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Re: The most selfish generation? – politicalbetting.com
Gove takes a lot of flack on here, not least from @ydoethur, but the progress up the PISA scores shows most of what he did was right and has worked. In contrast, in Scotland, the tumbling down the rankings since the fiasco that is Curriculum for Excellence, shows things have gone seriously wrong.Gove, like so many of us pontificating on education, was just remembering his own schooldays. He liked history and was no good at sport so was happily selling off playing fields. What I will say for Michael Gove is that he did support a liberal arts education as a good thing in itself.That is a fair point to an extent, but I don't think he was directly accusing all the teachers of being activists, rather he took umbrage with the way the narrative of history was being set out by those who wrote the curriculum. Bridget Phillipson has muttered about the same from the other end of the telescope, haven't followed if she has pulled the trigger on it.Michael Gove did try to rewrite the history syllabus out of those concerns.That's not quite the same claim. Their criticism was the "blob" stopped innovation and reform and teacher didn't want to change the way they did things. Farage is claiming something different, something very US centric about the Marxists and the trans teachers are indoctrinating the kids. That is straight Libs of TikTok type stuff.Gove (or Cummings/Gove) and the blob ring any bells?The Farage claims of all the teachers are indoctorinating our kids and are activists again seems very MAGA and "Online" where the likes of "Libs of TikTok" social media accounts bang on constantly about it.It was the sort of thing the Tories used to go on about in the 1970s IIRC. Always been there bobbing around in the stream of discourse, albeiot sometimes mostly submerged.
I don't have kids, but I don't get that the "reds under the beds" scare is something that is part of the UK political discussion around education. Rather behaviour, slipping standards, kids effected by COVID lockdown still not ready to learn are the things that my friends who do have kids bang on about.
It seems with Gove, the I know history better and what is being taught is missing a load of important stuff I like.
DavidL
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Re: The most selfish generation? – politicalbetting.com
EXCPowell was also, of course, in charge of the Chagos Deal, a deal so mysterioiusly bad for Britain, and beneficial to China, no one can explain it...
Jonathan Powell suppressed a major Whitehall investigation into Chinese spying after lobbying from the Treasury.
Powell decided in June that the Government would not publish details about Beijing’s espionage from the Foreign Office’s “China audit”.
https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/1976373757423083572
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/09/treasury-suppressed-investigation-chinese-spying-scandal/
Leon
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Re: The most selfish generation? – politicalbetting.com
Some great lines on the BBC commentary.Fkn hell, twilight robbery at Hampden.I watched the first half and then turned over for Taskmaster and live updates on the BBC website. Wrong choice.
For once the football boot is on the other foot and it fits.
'Scotland's World Cup dream remains alive after 70 minutes of the most abject football you'll ever see.'
'One of the most spectacular acts of pickpocketry you could see.'
'Greece will be absolutely spewing.'
Re: The most selfish generation? – politicalbetting.com
EXC
Jonathan Powell suppressed a major Whitehall investigation into Chinese spying after lobbying from the Treasury.
Powell decided in June that the Government would not publish details about Beijing’s espionage from the Foreign Office’s “China audit”.
https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/1976373757423083572
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/09/treasury-suppressed-investigation-chinese-spying-scandal/
This whole story smells worse than a Jackson Lamb fart after a big curry.
Jonathan Powell suppressed a major Whitehall investigation into Chinese spying after lobbying from the Treasury.
Powell decided in June that the Government would not publish details about Beijing’s espionage from the Foreign Office’s “China audit”.
https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/1976373757423083572
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/09/treasury-suppressed-investigation-chinese-spying-scandal/
This whole story smells worse than a Jackson Lamb fart after a big curry.
Re: The most selfish generation? – politicalbetting.com
The Farage claims of all the teachers are indoctorinating our kids and are activists again seems very MAGA and "Online" where the likes of "Libs of TikTok" social media accounts bang on constantly about it.I am all in favour of teachers indoctrinating children. FIrst, they could indoctrinate them in the use of the apostrophe, then on the benefits and dangers of compound interest.
I don't have kids, but I don't get that the "reds under the beds" scare is something that is part of the UK political discussion around education. Rather behaviour, slipping standards, kids effected by COVID lockdown still not ready to learn are the things that my friends who do have kids bang on about.
The fact that they have not been able to do so to date shows how useless teachers would be at indoctrinating children about anything.
Re: The most selfish generation? – politicalbetting.com
I am starting to wonder if Farage keeps going down the MAGA rabbit hole if that is how he blows up Reforms poll numbers, rather than general talk of anti-immigration, lack of full suite of properly costed policies or talented PPCs and a record of piss poor councillors.A lot of people live online. They get their view of the world from algorithmic feeds. The only things they know are what the feeds tell them. When you tell them they're wrong they get huffy and stop believing you. They're American in their heads.
Loads of the MAGA talking points just don't work in the UK.
Nikita Khrushchev once said to Nixon: “If people believe there’s an imaginary river out there, you don’t tell them there’s no river there. You build an imaginary bridge over the imaginary river.” Farage is building invisible bridges over imaginary rivers and the people love him for it.
The only way we are ever going to get "normal politics" back is to ban algorithmic feeds and go back to subscription feeds. The inability of people to grasp this genuinely worries me. The country is going insane.
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Re: The most selfish generation? – politicalbetting.com
Trump is at least trying to end wars, and the Nobel Peace Prize is often given for effort. The most recent absurd award was giving it to Obama for not being George Bush.In the Nobel Peace Prize betting, Sky has Trump odds-on but you can get 3/1 against from Ladbrokes and Corals and 9/1 on Betfair.I really don't care, TBH.
This means there is probably serious value for anyone with a clue about the other contenders, which rules me out.
The Kissinger precedent renders it perfectly possible, while no less absurd.
Re: The most selfish generation? – politicalbetting.com
Three quarters of pensioners own their own home.
The same can not be said about working people.
Working people's wages should go to themselves first, before it goes to anyone else.
Working people should not be worse off than those who are not working.
The same can not be said about working people.
Working people's wages should go to themselves first, before it goes to anyone else.
Working people should not be worse off than those who are not working.
Re: The most selfish generation? – politicalbetting.com
The Farage claims of all the teachers are indoctorinating our kids and are activists again seems very US and "Online" where the likes of "Libs of TikTok" social media accounts bang on constantly about it.A teacher writes:
Have these people actually met any real children?
If teachers could indoctrinate kids, there are many things higher up my list than lefty wokeism.
Starting with bringing a calculator to physics lessons.
Re: Starmer is the most trustworthy GB wide politician – politicalbetting.com
Negotiating trade deals.Which competences (if that’s a word you can use for recent governments) would require that many staff?It is worth remembering that a number of competences were repatriated from Brussels, and which require civil servants.Google tells me that the number of UK civil servants has increased since 2016 by 132,000 and that the median salary is £34k.This is pennies BigG. No spending cuts plan is credible without some sort of control on pensioner benefits and health spending. They are are growing so quickly - from a very high base - that any other cut or even steady economic growth is completely overwhelmed by them. Literally by design in the case of the triple lock.It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creatorsNo Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cutConference season ends and I believe the unexpected happenedRabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?
Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'
She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep
And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage
Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both
The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser
I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance
Pound shop Liz Truss.
She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees
Add in banning doctor strikes
This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
Labour haven't set out a plan either but let's not pretend the Conservative plan is fiscally prudent. DavidL's take on this is correct.
That would imply a saving of £4.5bn under the Tory plan.
Not commenting on whether it is feasible or not but it’s not “pennies”
Also all of the functions previously done by or shared with, the EU and its agencies, from customs, trademarks, statistics, food safety, Erasmus, aviation control, ESMA, Euratom (now only an associated state, not a member), medicines, maritime safety, Europol, and about 3 dozen other fields .
We saved a lot of money by being an EU member. If you were serious about improving the UK economy, you would be talking about far more alignment or even Brejoin.
Cicero
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