the tax stated by the solicitor is correct. Raynor, remember, is a dim Labour MP who is, like the rest, numerically 'uninterested'. I very much doubt she knows much about tax rates in general. I doubt, therefore, that this was deliberate.
She no doubt sold her remaining stake in the existing house to her child's trust so that the new property would be the only property she would own, meaning the penalty second home tax rate would not apply. I can understand this. When the error came to light she immediately offered to pay the extra to HMRC.
So, as much as I dislike her, and think her unfit for office, I DO have sympathy over this issue and do not see it to be serious enough for her to go.