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Are we seriously back talking about what “A” customs union, rather than “THE” customs union, looks like in practice?

Ask the Turks what “A” CU looks like, it’s terribly one-sided.

Good morning, everyone.

Mr. Sandpit, easier (and less honest) to try and get us closer and closer to the EU then say "We may as well join seeing as we're already bound by their decisions but currently have no say" than it is to actually make a case for rejoining.

Softly softly catchee monkey

Mr. W, bullshitting the electorate (see also a refusal to hold the promised referendum on Lisbon) is a good way to antagonise them again.

There's a case to be made for joining the EU, a case that's much easier thanks to America going crazy. Tying us into obeying EU diktats without a say then using that to try and force us back in is dishonest and dishonourable. Even worse, it's dumb.

The electorate has showed itself previously and currently willing to vote for a Faragian political vehicle if the political 'mainstream' decides to go full steam ahead with pro-EU stuff against the wishes of the electorate. I do not want an imbecile who's soft on Russia to end up in Number 10 because the left decide to throw away our decision-making power to a political body the voters chose to leave.

As I said yesterday, Wes needs something popular with Labour members that doesn’t involve him backing the left. There aren’t many candidates

His problem is that it won't be a coronation and his rival(s) are likely to take the same approch to slow Rejoin.

No, Wes's problem is that his party might take the view that now is the time for a woman to lead Labour.

His advantage is that many Labour backbenchers, worried about retaining seats they unexpectedly won in the 2024 landslide, might be wary of Ed Miliband who has already lost a general election. It is even likely that Miliband himself realises this and is aiming instead at Number 11. I gather some PB shrewdies have taken 33/1 against such a contingency.

That too.

I don't think the members want Streeting.

Are we seriously back talking about what “A” customs union, rather than “THE” customs union, looks like in practice?

Ask the Turks what “A” CU looks like, it’s terribly one-sided.

Good morning, everyone.

Mr. Sandpit, easier (and less honest) to try and get us closer and closer to the EU then say "We may as well join seeing as we're already bound by their decisions but currently have no say" than it is to actually make a case for rejoining.

That approach has consistently failed to win over public opinion in Norway, however. But Norway was never foolish enough to volunteer for a damaging separation, and we would have been less foolish to have copied the Norwegian approach from the beginning.

Certainly. But then wankers like Ed Davey and Keir Starmer refused to map anything like that through Parliament when May would have agreed to it and now they are desperately trying to magic up what they could have had if they hadnt been prats.

Are we seriously back talking about what “A” customs union, rather than “THE” customs union, looks like in practice?

Ask the Turks what “A” CU looks like, it’s terribly one-sided.

Good morning, everyone.

Mr. Sandpit, easier (and less honest) to try and get us closer and closer to the EU then say "We may as well join seeing as we're already bound by their decisions but currently have no say" than it is to actually make a case for rejoining.

That approach has consistently failed to win over public opinion in Norway, however. But Norway was never foolish enough to volunteer for a damaging separation, and we would have been less foolish to have copied the Norwegian approach from the beginning.

Certainly. But then wankers like Ed Davey and Keir Starmer refused to map anything like that through Parliament when May would have agreed to it and now they are desperately trying to magic up what they could have had if they hadnt been prats.

What makes you think May would have agreed it, since it clearly breached her red lines?

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-governments-negotiating-objectives-for-exiting-the-eu-pm-speech

If she was prepared to agree to a Norwegian approach why the feck didn't she herself propose it? She was after all the Prime Minister.

As I said yesterday, Wes needs something popular with Labour members that doesn’t involve him backing the left. There aren’t many candidates

His problem is that it won't be a coronation and his rival(s) are likely to take the same approch to slow Rejoin.

No, Wes's problem is that his party might take the view that now is the time for a woman to lead Labour.

His advantage is that many Labour backbenchers, worried about retaining seats they unexpectedly won in the 2024 landslide, might be wary of Ed Miliband who has already lost a general election. It is even likely that Miliband himself realises this and is aiming instead at Number 11. I gather some PB shrewdies have taken 33/1 against such a contingency.

Are we seriously back talking about what “A” customs union, rather than “THE” customs union, looks like in practice?

Ask the Turks what “A” CU looks like, it’s terribly one-sided.

Good morning, everyone.

Mr. Sandpit, easier (and less honest) to try and get us closer and closer to the EU then say "We may as well join seeing as we're already bound by their decisions but currently have no say" than it is to actually make a case for rejoining.

Oh, and all of the post-Brexit trade agreements, including with the US and the CP-TPP, will need to be torn up in order to rejoin anything EU-based.

I do rather enjoy the way Remainers studiously ignore the politics of the EU since we left.

Currently we are missing the fight on Mercosur, the perennial budget dispute and the death of the AI industry. Not forgetting of course the reverse gear on car emissions.

You're just making the case why they need us back.