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Re: Tory members do not want Badenoch to lead the party at the next election – politicalbetting.com
The higher-ups at the police clearly want Farage as next PM.Police say they have dismantled an international gang suspected of smuggling up to 40,000 stolen mobile phones from the UK to China in the last year.Meanwhile, British Transport Police have announced open season for criminals to steal bikes and cars parked at stations:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20vlpwrzwdo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8jm3wxvlkjo
They can seemingly always spare officers to knock on doors half a dozen at a time because someone was offended by a Facebook post, yet have no time to investigate acquisitive crimes against people and businesses. Bike theft and phone theft are horrible events for the victims.
I regularly review CCTV at work. It would take about five minutes to find when a bike was stolen on a 10-hour digital tape, if I knew at what time it had been parked and had a description of the owner and/or the bike.
Sandpit
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Re: Sir John Curtice thinks the Tories are new Lib Dems – politicalbetting.com
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Re: Sir John Curtice thinks the Tories are new Lib Dems – politicalbetting.com
Remember yesterday’s Crimean oil depot that was on fire? Well it’s still very much on fire. 🔥Clearly nobody thought outside the box when undertaking the risk-assessment for the SMO.
https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1975518739303985258
Meanwhile, it looks like the deal for Tomahawks from the US might be done. These can hit the Shahed drone factory and the Kerch Bridge, as well as a load more O&G sites currently out of range of existing weapons. 💣
https://x.com/kiraincongress/status/1975505313647223261
If somebody had told Putin a mass of the country's industrial base would being flattened, with his hydrocarbons sector ablaze north to south - somebody would have been out a window.
It has always been the obvious way to beat Russia back to its previous borders. Ukraine has had to wait though until the massive Soviet weapon stockpile was obliterated. The West has been quite canny in going to war with Russia without going to war with Russia. The same effect in three years of a low-level conflict rather than 72 hours of all-out war - with the real risk of it turning hot. But my God, have the Ukrainians paid a price.
Re: Sir John Curtice thinks the Tories are new Lib Dems – politicalbetting.com
Morning all 
To be fair to the Conservatives (and I do try to be on occasion), the second Conference in opposition is always harder than the first and especially if the first was part of a leadership contest which itself generates excitement among delegates.
The reality of a potentially extended period of opposition has probably hit home and Sir John Curtice's comments won't have helped. The truth is the Conservatives still have a formidable councillor base with over 4,000 representatives across the country and while that may be reduced further next year, the 2027 round, in particular, offers some opportunities for recovery if they can be taken.
Curtice is also right to suggest the Conservatives stop "banging on" (Cameron's words, not mine or Sir John's) about immigration. Unfortunately, there are some nasty authoritarian ideas coming through this morning which would be anathema to Conservatives of another time and as we saw last evening, Badenoch's brash assertions about large scale deportations quickly unravel when the detail is probed (as would Farage's).
The economy offers some more fertile ground though Stride's initial nonsense shows the paucity of thinking on the Conservative side - quite apart from a gross misunderstanding of the impact of mental health (which to be fair the Coalition did a lot of good work on a lifetime ago), the numbers looked dubious in extremis and any credibility around radical economic thinking was shattered by the decision to retain the Triple Lock without explaining how it can and would be funded.
To be fair to the Conservatives (and I do try to be on occasion), the second Conference in opposition is always harder than the first and especially if the first was part of a leadership contest which itself generates excitement among delegates.
The reality of a potentially extended period of opposition has probably hit home and Sir John Curtice's comments won't have helped. The truth is the Conservatives still have a formidable councillor base with over 4,000 representatives across the country and while that may be reduced further next year, the 2027 round, in particular, offers some opportunities for recovery if they can be taken.
Curtice is also right to suggest the Conservatives stop "banging on" (Cameron's words, not mine or Sir John's) about immigration. Unfortunately, there are some nasty authoritarian ideas coming through this morning which would be anathema to Conservatives of another time and as we saw last evening, Badenoch's brash assertions about large scale deportations quickly unravel when the detail is probed (as would Farage's).
The economy offers some more fertile ground though Stride's initial nonsense shows the paucity of thinking on the Conservative side - quite apart from a gross misunderstanding of the impact of mental health (which to be fair the Coalition did a lot of good work on a lifetime ago), the numbers looked dubious in extremis and any credibility around radical economic thinking was shattered by the decision to retain the Triple Lock without explaining how it can and would be funded.
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Re: Sir John Curtice thinks the Tories are new Lib Dems – politicalbetting.com
What was Brown's plan?What was Brown's plan?When was the last coherent credible plan for the country?The LibDems don't appear to have a coherent concept of Government, rather than an assembly of miscellaneous ideas - they seem subconsciously to accept the idea that they're a supporting party rather than an alternative government, and I think their mediocre national poll rating reflects that, though the focus on winnable seats pays off. Reform do appear to see themselves as a possible government, albeit a bonkers one. I'd like to feel that Labour does too, not least as we're actually in Government (and I'm a CLP chair), but we seem locked into tactical planning, keeping the show on the road, not breaking explicit promises and occasionally making a gesture to one wing or another.While the Conservatives are suffering (largely self-inflicted woe) the Lib Dems should not be feeling smug.All hail the brilliance of Sir Ed Davey.He is endlessly sneered at by mainly Tories as he quietly goes about building a machine to win seats and build a base...
I thought the Tory conference would be bad, I had no idea it would be this bad. You cannot outflank refuk to the right and yet that is still the Badenoch play. The Big Policy Announcements ripping up the work of their own governments - Coutinho slagging off the policies of SofS Coutinho being the funniest of the lot.
And then the Thatcher worship. A fucking museum this year. Of a woman who would not be welcome in today's Tory party as despite her economic policies the aim was to lift working people - a very strong safety net to catch the people at the bottom, significant investment into regions, Britain at the heart of international order, free trade. All now heresy in todays ReformCosplay and ScrewtheUnion party.
We have two main parties, both very very unpopular. Cui bono? Not the Lib Dems. They've been eclipsed by the latest Farage vehicle, content to be the approved party of Waitrose shoppers in leafy suburbs, uncontaminated by the need to appeal to the Great Unwashed, unsullied by the vulgarity of popular support.
Which is a shame, because, for all their wrongness about many things, I think the Lib Dems would be far better/less bad for the country than Prime Minister Nigel Farage, which is what we may end up with after the next election.
Regardless of whether I supported them or not I can only recall:
Cameron/Osborne/LDs
Brown
Blair/Brown
Thatcher
Probably missing some in opposition as those were all elected but don't think many. Perhaps being harsh on Major but it did drift into cone hotlines and random scandals.
I remember sitting in the car with the now Mrs-J on the way back from work when Brown took over from Blair, and saying something like "Thank God all that nonsense is over within the government. Brown can now get what he wants done."
This was in relation to all the infighting the Brown's minions were doing against Blair. The only problem is that it became obvious, very rapidly, that Brown had no plan. He had spent years scheming and fighting for the top job, and once he had it, he was like Wile E. Coyote when he finally caught Roadrunner. He had no plan, let alone a credible plan.
And then the GFC happened...
1) Abolish boom and bust.
2) Spend as if there's no tomorrow, since busts have been abolished and will never happen again.
And then the GFC happened.
We went from a budget surplus to a budget deficit in 2002/03, five years before the GFC due to Brown's overspending. When the inevitable crash happened, the result was inevitable.
Some here still try to excuse it as Brown not overspending, "if only the GFC hadn't happened", that is hubristic imbecility. Busts happen. To pretend you can abolish them is hubris.
Sane governments prepare for the next inevitable recession. By pretending he'd abolished them, Brown screwed us royally with his overspending.
Re: Sir John Curtice thinks the Tories are new Lib Dems – politicalbetting.com
Only ever had flu twice - lost 36 hours to fever both times.I’m probably not going to bother with a Covid booster unless media reports say the current strain/strains is particularly brutal. It is like a mild flu then I will tolerate it. Biggest driver to make me have a Covid jab wagging would be if it was required to have it to go to places/travel etc.Good morning everybody!I'm booked in for flu and covid jabs tomorrow (history of leukeamia plus asthma gets me entitled). I am unsure about whether we need to keep vaccinating everyone for covid or not. Most who want it have had at least 4 or 5 shots. I don't know whether a boost its needed every year. We are NOT intending to vaccinate children such as my son, who is coming up to three in Jan, relying on natural infection.
About to go for my Covid vaccination, which the website tells I can't have, at a site which the website tells me doesn't exist, but when I spoke to the staff there yesterday they assured me there would be no problem. I'm over 75, (by 12 years!) and there's never been an issue in the past.
On topic, I wonder if this will encourage Chris Mason and the rest of the BBC's political team to take their heads out of Farage's bottom and give some attention to the various LibDem spokespeople. I'd like to think so but will wait and see.
And there are lots of people who are desperate to have covid shots because they have been terrorised over the last few years.
Not sure where the evidence on this is, right now.
Flu I will have as had flu for first time in my life last Christmas and it was brutal - worse than my worst Covid, also completely destroyed Christmas for me.
Annoys me when people upgrade a heavy cold to flu. There's no confusing the two.
Re: Sir John Curtice thinks the Tories are new Lib Dems – politicalbetting.com
"Digital ID cards pave way for £600m tax grabThat sounds like another disaster just over the Horizon.
HMRC hopes to use online identification to secure unpaid revenue and prevent ‘errors’"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/digital-id-cards-pave-way-for-600m-tax-grab
ydoethur
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Re: Sir John Curtice thinks the Tories are new Lib Dems – politicalbetting.com
There’s a pretty disturbing report in today’s Times, about medical staff who post anti-Semitic drivel on social media, without any form of disciplinary sanction. So, Dr. Ramah Aladwen described Royal Free Hospital as a “Jewish supremacy cesspit”, and a picture of the Chief Rabbi with the caption, “Rabbi genocide”, and went before a tribunal which ruled that her words would not “alarm or concern” the public.I am alarmed and concerned.
How could any Jewish patient expect a professional service from this doctor?
I’m quite sure I would be sanctioned by Solicitors Regulation Authority, if I did similarly.
LostPassword
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Re: Sir John Curtice thinks the Tories are new Lib Dems – politicalbetting.com
There’s a pretty disturbing report in today’s Times, about medical staff who post anti-Semitic drivel on social media, without any form of disciplinary sanction. So, Dr. Ramah Aladwen described Royal Free Hospital as a “Jewish supremacy cesspit”, and a picture of the Chief Rabbi with the caption, “Rabbi genocide”, and went before a tribunal which ruled that her words would not “alarm or concern” the public.
How could any Jewish patient expect a professional service from this doctor?
I’m quite sure I would be sanctioned by Solicitors Regulation Authority, if I did similarly.
How could any Jewish patient expect a professional service from this doctor?
I’m quite sure I would be sanctioned by Solicitors Regulation Authority, if I did similarly.
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Re: Sir John Curtice thinks the Tories are new Lib Dems – politicalbetting.com
Lord Hermer has accused the Tories of jeopardising a potential legal appeal over the thwarted prosecution of a member of the rap group Kneecap on terrorism charges.FWIW the legal situation as of right now is that a decision has been made by the presiding magistrate (who is the chief magistrate for England and Wales) that the proceedings are null and void and that the charge itself was unlawful. In other words, the decision was that there were and are no valid proceedings.
The Attorney General has written to the Opposition, accusing them of inaccurate comments and warning them of the “potential impact of their words on legal proceedings” over the dropping of the case against Kneecap rapper Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh.
In a letter to Robert Jenrick, the shadow home secretary, Lord Hermer disclosed that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) is considering an appeal and said: “I am sure you will carefully consider any further public comments to avoid any risk of prejudicing any future proceedings.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/07/lord-hermer-accuses-tories-putting-kneecap-appeal-at-risk/
In that context it is hard to see how comment by the media or politicians can be prejudicial. There are in law no valid proceedings to be prejudicial about.
The fact there could be an appeal is irrelevant. We were and are all free to comment on Letby after the verdicts, even though there was to be, and may yet be further, appeals.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Rex-v-Liam-Og-O-hAnnaidh-Liam-OHanna-1.pdf

