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Re: A Halloween Nightmare – politicalbetting.com
The problem is that the law is a mess. The law may be clear, but the application is not.There was never any need to check the biological sex of people using loos and rest rooms before and there won't be now unless you assume that trans people are the sort of people who will break the law . And if they are then it is absolutely right that they should be treated like other law breakers. No man passes and no one can surgically transition to the opposite sex because changing sex is impossible. It is at best cosmetic surgery though it may make that person content. In any event, the vast majority of trans people do not have surgery of any kind and many do nothing at all - just utter magic words and expect to have access to other people's spaces. See the nurse "Rose" in Darlington, a man trying to get his girlfriend pregnant who has done nothing at all to himself.
Trans-women and Trans-men exist, and in significant numbers. Accessing health care for surgical transition has become much more difficult, with the Cass report effectively closing down care as the waiting lists are many years long. Even fully "passing" post surgical Trans-folk would be restricted to use facilities of their biological sex. So these people are either forced back into the closet, housebound, or can not use public facitities. Its a very punitive approach.
Then there's the problem of enforcement. Who can check the biological sex of everyone in the workplace, restaurant or public convenience? Who is responsible for the offence caused when users are incorrectly challenged. It is facile to deny that these are real problems. In practice this law is going to be openly flouted, and a law that is widely ignored, particularly in avante garde or hipster parts of the country.
I was thinking the other night about @BlancheLivermore bad hospital experience when ill. There were several aspects to this, but one was the lack of privacy. We are unusual as a developed country to expect 6 or so people to share the same ward bay. In most similar countries hospitals have single rooms with ensuite. Similarly communal changing areas without cubicles are the norm in all the hospitals that I have worked in. This does not match modern cultural mores. Newly constructed facilities should be built differently, but we have a vast legacy estate that cannot simply be altered. Privacy includes much more than sex and gender aspects.
No-one is forced to be housebound because the obvious answer is to provide unisex facilities. Take some of the men's loos and make them unisex - problem solved. Or make the men's facilities unisex. There. This claim that it is impossible to provide unisex facilities is just nonsense. Organisations were quick to turn female facilities into unisex ones so they can just unscrew the sign on the door and replace it with the correct one.
As for employees - employers need to make clear what is expected and that anyone breaching the rules will be disciplined. They have in any case been under an obligation to prevent sexual harassment of their staff since October 2024 and permitting voyeurism and indecent exposure (both criminal offences) would be caught by this duty.
This is not a case of it's too difficult / we can't do it. Ot is not too difficult and it can be done. It is, frankly, a case we don't want to and we don't care if women are harmed as a result. This is unacceptable.
Example: Stevenage Council has recently opened unisex changing facilities at a new sports centre. There have been complaints of voyeurism etc and the police have warned the council of the risk. And the response? We don't care and there have only been 4 reported crimes. Oh well, that's all right then. Councillors should be asked how many crimes are acceptable and which of their female relatives should be subject to such crimes.
A Halloween Nightmare – politicalbetting.com
A Halloween Nightmare – politicalbetting.com
Halloween. And another government F*** You to women. They come fast these days but this is the best yet: not just 2 fingers to women but a positively Trumpian approach to compliance with the law, namely, use every excuse and deceitful dodge to ignore a law you don’t like. Or are too cowardly to enforce.
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Re: A Halloween Nightmare – politicalbetting.com
In relation to various other matters Starmer has been characterised as a stickler for the law and for process. He waits for the process/courts to come to a judgement and then implements it, in contrast to politicians with a more developed set of political antennae who would anticipate and act early, in order to avoid political damage.
This case does seem like quite a contrast with this behaviour. The Supreme Court has spoken. Action should follow, to implement the law, or to amend it if so desired.
This case does seem like quite a contrast with this behaviour. The Supreme Court has spoken. Action should follow, to implement the law, or to amend it if so desired.
Re: A Halloween Nightmare – politicalbetting.com
First class commentary on women’s right from @Cyclefree
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Re: A Halloween Nightmare – politicalbetting.com
The points I make apply equally to gays and lesbians, particularly the latter, because the SC judgment clarified - to the extent this ever needed clarifying - that sexual orientation is based on sex not certificates. It said clearly in paragraph 206 that the concept of sexual orientation towards members of a particular sex would be rendered meaningless otherwise.
Anyway here are my answers to the Frequently Argued (and often stupid) Points raised when this topic is discussed.
1. It is cis men who are a threat to women. Not TW.
They are one and the same: both members of the male sex.
2. No TW has ever assaulted a woman in a toilet.
Untrue. Lots of examples - here and in other countries. See Katie Dolatowski, for instance.
3. TW are not a threat to women.
Judging by the latest evidence from the MoJ a far greater proportion of TW prisoners are sexual offenders than male prisoners or female ones.
4. The SC judgment bans trans people from loos, changing rooms, sport etc.
No it doesn't. No-one is banned. They are simply asked to use the facilities for their sex or unisex ones. In sport they are required to compete in their sex category to ensure that female sport is fair.
5. Trans people have been using women's loos for ages.
This is the equivalent of saying that people have been committing murder or shoplifting for ages. It doesn't make it lawful.
6. No-one's complained.
Yeah right - a woman is going to complain to a man who is physically stronger than he and who has breached her boundaries. No - she won't. She will get the hell out of there because she knows how to risk assess even if the authorities have abandoned this concept.
7. Trans people are being denied rights.
No they aren't. They have exactly the same rights as everyone else. The right to be in a space, service or association for the opposite sex is not a human right of any kind. Demands are not rights.
8. Not everywhere has a unisex space.
Indeed not. Perhaps the last decade might have been better used to campaign for such spaces.
9. Men might not like having TW in with them.
They should learn to be inclusive and kind.
10. Men might attack TW.
Yes - male violence against violence against TW is a problem. It is not one which women are obliged to solve.
11. Everyone has a gender neutral toilet at home. What's your problem?
Good-oh: make your address public, opening hours, parking restrictions, cleaning regime etc., so anyone in the vicinity can use it.
12. Having men in women's sport is no different to having an exceptional sportsman or woman.
Someone does not understand the difference between categories separated on the basis of a relevant characteristic (age / sex / weight, for instance) and an exceptional member within that category.
Anyway here are my answers to the Frequently Argued (and often stupid) Points raised when this topic is discussed.
1. It is cis men who are a threat to women. Not TW.
They are one and the same: both members of the male sex.
2. No TW has ever assaulted a woman in a toilet.
Untrue. Lots of examples - here and in other countries. See Katie Dolatowski, for instance.
3. TW are not a threat to women.
Judging by the latest evidence from the MoJ a far greater proportion of TW prisoners are sexual offenders than male prisoners or female ones.
4. The SC judgment bans trans people from loos, changing rooms, sport etc.
No it doesn't. No-one is banned. They are simply asked to use the facilities for their sex or unisex ones. In sport they are required to compete in their sex category to ensure that female sport is fair.
5. Trans people have been using women's loos for ages.
This is the equivalent of saying that people have been committing murder or shoplifting for ages. It doesn't make it lawful.
6. No-one's complained.
Yeah right - a woman is going to complain to a man who is physically stronger than he and who has breached her boundaries. No - she won't. She will get the hell out of there because she knows how to risk assess even if the authorities have abandoned this concept.
7. Trans people are being denied rights.
No they aren't. They have exactly the same rights as everyone else. The right to be in a space, service or association for the opposite sex is not a human right of any kind. Demands are not rights.
8. Not everywhere has a unisex space.
Indeed not. Perhaps the last decade might have been better used to campaign for such spaces.
9. Men might not like having TW in with them.
They should learn to be inclusive and kind.
10. Men might attack TW.
Yes - male violence against violence against TW is a problem. It is not one which women are obliged to solve.
11. Everyone has a gender neutral toilet at home. What's your problem?
Good-oh: make your address public, opening hours, parking restrictions, cleaning regime etc., so anyone in the vicinity can use it.
12. Having men in women's sport is no different to having an exceptional sportsman or woman.
Someone does not understand the difference between categories separated on the basis of a relevant characteristic (age / sex / weight, for instance) and an exceptional member within that category.
Cyclefree
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Re: It’s a bold strategy, let’s see if it pays off for Farage – politicalbetting.com
Question (with apologies if this has already been discussed)It would require an Act of Parliament that would then have to pass through every single Commonwealth Realm. It could be hijacked by republican movements or amended to, say, remove Harry from the succession as well - and then get stuck in horse-trading for years.
Why is Starmer refusing to instigate the removal of Andrew Windsor from the Succession? Does anyone really think it would be a bad idea? In purely political terms this seems like a clear win for Starmer and he would almost certainly even have the support of the King. But he apparently is resisting doing it. I find that surprising.
I can understand why the government don't want to open that particular can of worms for what is a purely theoretical problem.
Re: It’s a bold strategy, let’s see if it pays off for Farage – politicalbetting.com
If you're calling your kids numbers, you just need to watch out they aren't irrational.It's overflow you have to watch out for.Why would it need to be signed? Are you going to have less than zero kids?We debated having a fixed length, but felt that would either be wasteful or -worse- we'd run out of address space and need to start over. There was also the question about whether we should use signed, or unsigned.variable bit length. That is confusingI like the entirely non-binary nature of simply naming your kids by birth order.Should we turn that benchmark upside down?Is that the benchmark - not quite the strangest name we could call our child?There are stranger things to call a child than Eleven surely?Happy Halloween everyone.Pause
Had a great time Trick or Treating with our little Eleven and Enid.
Lovely community spirit, everyone out and about was well dressed and mannered.
Now observing our traditional annual way of saying goodbye to Halloween and welcoming Christmas by watching Nightmare Before Christmas.
You have a child called "Eleven"?
We personally went binary. And obviously, taking our queue from indices, started at zero.
So, they're zero, one, one-zero, one-one, one-zero-zero and one-zero-one.
For the record, it isn't confusing at all.
And my wife wanted to add a parity bit, so that we'd be able to catch people out who got our kids names wrong.
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Re: It’s a bold strategy, let’s see if it pays off for Farage – politicalbetting.com
Question (with apologies if this has already been discussed)Apparently the King is resisting it because it would require all the Commonwealth realms to follow suit.
Why is Starmer refusing to instigate the removal of Andrew Windsor from the Succession? Does anyone really think it would be a bad idea? In purely political terms this seems like a clear win for Starmer and he would almost certainly even have the support of the King. But he apparently is resisting doing it. I find that surprising.
There's a fear some of the realms would use the legislation to become republics.
The King is also worried about parliament in the future choosing who should succeed to the monarchy.
Starmer doesn't want to get into a row with the King, and both are working on the assumption that the eighth in line will never be King.
Re: It’s a bold strategy, let’s see if it pays off for Farage – politicalbetting.com
There are stranger things to call a child than Eleven surely?Happy Halloween everyone.Pause
Had a great time Trick or Treating with our little Eleven and Enid.
Lovely community spirit, everyone out and about was well dressed and mannered.
Now observing our traditional annual way of saying goodbye to Halloween and welcoming Christmas by watching Nightmare Before Christmas.
You have a child called "Eleven"?
Re: It’s a bold strategy, let’s see if it pays off for Farage – politicalbetting.com
"Seven of Nine" was quite catchy, so why not?Happy Halloween everyone.Pause
Had a great time Trick or Treating with our little Eleven and Enid.
Lovely community spirit, everyone out and about was well dressed and mannered.
Now observing our traditional annual way of saying goodbye to Halloween and welcoming Christmas by watching Nightmare Before Christmas.
You have a child called "Eleven"?
ohnotnow
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