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Re: Tactical voting may not be Farage’s friend – politicalbetting.com
Bit desperate.The full gag is better:
"Burnham would be Labour’s Liz Truss, say Starmer allies"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/25/andy-burnham-labour-liz-truss-starmer-allies/
“A Blairite, a Brownite, a Milibandite, a Corbynite and a Trussite walk into a pub. 'Hello, Mr Burnham,' says the barman.”
Re: Tactical voting may not be Farage’s friend – politicalbetting.com
Times and the I reporting mandatory digital ID cards to be announced(Kneels down, clasps hands)
Hello God, it's me, Viewcode. I don't like Reform and I don't want them to win. But Labour keep doing things that I don't want them to do and in fact should be physically stopped from doing. Can you please send somebody who is half-assed decent with a chance of winning? Because this is getting me down. Amen, Viewcode.
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Re: Tactical voting may not be Farage’s friend – politicalbetting.com
Clever: I like the way you used the words "Drang nach Osten" rather than -say- Liebensraum or Nazi.Meanwhile, in the Irish Presidential election campaign...An interesting comment. I have been increasingly wary that EU/German approach to Europe's eastern borderlands (aka the Ukraine) in the last 15 years has echoes of the Drang nach Osten of previous German administrations.
In UK terms, Catherine Connolly seems to have Corbynite views. If the vote was FPTP, she would have a good chance of winning Eire's fortcoming presidential election, but as it is AV, I suspect that either the FF or FG candidate will win.
But I can't help feel that the country which has been following that policy in the Ukraine - you know invade, treat the locals like shit - is actually Russia.
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Re: Tactical voting may not be Farage’s friend – politicalbetting.com
Tactical voting could be a real headache for Farage. And he won't even be able to take any paracetamol to make it go away.
Re: Tactical voting may not be Farage’s friend – politicalbetting.com
Today faccio il turista with a trip to Venice for a fish lunch by a canal. It’s been a very nice day for it, with sunshine and clear air but not too hot. Venice was crowded, as ever, but not overwhelmed as I have sometimes seen it.


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Re: Tactical voting may not be Farage’s friend – politicalbetting.com
4) Dig a shorter east-west tunnel, with branches off, says Gilligan. But actually tunnelling itself is not THAT expensive. What is expensive is undgerground grade separated junctions. And Gilligan appears to be proposing at least five.It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.Unusually, this is a subject I'm actually reasonably well-informed on (and I've read the Gilligan report). I think the below is a fair view - obviously I want the best outcome for GM and the North, so it is biased by that, but not, I hope, by anything else.
So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/
Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.
So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
1) The Gilligan reiterates the old chestnut about journey times. NPR isn't primarily about journey times: it's about frequency and reliability. And a holistic network. Yes, you can get in 31 minutes from Lime Street to Victoria - but not desperately reliably, and at the expense of suburban services on the line.
2) The report says there are already two lines from Liverpool to Manchester (three if you include Headbolt Lane - which you can, but seems a stretch, because you'd need to reinstate a short bit of track for that to count). But that's normal between adjacent big cities - I think there are five routes between Glasgow and Edinburgh.
3) Prioritise local services, says Gilligan. But then suggests filling up the existing network with city to city links, which can only be done at the expense of local services.
4) But actually, better local services are what we all want. And that's the point of new high speed alignments: we provide new capacity, run the high speed services on that, and you can therefore run far more local services on the old network. A moment's thought will demonstrate this: with a mix of fast and slow trains, you need to leave a massive gap after the slow train leaves before you set the fast train off. If all your trains are of the same speed, you can run 15tph along a route, assuming sufficient capacity at stations. If it's a mix of fast and slow, it might be half that or less. NPR allows much better suburban services to run. This is the outcome Gilligan claims to want.
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5) You CAN'T get 30tph on a two-track underground railway. You just can't. The Castlefield corridor is creaking at 13-14. Thameslink gets no more than 18.
6) Yes, the Airport station is a short distance from the Airport - this is normal, Airports are large - but you don't need a bus link, there are already powers for extending the tram. (cf the Piccadilly line at Heathrow). This is a better outcome for those travelling from further afield eg Liverpool, Leeds, N. Wales than changing at Piccadilly.
6) All that said, actually, the SE-W tunnel Gilligan proposes, along with the regular radial routes out of Manchester, would be welcome. Indeed, rumour has it Network Rail are considering a similar (albeit smaller scale) thing as a potential solution to the Central Manchester rail bottleneck. But the thing to note is that this wouldn't be a cheap solution: all the good stuff which Gilligan lists as 'do instead' is likely to add up to far more than NPR. Less tunnelling, sure - but underground junctions, electrification, grade separated junctions, four-tracking and work on operational railways will be far more complex and expensive than a new alignment. That's why the 'use the Chat Moss' option kept getting filtered out when NPR has considered it in the past.
Gilligan clearly knows a bit. But it is amazing what he either doesn't know or pretends not to know.
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Re: Tactical voting may not be Farage’s friend – politicalbetting.com
It would be a fair criticism of me that I get a lot of my opinions from The Spectator, because it's really the one bit of the media I read the most. And I think the first thing I read about a topic, if it reads convincingly, usually becomes my opinion till something else comes along.Unusually, this is a subject I'm actually reasonably well-informed on (and I've read the Gilligan report). I think the below is a fair view - obviously I want the best outcome for GM and the North, so it is biased by that, but not, I hope, by anything else.
So I am now officially against Northern Powerhouse Rail. I was all for it, till I read this fairly damning account of it, which is basically that it's not going to do anything for the North, because it's basically more of the HS2 project, just gussied up by Obsborne to look like his own genius levelling up scheme.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/its-time-to-admit-that-high-speed-rail-is-a-dead-end/
Osborne did that a lot. The OBR for example was meant to be a great way to ensure Tory style fiscal rectitude, but it wasn't - it was actually a quango designed to ready us for monetary union. Northern Powerhouse Rail sounds brilliant, but it turns out:Called Northern Powerhouse Rail, this section alone will cost a claimed £17 billion (in reality, perhaps £30 billion). It will be a high-speed railway on which trains can never reach high speeds, because the stations are too close together. It will leave Manchester via a vastly expensive new eight-mile tunnel in the wrong direction – roughly south, only then turning west towards Liverpool, hence the longer journey time. The official reason for doing it like this is to serve Manchester Airport. But the ‘airport’ station would be almost a mile away from the airport. You’d have to transfer by bus.
So until another, better take comes along, I'm adopting Gilligan's view that NPR is shite and we should do a Queen Elizabeth line for Northern England instead. We're out of the EU now, we can do what the populace actually needs, not continue with their ludicrous grand projets and have to pretend they're working for people.
1) The Gilligan reiterates the old chestnut about journey times. NPR isn't primarily about journey times: it's about frequency and reliability. And a holistic network. Yes, you can get in 31 minutes from Lime Street to Victoria - but not desperately reliably, and at the expense of suburban services on the line.
2) The report says there are already two lines from Liverpool to Manchester (three if you include Headbolt Lane - which you can, but seems a stretch, because you'd need to reinstate a short bit of track for that to count). But that's normal between adjacent big cities - I think there are five routes between Glasgow and Edinburgh.
3) Prioritise local services, says Gilligan. But then suggests filling up the existing network with city to city links, which can only be done at the expense of local services.
4) But actually, better local services are what we all want. And that's the point of new high speed alignments: we provide new capacity, run the high speed services on that, and you can therefore run far more local services on the old network. A moment's thought will demonstrate this: with a mix of fast and slow trains, you need to leave a massive gap after the slow train leaves before you set the fast train off. If all your trains are of the same speed, you can run 15tph along a route, assuming sufficient capacity at stations. If it's a mix of fast and slow, it might be half that or less. NPR allows much better suburban services to run. This is the outcome Gilligan claims to want.
...(cont)...
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Re: I have just one question to these MPs urging Burnham to challenge Starmer – politicalbetting.com
Apparently Starmer has given several interviews to broadcasters which have been embargoed till 6pm .Perhaps sending out the Army Reserves to tackle lawlessness in the streets of Manchester.
I fear another re-set !
Re: I have just one question to these MPs urging Burnham to challenge Starmer – politicalbetting.com
This is terrible and autocratic and evil etc etc etc but also very funnyThought it was puerile myself though wholly typical. Will the US every be taken seriously again? Something about it has died.
“Trump hangs autopen photo instead of Biden portrait in new presidential gallery”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/25/trump-hangs-autopen-photo-instead-of-biden-portrait-in-new-presidential-gallery
Re: The public are clear about how to deal with Russian aggression – politicalbetting.com
Ch 4 News worth watching if you want to see the toilet these racist thugs are taking this country into. We are moving into uncharted watersI am delighted by the tone taken by Davey at the LibDem conference. We have to call this shit out. Stand together. Now. Against the forces of darkness. Trump and Putin and Farage - a totalitarian axis of hate.



