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Some data to chew over:


2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump secured 57% of the White vote, while Kamala Harris received 42%

White Men: Trump garnered 60%

White Women: Trump received 53%

White Voters Without a College Degree: Trump 66%

White Voters With a College Degree: Trump obtained 45%


Trump won twice - and, I suspect, could easily win again if allowed - because he won the White vote, which is caucusing on racial grounds, as the Dems are seen as the party of everyone else

Why should Britain avoid this fate? Answers welcome

Because despite many people trying to argue the contrary, we don't have a large block of non white voters with a shared cultural experience of slavery which causes them to have different priorities to the white population. Our immigrant communities are from diverse backgrounds with different voting patterns. For example, Hindus and Cantonese are as much Tory inclined as the white population.

At least you essayed an answer, and for that, thanks

I suggest Britain's racial divide is easily as bad, because - while we do not have the anxious and terrible legacy of slavery on our own soil - we have imported a brand of militant Islam - which America has not

So I predict we will see Britons voting, increasingly, on polarised racial grounds, and Whites will also do this - for the first time

So what is this common White interest that Whites are going to coalesce around?

How about 'not living in somebody else's theocracy'?

How is that a Whites only interest?

Well going back to, er, Max (I think)'s point earlier, it's kind of a coalition of interests - white non-liberals, Indians, HKers, Africans.

I'm married to a Hong Konger and the idea that they would think they had anything in common with Indians and Africans is laughable.

Then you haven't asked her I guess? Indians, HKers and many Africans are all products of the Empire at some level. The cultural values of Indians and Hong Kongers in the UK are very aligned too, I mean I know three mixed marriages with that mix.

I don't think you understand the racial or cultural dynamics of the UK at all. Your comment here is proof. I mean that you couldn't put together that all three of the named people's have got the Empire in common is a pretty big miss.

Well firstly him and clearly you think you know what he thinks better than he does. Hong Kongers have a radically different view of British Imperial legacy than other ethnicities. I'd pay good money to watch you tell a group of Cantonese people that they're culturally aligned with Indians.

My experience of HKers - as well as other East Asians (Japanese, Singaporeans etc) - is that they would definitely align themselves with “White” as against a left wing progressive muslim black alliance

It really really really should not have come to this. I pray it won’t. But signs are ominous

In terms of fighting age males, the woke alliance have an advantage of about 3:1. Don't start a fight you can't win.

lol. You all have tiny penises. You are pathetic. You have dismal sperm counts. You can’t afford houses coz we’ve got them all. Our loonier lefty friends insist on immigrating hostile muslims - who will do your job for nothing - and you still vote for this. You are a pathetic generation and you deserve termination until you vote Reform. Get wise

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich

But we can run more than 100 metres.

This exposes the flaw in your argument. People just aren't interested in this stuff, at all. Young people are too woke, as you admit, and old people have too much skin in the game, whether by their property values or their reliance on the state (NHS, state pension).

There's a group of very angry - sometimes understandably - working age white men in rough areas who are liable to kick up some violence. The government should be working harder to improve their lot. But everyone else is reasonably satisfied and shudders at the thought of it.

https://x.com/gbnews/status/1931102213041979504

'It is keeping me awake at night, I'm losing sleep over it. It's giving me nightmares.'

A GB News audience member tells @PatrickChristys she’s fearful about Britain’s future — amid projections white Brits will be a minority in 40

That projection is a Matt Goodwin special, via his Visiting Professorship at the University of Buckingham at in a thing called the "Centre of Heterodox Social Science https://www.heterodoxcentre.com". It was fed to the Telegraph and similar news outlets.

Even the Telegraph call it a "claim".

He indulged in a strange simulation of future populations, with some peculiar assumptions. It's more a think tank type report than an academic report.

For example he excludes the census "White Other" category from his "White British" numbers *. That excludes eg, as far as I can see, Nigel Farage's children with his German wife, who are British citizens. I'd say Goodwin seems to have a strange thing about mixed marriages, even white-white mixed marriages, which should fit his race politics template.

If we have an academic social scientist here, I'd welcome an evaluation of Goodwin's report. (@Selebian ?)

This all leaves aside that it is absolutely basic that skin colour means nothing about anything in terms of how individual people act. The only ones interested in it are those who think they can benefit from driving wedges, and skin colour is a convenient thing to focus on, as it was 100 years ago.

* The "Appendix: UK Population Projections by selected characteristics, 2022–2122 " in his report, which can be found here:
https://www.heterodoxcentre.com/wp-content/uploads/3-CHSS-Goodwin.pdf

Now Clarkson has made another enormously successful and funny show about something entirely different - proving all along that he was The Talent - and Top Gear has quietly and sadly died

The inexorable rise of automotive YouTube killed TG (and his stupid Amazon shit) not Jexit.

Harry's Garage does reviews way better than TG ever did. Haggard Garage, etc. did the arsing about way better than TG ever did. Whatever your automotive niche fetish is, you can get a far more informed and in-depth version of it on YouTube. The remaining and dwindling audience for TG/GT was lightweight car enthusiasts who don't know what Instant Centre is and don't even own multiple piston ring compressors.

Disclaimer: never seen a full episode of TG or the stupid Amazon shit but I can still authoritatively disclaim upon them.

lol

Top Gear with Clarkson & Co was literally the biggest TV show in the world. Not biggest car show on TV, biggest TV show of any kind. Bought by dozens of countries, with multiple international spin offs, it generated tens of millions for the BBC every year

Why? Because it wasn’t a car show at all. It was a self satirising comedy about three middle aged men with hobbies and rivalries - and yet a friendship beneath it

That’s why all the spin offs tried to copy it to the last old geezer detail

Site notice.

There's far too much abuse on PB directed towards other posters recently, so I am going to nip this in the bud from now on.

No swearing at other PBers, including asterisked out words and no such comments as telling others to have a wank.

The spam trap will be updated shortly, so if you get banned automatically you have been warned.

PB is a place for robust discussions but not being abusive towards each other.

Genuine q - is swearing in general allowed? I like a good swear word now and again (obviously not at any of the good burghers but for expressive reasons)

Most swear words are allowed except the C word but the

1) The swearing must not be directed at other PBers

2) Use of the swear words should be rare.

As an inveterate cusser I find myself oddly in agreement with this

There is too much swearing, generally. In life, on screen, all around

I noticed this as I was watching Seth Rogan’s otherwise-brilliant comedy The Stage. Every tenth word - or so it feels - is either F or F-ing. That may be how some Hollywood insiders talk, but the overall effect is numbing, and coarsening. It also dilutes the impact of a good F bomb, well aimed

A ban on these words will force PBers to be more verbally inventive. Someone should tell Seth Rogan the same

Site notice.

There's far too much abuse on PB directed towards other posters recently, so I am going to nip this in the bud from now on.

No swearing at other PBers, including asterisked out words and no such comments as telling others to have a wank.

The spam trap will be updated shortly, so if you get banned automatically you have been warned.

PB is a place for robust discussions but not being abusive towards each other.

Genuine q - is swearing in general allowed? I like a good swear word now and again (obviously not at any of the good burghers but for expressive reasons)

Most swear words are allowed except the C word but the

1) The swearing must not be directed at other PBers

2) Use of the swear words should be rare.

Thank you.

For example, say when Nicola Sturgeon was arrested, you could use swear words to describe the situation but not when disagreeing with a fellow PBer.

It feels like you're now using my innocent question to further your misanthropy. Surely some mistake?

In short, don't swear/be abusive towards other PBers, that's what I am aiming for.

Hmm. You will have to define “be abusive”

I agree with a swear word ban, as I’ve said, but if we’re not allowed to call each other “a funny little freakaloid with a face like a mandrill’s arse” then the site will get very dull, very quickly

It will just be @foxy and the like trotting out centrist Dad opinions in the voice of Adrian Chiles, for the rest of cosmic time

So for the time being swear words directed towards each other is banned, so calling somebody a twat is a no no, so is telling them to have a wank.

However your suggestion would be fine.

It’s still a minefield and will cramp debate. But, you’re the mod

Over a decade ago when OGH first asked me to start running the site he told me he was really proud that PB wasn't like Guido where the commentators were really abusive towards each other and I want us to remain like OGH envisioned.

All I am asking for is the we don't swear at each other and specifically don't tell use terms like wanking.

It shouldn't be difficult.