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Re: Wes Streeting displays absolutely no subtlety as he goes on manoeuvres – politicalbetting.com
Ah the old 'accuse the other side of your own foibles' technique. Not a bad effort either. But the gold standard purveyors probably remain Trump/Maga.Will Streeting has gone down in my estimation.Economic literacy has never been part of the pro-EU argument. It is all vibes, and all inadequate craven people who desperately want the Swedes, the French and the Germans to like them. It's an emotional argument - it has never been a logical one.
A customs union is economically illiterate.
kinabalu
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Re: Wes Streeting displays absolutely no subtlety as he goes on manoeuvres – politicalbetting.com
An interesting theory:And they wonder why their young white male sons have been voting for Trump, Farage and Reform, the AfD, Le Pen and RN, Brothers of Italy, One Nation in Australia etc
"Sean Thomas
The economic purge of the young white male
How the Boomers sacrificed their sons to save themselves" (£)
https://spectator.com/article/the-economic-purge-of-the-young-white-male
HYUFD
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Re: Wes Streeting displays absolutely no subtlety as he goes on manoeuvres – politicalbetting.com
I heard that @Sandpit and @Luckyguy1983 actually refuse to allow chairs in the house, preferring, like Lady Whiteadder, to sit on a spike.
Re: Wes Streeting displays absolutely no subtlety as he goes on manoeuvres – politicalbetting.com
Nope. Barrat having been building shit for years.Building standards were higher before all the Polish and Lithuanian builders went home....Yes, it is.Are we really saying that a council could not create a dwelling for less than £440,000. That's an endightment of current building costs, planning laws, council efficiency, and half a dozen other things before it's an endightment of Right to buy.Yep I'm an idiot - but the fact that the Telegraph is saying right to buy (THE Thatcherite policy) was a bad idea with serious consequences is incredibly interesting.Interesting article in the Telegraph saying Help to buy has created a whole set of housing problems at great expense to tax payersThe article is about Right to buy - which is different to Help to buy.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/a783b34855474f85
It's so left field I wonder what the long term agenda is for reform - actively building social housing?
The crapulence of what is actually built for that money is another indictment.
In recent years, we have seen properties torn down as irredeemably defective which are a year or two old.
In some cases *before completion*
With Polish labour. And all the other Eastern Europeans.
It’s a simple thing, that the Victorians understood. Hell, the Medievals had a clue on the subject.
If you have a standard, you get two things. A potentially better product for the consumer. You also create an opportunity for the unscrupulous.
A simple example is the minimum wage. As it goes up, this increases the incentives to pay people less.
During the early 2000s my relative who runs a building company tried to get something done about the following - in whole swathes of London, it was not possible to compete with illegal builders (cash in hand, illegal employment, gross violations of H & S, gross violations of building standards).
Nothing was done - because, as he was told, it was policy to ignore it.
The answer is not to abolish standards. But as those Victorians (and Medievals , with the Guilds) understood, a regulation or a standard is worse than useless without… drum roll… *enforcement*
What you need is simple, clear standards. And teeth in enforcement.
Instead we have had a nearly exponential increase in paperwork. And reductions in enforcement.
Imagine a big site. The Big Builders have actually subcontracted the site to A, who have subcontracted down the alphabet to about Q. Who digs the ditches for the foundation six inches less than plan - quicker, cheaper (less concrete and rebar). This is (largely) because Q is being squeezed on price.
The Big Builders know. But they don’t know in the legal, provable sense.
The inspectors look at the foundations for one house. That’s done properly. The others have been filled with concrete before they got there. So sorry. Just sign here.
When it gets found out, Q has gone out of business (different Ltd for each job).
Re: Wes Streeting displays absolutely no subtlety as he goes on manoeuvres – politicalbetting.com
An interesting theory:"Theory" lol.
"Sean Thomas
The economic purge of the young white male
How the Boomers sacrificed their sons to save themselves" (£)
https://spectator.com/article/the-economic-purge-of-the-young-white-male
Re: Wes Streeting displays absolutely no subtlety as he goes on manoeuvres – politicalbetting.com
If there is sufficient braking (sic) distance I would not put that in the category of walking out directly in front of you.They likely would. Certainly provided it could be shown they could have had enough breaking distance to stopI doubt any driver or cyclist would be prosecuted for hitting a pedestrian who walks out directly in front of them. There is a reaction time and a braking distance that you need to factor in. Cyclists in particular are always riding defensively, because if we hit a pedestrian we may well be injured as much as they are (from a weight point of view the bike itself is typically marginal: a cyclist colliding with a pedestrian is just two people hitting each other).They may do but you will still likely get the blame if that pedestrian is killed or injured and be prosecuted. A prosecutor would say you were still at least careless if not as a driver or cyclist being ready to brake or take evasive action at all timesYou can usually tell when someone will walk out in front of you - they will be walking towards the kerb while looking at their phone. At this point you can ring your bell or shout - but they often also have headphones on. You can brake or take evasive action - having first checked that this will not put you under the wheels of a bus. Sometimes they just step out in front of you with no warning, though.She should but the law works on extra caution the more dangerous the vehicle. So lorry drivers have to pay extra attention to drivers, drivers to cyclists and motorcycles and pedestrians and cyclists to pedestrians etc. Even if the pedestrian or cyclist or motorcyclist was slightly at fault the driver will normally get the blame or the cyclist if a pedestrian unless say a motorcycle was being driven massively over the speed limitThey used wanton and furious driving in this caseSince when has death by dangerous cycling, death by careless cycling or serious injury by dangerous or careless cycling been UK law for cyclists unlike the equivalent death or serious injury offences by dangerous or careless driving for drivers of vehicles?Mark Pack is standing down as Lib Dem President from January 1st, so he will have more time on his hands (as if!).One would think the ID card Bill, and rejoining the EU moving the agenda, are both in the LibDem’s favour?Mark Pack is a good scout and he has been dutifully recording the LD's ups and downs since the GE. It's been generally a pattern of modest progress, and I would expect that to continue through the May contests.You may see some LD gains from the Tories, Labour and SNP but offset by some LD losses to the Greens and Reform and PlaidWith both Tories and Labour down, I'd be surprised and disappointed if the LDs just tread water. National opinion polls during the 2022 local campaign period had Labour on around 40%, the Tories on around 34%, with the LDs at 10%. The political situation now is hugely better for the LDs in relation to both the major parties, notwithstanding Reform's huge surge from just 5% back then.I suspect Labour will actually get about 20%, win London overall still and do better than expected in Scotland where Holyrood polls suggest Labour gains from the SNP as in the Hamilton by election. That will stop a bad night for Starmer becoming a catastrophe and may save his jobLabour won a NEV of 35% in 2022, and will probably win about 10-15% in May. Reform won nothing in 2022, and will probably win 25-30% next year. The Greens would surge, but the traditional outperformance in local elections by the Lib Dem’s will take a lot of votes that would otherwise go to them. The Conservatives will probably win 20-25%, compared to 30% in 2022.I think it depends on how desperate Labour becomes, which itself depends on how catastrophic the local elections are. If Labour has a true mare - for example losing control of London Boroughs which they currently run with large majorities - then switching to Streeting might be on the cards. The one caveat is if the big winner in the cities happens to be the Greens, Labour members might conclude that being more radical and passionate and tacking left is what's required.There's a lot of engineering him into position I think, and Starmer is clearly on board - not sure how else someone openly campaigning for the top job is still in the Cabinet. He is the annointed successor - and always was.Doubt he is anointed. There was number 10 briefing against him about a month ago.
For that reason, I don't think he makes it.
IMO wouldn't be surprised if Starmer sacks him, says he needs to bring someone in to end the strikes.
What that likely means is Labour being hit on multiple fronts.
Boroughs like Barnsley, Wakefield, Sunderland, Halton, Sandwell, Thurrock will go Reform.
Islington, Hackney, Camden, Lambeth, Birmingham, Southwark, Brent, South Tyneside, will be lost to NOC at least (Your Party will also be challenging in some).
The Tories will lose a string of counties and new unitaries to Reform, but pick up Westminster, Barnet, Wandsworth,
And of course, the results in Wales and Scotland will be horrid.
Otherwise agree with Reform and the Greens likely the main winners next year plus Plaid in Wales and the LDs treading water as the Tories and Labour collapse
I hope to engage him in suggesting ways in which members of the House of Lords can be held to account when they waste the time of the HoL repeatedly spouting inane bollocks into the national conversation, displaying the hinterland of a lobotomised slug.
(That follows a particular recent debate on aspects of 'cycling' where there were peers reading out bits of the Telegraph, and proposing amendments to introduce laws that have already been in law for nearly half a century already.)
Where a dozy woman was looking at her phone and walked out on the road and the guy was using a not road legal bike.
I had a little sympathy for the cyclist. She should be paying attention when crossing the road.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41028321
Re: Wes Streeting displays absolutely no subtlety as he goes on manoeuvres – politicalbetting.com
Good article in the Times (free to read) by Paul Johnson about Britain’s plunging birth rate and the prospects of entering a time of population decline.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/332c9fd5-b1b7-4342-af00-740091cb4883?shareToken=910d42c2408c223a7d3a2d020b156dd2
He makes the point that we as a species are very bad at anticipating reversals of trends. I’ve thought for a while that this would make for a very good book: a series of examples of trends that everyone thought would continue forever stopping and going into reverse. Inflation. Gold prices. Crime rates. World peace. TV watching. London population (twice). One of those I am looking out for in the coming decades is obesity.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/332c9fd5-b1b7-4342-af00-740091cb4883?shareToken=910d42c2408c223a7d3a2d020b156dd2
He makes the point that we as a species are very bad at anticipating reversals of trends. I’ve thought for a while that this would make for a very good book: a series of examples of trends that everyone thought would continue forever stopping and going into reverse. Inflation. Gold prices. Crime rates. World peace. TV watching. London population (twice). One of those I am looking out for in the coming decades is obesity.
MelonB
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Re: Wes Streeting displays absolutely no subtlety as he goes on manoeuvres – politicalbetting.com
Your methodology is good HYUFD, but I don't think tactical voting is going to be as big this time. Reform have scooped up lots of voters including some SNP, but more from Slab and Scon. As we get closer to polling, these guys won't be backing out. you're right, it's definitely white working class areas where the Labour vote is under severe pressure. The only reason the SNP look like retaining scores of constituency seats is due to the splintering of the unionist vote.Morning DocG.Morning HYUFD,I suspect Labour will actually get about 20%, win London overall still and do better than expected in Scotland where Holyrood polls suggest Labour gains from the SNP as in the Hamilton by election. That will stop a bad night for Starmer becoming a catastrophe and may save his jobLabour won a NEV of 35% in 2022, and will probably win about 10-15% in May. Reform won nothing in 2022, and will probably win 25-30% next year. The Greens would surge, but the traditional outperformance in local elections by the Lib Dem’s will take a lot of votes that would otherwise go to them. The Conservatives will probably win 20-25%, compared to 30% in 2022.I think it depends on how desperate Labour becomes, which itself depends on how catastrophic the local elections are. If Labour has a true mare - for example losing control of London Boroughs which they currently run with large majorities - then switching to Streeting might be on the cards. The one caveat is if the big winner in the cities happens to be the Greens, Labour members might conclude that being more radical and passionate and tacking left is what's required.There's a lot of engineering him into position I think, and Starmer is clearly on board - not sure how else someone openly campaigning for the top job is still in the Cabinet. He is the annointed successor - and always was.Doubt he is anointed. There was number 10 briefing against him about a month ago.
For that reason, I don't think he makes it.
IMO wouldn't be surprised if Starmer sacks him, says he needs to bring someone in to end the strikes.
What that likely means is Labour being hit on multiple fronts.
Boroughs like Barnsley, Wakefield, Sunderland, Halton, Sandwell, Thurrock will go Reform.
Islington, Hackney, Camden, Lambeth, Birmingham, Southwark, Brent, South Tyneside, will be lost to NOC at least (Your Party will also be challenging in some).
The Tories will lose a string of counties and new unitaries to Reform, but pick up Westminster, Barnet, Wandsworth,
And of course, the results in Wales and Scotland will be horrid.
Otherwise agree with Reform and the Greens likely the main winners next year plus Plaid in Wales and the LDs treading water as the Tories and Labour collapse
I'm not so bullish over Labour in Scotland, they aren't polling as well as pre Hamilton, recent by elections in working class areas were poor for them. Right now they are losing voters to Reform and only slightly more competitive in white collar areas, and they are up against a party with only 1 MSP and effectively no Scottish leader.
Sarwar needs a very clear message and to take the fight on all flanks, to Reform, SNP and the wider electorate. It's easier said than done. He is going hard on the NHS, but needs to attack the SNPs record more. I don't share the view that Labour are heading for multiple gains over the SNP, they have both dropped, but Slabs vote has been squeezed more. Mr Starmer could find himself in big trouble once the votes are all counted up here. It all could change though
Since the 2021 Holyrood elections the SNP constituency vote is still down about 10 to 15% and the SLab vote only down about 5%. So you would still expect Labour to gain constituency MSPs from the SNP, more with unionist tactical voting. The SNP vote is actually down more than the Labour vote in Scotland since 2021.
Don’t forget the SNP have also been losing votes to Reform, especially white working class Scots who voted SNP in 2021 and maybe Labour in 2024. Sarwar does though need to attack the SNP hard I agree to get unionist tactical votes in Holyrood constituencies the SNP won in 2021 but where Labour were second
Labour should be worried about the list vote as most of their MSPs are elected there. The guy in Edinburgh Southern should be ok, maybe Jackie Baillie, East Lothian is a possible gain too. There's going to be a squeeze on the list vote in urban Scotland from Reform on the right and the Greens on the left, in rural areas there is a chance for the Lib Dems to come back - can they get their message out?
Elsewhere there could be some gains for other parties in rural Scotland. For the time being, I generally agree with the ballotbox Scotland analysis here
https://ballotbox.scot/ipsos-december-2025/
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Re: Wes Streeting displays absolutely no subtlety as he goes on manoeuvres – politicalbetting.com
And yet they've gone from the 3rd party of British politics to being the 5th...Lib Dems have won more local byelections than any other party this year.Mark Pack is a good scout and he has been dutifully recording the LD's ups and downs since the GE. It's been generally a pattern of modest progress, and I would expect that to continue through the May contests.You may see some LD gains from the Tories, Labour and SNP but offset by some LD losses to the Greens and Reform and PlaidWith both Tories and Labour down, I'd be surprised and disappointed if the LDs just tread water. National opinion polls during the 2022 local campaign period had Labour on around 40%, the Tories on around 34%, with the LDs at 10%. The political situation now is hugely better for the LDs in relation to both the major parties, notwithstanding Reform's huge surge from just 5% back then.I suspect Labour will actually get about 20%, win London overall still and do better than expected in Scotland where Holyrood polls suggest Labour gains from the SNP as in the Hamilton by election. That will stop a bad night for Starmer becoming a catastrophe and may save his jobLabour won a NEV of 35% in 2022, and will probably win about 10-15% in May. Reform won nothing in 2022, and will probably win 25-30% next year. The Greens would surge, but the traditional outperformance in local elections by the Lib Dem’s will take a lot of votes that would otherwise go to them. The Conservatives will probably win 20-25%, compared to 30% in 2022.I think it depends on how desperate Labour becomes, which itself depends on how catastrophic the local elections are. If Labour has a true mare - for example losing control of London Boroughs which they currently run with large majorities - then switching to Streeting might be on the cards. The one caveat is if the big winner in the cities happens to be the Greens, Labour members might conclude that being more radical and passionate and tacking left is what's required.There's a lot of engineering him into position I think, and Starmer is clearly on board - not sure how else someone openly campaigning for the top job is still in the Cabinet. He is the annointed successor - and always was.Doubt he is anointed. There was number 10 briefing against him about a month ago.
For that reason, I don't think he makes it.
IMO wouldn't be surprised if Starmer sacks him, says he needs to bring someone in to end the strikes.
What that likely means is Labour being hit on multiple fronts.
Boroughs like Barnsley, Wakefield, Sunderland, Halton, Sandwell, Thurrock will go Reform.
Islington, Hackney, Camden, Lambeth, Birmingham, Southwark, Brent, South Tyneside, will be lost to NOC at least (Your Party will also be challenging in some).
The Tories will lose a string of counties and new unitaries to Reform, but pick up Westminster, Barnet, Wandsworth,
And of course, the results in Wales and Scotland will be horrid.
Otherwise agree with Reform and the Greens likely the main winners next year plus Plaid in Wales and the LDs treading water as the Tories and Labour collapse
https://bsky.app/profile/libdems.org.uk/post/3madyvp3qys2r
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Christ even SNP buggate was more interesting than this office furniture chat
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