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Re: Voters back restricting trial by jury (but not for themselves) – politicalbetting.com
@Cyclefree had it right yesterday.But abolishing trial by jury and inflicting compulsory ID scratches Starmer's authoritarian itch.
Just scrap the spend on digital ID and put it into the Justice Dept.
Re: Voters back restricting trial by jury (but not for themselves) – politicalbetting.com
I love the way the right wing on here talk about "Lefty Friends". It's just the most transparently bollocks thing ever.Why? I’m “right wing” and have friends who are left wing from committed socialist to Blairite. I have friends on the right from Cameroonian Tory to Reform curious. What sort of insular twit goes through life winnowing out friends who have different political ideologies?
I don’t choose my friends on politics, there are multiple reasons I do, character, fun, history, shared interests.
boulay
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Re: Voters back restricting trial by jury (but not for themselves) – politicalbetting.com
FPT:
I think they have now missed the opportunity to be a reforming Government, at least without a second term.
I'm still on she has I think taxed a lot of the wrong tings, and missed other important things out ... too much of it is half-baked and tactical.The market likes it because she has created 22 billion headroom by taxing everything and anythingSky news reporting not good for ReevesNewsnight good for Reeves and more important the market likes it (according toi Newsnight)
67 billion rises in taxes in 18 months
So if you want optimism change channels!
She has chosen high taxes and high spending especially on benefits when she should have reduced spending and taxes
Anyway let's see where it all settles in public opinion
I think they have now missed the opportunity to be a reforming Government, at least without a second term.
MattW
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Re: Voters back restricting trial by jury (but not for themselves) – politicalbetting.com
That is dependent on your belief that the State is neutral.Yes, and it seems to work perfectly well. The conviction (hah!) that you have to have a prosecution and a defence pitted against each other in order to determine guilt isn't the axiom that many seem to think it is. It's also possible, and in my view preferable, to determine guilt by carefully considering the facts of the case from a neutral standpoint, as is the case in many other countries.I would hope not. There must be a huge number of crimes that I could not prove I did not commit.I'd understood that the continental legal system requires people to prove their innocence, rather than innocence being the initial presumption.I'm conflicted about the abolition of jury trials for medium level cases. I've no problem with most of the bizarre decisions .... the Colston statue, for example, although I did scratch my head over that of the Duchess of Edinburgh's outrider. It's always seemed to me that juries had, or should have, local knowledge which should lead them to a sensible confusion. In that connection I recall reading (I'm not THAT old) of the pre-WWII case of the Welsh Nationalists who set fire to a RAF base in Gwynedd, and the trial was moved to London because a local jury had disagreed, and the judge, and the State, very definitely wanted a conviction.That's quite funny, CR, but it's a serious question and I should think there must have been some research done in this area, and also on the optimum size for a jury, but I'm too lazy to look it up.Lots more people being found guilty I reckon. Sentencing of course is going to remain the same orbit - so prisons will become more full of edge cases where a jury wouldn't convict but a judge would.Unless it's an immigration case, where that may be reversed.
From my now much overworked sample of four I can say that in two of the cases the judge would have found differently. In one of them, the guy was obviously guilty but the judge didn't blame the jury for getting it wrong. He blamed the prosecution for presenting the case so poorly. (It was the poor sod's first case and he got in a right mess.) In the other I think everyone present was surprised when we returned a guilty verdict. I remain convinced to this day that we got it right.
Jury trial dates back to ancient times; yes, but do we, in the 21st century get more 'accurate' results than, say, the Scandinavians, the French or the Germans? Who, as far as I know, rely on judges and assessors. (I'm prepared to be corrected on this.)
Do continental criminal lawyers get quite as combative as ours seem to, and are witnesses treated better or worse? Has anyone actually done any dispassionate work on this? Or are we simply seeing a knee-jerk response to what I hope is a short-term problem?
Most European systems have a non confrontational approach to trials (there is a proper name for that, that I can't remember). Anglosphere countries like the confrontational method.
It isn't.
Re: Voters back restricting trial by jury (but not for themselves) – politicalbetting.com
Alistair Heath has taken it well:Oh dear, where is nurse?
"Her new [property] tax – a toxic mix of two hated levies, council tax and IHT – is equivalent to detonating a time bomb under Middle England."
"Socialism is back, and the property-owning democracy is out. Labour has declared war on social mobility, on petit bourgeois values, on the consumer society and on conservative Britain."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/26/britain-now-socialist-country-what-reeves-budget-means/
People in £2mn houses are not 'middle England'. Perhaps he needs to widen his circle of acquaintances. I mean, I am minted and even I don't live in a £2mn house.
Re: The end of the Keir show – politicalbetting.com
"I don't regard Putin as a bad guy."The phrase "useful idiot" could have been coined for Steve Witkoff, if only his boss hadn't already scooped the prize in that respect.
- U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff..
https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/1992949478538826196
Fishing
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Re: Voters back restricting trial by jury (but not for themselves) – politicalbetting.com
Then we will face the consequences of the big problems dealing with the country and not in the gradualist way we might have. As I said yesterday, I fear the risk of this has increased with this faux budget.The country doesn’t want anyone to deal with the big problemsFreedman's conclusion:Yep, that's what @Sandpit and I were saying.
Barring unexpected scandals or disasters Starmer and Reeves should now be safe until the May local elections, giving themselves time to shore up support. But the cost of choosing this [less bold] option is that, once again, the truly difficult decisions have been put off for later and little has been done to deal with the big problems facing the country.
DavidL
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Re: Voters back restricting trial by jury (but not for themselves) – politicalbetting.com
Freedman's conclusion:
Barring unexpected scandals or disasters Starmer and Reeves should now be safe until the May local elections, giving themselves time to shore up support. But the cost of choosing this [less bold] option is that, once again, the truly difficult decisions have been put off for later and little has been done to deal with the big problems facing the country.
Barring unexpected scandals or disasters Starmer and Reeves should now be safe until the May local elections, giving themselves time to shore up support. But the cost of choosing this [less bold] option is that, once again, the truly difficult decisions have been put off for later and little has been done to deal with the big problems facing the country.
IanB2
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Re: Voters back restricting trial by jury (but not for themselves) – politicalbetting.com
@Cyclefree had it right yesterday.
Just scrap the spend on digital ID and put it into the Justice Dept.
Just scrap the spend on digital ID and put it into the Justice Dept.
Nigelb
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Re: A 28% return in just over a month? – politicalbetting.com
Kemi is the DM spokesperson. Flailing around and seeing the worst in everything while being nasty with it. Nigel is more Telegraph. A bit quieter but ultimately owned by foreign interestsIn news that will surprise no one the daily mail is not keen on the budgetMy shares are up, and the pound seems to have recovered some of its recent losses. Why is the Mail not overjoyed?
I'm not sure that's what a Labour budget is supposed to do but I'd have thought that's the kind of thing Mail readers would approve of.
How many copies does it sell now?

