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Re: Kemi quits of her own volition ? – politicalbetting.com
Luke Tryl
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Good speech from Kemi - not because everything in it popular or risk free, but because (arguably for the first time since July 24) it tries to provide an answer to the fundamental question ‘What is the point of the Tories in a world where battle feels like Reform vs Labour?’
@LukeTryl
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Good speech from Kemi - not because everything in it popular or risk free, but because (arguably for the first time since July 24) it tries to provide an answer to the fundamental question ‘What is the point of the Tories in a world where battle feels like Reform vs Labour?’
Re: Kemi quits of her own volition ? – politicalbetting.com
Stephen Bush @ the FT yesterday:
The UK in 2025 has a mounting tax burden that takes a growing share of GDP not because we have a particularly large state but because our healthcare system is essentially all state funded and we have an ageing population.
There is a viable centre-right solution to this, which is to introduce some form of mandatory health insurance, to fund social care through putting more of the cost and the risk on to individual households, and to scrap the triple lock pension and replace it with some kind of earnings link. The reason why this is politically difficult for the Tory party is that the party has so few working age voters that this would represent a declaration of war on the party’s own base.
There’s a viable centre-left solution to this, which is to increase basic rate tax and VAT, and have some kind of property tax to pay for social care. (There is also a non-viable centre-left solution, which we are living through now, which is to force businesses to take a bath and slow growth.)
The UK in 2025 has a mounting tax burden that takes a growing share of GDP not because we have a particularly large state but because our healthcare system is essentially all state funded and we have an ageing population.
There is a viable centre-right solution to this, which is to introduce some form of mandatory health insurance, to fund social care through putting more of the cost and the risk on to individual households, and to scrap the triple lock pension and replace it with some kind of earnings link. The reason why this is politically difficult for the Tory party is that the party has so few working age voters that this would represent a declaration of war on the party’s own base.
There’s a viable centre-left solution to this, which is to increase basic rate tax and VAT, and have some kind of property tax to pay for social care. (There is also a non-viable centre-left solution, which we are living through now, which is to force businesses to take a bath and slow growth.)
Re: Kemi quits of her own volition ? – politicalbetting.com
This conference has shown that axing Kemi is unlikely to make the blindest bit of difference. The Tories are in a doom spiral of their own making, rabbiting Reform talking points to empty rooms and carrying on as if the scales will fall from everyone’s eyes any day now and they’ll be welcomed back with open arms.
It doesn’t work that way. People aren’t listening.
Kemi clearly doesn’t have the strategic vision they need, but then, who does? Jenrick just wants to ape Reform, how will that help if people still associate the Tories with a disastrous previous government? Do Cleverly, Stride, Hunt etc really have the political skills to both repudiate governments they were senior members of but also sell a vision for the future? And rising “stars” like Katie Lam haven’t been MPs for 5 minutes, do they really have the raw leadership skills to make a difference?
The party is in a sorry state and I’m not quite sure who can save it, other than Nigel Farage exiting the political scene and potentially freeing up some voters on the right, to shift back.
If they can survive the next GE then they might just manage to get a hearing with a fresh(er) face and a bold strategy. Whether they get that chance, very hard to say.
It doesn’t work that way. People aren’t listening.
Kemi clearly doesn’t have the strategic vision they need, but then, who does? Jenrick just wants to ape Reform, how will that help if people still associate the Tories with a disastrous previous government? Do Cleverly, Stride, Hunt etc really have the political skills to both repudiate governments they were senior members of but also sell a vision for the future? And rising “stars” like Katie Lam haven’t been MPs for 5 minutes, do they really have the raw leadership skills to make a difference?
The party is in a sorry state and I’m not quite sure who can save it, other than Nigel Farage exiting the political scene and potentially freeing up some voters on the right, to shift back.
If they can survive the next GE then they might just manage to get a hearing with a fresh(er) face and a bold strategy. Whether they get that chance, very hard to say.
Re: Kemi quits of her own volition ? – politicalbetting.com
I do feel rather sorry for Badenoch.She backed Brexit, she backed Boris, she backed the expulsion of Tory MPs, she fucked around and now she's now finding out.
It's not her fault that her party is dying. No one can resuscitate a corpse.
Re: Kemi quits of her own volition ? – politicalbetting.com
As a child growing up in Hackney I regularly came across water otters. It was only much later I learned that most people called them kettles.I met one on land while on a beach in an Alaskan fjord.Now I am jealous!!!That may be so, but yesterday I went out sea kayaking and I was surrounded by otters, lying back on the kelp like pashas in furs, cracking crabs on their belliesI am staring at the full moon over Monterey bay. Luminous across the waters, laying silver cobblesMonterey Jack is one of the blandest cheeses known to man.
I can hear the sea lions barking
What a place
Magical
I've only seen sea otters from a distance.
Re: Kemi quits of her own volition ? – politicalbetting.com
Heartening to see the renewed interest in pinnipeds and other aquatic mammals on here today.
DougSeal
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Re: The Tories are now in fifth place (with younger voters) – politicalbetting.com
Brexit has failed, indeed it is the primary reason that our nation is so divided and run down.Which is why we left.Well, 27 countries have agreed to precisely that. That's the deal, not some anaemic non Union which doesn't exist and which it appears no one else supports.Of course these things are political. But that doesn’t mean you need a “ever closer union” monetary union, freedom of movement, etc etcThe problem is... you can't and you never could. Making economic decisions is political by definition. Heath knew that at the time and said so clearly. Those looking for apolitical economics are wishing for the Moon.May be we could have a common trading area without all the politics stuff? Wouldn’t that be grand.Yes, so a tariff war damages us from both sides.We do, however, buy more of their steel than they do ours.Tariffs damage both our country and the EU.Farage, the gift that keeps on giving.The theory that tariffs affect the country imposing them rather than the country they are imposed upon seems to have gone missing on Remainer PB this evening.
EU steel tariff hike threatens 'biggest ever crisis' for UK industry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy875px79po
The EU has announced plans to hike tariffs on imported steel in a move the UK's steel industry has said could be "perhaps the biggest crisis" it has ever faced.
The commission has set out plans to cut the amount of steel that can be imported into the bloc by half - beyond which the new 50% tariffs will apply.
The EU is the UK's most important export destination for steel, worth nearly £3bn and representing 78% of steel products made in the UK for overseas markets.
The commission has come under pressure from some member states and their steel industries, which have been struggling to compete with cheap imports from countries like China and Turkey.
The EU is proposing to reduce tariff-free quotas for imports to 18.3 million tonnes a year – a 47% reduction from 2024 levels...
Perhaps it was never quite that simple in the first place.
80% of our steel exports go there, or used to.
But Brexit put us in this bad place.
Being out has tariff advantages too: not paying 25% tariffs on Chinese EVs like our EU cousins, for example.
I wonder what, if anything, we will tariff in response to these steel tariffs.
Putting up trade barriers to our largest and closest market was supreme folly.
Indeed if we were still in the EU we may have been able to stop a tariff war with other producers too.
And why it’s so dull the jabs from people like @Foxy - they just state a true fact (a free trade area is better) without talking about the costs (the political baggage) and think it’s some kind of killer point.
So we have the man most responsible for that debacle in pole position for PM in 2029.
We never learn.
Foxy
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Re: The Tories are now in fifth place (with younger voters) – politicalbetting.com
Jenrick spouts damaging, self-serving, legally illiterate crap pretty much every time he opens his mouth. I could write a header listing all the things he gets wrong about pretty much everything but (a) I can't be arsed and (b) @viewcode would faint in horror at its length.
He is, in the words of my husband (mild-mannered, polite to a fault) an utter twat. (I have removed the adjectives as libel lawyers already earn too much.)
If he is the Tory party's best hope, we may as well order the sandwiches for the funeral tea now. The Tories have been irrelevant for some time now. They could try the hard work of resetting themselves. There is a route back for them but no adults willing to take them on that journey. So they are stuck. But if they go down the Jenrick route they will crumble to dust and deserve to do so.
He is, in the words of my husband (mild-mannered, polite to a fault) an utter twat. (I have removed the adjectives as libel lawyers already earn too much.)
If he is the Tory party's best hope, we may as well order the sandwiches for the funeral tea now. The Tories have been irrelevant for some time now. They could try the hard work of resetting themselves. There is a route back for them but no adults willing to take them on that journey. So they are stuck. But if they go down the Jenrick route they will crumble to dust and deserve to do so.
Re: The Tories are now in fifth place (with younger voters) – politicalbetting.com
They will share a common grave, unmourned.What, Brexit or the Conservative Party?Nah. Doesn't work.Brexit has destroyed the Conservative Party, so its not all bad...We're not baited by it though, we just laugh or cringe.You meanie,Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaosI'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinkingYes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the newsI think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
Foxy
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Re: The Tories are now in fifth place (with younger voters) – politicalbetting.com
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaosI'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinkingYes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the newsI think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
DougSeal
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