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Fpt for @Casino_Royale in Gregg’s

It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?

Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain

Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave

This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course

I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.

Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.

Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”

I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.

Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?

Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels"
Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".

Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.

You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.

Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.

They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.

It's not dishonest. The issue you are picking up on changes the substance of what is being said so little it is almost irrelevant.
As a conparison:
Person A: I'm going to Manchester to watch football. Manchester United are my favourite team I'm really looking forward to watching them play at their home ground.
Person B: Manchester United play their home matches at Old Trafford, which is outside the city of Manchester. You are being dishonest.

You see how person B is technically correct and yet the detail he is picking up on is fundamentally unimportant to the point person A is making? We engage in massive nitpickery online, but noone in the real world would accuse person A of lying.

But Leon is lying. This isn’t nitpicking. Asylum seekers are not housed in 4-star hotels. They are sometimes housed in what used to be 4-star hotels.

It’s like saying that Leon had sex with a 14-year old prostitute. He responds that she was of age, and the first person then says, “But she used to be 14.” It’s the same logic.

Except the hotels are still there and still being advertised as 4-star hotels all over the internet. It's not the same logic.

Fpt for @Casino_Royale in Gregg’s

It’s also broken windows theory in action. With every shoplift tolerated, every ticket easily dodged, every tag of graffiti met with a shrug, the social contract frays. The law abiding citizens ask themselves - why the fuck am I paying? Am I the sucker here?

Ditto dodgy asylum seekers in 4 star hotels as honest people spend years trying to get the right to remain

Meanwhile tax payers are quietly enraged, and very high taxpayers simply leave

This is the frog boiling of an entire nation and it will end with a reform government and then something worse if we don’t change course

I think it might have been Barty who called out your 4* hotel lie last week, citing Copthorne who were undergoing difficult trading prior to COVID and latterly asylum. Whoever it was specified the requirements for a hotel to be 4* and explained that all the 4*edness had been stripped out of Copthorne locations for our asylum seeking friends.

Yet you are still allowed to post nonsense unchallenged. What next? Quoting Andrew Tate's X account as source material. Oh wait, apologies, that was Nigel Farage.

Good luck in going to the voters while saying “it WAS a four star hotel when we took it over and gave it to asylum seekers, but we closed the gym and they only get laundry done twice a week, and free heath care, and immediate dental work, and you’re paying for it all, and you can’t use the hotel. So it’s really only like a weird 3 star with a private hospital. That you are paying for. So that these men can wander around your town freaking you out. Vote for more of this!”

I don't think people pointing out that you are full of shit are trying to persuade voters of anything. They are just trying to point out to you that you are full of shit.

Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this simple point?

Person A: "asylum seekers are being held in four star hotels"
Person B: "actually, no, when the governmemt leases them for asylum seekers, some of the facilities on which stars are awarded are shut down so technically it is no longer a four star hotel".

Why is it so difficult to see that while person B is not wrong on that point of detail, he is very much losing the argument.

You also seen to have completely missed my very simple point.

Nobody is trying to persuade Leon that asylum seekers are great.

They are engaged in the utterly futile endeavor of trying to get him to occasionally post something that isn't dishonest.

OK let's take literally my last post, about the Lib Dems

"You literally tried to Revoke the biggest vote in British history, and this is AFTER you all campaigned to get it reversed without ever enacting it in a "people's vote" - like the people didn't vote the first time??"

What is the dishonesty there?

Fair play to Labour.

It must have been extraordinarily difficult to come up with something that would send their working class voters more into the arms of Farage than the Winter Fuel Cut but... bloody hell... they've found something.

Just wait till the public realize how many countries the UK has the same deal with !

We seem to live in an age where the public seem to be in a constant state of anger about something . It’s not healthy .

The real Brexit is one of autarky. We don't want foreigners and their wares.

The EU is hugely protectionist. When members, we were forced to perpetuate that. Now we have the choice, at least. I hope free trade prevails. But either way, it is better in the hands of the people.

Unless you consider White Europe to be the world, of course.

While the EU is far from perfect (and I voted Brexit and don't regret my vote), I've never been particularly convinced by this argument.

The sum total of tariffs collected by the EU is EUR28bn/year. That's - in the general scheme of things - nothing.

They've also been pretty good at agreeing free trade with some of the world's poorest countries.

Now, sure, do they have a whole bunch of regulations about what's standard? Yes. But then, so does the US, China, and Japan.

You voted for Brexit? I miserably failed to cotton on to that over the last 9 years. 😊 I voted Remain after hesitating for several seconds in the polling booth.

Wait until you hear how RochdalePioneers voted

Fair play to Labour.

It must have been extraordinarily difficult to come up with something that would send their working class voters more into the arms of Farage than the Winter Fuel Cut but... bloody hell... they've found something.

Just wait till the public realize how many countries the UK has the same deal with !

We seem to live in an age where the public seem to be in a constant state of anger about something . It’s not healthy .

The real Brexit is one of autarky. We don't want foreigners and their wares.

The EU is hugely protectionist. When members, we were forced to perpetuate that. Now we have the choice, at least. I hope free trade prevails. But either way, it is better in the hands of the people.

Unless you consider White Europe to be the world, of course.

While the EU is far from perfect (and I voted Brexit and don't regret my vote), I've never been particularly convinced by this argument.

The sum total of tariffs collected by the EU is EUR28bn/year. That's - in the general scheme of things - nothing.

They've also been pretty good at agreeing free trade with some of the world's poorest countries.

Now, sure, do they have a whole bunch of regulations about what's standard? Yes. But then, so does the US, China, and Japan.

MEANWHILE

BREAKING:

Indian missiles start striking Pakistani territory in at least 3 locations.

The Indian attack is now in full swing. Lots of fighter jets in the air.

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1919848022596255826

I’ll be interested to see what this does for community relations in some of our more diverse cities.

TWO FRONT WAR FOR ME - Both my neighbours are Muslim. Such is life!

Why ? Are they of Pakistani heritage ? The war is India v Pakistan not India v Islam.

How did modern Pakistan and India come about?

Mountbatten’s utter stupidity.

Highly debatable. The idea for a Pakistan had well established itself before Mountbatten was appointed.

Do you know who was a big fan of creating a Pakistan? Churchill.

I thought Churchill was an Islamophobe?

Churchill was a complicated figure! This is an interesting piece: https://www.churchillarchive.com/winston-churchill-and-the-islamic-world

Did you know Churchill spoke out vehemently AGAINST the Amritsar Massacre?

https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/amritsar-massacre/