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Re: Reforming the economy – politicalbetting.com
WRT Reform, I commented a few days ago that almost everyone I befriended through the Conservative Party had joined them,
A big issue, over and above policy details, is that people like to be in at the start of something, rather than in at the end of it. If you join Reform, you're joining a party that's winning new seats, every week. If you've been an experienced activist, in another party, you'll be fast-tracked to fight council seats, Senedd seats, and on to the candidates' list.
As one put it to me, there's a buzz and excitement, that he hasn't known since he was a YC, in the late eighties. Not least, the fact that lots of young people are involved, which has not been true of the Conservatives for a long time.
If you join the Conservatives, you're joining an organisation that has a great future behind it.
It's like being a centre-left person, interested in a political career, in c.1925. Labour are the more attractive option than the Liberals.
A big issue, over and above policy details, is that people like to be in at the start of something, rather than in at the end of it. If you join Reform, you're joining a party that's winning new seats, every week. If you've been an experienced activist, in another party, you'll be fast-tracked to fight council seats, Senedd seats, and on to the candidates' list.
As one put it to me, there's a buzz and excitement, that he hasn't known since he was a YC, in the late eighties. Not least, the fact that lots of young people are involved, which has not been true of the Conservatives for a long time.
If you join the Conservatives, you're joining an organisation that has a great future behind it.
It's like being a centre-left person, interested in a political career, in c.1925. Labour are the more attractive option than the Liberals.
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Re: Reforming the economy – politicalbetting.com
What need to be is Poland.A couple of comments from the article and the comments:Those arguing that we're Argentina and need a Millei are just idiots wishing catastrophe on the country.
1) It is not at all clear to me that the economy is broken. As a GDP we remain 6th in the world. There are imbalances and problems but we remain as a country OK. GDP per capita is comparable with France and Germany. We are talking ourselves down. There are political and redistributist solutions to many of the messes.
The starting point for serious discussion should not be: 'We are a broken third world disaster zone'. We aren't.
2) I don't support Reform, on competence grounds and on then grounds of the company they keep. And some other reasons. But it is delusional to think that they plan to enter 2029 with a Trussplus manifesto. We have to wait and see but a certainty is that they will produce a centrist, socially conservative, gimmick filled, as costed as any other party, social democrat, high tax, high spend programme, reflecting very precisely the socially conservative welfarist opinions of the people of Clacton.
We need to think as if we are a growing, successful eastern European economy: That means when we spend we don’t try and pretend we’re the most powerful country in the world that can afford the best of everything. No, we buy the optimal £/outcome option & accept that it’s not cutting edge, nor will it be perfect in terms of environmental or other concerns: getting a good enough outcome quickly is more important than a more perfect outcome that arrives late& expensive.
That means spending much, much less on endless legal niceties (see HS2, the proposed Thames Crossing, Nuclear plants). It means spending much less on local customisation (see every MoD project ever, HS2, Nuclear plants, etc etc). It means buying cheap & working over buying expensive & might work sometime in the future.
We need a bunch of warships for the Navy? We buy them off-the-peg from South Korea or Japan. We need a new large nuclear plant? We buy a few of the ones South Korea is turning out at the rate of one every two or three years, with no customisations or changes. etc etc etc. We need a Thames Crossing? We do it, or we don’t, without faffing about for fifteen years racking up enormous legal bills. We need to electrify the rail network? We set an annual budget & just get on with it at a steady pace, instead of endless stop-start Treasury angst which just ends up delaying the project & tripling the cost. And so on & on & on.
The problem is that doing all of this cuts into the income & raison d’être of a whole swathe of special interests, both inside & outside government. All of whom have got very used to justifying their absolute necessity to every project this country ever undertakes.
There’s a weird double-think in this country that budgets are limited, but simultaneously we must only have the best. New projects end up enormously expensive, squeezing budgets for the maintenance of existing infrastructure & often ending up with the new project itself being cheese pared back in order to fit within what is financially viable.
Phil
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Re: Reforming the economy – politicalbetting.com
Doubling down on carbon capture...Utter waste of money.
One thing that can be cut right there.
Re: Reforming the economy – politicalbetting.com
Denmark has high taxes, but enterprise flourishes and growth is good.There's a natural space here for the Conservatives to grab the mantle of fiscal responsibility from Reform and Labour, as Matthew Parris wrote over the weekend. However, Kemi seems more interested in picking (and losing) peripheral fights on free speech and culture.There's little point in being fiscally responsible if they aren't going to reform the supply side of the economy. Remorselessly imposing higher and higher taxes to fund ever higher spending is fiscally responsible and politically easy, but it strangles enterprise and destroys economic growth in the medium-long term.
If they don't, then the Liberal Democrats in theory could move into this space - but that'd require them to drop much of the social democrat bit, and given the party is built on beards and sandals that might be a stretch.
Low taxes, low spending and light regulation on the other hand generates it. THAT'S the gap in the political market at the moment, not yet another high tax, high spending, enterprise-crushing component of the uniparty.
Re: Reforming the economy – politicalbetting.com
Consider the British Museum lack of a catalogue.No, it’s not DOGE. DOGE just went in & cut programs left right & centre without thought or logic. Programs were cut just because they could be cut, not because they should be cut.DOGE without the drama. Will never happen, too many vested interests.What need to be is Poland.A couple of comments from the article and the comments:Those arguing that we're Argentina and need a Millei are just idiots wishing catastrophe on the country.
1) It is not at all clear to me that the economy is broken. As a GDP we remain 6th in the world. There are imbalances and problems but we remain as a country OK. GDP per capita is comparable with France and Germany. We are talking ourselves down. There are political and redistributist solutions to many of the messes.
The starting point for serious discussion should not be: 'We are a broken third world disaster zone'. We aren't.
2) I don't support Reform, on competence grounds and on then grounds of the company they keep. And some other reasons. But it is delusional to think that they plan to enter 2029 with a Trussplus manifesto. We have to wait and see but a certainty is that they will produce a centrist, socially conservative, gimmick filled, as costed as any other party, social democrat, high tax, high spend programme, reflecting very precisely the socially conservative welfarist opinions of the people of Clacton.
We need to think as if we are a growing, successful eastern European economy: That means when we spend we don’t try and pretend we’re the most powerful country in the world that can afford the best of everything. No, we buy the optimal £/outcome option & accept that it’s not cutting edge, nor will it be perfect in terms of environmental or other concerns: getting a good enough outcome quickly is more important than a more perfect outcome that arrives late& expensive.
That means spending much, much less on endless legal niceties (see HS2, the proposed Thames Crossing, Nuclear plants). It means spending much less on local customisation (see every MoD project ever, HS2, Nuclear plants, etc etc). It means buying cheap & working over buying expensive & might work sometime in the future.
We need a bunch of warships for the Navy? We buy them off-the-peg from South Korea or Japan. We need a new large nuclear plant? We buy a few of the ones South Korea is turning out at the rate of one every two or three years, with no customisations or changes. etc etc etc. We need a Thames Crossing? We do it, or we don’t, without faffing about for fifteen years racking up enormous legal bills. We need to electrify the rail network? We set an annual budget & just get on with it at a steady pace, instead of endless stop-start Treasury angst which just ends up delaying the project & tripling the cost. And so on & on & on.
The problem is that doing all of this cuts into the income & raison d’être of a whole swathe of special interests, both inside & outside government. All of whom have got very used to justifying their absolute necessity to every project this country ever undertakes.
There’s a weird double-think in this country that budgets are limited, but simultaneously we must only have the best. New projects end up enormously expensive, squeezing budgets for the maintenance of existing infrastructure & often ending up with the new project itself being cheese pared back in order to fit within what is financially viable.
We are a nation of lawyers, sub-contractors, gold platers and people who schedule meetings for the sake of meetings.
Most of the things the British state want to do are perfectly reasonable - the problem is not the programs, it is that every single time we do anything it seems to cost two to three times as much as it should because of the way we approach doing, well, everything. We can’t go on simultaneously acting as if we can afford to simultaneously delay & gold-plate every project whilst cutting other services to the bone so that we can afford to pay the inflated costs we impose on ourselves.
When that came up, I printed out that I had taken part, as a volunteer, in the cataloging of the basement contents of smaller museum.
When I suggested that instead of spend (probably) hundreds of millions on a project to catalogue the British Museum, that letting lose some people doing Masters and PhDs in the various areas, there was considerable derision, here.
“But it’s not a Proper Project”
Instead of a single, giant, perfect solution at a single point in time. A slower accretion of records. A relative is doing something like this with another domain - turning unread historical documents into a database, using an iPhone, OCR and some time.
Meanwhile the British museum hasn’t started working on a full catalogue.
Re: Reforming the economy – politicalbetting.com
The public now largely recognise that our economy is structurally broken. The question is what to do about it. LabCon governments - despite the rhetoric - get stuck with Treasury orthodoxy which dictates “solutions” which continue the structural issues. We need some outside the box thinking, and at the moment only Reform are doing that.
Set partisan positions aside - this is far too serious an issue to talk about narrow party positions. Unless a mainstream party sees the light and starts proposing something big - think Edwardian era reforms or the post war governments building the modern welfare state - then we are getting Reform UK as our next government.
Whether they have answers or not they are asking the right questions - and for many voters that will be enough…
Set partisan positions aside - this is far too serious an issue to talk about narrow party positions. Unless a mainstream party sees the light and starts proposing something big - think Edwardian era reforms or the post war governments building the modern welfare state - then we are getting Reform UK as our next government.
Whether they have answers or not they are asking the right questions - and for many voters that will be enough…
Re: Reforming the economy – politicalbetting.com
There's a natural space here for the Conservatives to grab the mantle of fiscal responsibility from Reform and Labour, as Matthew Parris wrote over the weekend. However, Kemi seems more interested in picking (and losing) peripheral fights on free speech and culture.After the last 14 years it’s really hard for a conservative to make a cogent case that we should trust them with the economy.
If they don't, then the Liberal Democrats in theory could move into this space - but that'd require them to drop much of the social democrat bit, and given the party is built on beards and sandals that might be a stretch.
Now I know that includes two huge events - covid and the Ukraine inflation but Tories hung 2007 on Gordon Brown/Labour for a decade, somewhat unfairly.
I think some blend of contrition, setting out what it means to be conservative and a plan to make things better are what is required.
And a lot of patience. The public isn’t listening yet.
Re: Reforming the economy – politicalbetting.com
It is housing costs that are crushing the economy, not taxes.
At least for anyone under 40 without inherited wealth.
And I can think of absolutely loads of places on the outskirts of London that have tonnes of space to build out or build up. We've already seen it in areas like Battersea that must have added many thousands of homes in recent years.
Build, build, and then build some more.
At least for anyone under 40 without inherited wealth.
And I can think of absolutely loads of places on the outskirts of London that have tonnes of space to build out or build up. We've already seen it in areas like Battersea that must have added many thousands of homes in recent years.
Build, build, and then build some more.
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Re: Reforming the economy – politicalbetting.com
Whatever you think of Trump and the GOP, the way that they've managed to change the party of Ronald Reagan from a party of robust, anti-Communist, hawks to one of weak, surrender monkeys, kowtowing to Putin's Imperial Russia, is an amazing transformation, and a corrective to those claiming that change is impossible.
Granted, it's been a terrible change, but still. Determined people, with an agenda, can create change if they know what they're doing. Where's the leader who can use such potential for change for good?
Granted, it's been a terrible change, but still. Determined people, with an agenda, can create change if they know what they're doing. Where's the leader who can use such potential for change for good?
Re: Reforming the economy – politicalbetting.com
The Farage Party would be a disaster, as they'd treat the government - and economy - as they want the world to be, not as it is. And when that becomes obvious, they'll say reality's wrong.






